Guild Wars 2

yeah so all they did is try to fix a few bugs, braking other stuff and not giving us anything. REALLY ANET? hello dev could u at least try to understand this class and actually put work into this class?
since glamour all we saw was nerf after nerf after nerf and increase of bugs, nothing has been given back to us to make us viable in wvw…all other classes got attention. we get bug fies and now we have to wait for another 6-10 months till anything gets maybe done for mesmers…ugh im done with mesmer!im tired of veilbot and tired of being useless in wvw, tired of the bugs.
this class used to be awesome, not there is nothing left! ill go warrior ele and necro now. i wanna actually have fun in wvw and not be a servant!!!

Jackums.3496:

Warrior, Ele, Engi.

Thieves and Necros will be good.

Rangers will be mediocre.

Mesmers will be the new Eles.

yep agreed. mesmers will not get anything apart from long overdue bugfixes and useless not well though out gm traits. meanwhile ele war and engi will dominate….
rangers position unchanged and necro thief the usual….

marquez.7182:

selan.8354:

depending on what your organized guild does.
if im wih a big group around 25-30 then i go glamour build because it supports my team and i do get nice tags and help with reflects and condi cleanse.

most of the time i run with a zergbusting group 18 people fighting 40-60 situation. there im pretty much jus there to veilbot. so important here is that u are tanky. id recommend a pu power build in this situation.

now if u are really good on your mes, try to go glkittenter and kill backlines off, but u will melt in seconds if u arent careful.

those are the only 3 i can see atm…there really isnt much beside veilbot duty and a little support atm. glamour is not really viable anymore, u get tags, but u dont kill anything with it really. but we will see what happens after the patch maybe there will be some more changes and maybe we will get 1 decent viable build that is not veilbot based…oh well one can always dream…

Any trait recommendations?

oh here is classic glamour build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vgAQNAW7dlknpVtlqxYNUrNScSBzbOqHX36VnkCYjaA-zUCBYhCy0CAk0wk3QpoFRjtsuIasKZCpqbY6YROAACwMnZysMDWuyN5RP6RbmzcmLX5KnUALKNC-w

and here is my pu power i use atm
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vgAQNAR8flknpRtFrxMNUrNSY6Bx9NwJpw0vukCcbbA-zkCBYfCyEEA0HwUBQZmCipmKr1WFRjVZDT5SQW9KpBAQAcyTeyTeyT2wFuwFuwFOpA0TZE-w

nothing new for mes. gm traits are bad and not well placed and apart from bugfixes anet hasnt put any effort in my class. builds will stay the same.

a t s e.9614:

selan.8354:

a t s e.9614:

Thief is easely counter by meditation guard or condi engi. I haven’t seen a skilled mesmer losing a duel yet. Mesmer AI is incredibly strong in 1v1.

And wait till lyssa Nerf, thieves will start losing to condi wars/necro.

atse this is a suggestion thread and therefore should stay constructive. op has brought up a bunch of good points which were nerfs that were too harsh. u having an l2play issue doesnt fit in here. so simply saying oh its op oh i cant beat it,…etc is not very constructive, so if u cant contribute to this conversation with a constructive comment, then go back to the spvp forum!

L2p issue , sure a mesmer who can’t win at least 90% of his duels has a l2p issue not me.

u arent even trying to understand the problems mesmers have. mesmers dont win 90% of the time a all. it actually requires skill to do that. u gotta understand how this class works and mes is no problem to kill.
if u move away from hotjoin and go to actual teampvp then u will see how there ie barely any mesmers there.
i play tpvp but i cant join my guildies when im on my mesmer cause mes is not really viable in groupfights at al. yes i can win a duel but not without effort. go make a mes and play it and then u will maybe understand these suggestions here.

depending on what your organized guild does.
if im wih a big group around 25-30 then i go glamour build because it supports my team and i do get nice tags and help with reflects and condi cleanse.

most of the time i run with a zergbusting group 18 people fighting 40-60 situation. there im pretty much jus there to veilbot. so important here is that u are tanky. id recommend a pu power build in this situation.

now if u are really good on your mes, try to go glkittenter and kill backlines off, but u will melt in seconds if u arent careful.

those are the only 3 i can see atm…there really isnt much beside veilbot duty and a little support atm. glamour is not really viable anymore, u get tags, but u dont kill anything with it really. but we will see what happens after the patch maybe there will be some more changes and maybe we will get 1 decent viable build that is not veilbot based…oh well one can always dream…

lyssa needed a nerf. asking for it to saty he way they are is like saying: please i wanna keep using my imbalanced op skill for the easy win!
fact is, lyssa was broken for some classes with low cd elite skills and the nerf is needed!

