Guild Wars 2

if rampage is nerfed, there will be zero reason to bring a warrior (not like there’s already plenty of ways to counter it)

how is warrior good at CC again?….
you have chaos storm, earthquake,updraft. steal, mantra, daze shatter, iwave, doom, reaper’s mark, overcharged shot, hammer ring, banish. there’s cc that goes through stab like steal and shatter, and there’s corruption for counter stab CC and there’s CC that works on down body like updraft, banish etc….and there’s unblockable CC, like venom with choke gas..and magnetic pull..

not sure how hammer and mace and shield are any good at CC…

rampage is no where close to OP when there’s mesmer and ele.

dual dagger or nothing.

Thing is that, i don’t see the synergy within the limited number of weapons.
If you go condition, you have mace/axe, then what, what will be your secondary set?
and hammer is the most boring ranged weapon i’ve ever played and has even greater telegraphed skills then warrior hammer..i feel like even warrior rifle will be more viable then hammer, until i’m proved other wise in game.

i’m not sure how the balancing progress works, but i’m now really interested to see how the revenant would be balanced to viable with only one weapon set.

simply because i don’t like any other weapon set and i can not see the synergy between weapons either, specially the hammer one, but we will see after we play with the buff.
and weapon sets are bind to legends and legends are bind to play style and stats (condi, zerker, tank, healer).

was weapon swap already determined inside the balance team? or did they have other solution which may be better. because it was clearly underpowered.

what if we don’t get weapon swap, instead, we get triple legend…

TBH, i don’t like it.

Let’s look at other classes, like ranger, guardian, they simply swap and they know the sigils will be off CD, and just use the weapon for the sigils or procs they want.

Warrior, still the same thing. just use the weapon for the sigils or procs they want.

Ele and Engi, they only have one set of sigils, so you only need to time the cooldowns and you will know when it’s ready and have it’s use..

But with revenant procing the sigils with both, i feel like it’s gonna be messy and forced random procs and wasted procs will be all over the place.

dominik.9721:

25% endure pain is completly fine.especally with greatsword it alows you disengage ans to survive the other traits are bs ye

im saying all the enemy HP threshold or self HP threshold offensive traits, not defensive traits.
i should have made it more clear.

Einlanzer.1627:

Kidel.2057:

Zodryn.4216:

Haha…just pray Anet doesn’t realize that 3s stun on 5 targets with no cooldown is insane. It forces the entire enemy team to either blow a defensive cooldown or dodge and can be used multiple times in a row (run with two revenants for max lol, perma team stun). Comparatively, BV is single target 1s stun on a 40s cooldown that’s blockable. Oh no, how will you survive that…/sarcasm

Or to walk out of it?
Jade Winds has a huge green telegraph and a long animation.
Plus you can’t spam it. It’s 50 energy, you can use it twice in a row, then once every 10 seconds. But if you do it you can’t do anything else. Not even use weaponskills except auto attack.

If it becomes op then they can simply add some cooldown, but I don’t think that’s the case.

Overall Revenant is a seriously underpowered class atm. Way inferior to Guardian, but also inferior to Thief.

It’s not easy for most classes to get out of the 600 range radius in the 1 second it takes to use it, assuming they are even able to see it coming.

It should be noted that I’m not necessarily arguing that JW is OP. It may or not be, we’ll just have to see it in action more. My argument is that BV is definitely not balanced correctly in comparison. Thieves are a high risk high reward profession, but for the most part the risk is higher than the reward in the current state of the game, and BV is not worthy of being an elite in its current state.

It’s not easy for most classes to avoid Basilisk Venom, but it’s easy for people to dodge Jade wind.

It should be noted that im not arguing that Venom is OP. I’m just saying that Jade Wind is UP. And Revenant is high risk high reward, but for the most part risk is higher for revenant, while thief has lower risk but gives more reward, which is a fact.

I’m not sure how you rate warrior higher then thief, when there’s one thief per top team
and you can only find 1 warrior in like 5 top teams.

Also there’s more necro then warrior in ESL finals. also engi.

