Guild Wars 2

erm in a 1v1 situation the mesmer is very very strong indeed. i wouldn’t mind giving up some of thata dueling stuff and replace it with viable non aie based aoe so i can actually use it in a zerg situation. ground targeted feedback wont change much and atm u really dont need it at all. target an enemy inte middle of the zerg, cast feedback, done. really not that hard to pull off at all!

Covis.6037:

Every other class does things better. Ranger’s pet is close to useless during zergs. Ranger doesnt deal good AoE dmg(or actually damage overall in zergs.). Ranger doesnt bring good enough support. Ranger cant tank (yes u got ur signet but its not enough.).
Only thing that can be useful is your water heal / binding roots. But then again other more useful classes provide these already.

List probably could continue pages but heres the reason why i dont like rangers. I used to main ranger for over 1000 hours so i know what i talk about. And i assume you talk about zerging and not small scale roaming.

i feel u. i main a mesmer and at least i am accepted because i have veil and tw, but like the rangers we got the same ai problem. rangers got some terrible nerfs due to spvp and mes got some massive nerfs too that turned us into veilbots. the GWEN meta is making it hard for both of us to be part of the meta.to be honest. i enjoyed wvw more before anet decided to balance spvp and wvw the same way.
rangers need heavy rework so they can choose a build that works in large groupfights, same with mesmers, anet u can have my clones and phantasms if i get somet viable non ai based aoes!make ranger pets optional and give rangers something else to be part of the wvw large groupfight meta…and probably thieves will need some love in that area too.

BlackDevil.9268:

selan.8354:

i never talked about corrupt boons at all. only wells and marks that necros offer, so naturally organized guilds will not take mesmers for their boon removal. mesmers are for veil and tw and i usually bring feedback. mindwrack might hits in small encounters, but most of my shatters dont work as the clones die before the shatter actually happens in a zerg.

Wut, do you even know what you’re talking about yourself lol?

I quote from you:

3 and its no problem like i said its not corrupt boon its well of corruption which everyone uses nowadays. nullfield might hit more people, but again corrupt boon is better as it deals like 2k dmg per pulse and corrupts boons and clears condis all in one field. if u think mesmer is the boonstrip role in a zerg, sry but in na kitten for sure its necros and not mes at all.

Read what you’re saying and then tell me again you’re not talking about corrupt boon, well of corruption and well of power in 1 skill.

You don’t need clones to hit your shatters… ever heard about IP?

i already said that i confused the condi removal as i always use those 2 wells together, but i didnt mean the corrupt boon i meant well of corruption. i’ve clarified that twice now. do u want me to repeat it 100 times in a row ? well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption well of corruption…..

ask coordinated guilds who they use for boon removals? necro. they are like ok well nullfield is ok, but well of corruption is what we use. why bring mes for nullfield? u got mes for veil and tw.
if a necro puts well of corruption down, an enemy thinks twice before crossing that as u will get condis and dmg from it. u could lose your stability and get feared with it and while in fear u take dmg from the well itself.
and condi removal is better with war shouts and ele atm. organized guilds would rather see a mesmer use veil, feedback, blink than nullfield as feedback at least deals dmg.i even ask the guild leader if i should bring nullfield or feedback and its 99% feedback.

Malakin.2809:

Well, another problem I see with us is that all groups want mesmers but non of them want more than a couple, and you are expected to do everything that only mesmers can do (veil, focus pull, time warp, portal…). That leaves us almost no room to use other skills that can make the mesmer a little more fun to play in organized groups (for example skills that increase your survivability and allow you to increase your damage by using other weapons and stats).

In other words it’s not only that we are unbalaced. Our own groups also push us into being a utility-only class.

yeah i run with a zergbusting group and of course veil is nr1 requirement. due to the heavy cc meta i traited into pu aswell, so i get to stealth away if i get focused. problem is that i am required to bring focus for pulls, so i gotta swap all the time if i can as the torch is sometimes the only thing keeping me alive. i could use scepter/torch sword/focus, but then i lack aoe dmg which gs provides.
then of course tw and sometimes they want me to bring feedback…so yeah ill have to give up all my defensive utilities and weapons for the utilities people need from mesmers.
we have less freedom than other classes as everyone expects u to survive and use all that stuff. i already rerolled a necro in case anet decides to nerf veil, so i wont get gkicked.

i run power pu. gs sword/torch or if im in ganking mood ill run sword/pistol scepter/torch.
20/20/30 with manipulation traits and all power spec.

Kicast.1459:

+1
Balance team must look at mesmer in raid.
Contrary to eles who are in a good spot, mesmer have been nerfed to hell:
Blured fenzy nerf + confusion nerf + GWEN train left nothing but veil to mesmers.
Yes we are OP in 1v1. We do not want it. Remove PU. Give us something efficient in zergs.

+2
seriously. making a light armor class a 1v1 class duelist is not what the mesmer should be about. i dont want mantra buffs as mantras are simply not viable enough in a zergfight.i dont mind nerfing the condi pu build if we get something like hexes or something like that that is NOT ai based aoe!
im tired of veilbotting and tw and stupid golem ports.

