Guild Wars 2

Deim Hunir.8503:

That’s the thing that makes me sad. I actually could have lived with this fix if atleast beforehand they would have fixed the crazy pathing issues this skill has. I mean it fails to activate way too often on certain terrains… and it’s been over 2 years with this problem persisting and something tells me it’s not gonna get fixed for a long time still.
The bugs on the mesmer are just becoming flat out annoying after playing it over 2 years.

yeah the main thing that bugs me is that we have soooo many ai related bugs and before they even fix them they make a change to ileap that noone has really complained about. just fix the bugs

lol no we dont we use necros thief squad and maybe 1 mes for veil at the start in a lot of guild that are good in gvg. and im in tier 2 so yeah. thief>mes. maybe in 20v20 u can afford 2 mes but in 15v15 u use maaaaybe 1 mes and 2 thieves a couple of eles and the rest is heavy train. but honestly engi is taking over the ganking in gvg’s lately way more with the thieves.

nope they all play war thief,engi. i ve seen only 1 anet tag with a mes in pve and when i whispered him he confirmed that mes was in a bad state with all the bugs. how about toolfixes and further nerfs actually fixing the bugs in this very thread? who cares about mimic?do we even use it on regular bases?noooo we dont! we use iwarden though and blick and aaaaaal the things mentioned here

lol trust me i played mes in gvg in wvw in every single game mode and i have played them pretty much since headstart. sorry but there is barely anything left from what mes used to be. and no we dont even use mes anymoer in gvg’s. once ina while they want a shatter mes but thats it.everything else mes is going bottom of bottom. if they would at least fix the bugs then id see the light….

yeah neglected is the right word for this combined with nerfed to the ground of the grounds. i personally have given up on this class. devs hate this class and destroyed any form of viability we had left. terrible in wvw, boring veilbot duty,0 aoe , 0 ways to keep dmg pressure up, 100 bugs…..no fixes only nerf after nerf!!

great ilieap confirmed absolutely useless in wvw now. why not just remove the class and start a new one from scratch. this one is beyond broken and all we get is nerf after nerf because of a 1v1 encounter with new players……

i am not hating my mes, but i am just so fed up with the veilbot duty and the bugs that i needed a break. i leveled a necro . trust me leveling a new character can help u enjoy the game again if u are fed up with mes.

deepwinter.9015:

Jaxs.5830:

Given how poorly setup your maps are, the fact that it takes you a year is just sad. EotM is a bunch of floating islands, how does that take a year to develop? Seems like your system is flawed.

yanniell.1236:

Yep. Even with just ONE guy, working on it 4 hours a day, 1 year is just too much. It’s like u guys don’t have a GUI-based system and have to code the whole map from scratch…

Said the kids who’ve never once used 3D modeling software, developed a AAA title, or worked for a video game company. You both are going to be very surprised at how a real career works once you stop working at McDonalds or your local movie theater.

yeah agree. im programming too and trust me even 2d takes a looot of time. 3d is a whole other thing and does take a lot of time. 1 year is long but i rather have non exploitable maps and keeps than a rushed design. i think maybe they could redesign our keeps first so we got a little something while they work on new maps.
also meanwhile how about class balance wvw a little more GWEN still ruling TREM still not really needed at all….

yeah my guild split up to forming a new one ….stale matchup just kills the fun. i havent logged in much for a week now. just log in getting daylies and log out, cause the same matchup over and over with the same guilds u fight over and over the same blobs….also new maps would be important or at least new keeps(keep redesign) and towers…just something.. the bloodlust capping looks nice, but doesnt do it for me and noone is ever there….

agreed. i only play wvw and ai is terrible. glamour nerf really destroyed the wvw mes. ever since alll we did get was bugs, tooltip fixes, more 1v1 stuff and ai related stuff. we dont need more clones, we dont need more ai. we need way less ai and more other skills that have nothing to do with ai.
in wvw rangers are not wanted for the same reason, too much ai dependancy and 1v1 stuff. necro can choose to not use minions and so should mes have at least 1 build that isnt ai heavy and glamour was exactly that!

did anyone test this with the bonus defender?that would be a major one actually. ill have to check that this week.

Simonoly.4352:

Both suggestions by Ross are great.

Invulnerability window on phantasm summon sounds good, but it should only be applied to Phantasmal Berserker and end immediately after the first attack. I just don’t like the idea of duellists and Wardens being invulnerable for the durations of their long attacks as that would definitely have an adverse effect on smaller encounters. However, Berserker has a short attack duration and is almost never killed before attacking anyway in small encounters, so would be fine for this buff. It would be nice to see the AoE phantasm actually perform its tasks in larger battles.

