It’s funny how nobody understands the importance of +1 and insta blink burst..
it’s literally the performance of +1ers/DPS that determines you win or lose and it takes a decent amount of map awareness and rotation skill to do so.
there’s so many thieves in the game, yet very few has the actual map awareness and rotation skill to make it in to at least a decent team.
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Its healing is an upgraded version of Shiro’s
Right, you know the heal on guardian which nobody uses?…
shiro’s heal is actually more constant and more reliable as a healing skill compare to that one.
it’s also pretty funny because revenant subforum as of now is the only place where people still calling warrior OP for idk what reason..
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Dear devs please nerf runes of vampirism……………
Yes, yes yes
make the leap able to leap over blink points, or else it will just be like physical skills, which has no use except rampage.
I don’t think it’s useful at all in any case, if it still does the same thing as combustive shot just different AoE.
You can simply walk to the side to completely avoid it, while as combustive shot, you don’t have a fast way to avoid it in any direction if you aim it good.
I would have something that gives smaller AoE, but more intensive burning stacking and damage stacking as opposite of combustive shot.
or even something like, on hit for intense burning and damage instead of pulsing.
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yes, yes, yes after nos face tanking 2 members of TCG on point for so long and push far point win every 1v1 against DD ele.
yes need more survivability.
lol the last sentence on the front page video brings so much hype, that’s why people like helseth lol
lol they need to remove weapon swap, buff the class properly and most important of all, reduce dash time on phase traversal
yet it’s vital for Revenant and no better solution has been provided.
better solution for what, weapon swap didn’t fix anything
oh yea, can’t wait for the elite baby
…thief mesmer combo were present before the core spec update…not sure where people get the not viable for 3 years thing from
Unviable for the large majority of players and teams who played over that time
What…no….if you mean like all the low tier player who have no idea what they doing..sure..
Meta had shifted to stealth burst meta before the spec patch..
it’s either thief mes or thief guard and engi and guard can play similar role, eles and shoutbow are going down in 1 second with stealth openner. and portal is like tacticaly strong
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i think the problem is mesmer here
you have to attackkkk
…thief mesmer combo were present before the core spec update…not sure where people get the not viable for 3 years thing from
Master of Manipulation is amazing, what you are talking about..
reflect upon blink is godly.
more mesmer nerf inc.
thief is actually easier fight compare to rest of the classes..it’s just like we are back to 2013..
2013 all over again, except now necro is viable..
FGS….nerf burninggggggg
reckless dodge..hydromancy..brawler’s recovery..dodge pistol 3 5..
or bring it back to before..
I think it would provide more viable plays.
I don’t think it will work…
low damage….low survival…low support..
That’s why people don’t go in fire for blinding ashes for the blind…
Oh wait..
1:00 a.m. Pacific Time?
this lol, have work sunday too :|
Cool edits son. Took you a while to figure it out.
Yea, i was trying to figure out if you are just outdated or just trying to trash talk..
well, i guess i’ll start to ignore you now as it was the second one..
NA top teams
You mean team? No need for a plural form there.
if you are trying to argue that there’s only one top team on NA and the rest are trash or w/e…
Since they are both in the final, i would consider both teams top teams.
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Chill when they used their cleanse..
that’s a dodge and water 5..
unless they use utility.. then they use big cooldown…chill again..
ice shard is not useless, it’s just ele is too stronk with too much burning.
and yes, gunk is stronk…specially against engi, after you proc panic strike and throw gunk..or just stealth then auto with shortbow after they used their healing turret…if you want to beat an engi, l2use gunk..that’s the thing that kills engi..
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Are you missing the part where 2 necros are showed in NA esl final for more then one week on both of the top teams?
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warrior sprint doesnt even matter compare to the rest of the traits on this line..
Every single minor is strong on discipline.
not as mandatory as fast hand but they are all strong compare to what arms and tactic have to offer, another line with good minors is strength, defense gives ok minors.
line with weakest minors has to be tactic. not even talking about major traits.
all discipline grandmaster traits are strong compare to arms or tactic
doesn’t matter the build, tanky or DPS or condi or anything, there’s just no way to give up discipline even with fast hand baselined.
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Nobody is comparing revenant to ele nor engi, except OP yourself and this kidel guy.