Seemore Bunz.7345:

There is a simple counter to Stuns: Stability/Stun Breakers

There is a simple counter to Immobilizations/chills/cripples: condi removal skills OR condi duration reduction food/armor stats.

If you are suffering from these effects simply adjust your gear/playing style/skills to compensate for these adversities.

ANET do not change a thing. This is the one part of WVW combat that you guys nailed since release!!!! Focus on giving WvWers more rewards and achievements for going to battle each and every day!

ok u are seen this problem through warrior or guardian eyes arent u?well there is other classes out there that dont have any of that handy.

mes has barely any access to stability, neiter does necro. also mes has terrible condi cleanse. there needs to be something done about the cc in this game, because if u get perma cced,crippled,chilled, stunned, interrupted wihtout even a slight chance of reacting, then thats not ok and does need to be changed. u might think its fun: yay this guy here couldnt move hahah i’m soo awesome godlike! well for the other person its not fun at all.
immbilize should never stack, period. knockdowns should not be chain able, stuns shouldnd be chainable and chill,cripple need a little tone down in duration.

a dr on cc sounds fair so u actually get a chance after u got hard cc, to get out of there!
if u dont understand why this is necessary, roll a mes or necro and go fight a blob that is at least same size as u are and then we will see how much u wanna defend this broken mechanic!

a t s e.9614:

Thief is easely counter by meditation guard or condi engi. I haven’t seen a skilled mesmer losing a duel yet. Mesmer AI is incredibly strong in 1v1.

And wait till lyssa Nerf, thieves will start losing to condi wars/necro.

atse this is a suggestion thread and therefore should stay constructive. op has brought up a bunch of good points which were nerfs that were too harsh. u having an l2play issue doesnt fit in here. so simply saying oh its op oh i cant beat it,…etc is not very constructive, so if u cant contribute to this conversation with a constructive comment, then go back to the spvp forum!

mango.9267:

Pyroathiest.4168:

Seras.5702:

Shtos Vant.4182:

1. More PvE focus

I hope so. I’m a PvE player and these new GM traits look to be very PvP/WvW focused.

The new GM traits are nothing focused. They’re almost all useless in almost all game types. It’s as if the devs just drew random mechanics from a hat and decided to try and shoehorn them into GM traits.

It’s too early to tell. The 3s distortion might work well in zergs, and (although not GM), the torment shatter sounds like it’ll buff condi/shatters. Of course, you never know how these things play out till you get to try it out.

nope its not too early to tell. its very very clear how useless they are. 1k healing power?a joke and definitely a recycled gm trait originally intended for another class
distortion AFTER kill, useless in wvw, useful in pve
the only one i wanna try out is the interrupt domination gm trait. the rest is not worth specing into at all.
pyro is right. the devs didnt put ANY effort into mesmer this patch at all! they fixe bugs that should have been fixed a long time ago. we ran around with a completely broken iwarden and many other bugs for way too long. and now the devs try to make it look like they put work into our class by fixing these bugs and trwoing the most random gm traits i have ever seen at us.
but they didnt spend time at all, thats why im still gonna be a squishy noring veilbot if i use my mesmer in wvw! im still not getting better loot in pve raids, im still unwanted in tpvp and still hated in hotjoin.
if anything the mesmer will be completely pushed out of the meta because other classes got more attention from the devs!

Thedenofsin.7340:

Can anyone explain what ANet is trying to achieve with the Mesmer changes?

I’ve reviewed the changes and I cannot understand what direction ANet is trying to take Mesmer.

The vigor nerf reduces Mesmer survivability with no compensation elsewhere. Without the vigor nerf, Mesmers tend to be a liability due to how easily they drop to zerker thieves.

Outside of Power Block, I don’t see any of the new traits creating any new builds. Furthermore, Power Block only seems to open up a build that has, arguably, less survivability in tPvP than the current shatter builds. The other GM traits are either N/A for PvP (Triumphant Distortion), inferior to other GM traits (Bountiful Disillusionment, Maim the Disillusioned) or just bad/non-synergistic with existing Mesmer mechanics (Disruptor’s Sustainment).