I’d happily see Crippling Dissipation replaced with a direct damage on clone death trait.

hm definitely a better aoe option for shatters and clonedeath. i dont think phantasms are the solution at all. if shatters want to be more viable, then we need a way to viable shatter in groupfights without having to spec into ip. maybe make clones invul when they go for the shatter. u can still dodge them though, but at least they would reach the target.
i still think though we need something non ai in order to be viable in raids.

blitzkrieg.2451:

selan.8354:

omg ignore darnis please he doesnt get it!
ok baaaack on the topic!!!

i think the idea of clonedeath dealing aoe dmg is not bad as our phantasms get bashed quiet often in the middle of a zerg, but there needs to be other options than ai. our ai is buggy and the only phantasm that is good for such a thing as clonedeath would be the zerker and swordsman all the others are around u wich means u would have to go too close to the zerg in order for the aoe to trigger right. clones in general die often as they spawn so yeah we need a non ai option here.

lets see:
well a new glam trait could help
mimic rework into something new maybe
illusion of live rework
a trait turning mantras into something groundtargetable
just something… something non ai which u can spec for if u play wvw.
glam was good cause it was non ai,had high risk cause no condi cleanse, less toughness, no stealth, no power, but it was our only true wvw build. thats where anet destroyed the wvw mes with a nerf that is 50% less dmg plus icd…. now we need a non ai wvw aoe oriented build back.

Actually pink puma is an extremely good mesmer and knows what he/she is talking about. but yea, continue to ignore logic and continue on.

blitz/darnis. like i said i dont care at all if he is good or not, this is not the discussion here. i dont care about spvp or tpvp performance nor do i care about anyones playstile or skill. i care about this thread that is about mesmers big isue atm called aoe. and fay and many others have brought up some valid points and good ideas, so can we please stay on the topic?

omg ignore darnis please he doesnt get it!
ok baaaack on the topic!!!

i think the idea of clonedeath dealing aoe dmg is not bad as our phantasms get bashed quiet often in the middle of a zerg, but there needs to be other options than ai. our ai is buggy and the only phantasm that is good for such a thing as clonedeath would be the zerker and swordsman all the others are around u wich means u would have to go too close to the zerg in order for the aoe to trigger right. clones in general die often as they spawn so yeah we need a non ai option here.

lets see:
well a new glam trait could help
mimic rework into something new maybe
illusion of live rework
a trait turning mantras into something groundtargetable
just something… something non ai which u can spec for if u play wvw.
glam was good cause it was non ai,had high risk cause no condi cleanse, less toughness, no stealth, no power, but it was our only true wvw build. thats where anet destroyed the wvw mes with a nerf that is 50% less dmg plus icd…. now we need a non ai wvw aoe oriented build back.

ermm could we stay on the topic? i dont care what rank u are. topic here is to make mesmer viable in raids which we arent atm. we need aoe dmg again in some way and i still dont thing ai will ever provide that. we need a change to our glamours or a buff to confusion or something that helps us in wvw. spvp is not the issue, we are good at 1v1 and thats about it.

honestly we need non ai aoe as our ai get broken way to often.so yeah i would like to be able to trait for non ai aoe in a way. glamour was strong as it was pretty much our only non ai build out there and it was extreemly powerful in wvw. i wish we could get something like this back. anet overreacted with the nerf as they sisnt realize that they destroyed our only aoe build we had. now i play mainly necro as i really love wvwv and no utility bot is not fun at all. on my necro i am not forced to use minions, im also not forced to be condi. i go full power and have tons of aoe. thats what the mes is lacking an option to spec for a zerg situation. we need traits that allow us to deal more dmg to multiple targets and not just 1 single one. also our dmg sustain is quiet bad if we dont have like 2 phantasms out. stop the ai dependancy and mes can actually shine again.
i mean look at it …most of our bugs are ai related. then let me at least spec around it. give me a wvw build.
how about going into the direction of punisher instead of veilbot?
hexes for example…something like that. or something that changes glamours or turns our clones into something else …just stop the ai!

honestly scepter 2 is fine the way it is. its one of those skills i reallly really like and that saved my life many times.please leave it the way it is.

Swish.2463:

It’s funny when I worked on a write up for a CDI for weeks and none of you so much as made a post, but this is enough for you all to start throwing ideas around like Anet will listen..