Rezzet.3614:

mesmers are great in zergs if you do carry your reflects and reflect on distortion trait

other than that it aint a mesmer problem its the current hammerfest meta going on

exactly we got the GWEN meta going on. no projectiles to reflect at all. i pop my feedback and get barely any numbers and i used to have a reflection build. im talking aoe here and not reflection builds. aoe that deals dmg like wells do, like marks do, like all the les abilities do and not an aoe that only deals dmg if certain conditions are met. our aoe onfortunately is ai based wich is terrible in zergfights. your phantasms get 1shot your clones poof before they even really materialize. the cc affects phantasms and clones. etc. i would love to see more aoe like chaosstorm that actually is an aoe.

like i said some field like hexes thaat would work vs heavy trains too and not just counter projectiles.

BlackDevil.9268:

selan.8354:

BlackDevil.9268:

Wat, how many necro’s do you run to take care of all their boons? like 10? lol

3 and its no problem like i said its not corrupt boon its well of corruption which everyone uses nowadays. nullfield might hit more people, but again corrupt boon is better as it deals like 2k dmg per pulse and corrupts boons and clears condis all in one field. if u think mesmer is the boonstrip role in a zerg, sry but in na kitten for sure its necros and not mes at all.

Huh, who would even use corrupt boon in raids? Single target skills lol.
How does well of corruption clear conditions?
Sure null field might not deal damage, but mind wrack only is almost already the same amount of boons removed in the same time span. And then I’m only talking about mind wrack.

Though tbh, what else would you run as mesmer? Everything besides shatter just sucks.

I guess it’s just that simple US minded thoughts makes you think 3 necro’s can remove all boons from the enemy, or you’re just fighting horrible enemies. Or well… I guess both…

i never talked about corrupt boons at all. only wells and marks that necros offer, so naturally organized guilds will not take mesmers for their boon removal. mesmers are for veil and tw and i usually bring feedback. mindwrack might hits in small encounters, but most of my shatters dont work as the clones die before the shatter actually happens in a zerg.

totally agree. i would be happy to give up lots of my dueling specs in order to get some viable zerg wvw abilities. the glamour nerf hit mes the hardest as it was the only thing that made the mes a good zergplayer next to the immortal mesmer build.
since the glamour nerf we got mantra buffs and pu stuff, but nothing really aoe based. too much ai too much dueling for a light armor class. if they nerf veil now, mesmer will not be of any use in zergs anymore.
mantras are still horrible in zergplay as the constant cc and interrupt spams make it hard to use. i prefer not to use mantras ans would rather have something similar like the gw1 hexes. making a light armor class a dueling class is not really a great move in an mmo imo.

DeadlySynz.3471:

caljay.8720:

Torgrim.3642:

If people stay on their own timezone that would solve it, those who are up late or doing a all nighter now thats their choice.

Its ignorant people like you that are the problem. My prime time is your night time. GET THE KITTEN OVER IT! I cant be on NA prime time, same with many other OCX and SEA players, and we have no server of our own to go to, so dont pull that bs. NA is not the only timezone in this game, stop being so arrogant and get off your high horse and stop whinging

If you naturally are awake during the night for whatever reason or pulling an all nighter, then that’s fine. If your playing on the NA server and not in NA, well you don’t need to be doing that, simple as that.

so who are u to tell people on which servers they are allowed to be? so what if an eu plays on na? if he prefers an english speaking server, why not. and if an na guild gets tired of na servers, they should have the right to play in eu. wvw is 24 hours, periood. if u cant handle it, well then u should maybe play spvp then.
idk what servers the complainers are from, but i live in na but due to my work i dont get to play till oceanix/sea. our timeslot is not pvd and easy walking through at all. in fact it is a tough timeslot as all the blob guilds from na prime are asleep. yeah, we are in t2 atm but during seasons we met plenty of t3 servers that gave us nice fights. oceanix/sea is less blobby for my server, but that is the time when the zergbusting groups come out to play.

http://youtu.be/jmjL_jbN1jw

waxpax.6350:

PVP, WVW, and PVE should honestly be balanced separately.

Balancing them all together is just going to make them all medicore. The dev said they don’t want to do this because they want the game simple to pick up to new players/that players would be confused by skills working diff in diff parts of the game, but I think that’s a cop out and they just don’t have the resources to do because I don’t know why they would chose to insult they’re players by implying they’re too simple minded to keep track of skills in diff modes of gameplay. If they really want pvp to take off and for wvw and pve to be better, they need to balance the game modes separately, more so than they already do.

yeah i agree with u. spvp is more 1v1 based, so there it needs a different balance from wvw wher 30vs 30 happen quiet often. the reason why warriors are out of control in wvw is because they were buffed for spvp and the mesmer does well in spvp , but the 1v1 balance prevents us from getting buffs in wvw zerg battles. same with ranger. the wvw ranger didnt need nerfs, they needed buffs, but the rangers performance in spvp got them nerfed. eles dont need buffs in wvw as much as they need buffs in spvp, etc

style.6173:

Why do eles complain so much? They can already spec in a way to have the highest sustained burst in the game (mostly seen in PvP), and they can also spec completely differently and be virtually unkillable (mostly seen in WvW).