These changes don’t make Zerker Mesmer builds more viable against thieves, neither do they give non-zerker Mesmer builds more damage output.

honestly, i think anet didnt put any work into mesmers at all for this patch. they fix some bugs and thats about it. the gm traits feel rushed or recycled from another class.
1k healing power?
distortion after kill?
torment on shatter?

the only one im interested in would be the interrupt one and that seems like the only one that actually seems like it could fit this class. all the other gm traits dont help to fix current mesmer problems or build diversity.
we dont need the distortion after we kill, we need it so we dont get bursted down with perma cc. some people think this is good for wvw…nah its not. we got nothing to contribute in groupfights. we need tpvp and raid build options. we need access to non ai builds, we dont need more shatters as in groupfights shatters barely work…worst in wvw u cant even use f1-f4 without ip trait.

there were a ton of ideas and also issues mentioned by mesmers and all we gonna get is bug fixes and 2 useless gm traits 2 somewhat interesting but still bad traits and 1 trait that could create a new build. and instead of only fixing bugs to make it look like they put work in this class, please anet, check the mesmer issues, check all the suggestions. if u really knew mesmer mechanics in all game modes, u would know that these gm traits are bad and not uselful.
rework mantras,rework our ai, give us non ai options, give us group build options( no more veil portal botting) etc… we dont need 1k healingpower….we cant even make use of it!

Caelus.7139:

Osi made me wanna be a mesmer

yeah dont forget osicat in this. he made me use portal stomps!:-)

wow i agree with u. thats my issue with the class.we are supposed to be the masters of mind control and control in general. anet took everything the gw1 mes was able to do and packed it into 1 condition called confusion. now yes confusion was strong and u needed condi cleanse if u faced a group of mesmers.
back then glamour was only strong because people would keep facerolling their keyboard with 20 stack confusion on them…
now anet nerfed it…too much and took this unique ability away from the mesmer and left us with the ai only. we do lack aoe now, we are no real control class because master of cc is warrior and also thieves. we are forced into ai ai and even more ai which is not good in raids. clones are weak, we got no control over them and our shatters only work if we trait for ip which is terrible as it limits build diversity.

we lack a clear role as everything we got, including confusion now with perplexity runes is done better by other classes.
dont get me wrong, phantasms arent too bad but they should be optional like necro minions are.
as a light armor class we do need way more aoe spells, not ai.
we need a clear role and no its not ganking the backline!(thats the thieves job)
if u want us to be a control class, then we need a ton more control based non ai traits.
we need aoe we need something unique.
i dont think mes needs to be in the frontline but belongs to the caster, but we lack casting as all we got is clones and has not enough range.
i just wish anet would actually pay some attention to this class and try to understand it…this patch looks again rushed for mesmer class: terrible gm traits and only bug fixes…im really about to give up mesmer!

hmm depends which tier u are in. if u are on a server that faces big organized zergs like in tier1-2 and tier 2.5, then its gonna be tough to command on your mesmer as u would have to kite around the zergs with the casters. im in t2 and i usually stick around with the casters.
in those tiers id recommend war/guard commanders as most of the enemies u are facing are heavy trains with glass eles. 1 meteornado shower and boom u are dead.
in lower tiers it is very well possible to command with mesmers. but in general, mesmers dont really have anything other to contribute apart from portal veil and maybe some backline ganking in wvw raids atm. but lets see what the new patch brings and it might be possible to see mesmer commanders again like during glamour times.

Me Games Ma.8426:

Nikku.3562:

It seems to me like Anet have made a concerted effort not to have lots of unique debuffs such as those inflicted by Hexes like Clumsiness, Shame or Backfire. Effects outside of standard conditions, boons and CC are pretty uncommon in the game and are usually generated by mobs and not PCs. I doubt Anet will move away from this model any time soon. It’s a shame ‘cause while this makes the game a lot more newbie/casual friendly (ie. you don’t have to learn a hundred different skills to understand what’s happening to you), it does seem to detract from what made the Mesmer so fun in GW1.

One way in which these could be made to work might be to rework them as channelled skills similar to blocking. So Shame might be a 3 second targeted channel with some kind of clear visible effect (like Confusing Images), which interrupts and puts on CD the first skill the target uses during the channel.

Would LOVE something like Sum Of All Fears, and the Cry idea would be really nice and encourage us to pay attention to our clones more!

I don’t see a problem for anet to break their own rules regarding the buff/debuff system twice.
We have unique buffs/debuffs for as well for:

• Warriors (banners / stances / impale / … )
• Guardians (Shield of Wrath / virtues / Binding Blade / Hallowed Ground /…)
• Ranger (Quickening Zephyr / Spotter / spirit buffs /… )
• Thief (venoms / Haste)

Just to mention some. There are unique buffs and debuffs already so why are they still refusing to give the mesmer hexes? I don’t get this.