You wanna fix mesmer for Gw2? You go back to the drawing board at this point. Anet has a terrible design Idea behind them that’s not only extremely vague but goes face first into the wall of “Things we don’t want to have in our game or balance around in our game” .

Illusions, its a neat idea. it would be fun to have 1 per weapon and maybe the rest be tied to utilities and then Have our shatters removed and replaced with something else.

It would be neat if we didn’t have neutered damage because there is a Possibility that we might maybe sometimes have 1 or 2 phantasms out.

It would be nice if most of our traits worked and didn’t take 5 patches to “fix” the same bug..

It would be nice to Play a completely different Mesmer in this game.

But I’ve given up hope of Anet ever looking this direction and Reassessing the kitten ups they’ve made. This is the game we get, this is the class we get, these are the problems we must deal with and work around EVERY DAY just to play it…

But onward with Scarlet’s Legacy (which is the neglect of EVERY other part of the game) Cause that’s what Anet says is best for the game.

i actually do agree with a lot you mentioned here.eventhough anet mentioned what their vision is is still kinda vague. what on earth is a ranged 1v1 class? and when they atarted listing the things we are weak at at least 1 guy added that illusions are actually an issue in wvw… we got too many weaknesses and aoe should definitely not be one of them as a lightarmor class. i mean in gw1 the role was clear. mesmer punishes u for pretty much every thing u do. if u dont attack or if u attack,if u move if u cast all of that. mesmer was the perfect lockdown and this is what mes lacks. even out lockdown builds arent even 10% of what a war can do or a thief with immobilize and stunlock and perma interrupts. chaos storm is pretty much our only untraited aoe sorta skill and its a complete joke imo! no dmg, rng condis…..
yes, mes need redesign because the whole illusions and all that is simply limiting this class. i dont mind having a whole traitline for illusions like the necro has a minion trait line and minion skills, but we are so bound to our illusions that its limiting our build diversity. id rather have a little less illusion traits and shatter traits and maybe something non ai we can spec into like a necro can spec into power or condi without minions.
but yes if at least all our bugs where fixed(which btw are mostly ai related), at least combat wouldnt be soo much of a pain…

Ross Biddle.2367:

“Strong 1v1 damage dealer” is redundant. Reason being because there’s no 1v1 in this game. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, that there’s not solo roamers, or the occurrence of 1v1’s over a cap point. But if you review it, solo roaming is redundant serving very little purpose, and in both instances “1v1’s” last as long as it takes for them to be interrupted by incoming adds.

Worst still is that, if we are a 1v1 damage dealing class our design has some serious flaws. We have high mobility (portal achieves this apparently), but bad landspeed. What good is a 1v1 damage dealer who can’t keep up with a warrior to apply said damage? Engies and thieves are the same.

Warriors may not have portal, or even a blink. Thieves with a sword however have portal on a very short cd, and yet get to retain all their “go to” mobility (aka landspeed). Portal takes up a utility slot and has a huge cooldown, and because of that mesmer misses out on landspeed?

Anet you’re blind to your own design. If you want to hang us up on portal then make it user only and spammable like Infiltrator’s Strike, then unlock the perma swiftness and gap openers galore.

couldnt agree more with this.
1. claiming portal helps movement speed is just wrong.its an escape sorta mechanism for pvp more than for any other game mode. in pve…u wouldnt use it unless u are portaling someone to a vista. and in wvw its not like u always know when u tun into a blob that u had the portal already put down somewhere in range. portal is very situational and is mainly used for golems in wvw. portalbombs arent realy effective anymore cause 1 there is a massie lagspike for a few seconds if it happens and 2 most of u spot that portal coming from a mile away and actually can destroy u the moment u take that portal.

1v1? there is no real dueling mode in this game and that is true. in spvp maps are small and lots of teams will actually rather zerg or 2v1 than 1v1 a mes.also in pretty much every game i played every mesmer kind of class that has clones or anything like it is either medium armor class or is lightarmor and does have a good aoe dmg. we are not asking for meteorshowers we need aoe dmg in general as almost every weapon hits only 1 target where as almost every other class has an aoe option..

now thief on the other hand is like a stronger burstier spammier version of the mesmer. in wvw i play now mainly a necro cause mes is just not viable for me anymore. i meet 3 ganker types that chase me around in the backline and its mes,engi and thief. mes ill just ds and fear them away while i simply just go closer to my frontline so the mes ai will die in 2 hits in our aoe. thief is a tougher one, cause they can burst me in seconds so i gotta have my fears on ds off cd and be quick. engi can destroy me very quickly too with their condi and cc spam.