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

You must be extremely high, or simply have no logic at all.

so you prefer a stun that cost all your initiative, has no synergy with your other bursts
and can be easily avoided and is only 600 radius

that’s what you want?

i would take basilisk all day long.

it actually surprises me when reading thief forum how no idea most forum thieves are.
it feels like 90% of the forum thieves are extremely noob and has no idea what they talking about.

i would be happy to reckt you on my thief with basilisk during the next beta, while you brainlessly spam that jade wind and think it will actually do anything

No, I want something that is generally useful instead of only useful in a very specific build in one game mode.

so you think aoe stun that cause all your energy so you won’t be able to use your other high DPS rotation skill = useful in pve?

if anything, this skill can only has more usage in pvp then anywhere else.

A 3 second stun to everything around you in a flash that also deals damage? Yeah, I think that’s more useful than a 1 second stun to one target, regardless of Stealth.

First of all, why would you want to stun trash mobs in exchange of DPS lose?
do you even pve? like do you? like why..what? do you even play the game?

You can’t even pose articulate questions, much less make any coherent points.

No, you are the one who doesn’t make any sense.
Please explain how AoE stun that cost half of your initiative is strong in PvE in any way.
Oh yea, btw there are AoE stun on warrior as well, and guardian has aoe knock back, omg, it’s so useful in PvE, it’s insane, not.
and why you aren’t comparing your venom with those? exactly.
you are just comparing venom with jade wind for no valid reason what so ever

Except the fact that Basilisk Venom is terrible and Jade Winds isn’t.

except the fact that basilisk venom is op and jade wind is useless.

Yeah that 1 second of stun behind a second long cast time and 40 second cooldown is so OP.

Yea that 3 second stun behind a huge obvious telegraphed easily dodgeable animation which also cause all your energy from the start is so OP.

Now that we know about the Shiro legend, I cannot help feel that Jade Wind needs a buff to bring it more in line with thieves. Lets compare them to highlight what I mean:

Jade Wind costs 50 energy, which in result you can’t use your other skills (keep in mind, rev start with 50 energy)
Basilisk Venom doesn’t cost any energy, it uses cooldown, so you can combo your stun with your other energy consuming skills.

Basilisk Venom combos with your other skill, so you use your burst and your burst will have stun effect
Jade Wind has no synergy with other burst, it has it’s own que time and cause way too many energy.

Basilisk Venom can be prepared before the fight.
Jade Wind can only be used during the fight to have an effect
Jade wind can not be pre casted, so you have your energy regain back before the fight.

Basilisk Venom can be comboed with skill like steal or sword 2 for 1200/900 range stun
Jadewind is only 600 radius

Basilisk Venom can be comboed with instacast
Jadewind has huge telegraphed animation.

I know that Basilisk has a decent cooldown time, and therefore you will only need to use it off cooldown brainlessly, but IMO it still seems more powerful than JW.

With the exception of the high energy cost, I have always felt JW should be a normal utility skill rather than an elite. Now that we have a very silimar (more powerful) version of JW in BV, I feel it is time for a buff to JW. If JW can be instant casted and be comboed with other skills, or a less energy cost, or less obviously animation, then I would be happier with it.

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

You must be extremely high, or simply have no logic at all.

so you prefer a stun that cost all your initiative, has no synergy with your other bursts
and can be easily avoided and is only 600 radius

that’s what you want?

i would take basilisk all day long.

it actually surprises me when reading thief forum how no idea most forum thieves are.
it feels like 90% of the forum thieves are extremely noob and has no idea what they talking about.

i would be happy to reckt you on my thief with basilisk during the next beta, while you brainlessly spam that jade wind and think it will actually do anything

No, I want something that is generally useful instead of only useful in a very specific build in one game mode.

so you think aoe stun that cause all your energy so you won’t be able to use your other high DPS rotation skill = useful in pve?

if anything, this skill can only has more usage in pvp then anywhere else.

A 3 second stun to everything around you in a flash that also deals damage? Yeah, I think that’s more useful than a 1 second stun to one target, regardless of Stealth.

First of all, why would you want to stun trash mobs in exchange of DPS lose?
do you even pve? like do you? like why..what? do you even play the game?

You can’t even pose articulate questions, much less make any coherent points.