Hexes also could replace phantasms…

yes please replace phantasms with some hex like aoe spell would be amazing!wvw mesmer could actually be useful in wvw besides veilbotting!

so wait u were running away and got moa’d?man id be glad if someone would moah me when running away.ty for the extra speedboost, laters……

yeah dont go condi in pve. especially in bigger events condis are terrible. when glamour was still good in wvw i sometimes was to lazy to retrait for a pve event and there i would still use confusion on mobs which only works well on mobs that attack fast. most of the mobs wont attack fast enough to trigger enough confusion dmg. so i wouldnt recommend it in pve

i dont think mes is that lg friendly at all. if u have skill lag on your mes u cant spawn phantasms u can only aa. u cant even blink or stealth, we got very very little power in aa….

id recomend using mh sword for laggy battles

toutatis.9245:

Everything arenanet ever did for mesmers was creating two builds or so that are quite easy to play but are so vulnerable at some points they don’t satisfy when it gets serious. The real problems for mesmers aren’t getting looked at. I don’t think the profession gets a lot of affection from the developpers.

yeah we get nothing at all.they took gw1 mes and put all the gw1 mesmer skills into 1 condition called confusion and then they nerfed it to the ground. now we are stuck with no wvw raid builds, a ton of bugs, no attention, get useless gm traits like 1k healing power(what a joke), we got put into the role of a weaker hitting thief with less armor and power, we are 1v1 only now, have ai only, that has been bugged foe ages, f1-f4 is useless without ip…etc. but no attention from devs ever!they fix some bugs but wont help us to get anything for wvw…i feel so stuck with my mesmer!

hahaha good one pyro

Xyonon.3987:

With the patch at april 15th the mesmer will highly increase in power, I guess the mesmer and the elementalist will be buffed the most with that patch.

• reducing crit damage by approximately 20% hurts every class the same, however the total damage reduction of the mesmer is lower than the one of a warrior (trash). Where our dps decreases from 5000 (jsut an example) to 4500 (-500) the warriors will drop from 10000 to 9000 (-1000), however our utility remains the same. Just some stupid math, but still …
• serval bugfixes allow new effective builds and this combined with the fact that you can retrait whenever you want makes us MUCH MUCH stronger. It’s a huge buff for our class. I’ll take the same example again. A warrior won’t get great benefits from retraiting. He will allways focus on max damage. A mesmer however will recive huge benefits from traiting between 10/30/0/30/0 for utility, 0/30/0/20/20 for max reflection and 30/30/0/0/10 for max damage. Sure there are even more combinations, but it’s about the same as for the staff ele: 30/0/0/30/10 for sup and 30/30/0/0/10 for damage.
• the ultra strong mater trait with 3 sec distortion upon a killing blow makes us pretty strong in many places, i mean image dredge fractale huehue… I luv it <3

I think the mesmer gets the best buffs in next patch. 50% of them are bugfixes, like Illusion of Death -> Illusion of Life etc But we will be soooo viable everywhere!

not sure if u are serious about this. while we get bugfixes, other classes get buffs….we are still veilbots. the distortion on kill will not change anything for mesmers in wvw if u are not running with a winnig blob. if u are outnumbered in wvw, the trait is useless as it only triggers if u kill something, not when u actually need it.
powerbreak is the inly one im interested in and maybe the torment on shatter, but then again…i cant shatter in wvw without ip so a very limited build diversity right there.

im actually hoping we get something more than that as bugfixes doesnt mean anet actually worked on mesmer. it seems like they rather rushed it with the mesemer..

mesmer? ok fix bugs….erm gm traits? well the only one we actually have is torment on shatter and interrupt trai…ok just take the leftovers from other classes…ok cool.

anet has done nothing to help the group mesmers out there. they nerfed glamour and now we are stuck with a 1v1 only class in a game that has a wvw game mode.

so me personally. i am dissapointed with this patch and think its gonna put mesmers even more out of the meta if anet doesnt start to work on this class.

bugfixes doesn not = class improvements, they shouldnt even have been there for so long!

well to be honest some of the nerfs were a little harsh. when anet nerfed ele a lot that was all before they buffed all the other classes. same with mesmers. our bb and glamour build nerfs were very harsh and i think those things should be looked at again by anet. maybe buff certain things a little bit now instead of throwing a bunch of useless gm traits and random buffs where we dont need it.

FeelsAlright.5860:

1 initiative increase on pistolwhip…. you’ll stilil be able to spam the kitten out of it. why can’t you just remove the stun… no one rooted skill in the game stuns like that. make it take some kitten skill

well anet will have to put a diminish return on cc anyways if they want people to have a good experiance. its not fun to get chain cced chain stunned, chain feared, chain knocked down, perma crippled, perma chilled…all these are terrible things that shouldnt be in a pvp environment without dr.