fact is u cant balance around 1v1 ina any game. every class can be good at 1v1, but every class should have an option to spec for a massive battle. i should have my non ai aoe builds cause every single trait and skill that revolves around ai is not there in a wvw zerg fight. remeber when mes lost all clones the moment target went into stealth bug? yeah thats what wvw is…no illusions. so now we do need multi target options and anet stated we are ranged…lol we are not really.

om my mes in wvw zergfight i mean imagine u cast berserker phantasm…great range right? well u cast it it hits 2 targets boom its dead…now what? well start 111111,2,11111,2,11111, yay phantasm up 4, phantasm failed due to cc and aoe, 111111,2….so then u got youre weaponswap…hmm we got staff hmm maybe not the best but heyyy got chaos storm which deal rng condis but im power based so it deal very very bad aoe dmg. so what else u got?image….oh wel hits 1 target once in a while but also fails often cause its a small projectile and targets do move around u know. then there is mh sword…great u can defend yourself vs gankers but useless vs zerg cause u would have to go close..ileap fails 90% of th time, mh aa is slow and pretty bad in wvw so all u got is bf or maybe if u are lucky ileap bf combo yay….and then what? u cant sustain dmg at all. whatu wanna utility feedback warrior? well ugot your offhand…ok torch phantasm bad dmg and to slow so target already recovered from your combo, your clones all died in aoe u got no ip trait and all u can do is stealth. meanwhile the target healed…gg? start over?my problem in wvw is i can hit something hard but then im on cooldown and target recovers. i cant keep pressure up.
with my necro ill use wells,ds, axe, marks…etc and have consitent damg output on my mes its a whoooole setting up for 1 big spike and then looong nothing.

the devs should really look closely at the gw1 mes. let gw2 mes be more punishing. get just a touch of gw1 mes glory back. less 1v1 please. gw1 was not a 1v1 duelist pet class at all. i mean yes we got utility, but these shouldnt be the only thing we can do. veilbot is very boring gameplay atm mes only brings stealth a little bit of boonstrip and some ports and reflects…..on extreem cooldowns and deal no dmg whatsoever……so why on earth would i bring a mes in wvw, where i can deal no dmg, no tags, no rewards, no kills, just a stupid veil?illlusions?lol!misdirections? 1v1 ranged dmg dealer?lol we have to go close to even deal dmg or do u thing spamming 111111 on gs is fun? so yeah idk but look at how many weaknesses they pointed out:

condi cleanse
lightarmor class
problems with illusions in groupfights
lack of aoe
may i add noooo stability!!!!

yes we can stealth, but only if we use those utilities which we will need the slots for other utilities…if they really really looked at the gw1 mes then they would see that gw2 mes is not even close to what mes was there. not even 10%. if u want gw2 mes to improve, make us the punishing class like mes used to be. not a 1v1 duelist pet class that cant deal any aoe dmg in a group.

well as a wvw player my observations are:

war:used to be sorta vulnerable vs condis, now almost immune. cc is wayyyyyyyy tooo dominant in wvw, u get stunlocked for 5-8 seconds and that means death in a zerg. war is too tough for the dmg they are putting out . so maybe there should be 3 builds:bunker, less dmg, dps, less condi cleanse less toughness, less hp, and the cc war, which shouldnt deal such dmg…mobility is way too high for a heavy armor class imo. so there should be some downsides as a war too not just faceroll your keyboard and win.

mes: has only 2 functions atm: veil and portal, otherwise u are forced to be a roamer. lacks aoe, lacks out of combat speed, has no real wvw or group builds, has no clear role, is more and more pushed into an ai class ony, has no dmg sustain, has bad condi cleanse, has little to no stability….
now what i would like to see:
mes has an option to spec for wvw raids and has a stronger punishing role in form of aoe like gw1 mes had. mes can slow and manipulate mindless zerglings for example. less clones, less ai based traits, give us non ai stuff as u guys stated before u dont see mes as a pet class, but atm it is, cause there arent any other options. like the necro can spec for minions but doesnt have to the mess should be able to spec for aoe that is non ai based. ai in wvw is terrible.

ranger:still has no clear role in wvw. they maybe snipe a few people and have a few aoe options, but omg the longbow war outshines the ranger by far. shouldnt be the case though. ranger should be the master of bow skills!

thief:best ganker and has actually a role in a zerg. too many evades though and stealth is still a little too much, but at least they are beatable!

ele: i understand the ele in spvp needed a buff, the wvw ele doesnt. they are meta, staffeles are very very very important. i dont think they are op in wvw but their meteorshowers are extreeemly powerful and their healing is great too, so please no wvw ele buffs or u will create a monster like the warrior.