So the question stands…. why do they complain so much?

in wvw they arent unkillable at all, but they are top of the line in the current GWEN meta. buuut in spvp which this thread is about, eles do need some love. ele is in a bad spot in spvp atm and deserves buffs. and i dont even play an ele anymore.

keloorie.6085:

selan.8354:

BlackDevil.9268:

Wat, how many necro’s do you run to take care of all their boons? like 10? lol

3 and its no problem like i said its not corrupt boon its well of corruption which everyone uses nowadays. nullfield might hit more people, but again corrupt boon is better as it deals like 2k dmg per pulse and corrupts boons and clears condis all in one field. if u think mesmer is the boonstrip role in a zerg, sry but in na kitten for sure its necros and not mes at all.

So now well of corruption can rip boons ( correct ), clear condis ( ) , deal 2K damage PER PULSE ( )
Not to mention it can also summon eye of zhaitan, mouth of zaitan, as minions, also can stealth themselves, and can even summon a warrior that do a 100b to nearby foes within 10000 range, applying a fear that lasts 20 seconds which cannot be break and cleanse. OFCOURSE the wells of corruption are OP XD perhaps i should go reroll a necro XD

have u ever played a power necro?2k yes. no problem. and thinking u need 10 necros to rip boons already shows u know nothing abou that class. condi removal was my bad as i always use well of corruption and well of power together. and 2k dmg really isnt a big deal for a power necro at all

Fasyx.9347:

Godmoney.2048:

Mesmer needs a buff like a fish needs a bicycle.

This!

I don´t main a lvl. 80 mesmer, but I know the basics of the class. I play an ele(when there is a class which needs buff, it´s elementalist after we got nerfed to the ground) and everytime I encounter a mesmer it´s gonna be tough. Especially the shatter builds will bring my ele down to 10% of life within two seconds [F1](it´s crazy). F1 has a 10 sec cooldown…eles defensive skills have 75 sec(mist form), 40 sec(teleport), 90 sec(armor of earth).

Mesmers are in a good, no, very good position right now.

in 1v1 yes we are good. but in wvw zergplay your ele is actually way better off than a mesmer. u have aoe, we got ai. ai is not viable in wvw!

Godmoney.2048:

Mesmer needs a buff like a fish needs a bicycle.

in wvw we do need a buff and im not talking roaming. atm like thief and rangers we do lack a clear role. and again no 1 or 2 useful utilities doesent create a role for us. mesmer has a ton of bug too, but if u say we dont need buffs, then u are talking from a 1v1 smallgroup roaming perspective. in a 30vs30 mes and rangers and thieves do need buffs as we lack viable aoe.

BlackDevil.9268:

Wat, how many necro’s do you run to take care of all their boons? like 10? lol

3 and its no problem like i said its not corrupt boon its well of corruption which everyone uses nowadays. nullfield might hit more people, but again corrupt boon is better as it deals like 2k dmg per pulse and corrupts boons and clears condis all in one field. if u think mesmer is the boonstrip role in a zerg, sry but in na kitten for sure its necros and not mes at all.

StickerHappy.8052:

^what?

nullfield removes boons and conditions
corrupt boon is single target

oh yeah it cleanses condis thatrs right still this is what everyone uses atm. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Well_of_Corruption thats why u use power necro instead of mes for boonremovals. my guildleader prefers me running feedback instead of nullfield as the necros take care of boons.

keloorie.6085:

selan.8354:

Kiba.9701:

Ok, at least we both agreed that Thief lacks zerg presence, I just wanna say that 900 range Cluster Bomb is not as good as you mentioned.

In the end I’m just gonna update the list that you did to try making you notice the strenghts of the Mesmer.

boonstrip: necro, mesmer
ganking, dueling: thief, mesmer
aoe: ele, necro
condi removal: ele, shout war, necro
dps: warrior, thief, ele, necro, mesmer
boons: guardian, warrior, mesmer
cc: warrior, guardian, ele

Now ignoring you have the Elementalist in a really high standard (he is not that good), the mesmer can do pretty amazing things in WvW. I didn’t put the Mesmer in condi removal because even it has enough skill to remove party’s conditions I haven’t played it.

i think u miss read what i meant with the list. yes we can do things, but the list meanse other classes can do it either the same way or better than us. our boonstripping is not as great as boon corruption, but we have nullfield which works very slow though. yes gankng we can, but a thief can do it better,we got boons we could share, but guard does it with 1 click and doesent, dps yeah we got that but war can survive in zerg and do great dmg…..etc

point is, that our real role atm is veil and tw because we havent been given a proper role anymore. glamour mes used to be an amazing way to punish spammers and people took glam mes with their group for the confusion bombs.mes should be the punishing aoe class. pu condi mes in spvp is very mesmer like as it punishes mindless spamming. thief needs a better role in zergs too. atm u got the ganking role and thats it. i think ranger, mes and thief do need rework so u can choose to use aoe for zergfights and are not stuck with either ai or 1v1 dueling utilities

corrupt boon : single target
null field : ??
just saying

corrupt boon single target?!?!?nah nah thats a 5 target well. nullfield only removes boon, well of corruption deals lots of dmg and turns boons into condis.

gawker.8340:

