I EXPECT that major game features are not behind a paywall.
I EXPECT that the game’s core pvp functionality not be reserved for pvers.
I EXPECT a viable alternative that allows pvpers the ability to have access to CA WITHOUT spending money or waste time in pve.
I expect a game not to try so hard to make me dislike it but kitten is it doing a good job.
Gem store should be for cosmetics. There are SO MANY better ways to offer customers interesting products that don’t make pvp community feel left out.
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guys.
no one is FORCING you to buy your own server.
You’re absolutely right. They are only making it very difficult to play with the people you want to play with, and then offering a paid service to do just that. It’s completely normal. /sarcasm
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more moneytakes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, playing with friends and stuff..
which was exactly the right way to do it.
And which is exactly what they didn’t…
gw1: “have all this stuff for box price!”
players: “yaaaay anet is great!”
gw2: “pls spend more money on basic features”
players: “wtf….?”
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more moneytakes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, playing with friends and stuff..
which was exactly the right way to do it.
no it is not. all gear is pvp. custom arenas are part of spvp.
I agree you should be able to pay for custom arenas through only pvp play BUT you have to realize the devs need to eat and a lot of that comes from in game purchases which sPvP players dont have to make at the moment.
People keep posting this, but I don’t think they have any idea what they’re talking about. Not a single one of you know how much money anet makes, or spends, or needs. Businesses don’t seek to make just enough money to pay their employees, they try to make as much money as possible. We have not a single clue how much these custom arenas are actually costing anet, and my somewhat-educated bet is very little in the grand scheme of things. People really need to stop drinking the anet kool-aid and actually think for a second. These are not servers like you would expect in some other game. You are paying for the privilege of playing against your friends, like any other mmorpg game would give to you as a basic feature. How can you customize your arena? Adjusting some numbers? Change the map? Kick people? All things that are trivial to alter for anet, and don’t actually cost them any resources.
if you have guild members that pitch in and that do PvE it can be quite easy to fund.
we can’t level our characters or gain any outside-pvp rewards in heart of the mists, but we are expected to have to go pve just to pay to have the privilege to play against our friends?
huge joke
i dun see any problem here, there is a lot of info on the web previewing the upcoming changes, especially about necro… last “state of the game” too gave us info. the reason is simply put, “profession balance,” and “a varied meta,” avoiding any pigeon holes to the way we trait or equip. i don’t think there is any contradiction with the previous vision of how the company views class roles/way to play, just, the traits needed revamping, and devs r advancing that priority in our most recent patch.
if your wondering, it will lead to A. players who learn and adapt and help the meta to plateau and B. the player base that will leave a meta they see that wont plateau. kind of a catch 22
http://www.guildwars.com/gameplay/developer_updates/september_2012_skill_balances.php
this is what an update is supposed to look like.
for basic feature we have to pay more than a sub fee from other games
hahahahaWhat other games gives you a dedicated “server” for free`? a server that does not delete itself once it’s empty or can be hosted on your own computer.
hello internet friend,
you can host custom arena on your own computer? this is great news, please fwd me the information. also, i don’t see the word “server” anywhere on custom arena description, can you please help me find where this is stated?
thanks,
milo
for basic feature we have to pay more than a sub fee from other games
hahahaha
warheart
make sure you’re logged into the site
then u will see your position or percentile
Its called balance. Your the beast at PvE and dungeons… But in PvP your a joke. So it balances each other out equally.
hello my friend,
i’m happy to report that is not actually called “balance”; it is called “poor design”.
regards,
milo
You have to look at it from there point of view. How do we know they will extend in future. How much can we save by letting others take over that server. Etc.
Servers are pretty costly to maintain hence why they make you pay gems for it.
dear internet friend,
i’m very glad to learn you have access to anet bills, please post them for us all to view.
best,
milo
pretty unfair to blame him for lack of lfg tool & already small pvp population that is split over all those servers.
i love how the poor guy is trying to find people to play with and the genius response is “you must suck”
Solo queue split is coming “soon”
aka next year
this game is just a joke +1 for the author ….
GW1 was the thing, this is what happens when you bring jooz like Jonthan Sharp to develop the pvp..
kitten Anet
how can you blame sharp when there’s no pvp been developed
if anyone knows when last big patch was released then it should be at around that time.
I think it’s in a few hrs
I wonder what people said about LoL when that first started stepping into esport territory…..
ty for your insight, now i see gw2 is esport soon
Doesn’t that just mean that the whole process will be delayed until the Living World rolls around to it? I don’t see how or why the Living World has to interface with the existing dungeons at all: I don’t think you’ll get many people complaining if they are updated as if by magic because they’re part of another story/content that’s outside of the “story” altogether.