Lishtenbird.2814:

We want to get all classes on the same playing field, and we want to avoid “whack-a-mole” style balance.

2. Please stop balancing mesmers solely around PvP.

• We may be good for annoying newbies with PU and clones, but…
• We are veilbots in zergs in WvW (thus 1-2 mesmers is enough), even though we want to tag for bags.
• Our illusions die before they can tag anything in facerolling and AoE-spam PvE – we lack AoE damage. We also cannot cast illusions fast enough on “Invulnerable!” mobs before they melt.
• We are generally locked into Traveler’s runes because we lack speed signet/OoC trait and our blink/focus swiftness are broken, even though you say that “They share some of the stealth and mobility that the Thief enjoys, but suffer from a low health pool if you get past all their tricks.”
• Traits are made lackluster on purpose or rapidly nerfed not to allow even a slightest advantage (which, incidentally, is a purpose of a trait!) in PvP. Grandmaster traits such as Power Block are useless in PvE/WvW – as well as most grandmaster traits anyway, including new ones. The notorious glamour nerf. “Vigor on crit” nerfed because of PvP (“too much clone spam, cheesy mesmers, no more dodge for you!”), leaving PvE/WvW mesmers with even less defence tricks. Power Block “bugs” which made them at least viable against thieves and bosses in dungeons got hotfixed nerfed. Triumphants distortion got ninja-nerfed with an internal cooldown, even though advertised as without one.

3. Pure-DPS classes vs. “utility” classes.

And remember, no single profession should be the best at everything!

• If we want “to get all classes on the same playing field”, we need to balance classes across conditions and usable utilities as well as DPS. Otherwise, we have “zerk warriors only!” in LFG and warriors melting down graveling burrows and mobs before any mesmer can even build up their phantasms or stack conditions.
• That also means that combining high mobility, high sustain and high DPS in a single class might be a class balance mistake. Example: Healing Signet, Warrior’s Sprint and multiple immunities without any extra requirements compared to Signet of Ether (needs illusions), Compounding Celerity (needs illusions) and requirements to build (and keep) up phantasms to do decent damage.

4. Balance updates should be made more often and in small steps.

HUGH increases and HUGE decreases lead to meta instability, and thusly, we try to make multiple small tweaks rather than putting in massive changes that we have to later correct.

• Instead, we see looong stages of people investing a lot into ascended Celestial just to have its crit nerfed,
• or investing a lot in overpriced Runes of Strength before those get nerfed as well, and so on.

TL;DR: “no single profession should be the best at everything” is not “one profession should be best at one thing and skritt at everything else while another one can be good at everything” – that’s my view of the balancing problems at hand.

very much agree with this. i mained a mesmer pretty much since headstart and now after all nerfs and bugs, im done as i play gw2 only for wvw atm.we need aoe non ai aoe skills, we need less 1v1 stuff, we need rework of traits and useless skills, we need more non ai attacks as this class has turned into a thief/ranger mix without enouh dps sustain. gw1 mes had it right, now gw2 mes need a little more of such skills like gw1 mes had. not clones not moer clone traits no phantasm iilusions or any of that, we need non ai aoe punishing skills like the confusion glam used to be.
and yes ples stop balancing around our spvp mes. spvp is not the whole game, there are other gamemodes that are very popular and therfor our class needs to be viable in that. veilbot is not a role at all!

well all good with mindstab fix and all, but honestly mindstab is the least of my problems on my mes which i have given up. we got no aoe, most of our skills have been either nerfed to the ground or are bugged and there is a lot of traits and skills that i think barely anyone uses. all we are is a weaker version of a thief with less survivability, less dmg, a tonof bugs and useless pets. we are light armor with no aoe, so yes mindstab needs aoe and other stuff too, cant be that the mesmer stays thi useless in wvw without anything we can contribute at all apart from veil and stupid portal and tw. thats not fun and will never be.
so yes how about bugfixes and lots of rework so this light armor class can actually be a light armor class again.
mes is way overnerfed there was no shaving like u did with warrior, it s just massive nerfs!

erm only that u cant portal people out of walls anymore.

could we get any updates from a dev if any of our bugs are worked on?