Balancing by destroying a whole trait would be bad because non-condi PU mesmers exists. The only way to balance it would be to lower condi duration of illusions.

exactly.i play pu power build and the extra second stealth helps me to at least be able to escape the gankers in the backline of a zerg. as a mesmer surviving in wvw is pretty tough. yes, im a veilbot, as i dont have anything else to contribute in a zergfight, but at least i get to survive a little longer. pu is a defensive build for me. i do have power and can kill with it, but thats pretty much it. i cant contest a circle or cap a camp and atm it is like glamour builds used to be like: people need to get used to the new build.

if u only attack the real mesmer which is pretty obvious to spot, u wont destroy the clones and not get condis. pu power builds are different as we dont use the random condis. also saying that our blocks and regen is healing all dmg is false. we do take a lot of dmg, but we got higher health and toughness. with those kinda mesmers u gotta think before blindly mashing buttons as a pu mesmer works off your mistakes. we use your own attacks against u: u hit me while i have my scepter 2 block up=5 stacks torment, u 1111 my clones u get cripples, bleeds and vulnerability, u attack my clone and i manage to get behind u while using torch=burn, pu mesmers have to constantly be on the move, dodge, blink and kite and yes we actually need to time our stealth very carefully. i’ve ran into very terrible pu mesmers that are so easy to kill, but then again, i know exactly where they move and how they move.
my advice, play one for a day or 2 and u will have way less problems.

erm…dont stand in the well of corruption, have cleansers, have warriors shout heals…there is soo much to counter condis. in an organized guild group barely anyone runs condi bunkers as they dont deal enough dmg. i swapped to power necro and power mesmer because of the meta. plus even with 1800 toughness u will still be crit by backstab for 13k. plus u might wanna focus the necros first as they can really destroy your fully buffed zerg.

mesmer:

age : 3 6 24 hours
deaths: 4367 times (love zerg diving XD)
kills: 59733

Cynz.9437:

Dawdler.8521:

You fight them in exactly the same way you fight a perma-stealth thief.

except thief can’t kill you while being stealth, he leaves stealth upon attack…mesmer clones on other hand keep attacking you while mesmer can keep stealth

yeah and that massive dmg that comes from clones 32, 32 ,32 ,45, 20.0.0.0. yeah thats a looot. and our stealth last less than a thieves stealth. yeah the phantasm hit hard but without them we deal nowhere near as much dmg as a thief. i have 2.8k armor and got backstabbed for 14k by thief. no mesmer can do that. belief me id rather deal more direct dmg that having to cast a stupid phantasm to actually have a chance.
and how long is the cd on phantasm compared to hs and backstabs?yeah thats also nowhere near as close as the thief

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

I kinda agree. I like that mesmers have found a new build for themselves and so have necro’s, but in casual hotjoin matches which kinda predict where the newer comers are heading warrior is a thing of the past. In each 8 vs 8 I played mesmers featured by far and away the most and necro second. PU on the mesmer/ MM on the necro. The screen pollution is just far too much, not to mention all the rabbit finishers everywhere.

there is a difference though. mm necro, those minions cc u and are tough to take down. a mesmer clone needs 1 hit and poof. 1 aoe and all minions and mostlikely the phantasms are gone. a pu mesmer is not that good in tpvp because we acant hold a point for kitten. i use a pu power hybrid build and it is the only way to escape the perma stuns and perma fears and perma immobilize and perma cripples and all that. the best way to cleanse condis too, but in terms of holding a point…. terrible!a mm necro is a pain though i agree with u and so are certain engi builds that hide behind their turrets.
but honestly if my class wa reworked i wouldnt mind getting rid of clones and phantasms if i would get some viable aoe instead!

cheezwhiz.9517:

As Droshi mentioned, building siege can cause the same movement issue.

Replication
Start building Siege and fail to spend supply before it’s completed, or be interrupted before spending any supply.

How to Get Out
Swap weapons or forms. Some blinks appear to work too.

yeah this one hasnt been fixed for a year, but the new bug is different. swapping weapons wont help. only an emote helps so far. i swapped weapons, blinked, phase retreated used stunbreakers…nothing worked. u will be frozen in place until out of combat and then u can use an emote to get out of it

Fasyx.9347:

style.6173:

Threads like this make me lol. The truth is that all classes have glass cannon builds that deal a lot of damage. In the past, I’ve been nearly instakilled by multiple classes including thieves, and warriors. Just last night, I got wrecked on my bunker guardian by a GC ele using meteor shower.

Morale of the story. Stop complaining.

Casttime Meteorshower: about 4 sec.(not counting in tornado, without tornado combo from the ele you should never go down as a guardian)
Casttime Heatseekerspam: BAM BAM BAM – DOWN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

hahaha this never gets old. best video out there!hahaha: did they steal your puppy?

AgentChaos.4932:

if they really lower it to 100 i might quit game as well :/

same i finally got up to rank 500 and it would be terrible if they destroyed all my hard work. they should at least take the highest rank, but if u look at it in a different way. u played the game with each character and they all ranked up so if they make them accountbound, then the fair thing would be to add all ranks from each character together into one big rank. so if u are rank 100 on 1 char and rank 500 on another then u should have rank 600 accountbound.
setting it back to 100 wouldnt make sense at all and would make people ragequit. the mechanics wont change so why reset and punish players for using badges and stuff for ranks?