No, you are the one who doesn’t make any sense.
Please explain how AoE stun that cost half of your initiative is strong in PvE in any way.
Oh yea, btw there are AoE stun on warrior as well, and guardian has aoe knock back, omg, it’s so useful in PvE, it’s insane, not.
and why you aren’t comparing your venom with those? exactly.
you are just comparing venom with jade wind for no valid reason what so ever

Except the fact that Basilisk Venom is terrible and Jade Winds isn’t.

except the fact that basilisk venom is op and jade wind is useless.

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

You must be extremely high, or simply have no logic at all.

so you prefer a stun that cost all your initiative, has no synergy with your other bursts
and can be easily avoided and is only 600 radius

that’s what you want?

i would take basilisk all day long.

it actually surprises me when reading thief forum how no idea most forum thieves are.
it feels like 90% of the forum thieves are extremely noob and has no idea what they talking about.

i would be happy to reckt you on my thief with basilisk during the next beta, while you brainlessly spam that jade wind and think it will actually do anything

No, I want something that is generally useful instead of only useful in a very specific build in one game mode.

so you think aoe stun that cause all your energy so you won’t be able to use your other high DPS rotation skill = useful in pve?

if anything, this skill can only has more usage in pvp then anywhere else.

A 3 second stun to everything around you in a flash that also deals damage? Yeah, I think that’s more useful than a 1 second stun to one target, regardless of Stealth.

First of all, why would you want to stun trash mobs in exchange of DPS lose?
do you even pve? like do you? like why..what? do you even play the game?

You can’t even pose articulate questions, much less make any coherent points.

No, you are the one who doesn’t make any sense.
Please explain how AoE stun that cost half of your initiative is strong in PvE in any way.
Oh yea, btw there are AoE stun on warrior as well, and guardian has aoe knock back, omg, it’s so useful in PvE, it’s insane, not.
and why you aren’t comparing your venom with those? exactly.
you are just comparing venom with jade wind for no valid reason what so ever

one class gets aoe stun doesnt mean another class should get aoe stun, /thread.

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

You must be extremely high, or simply have no logic at all.

so you prefer a stun that cost all your initiative, has no synergy with your other bursts
and can be easily avoided and is only 600 radius

that’s what you want?

i would take basilisk all day long.

it actually surprises me when reading thief forum how no idea most forum thieves are.
it feels like 90% of the forum thieves are extremely noob and has no idea what they talking about.

i would be happy to reckt you on my thief with basilisk during the next beta, while you brainlessly spam that jade wind and think it will actually do anything

No, I want something that is generally useful instead of only useful in a very specific build in one game mode.

so you think aoe stun that cause all your energy so you won’t be able to use your other high DPS rotation skill = useful in pve?

if anything, this skill can only has more usage in pvp then anywhere else.

A 3 second stun to everything around you in a flash that also deals damage? Yeah, I think that’s more useful than a 1 second stun to one target, regardless of Stealth.

First of all, why would you want to stun trash mobs in exchange of DPS lose?
do you even pve? like do you? like why..what? do you even play the game?

Einlanzer.1627:

lighter.2708:

You must be extremely high, or simply have no logic at all.

so you prefer a stun that cost all your initiative, has no synergy with your other bursts
and can be easily avoided and is only 600 radius

that’s what you want?

i would take basilisk all day long.

it actually surprises me when reading thief forum how no idea most forum thieves are.
it feels like 90% of the forum thieves are extremely noob and has no idea what they talking about.

i would be happy to reckt you on my thief with basilisk during the next beta, while you brainlessly spam that jade wind and think it will actually do anything

No, I want something that is generally useful instead of only useful in a very specific build in one game mode.

so you think aoe stun that cause all your energy so you won’t be able to use your other high DPS rotation skill = useful in pve?

if anything, this skill can only has more usage in pvp then anywhere else.
it feels like you didn’t even think before posting, why would you think a stun that cause 50% of your initiative will be more useful(8x) then basilik in pve..we can never know.