You do know that thief exist right? it’s basically revenant (without weaponswap) but on the other side of the bar.
Oh wait, so is warrior but with CDs.
so your arugment is invalid.
Mallyx is nothing else but an offensive set of condi utility skills for extra pressure, but there is no reason to use him other than that as we can go for Jalis (lol tanking) and Shiro for mobility with mace/axe without any problems. Legends are nothing else but a x type of utility skills. Not a second weapon skills. Mallyx is not needed at all. He behave as expensive weapon skills. Neither Jalis or Shiro require a power. They dont have any significant damage atatched to them.
Yeah, cool. And when people like lighter or xenon suggest alternative methods
Cool, the e of you are all suggesting different solutions, so you are just allied against weaponswap, even if you don’t agree on the solution.
So you basically want ws gone so badly that everything else goes? Lol.You basically want weaponswap and legendswap on the same button, lighter wants no second weaponset at all but just utility skills as weaponskills (???), while the other one (not sure if xenon tbh, sorry if I’m wrong) wants conjured weapons.
And of all of them, one is an attunement copy, the other is a engi kit copy and yours is a restricted-to-legend weaponswap.
All alternatives that players would hate just because you want to be “original” while not being original (yours is still weaponswap, just with a restriction, HOW IS IT MORE ORIGINAL?)
Your suggestion to replace weaponswap is just a restricted weaponswap tied to the legend, that is already senseless on paper, so I’m sure you just convinced yourself that it’s better and NOTHING will change your mind. Even if you can emulate your restrictive idea with normal weaponswap.
A month passed and to this day i dindt received any quote where i EVER suggested weapon swap tied to legend. I love these cheap false claims to discredit my person. I am still waiting for this legendary quote WHICH YOU COULDNT PROVIDE SINCE LAST BETA.
Just like lighter i am completely AGAINST any sort of weapon swap. Doesnt matter if tied to legend or not, im simply against it. And even if these suggestions are not “original” they are still more original than weapon swap slapped on 6 classes. It is also not our job to come up with something original. We dont get payed for any suggestions here. Thats a job for developer. From a customer point of view slapping weapon swap was a LAZY band aid solution. Nothing else, it was simply lazy and uninspired.
Ps saying that i actually “dont get revenant” is also funny, considering the fact i am not the one here without any clue how energy works etc by talking about recovering 40 energy in 3 seconds and other bs – and unlike you i can provide quotes+source links. Either way that was my last post directed towards you, i dont want to bother with people that spread false accusations.
Bye
Quoted for the truth
…signet necro do own eles…
you are gonna get bursted down without endure pain..
Sure, copying a class main mechanic is more original then using a common mechanic, like “walking”
And in the other thread, when we told you that legendswap can’t replace weaponswap, you suggested to change revenant utility skills to be more like weaponskills. Isn’t it basically elementalist, just with weaponskills on the other side of the bar?
Also you still fail to give 1 valid reason why this is better then normal weaponswap, except “originality” (nope)
You really need to learn the word “original”, Using a common mechanic is not original, at all.
Also having no weaponswap is copying a classs main mechanic now?
And in the other thread, when we told you that legendswap can’t replace weaponswap, you suggested to change revenant utility skills to be more like weaponskills. Isn’t it basicapelly elementalist, just with weaponskills on the other side of the bar?
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what do you even mean, do you have a slightest idea what you talking about?
What is “basically elementalist”, every class has weapon set and utility set…like what are you even talking about…warrior has two weapon swap and one utility, thief has two wepaon swap and one utility, all of these would be on the other side of the bar..and they should be the ones to compare to, because 2 weapon set > 2 utility set, not eles 4 weapon set > 2 utility set..
if anything only engi kit would be more close to utlity replacing weapon skills..
I mean come on, make some sense…
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And? just because the class isn’t balanced at this state, doesn’t mean it needs a weapon swap.
Can you really clear up why you don’t want a weapon swap?
Because the only possible reason I can come up with is that you want an easier to play, more straightforward class.
How is having weapon swap more difficult?
You basically just start with range go in do melee damage and come out range pressure and go in again…double melee is way more difficult then melee/range..
also engi and ele, both classes who have no weapon swap are both classes with the highest skill cap.
what you said is such nonsense…They’re classes that involve more swapping.
and? thief has 2 weapon set with no CD, 1 utility set with CD
Revenant has 2 utility set with no CD and 1 weapon set with low CD.
both use energy.
not sure why you guys keep saying it’s ele it’s engi just because it doesn’t have a weaponswap, it’s not.