Josh Davis.6015:

We should have a fix for this included in the next update, barring any complications.

erm can u guys make sure that u dont break it while doing that? because everythime u fixed something on our class it was bugged afterwards…just like my favourite phantasm the iwarden which is useless now. mes already has very poor aoe that isnt ai based, so please do not destroy it.ty

actually fighting a pu is very frustrating and i play a pu power build, but it helps me that i main a mes, so i usually spot the real mes very quickly. u might wanna play one fore some time, so u will figure out how and where they move.

Kiba.9701:

Ok, at least we both agreed that Thief lacks zerg presence, I just wanna say that 900 range Cluster Bomb is not as good as you mentioned.

In the end I’m just gonna update the list that you did to try making you notice the strenghts of the Mesmer.

boonstrip: necro, mesmer
ganking, dueling: thief, mesmer
aoe: ele, necro
condi removal: ele, shout war, necro
dps: warrior, thief, ele, necro, mesmer
boons: guardian, warrior, mesmer
cc: warrior, guardian, ele

Now ignoring you have the Elementalist in a really high standard (he is not that good), the mesmer can do pretty amazing things in WvW. I didn’t put the Mesmer in condi removal because even it has enough skill to remove party’s conditions I haven’t played it.

i think u miss read what i meant with the list. yes we can do things, but the list meanse other classes can do it either the same way or better than us. our boonstripping is not as great as boon corruption, but we have nullfield which works very slow though. yes gankng we can, but a thief can do it better,we got boons we could share, but guard does it with 1 click and doesent, dps yeah we got that but war can survive in zerg and do great dmg…..etc

point is, that our real role atm is veil and tw because we havent been given a proper role anymore. glamour mes used to be an amazing way to punish spammers and people took glam mes with their group for the confusion bombs.mes should be the punishing aoe class. pu condi mes in spvp is very mesmer like as it punishes mindless spamming. thief needs a better role in zergs too. atm u got the ganking role and thats it. i think ranger, mes and thief do need rework so u can choose to use aoe for zergfights and are not stuck with either ai or 1v1 dueling utilities

1.class balance separated from spvp class balance
2. keeps improved
3. maps improved
4. less cc
5. wvw exclusive goodies: skins, better ways to get ascended gear

Phoenix.3416:

Won’t that cause lag eventually?

yep and doesent this prevent u from rezzing people…

glaphen.5230:

borrok.9267:

Stop feeding the troll now please. He said necro has plenty of defensive options, that’s your que to leave.

Necro have plenty of other defensive options, Plenty of fear, torment, cripple, Spectral skills and easy to gain Life Force. They can also kite with ease thanks to being able to switch between melee and range.

This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.

torment is no defensive ability, cripple neither, easy life force?!? wat? ds goes on cooldown, so if u are pressured for example by a thief ds is on cd quickly then u have some life force, but still d\on cd and then u are dead because u have no defensive abilityes. no plock, spectralwal has a massive cd, spectral armor same, so does spectral walk and most of the other utilities. if thief or war pressures u u die and cant escape. with my mes i have similar problems but at least i can blink away

Kiba.9701:

selan.8354:

Kiba.9701:

This must be a joke. Right now the Mesmer is my favorite proffesion specially because the different specs it can run and still be viable. I wont say it is UP or OP, but I can say he doesnt need a buff. The only thing I could ask for is to fix our bugs so I can enjoy even more the proffesion and if in the future it actually needs a buff do it without to many problems.

in a 1v1 or roaming situation, i know u are right. i eouldnt mind giving up some of our dueling abilities to get some team and large group viable abilities. op didnt say up like this. we are great in 1v1’s but in a zerg situation we lack a lot. as a light armor we should not be forced into a dueling role as dueling roles are medium armor specs and not light. look at thief! thats a duelist. a mes is light armor, so we need aoe and not ai. and yes we will not get any buffs ever because mesmer does fin in spvp. anet only balances around 1v1 spvp so mes weill only get a little tweak here and there and stay veilbot until anet nerfs veil and then we will be not part of large group fights anymore and stuck as boring roaming annoyance unless anet decides to split wvwv and spvp balance again.

I have to disagree with you there. We have 2 weapons with 1200 range and enough utlity to support our zerg in WvW if that’s what we wanna do. We are not even close to have the problems that Thieves deal with in WvW. They are as good roamers as us but in zergs they don’t even have a weapon with more of 900 range when every other proffesion have at least one with 1200 range. And what do they do in a zerg when there is no physical confrontation? Try to get in range to hit their SB skills and get almost killed in the process or wait for a fight that may never happen. And I know this because I’m not only a Mesmer player but aThief too.

As I said before, we as Mesmers have a lot of specs, going from dps to controll or support, and we are completely viable doing it. We can do damage from distance, putting conditions or just flat damage. We may not have as much invisibility skills as a Thief but what we lack in number we compensate in quallity (I’m looking at you Prismatic Understanding).