Yeah I mean for me personally I give zero kittens if the changes to dungeons have in game explanations or not. Immersion is pointless in an MMO, I know I’m playing a video game. Hell, trait changes come from the sky and no one complains about that. So do updates to the gem store, and bugfixes to events and personal story.
If Colin and team are all of a sudden worried about immersion in the game, how about making it so that NPCs recognize me as Warmaster of the Vigil and Slayer of Zhaitan?
Just fix the dungeons, make the dungeons better, and make the rewards better, preferably in that order. Who cares “why” it happens?
marketing
existing players are put on hold as they develop a new update (and accompanying promotional material across a wide range of online publications and blogs) to draw in new people and new sales and people who had left the game previously. naturally, with these new arrivals there needs to be a new showcase item in the gemstore (limited time only!!! get it now or you’ll forever regret it!!) to show off.
that is why the content is so shallow and boring past the first 30 minutes. they are primarily manufacturing hype, not long term content.
also, don’t post reply about how we don’t pay a sub so we should just deal with it. i’m not buying it.
op is correct.
the posters talking about how we can have 90% development on pve and still be esport are naive. the pve is catering to casual gamers in every respect (whole other post needed for that). these fundamental game mechanics that underpin the pve aspect don’t magically disappear or become “competitive” because you want them to.
it is an enormous “wtf?” that we see anet pushed so hard and spent so much time to develop ESPORT SPECTATORRR!!! and it is only a few people at a time that can watch hotjoins… thanks anet.
don’t talk to me about how we can now watch streams of high rank players on twitch with overhyped casters trying to make the game look exciting and super tactical. i don’t want to watch a trash pvp game, i want to play a good one.
heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Build templates/Gear templates
Revamp of rewards for Spvp/Tpvp
Solo/Guild Queues and Solo/Guild leader-boards
can u give sources for these 3?
what does “soon” mean?
yes dude, it’s another warrior nerf. it’s to balance for the condi-remove buff they got
always remember: game is balanced around pve
Torment needs to proc in distance travelled, and not just walking. I believe the intent here is to level the playing field in match ups where Teleports, Gap Closers and Dodgerolls get overused.
you are thinking too much. it will just be a simple “time spent moving” tic.
good post mooty, as well as everyone else that didn’t respond to op with l2keybind
hotjoin cancer can’t be removed from game because now they decided to make money from it
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I don’t want to see ranks either. I want the (frequently) horrendous imbalances kept hidden.
i want rating
i thought it was stupid when they added the ranks. that was when i still believed anet knew what they were doing. no joke, this business about showing “grind rank” was one of the major reasons i began to doubt anet.
any thread asking for gvg gets my support, even if it’s the 100th one.
Are there any plans for a duo queue? I play pvp a lot with a friend, but we’re not that organized at all. It’s frustrating to get matched versus premades, but a solo-only queue would prevent me from playing with my friends casually. Still, soloq is better than nothing, but it would be interesting to get a solo/ duo hybrid queue.
i have no idea. i would expect not. however there will be a lfg tool released soon that you can use and i expect that will help quite a bit.
let’s recap
- some people use macros
- this shouldn’t happen
- however, macros are difficult to detect
- players can’t really tell if another player is using them
- anyone can queue skills fast enough with practice
- if you click your skills, you are handicapping yourself
- anet can’t really detect macros
- they could probably detect simple ones, and it’s up to them if they want to
- they cannot reasonably detect any macro system that uses random activation time
- players can’t really tell if another player is using them
- macros don’t give any significant advantage that any normal player couldn’t duplicate with some practice.
- i want to repeat: macros are for nubs, and they shouldn’t be allowed.
it’s only a war of escalation, and for what? any macro they could reliably detect would be braindead mouse ones like you use that don’t really give any advantage. as if activating skill quickly in sequence was really something devs should spend time to protect against. get real kid. the longer the chain, the more it seems as if macro was good idea, but in reality the less control you have.
- press skill 1
- press skill 2 before skill 1 is done — skill 2 is queued
- skill 2 comes out of queue & activates,
- press skill 3 before skill 2 is done
there u have 3 skills that take .5 seconds activation time working at “max” speed that any normal person familiar with the skill chain could do. where’s the macro?
And again…you can log key presses not actual skill activation…and you’re not going to press you keys at the same millisecond everytime unless you’re using a bot aka macro…should i repeat this for the third time?
this is a great solution. im glad u r pro r50 that think things through. there is no way any1 could ever make macro that activates at random millisecond. anet hire this pro r50.