- rangers are better dps support, necros are better bunkers, *
No,no,no,no – warrior way better than ranger in dps support and team support and rampage alone is > ranger on node fights and warrior better mobility. necros, better bunkers? cele is not bunker its just condi spam with 3k lich autos
Tierlist now:
1. Ele
2. Mesmer
3. Guardian
4. Thief
5. Engineer
6. Warrior
7. Necro
8. Ranger
i would say signet necro>warrior..
actually mirror blade is not target taking..just melee range when without a target..
100% agree.
Why people keep suggesting restrictive options?
It’s for the sake of being original for no other reason? Or just eles and engis coming to complain?Being original is the point of having different classes in a game…
Sure, making revenant the same as elementalist is way more original
/irony offit’s atleast way more original then making it the third heavy with weapon swap.
No…. No it’s not.
Yes….Yes it is.
Also nobody said making it like ele, does ele has a specific attunement only for condi like Mallyx? no..exactly..having legend swap and no weapon swap doesnt make him an ele…
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there’s actually more and more necros in soloq
Really? I see mostly the same ones so often I keep track of builds and names :/ on topic that’s not necro specific you probably had a mental dilemma “Which necro should we target first?”.
yea, Qing right now, almost 2 necro every single Q, and just had a 5 necro Q, 3 on one team 2 on other..
Today is Necro win daily…
everyday is necro daily?..
there’s actually more and more necros in soloq
Really? I see mostly the same ones so often I keep track of builds and names :/ on topic that’s not necro specific you probably had a mental dilemma “Which necro should we target first?”.
yea, Qing right now, almost 2 necro every single Q, and just had a 5 necro Q, 3 on one team 2 on other..
there’s actually more and more necros in soloq
100% agree.
Why people keep suggesting restrictive options?
It’s for the sake of being original for no other reason? Or just eles and engis coming to complain?Being original is the point of having different classes in a game…
Sure, making revenant the same as elementalist is way more original
/irony off
it’s atleast way more original then making it the third heavy with weapon swap.
And? just because the class isn’t balanced at this state, doesn’t mean it needs a weapon swap.
Can you really clear up why you don’t want a weapon swap?
Because the only possible reason I can come up with is that you want an easier to play, more straightforward class.
How is having weapon swap more difficult?
You basically just start with range go in do melee damage and come out range pressure and go in again…double melee is way more difficult then melee/range..
also engi and ele, both classes who have no weapon swap are both classes with the highest skill cap.
what you said is such nonsense…
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there are tons of ways to get ascended gear other then crafting…
tbh, warrior would still take discipline line, just because it’s that good.
either you buff arms and tactic line..or still taking discipline even without fasthand.
100% agree.
Why people keep suggesting restrictive options?
It’s for the sake of being original for no other reason? Or just eles and engis coming to complain?
Being original is the point of having different classes in a game…
either remove weapon swap for rev again or give ele and engi weapon swap, let me tell you why.
Ele is a light armor class
Engi is a medium armor class
and rev is a heavy armor classNot this again…
Ele has 20 weaponskills and conjured weapons
Engi has 5 toolbelt skills and a crapton of kitsSeriously, have you played those classes? You don’t feel any need for weaponswap on them. I’ve played Revenant and it desperately needed weaponswap.
And? just because the class isn’t balanced at this state, doesn’t mean it needs a weapon swap.
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Lol thief is strong, specially with shadow art..
you can rez people up easily and have decent survive and still maintain the high insta burst with even farther range
shadow art thief and mantra mesmer are both zerkers who have the ability to rez up their bunkers constantly.
except mantra mesmer is abit stronger…..not sure after nerf, didnt have time to play much
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it’s been two weeks, in esl NA finals, there are two necros..
it’s like you guys are talking about PvP without giving a kitten to it…
i’m pretty sure every single build are already invented in 2012..
you only have so much weapon and so much trait and skill to choose from..
i remember when warrior was free kill tier back in early 2013, i was running gs/lb frenzy war…and then i see a war with hammer/lb zerker frenzy for the first time and he frenzy CC chained me to death..i was like WTF