u are a mes in wvw..u die if u even look funny at and archer….. before the nerf(s) u could kill it by yourself, but like many mentioned, keep goes contested and the time a mes needs to kill something like a keep lord will probably just end with u being run over by 60 people…. better infrom the commander and portal your team in

yeah this is very very annoying now i have to get another bloodlust sigil for underwater weapon so i keep my stacks when going through water in bay for example. can this be fixed please

Cameron.6450:

Aza.2105:

no obvious animations or cast times

Come on now, the projectiles are pretty slow and the necro turns into a glowing green giant, I’m not really sure HOW it could be made any more obvious.

maybe a blinking red arrow about the necros head and a countdown of the deathly claw that is inc would help so people really see that they are in danger.

yep tons of out of range here too eventhough i am in range.

yeah i moved on to necro. maybe once no one plays this class anymore, anet will realize that they nee to fix the bugs and rework the class…but that would be wishful thinking

id say wait a few ours until we find the new bugs that came with the patch. im sure there must be at least 1 bug.

aaaand none of the important bugs have been fixed…gg

Bhawb.7408:

ammayhem.5962:

Play a Mesmer.

Then ask yourself again what class really doesn’t have a place in, well, anywhere.

Except mesmers bring a lot of utility, including some unique utility that no one else can. Far more desirable in PvE content, always have a unique place in WvW, and while they might be a bit undertuned in sPvP atm, Helseth proved they aren’t too weak when he won ToL on mesmer.

Not saying they don’t need some balancing, but Mesmer brings unique utility, and as long as that utility is useful (and it always has been at least to a degree), they will always have a unique niche to fill. Necromancers bring nothing that can’t be done by someone else except burst boon removal (the only reason you can justify necro in tPvP atm), and in WvW plague form.

yeah and there u lost me.mes maybe ok in spvp, but i gave up on my mes because it is beyond useless in wvw.so u are saying u think putting down a veil once or mayyyybe twice in fight makes a class useful in wvw? tw? portal and veil…have u actually played a veilbot?!? do u even know how kitten boring it is and how useless u feel 90% of the fights in wvw? i played and mained my mes since headstart, but with all the bug and no viable wvw builds anymore, i had to reroll.

so i made a necro. what i agree with is that necro has a hard time in spvp atm due to the heavy cc war, hambow engi meta. its not just knockdowns its immobilize and all that stuff. i played necro yesterday in spvp and the hambow wars would destroy me. so i get that frustration for sure.
in wvw however , necro is amazing and part of the meta. my powernecro is important for my teams dps, so yeah finally i feel useful again and i made necro my main!
i wouldnt recommend condi necro in wvw though as the zergs remove condis in seconds.
i deal very high aoe dmg on my necro.

and teleport skills just got worse…..
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Mesmer-teleportation-skills-broken/first#post4069635

i think ai is just too broken, because most of our bugs are ai related. something needs to be done as mes is now pretty much an ai only class.we rely on 100%functioning phantasms and clones or we are crippled greatly. iwarden should have been reverted insted of trying to force the phantasm to chase after a target. the stale iwarden was 100%reliable! so anet need to either remove big part of our ai and replace it with other functions and skills or put a lot of effort into fixing every single ai we got. otherwise this list will really go 100+/

unfortunately most of our ai is broken atm. i really hope the fix frustrating things like these soon as the class becomes more and more unplayable!

runeblade.7514:

stability

/15charr

lol and mes and necro have soooo much access to stability right?

Shadowflare.2759:

I think at this point I’ll concede and say that reducing the number of strikes is a reasonable change, however invulnerability is still not.

wat? no i dont want the numbers of stikes reduced!!!we are asking for the reverting of that nerf as in the current meta in wvw. blurred frenzy was by no means op in wvw. then revert the nerf in wvw only and not in spvp. but in wvw its needed!

no condi!!! zergs clean condis like crazy, war is almost immune to condis nowadays….power is the only way to go in zergs! i would never play my condi necro in wvw raids, i play power necro beacuse of the GWEN meta.

well, if u like wvw raids, large scale pve content,tpvp….dont go with mes. the bugs, the countless nerfs, the ai only are your big problems here. we lack aoe and group builds.
bad tagging in wvw, u are a veil/tw/portalbot
if u like dungeons and regular pve mes is pretty decent.
roaming and hotjoin mes is doing decent too…

my feeling atm though is more like Eucalyptus said….run while u still can, as anet failed to fix bugs, introduces more bugs, tries to sell bugs as buffs, fails to see mes problems,breaks something every single patch and keeps nerfing mes to the ground because all they see is the 1v1 dueling mes in spvp hotjoin.