@Ezrael
the only thing that looks strange is mind wrack + cry of frustration. i don’t know enough about it since i don’t play mesmer, but that is the only section of the chain that is questionable. the rest is easy to see that a person with a week of practice could do it.
i’m really getting the strong impression that people who mouse click their skills are the only ones that think macros are everywhere. i used to do a more complicated combo in gw1 regularly (thou it took long time to master it, was a/p dagger + spear attacks). use keyboard ppl, 4 srs.
what u are suggesting is a total rebuilding of the game, just forget it, it will never happen.
yes you are right
whatever they do, i just hope to god they make it based on wins, and not grind like glory
well, here are your 2 problems then:
you can’t que up more than one
yes you can. you can activate 1 skill and activate a 2nd that will queue and activate right after the 1st, and you can chain this so you always queue a skill as the previous one is activating.
yes…e definately click many skills with mouse…lol
try with keyboard man, srsly
- press skill 1
- press skill 2 before skill 1 is done — skill 2 is queued
- skill 2 comes out of queue & activates,
- press skill 3 before skill 2 is done
there u have 3 skills that take .5 seconds activation time working at “max” speed that any normal person familiar with the skill chain could do. where’s the macro?
People are incredible…. dragon ball arena is a mini game with 0 depth, if someone prefers it to spvp he doesnt deserve to type on this subforum.
PvP needs more depth, not less, last thing we need is to have it trivialized to become totally dull.
i strongly disagree
pvp atm is too complicated, too many moving parts, too many hidden procs, too much spam. there is a difference between depth and complexity. we have lots of complexity, but not enough depth. dragonball is refreshing because it’s so simple. it’s not a good replacement for pvp, but i was trying to hint to the devs that they need to make a pvp “redux” where all the stats and traits and equipment is removed or normalized, and then give interesting skills that give lots of depth. only then we will have: 1) accessible & 2) deep pvp.
My biggest problem with weapon evades is, not all classes have them.
Its like saying ; All classes can spam 2 dodges as standard. Except for Thief and Mesmer, they get 4.
Such a large mechanic needs to be standard.
or removed
i’m so happy you get a +1, and you get a +1 and you get a +1!
dragonball is better pvp than gw2 pvp
super adventure box was better pve than gw2 pve
i think we seeing a trend…
If that’s the case Tyler, then why can we not see rating in game? It’s beyond pointless for there to be this invisible system and expect reasonable feedback on it. All we can see are ranking to it is reasonable for us to assume that a rank 1 would have far less rating than that of a rank 40.
exactly. what possible useful feedback could we ever give if we never see the rating the system uses.
pve dev: “you lost a lot of players man”
pvp dev: “you’re right dude”
pve dev: “try adding heart quests”
pvp dev “great idea!”
If you’re used to a class let’s say thief or mesmer (The ones who usually go for macros) you can definately presume if someone is macroing or not…not everytime for sure but i can say a good 70% of the times…many good players play “as on macros” but you usually know them if you live in pvp…but a r20 bursting faster and better than a r50 playing that for ages? Don’t think so…i would say maybe, but more often it’s just a macro, and you can say that also looking at their combo…sometimes ppl with macros spam unuseful skills for that situation just because they put those into the chain and can’t cancel them…a mesmer with an awesome burst already wasted his shatter combo vs invulnerability and still goes bf? That smells of macro to me….just an example…just add a macro report option and it’s up to anet looking at time between skills, if it’s always the same with the same combo…well, it’s pretty clear what’s going on..and then ban for botting like there’s no tomorrow, because no matter what ppl say…macros are bots, 1 key 1 action…when your pc plays for you, unless you’re a ranger lol, it’s called botting…and deserves a ban..sure you can’t be 100% sure…sometimes i thought someone was macroing and after some time, looking better at him, i realized he definately wasn’t…aswell as many ppl sometimes ask me if i’m using macros on mesmer, but at the end of the day after a delay calculation on server side if’s you’re clean you’ve nothing to fear…if not…say goodbye to your account cause you totally deserved it..anyway for now, keep reporting suspected (You’ve to be pretty sure btw) macros for botting…better than nothing…
ok,
maybe it’s me that’s not understanding. do you click your skills with your mouse? is that the problem? did you know that macros can’t make you activate skills any faster than a person could? if you queue a skill after another it will activate directly after, at “maximum speed”. i imagine if you mouse click your skills then your perception of how “fast” skills should activate one after another might be very distorted. or maybe i’m just really out of the loop here.
but then what would the noobs play
If you make a solo queue option, it will no longer be reasonable to join a tournament match with just 2 friends. You’ll have to find 5 people, and most of them will leave if you lose since solo queue is so much better.
no… you’ll only have to find 2 other people. remember, you have 3 already.