We may not have the AoE of an Elementalist, the range of a Ranger, or the vitality of a Warrior, but we have the best deception skills in the game and we are probably the best duelist profession, not for nothing we have a trait line called Dueling.

sry but a thief has clusterbomb which he can spam and it does a ton of dmg, plus u can gank all enemy casters while being a medium armor class. im not saying thief doesnt need buffs in the zerg area. it does need buffs too. but so does mes. being forced to be a support with veil, tw, feedback(which isnt that effective anymore due to the zergs being mainly war/guard that dont use projectiles) and nullfield which is not fun imo. im doing alright in gvg’s, but then again im only there because they need the veil and tw, because any other class can replace `the mes easily:

boonstrip: necro
ganking, dueling: thief
aoe: ele, necro
condi removal: ele, shout war, necro
dps: warrior, thief, ele, necro
boons: guardian, warrior
cc: warrior, guardian, ele

GWEN is ruling wvw atm, so the other classes need boosts to be part of it. i would rather gve up some of those dueling abilities and traits for aoe and more teamplay abilities. i dont wanna be a roamer only or a veilbot same as i think thief should have an option to get more aoe abilities in zerg fights if he wants to or a ranger having the opportunity to be part of the zerg without the pet.

Kiba.9701:

This must be a joke. Right now the Mesmer is my favorite proffesion specially because the different specs it can run and still be viable. I wont say it is UP or OP, but I can say he doesnt need a buff. The only thing I could ask for is to fix our bugs so I can enjoy even more the proffesion and if in the future it actually needs a buff do it without to many problems.

in a 1v1 or roaming situation, i know u are right. i eouldnt mind giving up some of our dueling abilities to get some team and large group viable abilities. op didnt say up like this. we are great in 1v1’s but in a zerg situation we lack a lot. as a light armor we should not be forced into a dueling role as dueling roles are medium armor specs and not light. look at thief! thats a duelist. a mes is light armor, so we need aoe and not ai. and yes we will not get any buffs ever because mesmer does fin in spvp. anet only balances around 1v1 spvp so mes weill only get a little tweak here and there and stay veilbot until anet nerfs veil and then we will be not part of large group fights anymore and stuck as boring roaming annoyance unless anet decides to split wvwv and spvp balance again.

Illusions.3108:

mesmer took a hit when we lost confusion since it was a biggy for underwater. One thing id like to see is conditons removed and hexes returned.

Cactus.2710:

selan.8354:

Belenwyn.8674:

In my eyes Arenanet needs to install different variances for Europe and NA. In Europe the new match making system works fine introducing decent variations of matchups, whilst in NA it causes stagnation and boredome.

The spread in Europe between 1 and 24 is around 880 points. In NA we have over 1100 points. This should already show that both continents need different equations for the match making.

yeah very true.it is soo boring facing the same servers over and over

To be honest, I’ve never understood that comment. Sure … you may be facing the same server over and over again but not likely the same players all the time, and certainly not if there are different groups fighting on the map. I’ll bet that if we didn’t see server names very few of us would really know whether you were fighting the same server or not from week to week. All this talk about boring rematches strikes me as being way more imaginary than real. The only boring aspect is if you are on one side or the other of a badly unbalanced match each week.

? wat. u think after 6weeks the same server u will be facinf different players? u run into the same guilds over and over. u know already that they will run in a tower and build 3 sup acs. how is that imaginary? u know when u meet another guild, that they will try to gank you backline in the first push. u know that the othe guild has 3 glass cannon eles that will try to metorshower alll at the same time, etc. it is stale and boring

xev.9476:

phantomlord.3417:

Get off the wall and come open field fight

For real. Drop the idea that you need to AoE from the safety of a tower and get out and push.

yeah sure lets push out with the 10 people vs that awesome 50 man zerg

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

You ignore all the buffs and changes other classes have gotten, all the improved condition removal and everything as well.

If another class gets a buff and you do, that is depending on the buff and your build a nerf, for example – Diamond Skin change for Ele, that affects EVERY condition build in the game. Hurts Necromancers more due to the direct damage difference between say a Condi Necro and a Condi Mesmer

and how many of them “buffs” were actually FIXES….

LumAnth.5124:

I definitely miss my gw1 Mesmer. They were more inclined about punishment, interrupts and denial. They were back line professions at most (unless you played a wacky illusionary weaponry build)

I also like the Mesmer here too (a lot actually!) But I feel sometimes I’m not even playing a Mesmer. The Mesmer I know won’t let you use your skills just freely. The Mesmer here is more like a psychic duelist. Using clones, phantasm to trick enemies. Gw1 mesmers never really “tricked” anyone. They weren’t tricksters but we’re punishers.

I think they (Anet) put the name “Mesmer” to appeal to fans (like me lol) in but completely recreated their whole….. Well everything. They could have just as easily called us the “Duelist” or “Trickster” and decide to put in Mesmer lore/some skills much like they did to the assassin -> thief or paragon/monk -> Guardian.