Eucalyptus.9784:

Ahhh…. well that makes more sense. Good to know, thanks.

Edit: So THIS is the “Confusion Nerf” everyone talked about for the year I didn’t play.

yeah THIS is the nerf and it was too much for wvw at least. i understand that with perplexity confusion can still be strong for other classes(not mes, because we have a hard time to stack it), but yeah it used to be good in wvw raids. that was pretty much THE nerf that turned mes into veilbots, because now we are a pet class only.

puny.1450:

Took me numerous tries the other night to kill Subject 7 with gambits, simply because my Wardens thought it cute not to attack at all. Never been so frustrated with the game as I was in that moment

yeah same with casting it in wvw on a omega golem. before it was broken with a change that we didnt even need to be honest. i could spawn it and it was able to reflect a few of those shots right away before of course getting killed, but now it spawns, waits,moves to the golem then gets killed.iwarden is beyon repair i fear…just revert it back to the way it was.

watched tht video. the zerg really was terrible and yes on glamour u will see many numbers, but look closer and see how tiny that dmg is. on my necro i deal more than double of that and yes i have 5 people cap,but my then again im dealing way more dmg with my power well necro build. its raining lootbags and i feel important in my zergbusting guild on my necro. on my mes…. i tried glamour torment build, glam hybrids triforce and all that…the dmg output is too small, conditions get cleansed by a zerg wayyyy to quickly and due to the zergs loving to rush backline, my survivability skills are not good enough on glam mes to escape zergs like this.
see the numbers u are geting?
check what it was like before the massive nerfs happened.

yes, that dmg was too high and needed shaving, but not the nerf it got. same with blurred frenzie nerf being uncalled for.

oh well dont worrie. our bugs are gonna get fixed next year in june instead of getting buffs like all the other classes, because in anets logic bugfix=buff and active work on the class…..

well playable it is, but it depends on what u wanna go for…
wvw raids, wvw roaming, spvp, tpvp or pve?

BlackDevil.9268:

I’ve waited already 1.5 year for the meta to change in WvW for mesmer, nothing changed yet so no, I’m not gonna wait another 1 year for them to rework to a profession where it’s even more kitten.

Ok, good it does it’s job there. Sadly, sword isn’t meta in spvp because you need staff for mobility and greatsword for ranged preasure. It doesn’t do it’s job in large scale, which it should because that’s what mesmers need to become somewhat viable again without chaging the whole profession.

Shatter is designed for jumping in and out and also designed for multiple targets. Blurred frenzy, however, was designed for multiple targets to deal damage while surviving. At the moment it’s ’’designed’’ only for small scale using in thin air because it’s damage is kitten, the hits can kill you due retaliation and it can get you kittened up when used against shocking aura.

yeah i agree. after glam nerf, i felt kinda lost at first, but i am in kylia’s guild AVTR and he came up with a few ideas which we followed and kept going…but more and more nerfs hit mes hard and many lost interest..i used to be positive and hoping each patch that anet would give wvw mes something back, but no, we got more bugs and nerfs instead! it’s bee too long and now i rerolled necro and only play mes once in a while in hotjoin…..i really lost hope… the mes time waiting? we waited since the glam nerf and it will take 1 more year the way anet treats mes!

no anet doesnt listen. we gave them a massive list abut mes bugs and they even commented on it…patch day, they fix underwater bug that wasnt even on the list and fail attempts nr 5 of fixing iwarden….
we asked them to give us a viable wvw build option…..still waiting for it since confusion nerf…. mes has been veilbot ever since and all we see is toolfixes, more bugs and stil veilveilveil.
nope if u dont like what your profession does, unless u are a war go reroll. i gave up on mes as anet will never listen or help the wvw builds. they see esport and thats it. everything is balanced around 1v1 performance, thats why we got a massive cc spam in wvw, immobilize for 10 seconds without the chance to dodge,block or anything,perma interrupt, warriors insane mobility,toughness, healing,health, cc…..wvw is inbalanced because anet fails to see that it need separate balancing from spvp, but if u are TREM class player i’d recommend reroll to a GWEN.

Eucalyptus.9784:

I’m totally sincere, sorry if it comes across as a troll. I really want to like my Mesmer more than my Ele (mostly because Sunrise, lol). It just seems that the… variation?… of Ele FAR surpasses that of a Mesmer.

Looking for some things I can focus on that Mesmer’s do better, if possible.