Tarkan.5609:

Zodryn.4216:

Also, besides likely having higher HP and armor, a DPS revenant can also swap to Jalis on the fly for extra durability or Ventari for heals. We’ll just have to wait and see what their damage is like, but I’m not optimistic.

or that guy that starts with M for condi remove/transfer

thing is though, they wont have the burst or the stealth of thieves – outshining S/D thieves anyway

out shining S/D? in what way? does it have vigor? 50% vigor effectiveness increase?
spammable evade on weapon set? boon rip?ignore immobilize? reduced chill cripple?

have you ever played a s/s warrior? yup, that’s what it’s like, except it’s power
and has no endure pain no zerker stance.

the only thing that looks like a s/d thief is the roll back.

tbh, revenant is more s/s warrior but power.

the only part which has a similarity is when you roll back.

You must be extremely high, or simply have no logic at all.

so you prefer a stun that cost all your initiative, has no synergy with your other bursts
and can be easily avoided and is only 600 radius

that’s what you want?

i would take basilisk all day long.

it actually surprises me when reading thief forum how no idea most forum thieves are.
it feels like 90% of the forum thieves are extremely noob and has no idea what they talking about.

i would be happy to reckt you on my thief with basilisk during the next beta, while you brainlessly spam that jade wind and think it will actually do anything

doesn’t matter tho, theres no point using a cc with 1 second cast time with huge animation with only 600 radius and cant combo with teleport….. because people will simply dodge it….

you have to go in fight the guy, bait dodges then hope you still have energy for it

lighter.2708:

skowcia is exactly right, I would rather have basilik venom which I can combo with my burst then an aoe with only 600 radius and cost all your energy..I can not imagine its usefulness..

no customization is pretty bad because you are forced to use the skills set dev provide, which most of the time had skill that are useless, you can not simply customizr your skill to match the current meta, either they keep revenant on a frequent update or I dont see it being too good in pvp

skowcia is exactly right, I would rather have basilik venom which I can combo with my burst then an aoe with only 600 radius and cost all your energy..I can not imagine its usefulness..

there’s more necro then warrior on esl finals.

rampage is not even god like.
how many rampage there are in ESL final?
non, exactly

how many eles there are in the final? over 9000
and mesmer? over 5000
there are even more necro then warrior in esl final.

Let’s see…How many rampage there are in esl finals…

hmmm, yep..

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Why?

why not~

so you are just the flavor of the month kind of the guy, i’m pretty sure you played thief for the same reason, since it’s always viable and carried with stealth and powerful opener and pretty much godly in wvw, until mesmer took over.

they should have beta weekend every weekned till release!

ele can use magic, mesmer can use magic, necro can use magic, why theres 3 magician inspired class in this game?

btw thief’s skill is so much better then shiro ones, not sure if you have logic at all saying that shiro is better.

yea, i would much prefer red as it’s a more aggressive color

giv me da weekend beta test!

meh, 2 warriors are easy to avoid.

Kidel.2057:

xarallei.4279:

Not really comparable. Pre-elite guard is with 2 mid range and no long range and revenant with one long range and no mid range. Personally I’d rather have one long range and no mid range.

Guardian has 1 1200 range and 1 600 midrange.
Revenant have a smaller kitten nal, but looks fine to me.

I already have a Guardian, I don’t need 2

just because having an extra range weapon make it a guardian, i guess every single class is guardian..

Kidel.2057:

lighter.2708:

Kidel.2057:

Staff has 600 range

600 range = melee now, gg
such range
much melee.

did I say melee?
It’s mid range. Also nice doge, would you like a report?

did you even read my original post?
try again

also mid range is not range now
such mid
much range.

xarallei.4279:

Not really comparable. Pre-elite guard is with 2 mid range and no long range and revenant with one long range and no mid range. Personally I’d rather have one long range and no mid range.

How about, 1 long range and 1 mid range?

btw after elite, guardian will have 1 long range 2 mid range.
what about revenant? not sure why people are comparing to pre elite guardian, since pre elite and post elite revenant has no difference because hes getting a shield.

Kidel.2057:

Staff has 600 range

600 range = melee now, gg
such range
much melee.

Genesis.8572:

lighter.2708:

..so revenant only has 1 ranged weapon?….
no mid range weapon or one hand range weapon?,,,,

Welcome to the life of the pre-elite specialization guardian.

guardian has two…just saying..

hint, scepter, staff.

..so revenant only has 1 ranged weapon?….
no mid range weapon or one hand range weapon?,,,,

Dex.6139:

lighter.2708:

Watch your shiro get reckt by thieves and rage quit and back to your thief.