To be honest I started my Mesmer in gw2 because I had a Mesmer main in the previous game. Now that it’s been more than a year with my Mesmer (gw2) as my main, I really love the play style.

yep agreed, the only problem i have is that a duelist is usually a medium armor preofession and not light armor. the gw1 mes would have made the perfect 3rd light armor class in in gw2. the aoe punisher class. now the warrior is more the one that can lock everyone down and the mes has a fe phantasms that go poof in a large fight while trying to not get murderer by melee. id be fine with no swifness if i had aoe that wasnt ai related. we are a little bit of a fake medium class. we got pets and are duelists….. i miss gw1 mes a lot. 100 times better than a stupid support tw/veilbot

JETWING.2759:

selan.8354:

JETWING.2759:

silentnight warrior.2714:

selan.8354:

JETWING.2759:

selan.8354:

Amir.1570:

Mesmers who cry about Warriors “taking less skill” are BAD PLAYERS who are all mechanics and have zero logic. Those classes are both brainless and I do agree that Warrior is the better class when you are good at this game.

However, to say Warrior is more brainless than Mesmer when those two classes spam invulnerability while cleaving is ignorant. Plain ignorant.

lol mesmer brainless? play one?try to survive the cc meta and the long cooldowns. pu is strong but its defensive and yes very annoying, but i have no problems fighting other pu builds, because i know how they move i know their cooldowns, i know which is the real mes and i know the weak spots.
btw if they use blink well thats a cooldown right there so after the first 2 invis (1 torch, 2 decoy) those are on cooldown, then massinvis long long cooldown and long animation if they use portal, well 90 sec cooldown right there. u gotta be quick and smart if u wanna be a good mes otherwise u just die …a looot!

Then i hit on the fly
But i don’t use my Decoy before the time, o wait some cc to use.

And yes, Mesmer have team weight. He can dps, distract the enemy, heal, buff and clean allies, all this in this build.

I am doing well with him, later i ll post some pictures

wat?
buff my allies, how?
clean allies?!?! with what?
heal allies? how?

can u link me the build so i get what u are talking about? im really confused right now.
and what do u mean with hit on the fly?

He must be talking about this build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsaRlwzipXUTiGZ9IypHJnzNdkU0asWJF82FC-TsAg0CnIwRhjDHDOScs4M+YZxECA

I dont have many problems fighting in points with that even being a berserker. When the point is loaded with condition i usualy fight outside with phantasms, kill and then cap. Its a very good build.

This:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWl4zipHQzoGb9IipHBnvBcnUAdOXJF42FC-TsAgyCqImRNjbGzMyZszM+Y9xMCA

I am not mastered in Mesmer yet
I tried this build and did well roaming and helping team allies. But i had problems with necros

Oh are self cleanse

well this build is pretty much a support build and nothing else u got little to no power (1600power is nothing), no toughness and no condition dmg….. this build is pretty weak imo.

Isn’t a dueling build, but i am doing well with him
Is a variation of PU build, but giving some attention to team play and mobility.
If i enter in combat i can stack might to increase power and cond dmg. Also i can stack illusions to shatter (mind wrack or diversion) or let them be killed or replaced.
Actually i am using Nullfield, Blink and Decoy as utility.
- Stats isn’t all, i personally prefer skills.

I improved the build to this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWl4zKqHVTmGb9IipHBnvBcnUAdOXJF42FC-TsAgyCqImRNjbGzMyZszMEZJyMCA
I ll change sigil accuracy for another thing.

I am open to suggestions

1700 power and such terrible toughness and no condi dmg. why centaur rune? u dont need swiftness in spvp, nor does the extra bleeding help u as u are not specced for condi either. why on earth would u use carrion combined with rampanger? u got no precision, no crit, pretty mediocre power no condi no toughness.
now what would u like to use for attack?if its power, do not use terrible carrion. you are a glassy as a glass cannon might aswell go full berserk with that. then u got 2k power and precision and crit dmg and same toughness.

Belenwyn.8674:

In my eyes Arenanet needs to install different variances for Europe and NA. In Europe the new match making system works fine introducing decent variations of matchups, whilst in NA it causes stagnation and boredome.

The spread in Europe between 1 and 24 is around 880 points. In NA we have over 1100 points. This should already show that both continents need different equations for the match making.

yeah very true.it is soo boring facing the same servers over and over

azizul.8469:

yeah, take your pick, variety vs balanced….

i always pick balanced match up, unless ANET introduce map cap reduction, only then they can reintroduce the “variety” match ups….

in the current state of WvW, variety means stomping or get stomped…..

variety. i dont mind getting destroyed by t1. at least we get to fight different guilds

Shonie.5297:

This is getting a little silly…
Maybe the matchups were a little silly before the change… but can we at least have a happy medium instead of going from extreme to extreme.
3rd week of the same matchup… pretty sure SoS/YB/SBI are a little tired of each other with no end in sight. YB and SBI been in the same matchup for like 8 out of 9 weeks.

yeah fa and tc are already hating eachother again… and we almost had a normal relationship with them. now its just annoying. 6 weeks we aced tc now in a row and there is like no end to it. are we gonna be stuck now till 2015?

yeah same color, same matchup. this is making me wanna quit for the whole week. im sick and tired of the 2 servers we are facing.

seriously same servers over and over and over again. no one asked for this and this is absolutely terrible. this is not fun its stale and plain boring. please anet fix this its terrible. change it back i cant stand the same matchup for the next 17 weeks. please just change this now!!!!!!!