I had even tried to come up with a viable GS/Staff Condi build but… it just didn’t work out that well. Mesmer seems very pigeon-holed.

well we are pigeon-holed. in wvw we used to be good, we used to be strong, but the nerfs made everything that was wvw related dissappear. i rerolled as mainly plat wvw and only play my mes here and there in spvp. i love my mes, but its terribad in wvw due to lack of aoe and due to the fact that gw2 mes is a pet class and ai is bad in groupfights. ele is a ton of fun in wvw and so is necro, so if u wanna reroll id recommend one of those 2. im glad, i dont have to play my veilbot in wvw during guild rallie anymore as my guild leader saw how frustrated i was with that job.
maybe ill give mes tray if the bugs are getting fixed,but i have very little hope left for this class when it comes down to wvw viable gameplay.
if u really want to play your mes though, try shatter, but not gs/staff, id recommend gs, s/focus or s/s.its tough to survive as u would wanna go glassy, but at least u get to kill some stuff.

maha.7902:

I roamed a lot more recently (this month), and it sucked. I’m not going to inflict pug zerging on myself because of how boring it is, and I’m not in a WvW guild anymore so raiding is out of the question.

yes, u roamed=1v1 1v2 1v3
roaming a little bit doesnt make u an expert of the state of mesmers in wvw at all. we fight in zergs massive battles and thats mainly what wvw is about.u gotta understand that if u do small duellike combat all the time u will have a way different pov on mesmer balance than somebody that plays in raids.
i am in a zerg busting guilds 20 vs 40+ and 90% of our fights are outnumbered. and sorry but mes is not viable atm in groupfights.

maha.7902:

I haven’t WvW raided in like a year at this point so I don’t know if ret bombing is a thing now, but my assumption (correct me if I’m wrong) is that pug zergs just yolo in and you can frenzy away but organised groups will put up the retal you love. Therefore the logical conclusion is to not use blurred frenzy against organised groups. If pug zerg use it, well I guess don’t use it at all unless you know they don’t have it up. I can’t imagine it’s that hard to resist pressing 2.

I’ve raided in WvW and I’ve roamed in WvW. Roaming was literally the most boring thing ever where you either stomped bads 1v3 or got destroyed 20v1, and raiding is just classes applying the appropriate buffs, two trains crashing in to each other, back liners trying to spike other back liners and regrouping over and over again until people start slipping up and downing. It’s not exactly the epitome of skill you make it out to be, it’s listening to a raid leader and carrying out both your role and their orders as best you can while maintaining your own survival. I learnt to play my classes much more by soloing Arah and doing sPvP than WvW. Soloing Arah and sPvP force you to learn key tells to dodge and to control your bursts properly, plus I learned my traits and their synergies inside and out.

Because mesmers are a dueling class? Did that not cross your mind? Do duelists operate in massive groups or something?

well maha, sorry but some of us have played mes since headstart of the game. first off blurred frenzy was never godmode. it actually saved u if the zerg pushed through to the backline.
fact is mes used to be good in wvw, before u probably even played the game. after all the nerfs we are now veilbots. i play wvw only. i dont do pve or fractlas or anything like that. i try it here and there, but not really my thing. problem is, that mes has received too many nerfs and no buffs while other classes have received pretty nice things. yes it does say duelist, but again mes used to be able to be viable in 1v1 and group fights. i really dont care if u like wvw or find it skilled game play. its not your thing and i get it, but this is no reason to claim mes is designed like that and mes is duelist and u gotta learn how to blurred frenzy etc. i know how bf used to work and its was not op it was a good defense and offense at the same time. anet has nerfed everything that was good in wvw and now we are asking for something back as the nerfs and buffs of other professions make mes not viable in wvw anymor. and no again veilbot is not a role nor is it fun to play.
how long have u played this game? because if u played it from the start u would understand where black devil is coming from.
i agree with him in many points he brought up and i also understand his frustration with mes. i have stopped playing my mes since the last patch and now main my necro because this class is full of bugs, overnerfs and gets no attention from the devs whatsoever.
u play mainly pve and maybe some spvp by the sound of it, but bf is mainly affecting wvw mes defense. fact is u will not understand where black devil is coming from, because u dont play wvw the way we do. i only play wvw and im really unhappy with the mes the way it is. all the nerfs were too much and after not getting anything back or anything new that could help wvw mes ive decided to bench it. i dont know but it might will take years until mes will ever get good in wvw again as i have lost faith in anet.