That’s really up to the skill of the player. You win some you lose some. You learn, adapt, try new builds and move on.

My main in GW1 was an Assassin/x. When GW2 came out, I was hoping to play my sin again but the closest thing at the time was Thief, so that became my main.

So now we have Shiro, the Assassin character I was looking for. Ty, Anet.

I know I’m going to miss out on stealth, blinds, bv , steal and the holy bp – hs combo. I’m ok with trying something else for now.

im just responding to people who say revenant is so much better and kill thief for breakfast, thief dead, rev strong, nerv please.

nothing really survival, just like litany of wrath nothing so viable in my view.

damage sure is nice but..

lol ill be happy to remove weapon swap for revenant, if you give him healing turret and kits

more specifically i want tool kit and nade kit, thanks.

imagine, i can pull from range then go in to a quickness sword 3 combo, epic.

ronpierce.2760:

lighter.2708:

ronpierce.2760:

lighter.2708:

You will still get reckt by thieves on shiro tho.

Depends if they do a huge decrease in cast times. hammer Mallyx does okay against thief, so if you run Shiro/Mallyx, with SS Hammer, you’ll be fine (ish). I’d imagine it’d end up being a pretty decent fight.

telegraphed slow hitting range weapon has no chance against thief, only thing i see has a chance against thieves is sword and shiro stance.

Last Beta I could kill thieves. I even had DP thieves thinking Rev was somehow OP. If you use Mallyx (UA especially) correctly and now with a buffed hammer damage, it’s really no issue. Save your projectile wall for when they swap to short bow and have UA on hand for when they swap, you can toy with them really hard. I did it a lot even last beta where the class was terrible.

Mesmers are the real problem…

the thieves you met must be incredible bad, or just have no idea what is a revenant.
5 is incredible telegraphed, wall is nothing for any melee set, 3 is incredible telegraphed, 2 is incredible telegraphed and closer = less damage.
im not sure how you can hit anything other then auto attack against a capable thief.

ronpierce.2760:

lighter.2708:

You will still get reckt by thieves on shiro tho.

Depends if they do a huge decrease in cast times. hammer Mallyx does okay against thief, so if you run Shiro/Mallyx, with SS Hammer, you’ll be fine (ish). I’d imagine it’d end up being a pretty decent fight.

telegraphed slow hitting range weapon has no chance against thief, only thing i see has a chance against thieves is sword and shiro stance.

Watch your shiro get reckt by thieves and rage quit and back to your thief.
an effective of a class is not determined by how cool the skills look and how many skills they can use, im surprised people still haven’t realize it after the first open beta.

You will still get reckt by thieves on shiro tho.

They are useless.
when people reach 25% hp they die.
the weakness and fury gives you literally nothing.
only use i can imagine is in very close duels, game is not involved around duels and close duels are not common.
another use is to use mesmer clones to gain fury and that’s it.
it’s situational, useless, please remove them.
you already had the 25% self HP threshold which increase damage, you already know it’s useless, not sure why 25% enemy HP threshold would make any difference.

also that arms line, all three adept traits are around precision and crit chance…where’s the diversity? they all give precision(crit chance) in the end, just one is better then most. how is that even a choice.

Dr Acula.3496:

lighter.2708:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

i guess 3/4 is considered long cast time now..

The tooltip is a bit misleading. Grim Specter is actually ~1 second cast, plus projectile travel speed.

It’s effect is great, and I always try to use it if applicable, but Lich Form cast times are stupidly long aside from the auto and have bad tooltips regarding them.

Chilling Wind, for example, is ~1/2 second cast, double the listed cast time. Plus a buggy hitbox that doesn’t always hit, even when the animation is clearly covering a foe.

every thing can be said for all rampage skills including auto, or worst…

Buggy hitboxes and misleading cast time tooltips apply to Rampage? Methinks not.

Go try it..

pretty sure rampage can’t be avoided just by strafing side to side…

again, go try it

as far as I know, shout build still use signet, and shoutbow with shout heal is counter productive, it already gives full adrenaline, so the adre from trait will be nothing

give us warrior elite spec next!
berserker! the elite spec whos named after the highest dps state in the game!
hell yea!

any one thought of the use of other heals?

for pvp.