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

You are seriously implying Necromancers need buffs in any aspect of the game besides PvE? I asked you earlier what Necromancers problems were and you never said anything.

The problem is simply that we have NO means of escape against any decent player, sure can kill people but what happens when the odds turn against us?

Mesmer and Thief have stealth
Warrior has insane mobility, mobility, healing (signet)
Ele have mobility and healing
Guardian as stated not really played them so cant comment
Ranger – Decent mobility but again not really played them so dont know much else
Engineer has mobility, healing, immunity

what does the Necromancer have?
DeathShroud – like that will save us.
Spectral Armor – 7seconds of Pro on 60 second cool down? Meh

EVERYONE knows that you can beat Necromancers with stuns, interrupts, knockbacks and such thanks to our VERY limited/highly costing Stability – 3 seconds of stability for 30 trait points? Lol

We also have pretty much no chance of catching a runner, unless we get VERY lucky with Dark Path and as stated by others it is NOT “amazing” and IS very buggy, Spectral Armor is another but suffers the same issues

We are by no means anywhere near balanced and we have plenty of issues , the ones above being top of the list among things like useless traits and such

very much agree with this. i main a mesmer, but i made a necro because i was getting tired of veilbotting. it is good for aoe in zergs, but no escape and no stability makes it hard in this terrible cc meta. on my mes i can at least blink away…

Nausicca.6038:

selan.8354:

that would maybe get me away from being THE veilbot

Or just get away from the zerg
Small group + gc shatter = lot of fun

Back on topic, there’s no “best” wvw class. It’s all about good players vs average/bad ones.

im not a zergling if this is what u mean, but in the tier im in we face mainly large groups and yes there are big zergs everywhere in kitten. im running with a zergbusting group, so yeah…im a veilbot if on my mes.

JETWING.2759:

silentnight warrior.2714:

selan.8354:

JETWING.2759:

selan.8354:

Amir.1570:

Mesmers who cry about Warriors “taking less skill” are BAD PLAYERS who are all mechanics and have zero logic. Those classes are both brainless and I do agree that Warrior is the better class when you are good at this game.

However, to say Warrior is more brainless than Mesmer when those two classes spam invulnerability while cleaving is ignorant. Plain ignorant.

lol mesmer brainless? play one?try to survive the cc meta and the long cooldowns. pu is strong but its defensive and yes very annoying, but i have no problems fighting other pu builds, because i know how they move i know their cooldowns, i know which is the real mes and i know the weak spots.
btw if they use blink well thats a cooldown right there so after the first 2 invis (1 torch, 2 decoy) those are on cooldown, then massinvis long long cooldown and long animation if they use portal, well 90 sec cooldown right there. u gotta be quick and smart if u wanna be a good mes otherwise u just die …a looot!

Then i hit on the fly
But i don’t use my Decoy before the time, o wait some cc to use.

And yes, Mesmer have team weight. He can dps, distract the enemy, heal, buff and clean allies, all this in this build.

I am doing well with him, later i ll post some pictures

wat?
buff my allies, how?
clean allies?!?! with what?
heal allies? how?

can u link me the build so i get what u are talking about? im really confused right now.
and what do u mean with hit on the fly?

He must be talking about this build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsaRlwzipXUTiGZ9IypHJnzNdkU0asWJF82FC-TsAg0CnIwRhjDHDOScs4M+YZxECA

I dont have many problems fighting in points with that even being a berserker. When the point is loaded with condition i usualy fight outside with phantasms, kill and then cap. Its a very good build.

This:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsfWl4zipHQzoGb9IipHBnvBcnUAdOXJF42FC-TsAgyCqImRNjbGzMyZszM+Y9xMCA

I am not mastered in Mesmer yet
I tried this build and did well roaming and helping team allies. But i had problems with necros

Oh are self cleanse

well this build is pretty much a support build and nothing else u got little to no power (1600power is nothing), no toughness and no condition dmg….. this build is pretty weak imo.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

JayAction.9056:

selan.8354:

second worst: mes
why: ai, squishy, lack of aoe, balanced on 1v1

How’s that acid trip feeling brah?

I agree with everything she said, think she meant that its balanced AROUND 1v1 which is pretty accurate. The AI can be very iffy at times and dodging in combat near NPCs is a nightmare for pulling them.

They are rather squishy in Zergs, but that comes with the territory of having stealth and alot of movement skills.

Feedback rocks and personally i think its the BEST AoE skill in the game. It is even funny when i am DOWNED from just using that. The other AoE are rather meh in my opinion

;-) feedback used to be stronger, but there is not that much to reflect if everyone is running war. but i still use it all the time…kinda habit as i used to run glam mes. i would love to give up some of my ai and get more aoe like feedback, that arent phantasm or shatter based.
that would maybe get me away from being THE veilbot

JayAction.9056:

selan.8354:

second worst: mes
why: ai, squishy, lack of aoe, balanced on 1v1

How’s that acid trip feeling brah?

erm i didnt mean it is balanced like in gameplay. mes was balanced by anet in a 1v1 situation=spvp balance. in spvp mes does well in 1v1 we do very well, but classes like rangers,thieves and mes should be better balanced for wvw zerg situations. came across wrong…and dont call me brah!