Dusty Moon.4382:

Mesmer’s were all about control in GW1 – control of energy, skills, movement and attack. I would like that in GW2 also. I think it could really change the meta game and make it more interesting.

yeah i would love to move away form the ai part of the mesmer and be more like a gw1 mesmer was. we are a light armor class for a reason. if we were meant to be a pet dueling 1v1 weaker version of thief then we should have been a medium armor class!
if anet would bring back some more aoe and control abilities from gw1, then mes could be viable in wvw and tpvp again.
right now i feel like we are lacking a role. giving us more what gw1 mesmer had and more aoe options that are non ai based, we would have a clear role again.

yeah same i lost my berserker earring during a swap from power to condi and then back. i checked everything.. so i went and had to buy a new one

phys.7689:

jihm.2315:

Ansau.7326:

jihm.2315:

yes because i have played for a year it would be different after 5 seconds of fighting with a mesmer around , torment, stacks of bleed, confusion and daze, seems legit..

If you come with these arguments, don’t expect people to take you seriously.

Every profession has its strengths and its weaknesses, just learn to deal with them. Mesmers are not harder than any other profession.

PD: Thank god you didn’t start playing at game release. Back then, mesmers were stronger than now.

what exactly is the weakness of mesmer in spvp?

the problem with mesmer for spvp, is you get no points for annoying other people.

Can a mesmer survive and hold points better than a tanky build on other classes? no
(even the type of tricks that annoy you, people learn how to defeat)

Can a mesmer place more conditions faster than another class? no. Mesmer actually has a pretty low rate of condition application, and against better players, their condition application actually lowers (dodging clone explosions is a pretty big tell)

Can a mesmer roam? haha no, slowest out of combat speed on the map

Can a mesmer Burst a target down? nope

Can a mesmer support a party nope

Can a mesmer control the enemy better than other control builds, sadly no. They dont have as many CC per minute as warrior or engie id have to check ele.

can a mesmer deny area?
nope

So yeah though a mesmer kittened you off, and you cant deal with his tricks, he aint really doing nothing except killing you slowly. Imagine once you know his tricks, then he wont be able to do anything to you at all.

so much truth in this.

we sure can troll a player, but thats about it.
in wvw we cant even raid well because we lack aoe and group skills.
@op: yes, u got trolled by a mesmer, but mesmers lack a lot of stuff to be part of the meta. maybe u got killed in hotjoins, but once u figure out how mesmers work and how their builds work u will have no issues with mes anymore. make one get a build try it out for yourself and u will see mes differently

its actually quiet big as now it will be hard to stack for non confusion classes.

finally!glad they nerfed it. dont get me wrong i used them on my mes but the way they worked on other classes was just stupid

Marcos.3690:

5 stacks of confusion holy kitten

yep a mesmer fully traited for confusion cant do this. so this rune was a complete joke and should have never been released that way. at least it has a icd now, but it should not give this many stacks. but lets hope they nerf it first.btw if a shatter mesmer was to spec for the torment on shatter he would use tormenting runes and sigil for extra staacks and longer torment duration i think

Worthag.1362:

I didnt read all 3 pages, so maybe I repeat it.
Pls make new grandmaster trait: Clones are immune to damage for 1 (2) seconds after created.
Without this, shattering for boon removal doesnt rlly work in ZvZ.

yeah if u wanna shatter in zvz u will need ip. no clone or even phantasm survives long enough to be viable at shattering

i could see it as a main hand actually. but as a twohand weapon it could be very cool too as it could maybe have a cc like a pull and an aoe attack.

Bearlin.7238:

IMO they should just make clone on dodge a default class mechanic that can be toggled on and off or at least lower the tier in which you can get Deceptive Evasion. The vigor nerf will hit all mesmer builds and in the current meta, it really feels that everything a mesmer can do, a thief can do better. Instead of nerfing thieves, etc. (although that would be nice too), perhaps some buffs should be done to the mesmer to balance out this vigor nerf.

Also if you are afraid of the new Power Block trait that is coming out in the patch, don’t be. There are a lot of important defensive traits that need to be sacrificed in order to get Power Block.

agree that de should be moved somewhere else and i think ip should be lowered too as our sahtters dont work well in big groupfights. in tpvp our clones already suffer badly, in wvw its a nightmare as u dont have shatters that will work. i dont know about powerblock yet. it could work well in some situatuions, but then again lets hope the terrible gm traits and bugfixes is not the only thing we get.
we need group support

whip. i dont think shortbow is a weapon for a mesmer, but whip would be epic!!!

yeah in wvw all our clones are kinda useless as they die right away. so lots of our traitsare kinda useless in wvw raids. in roaming and 1v1 illusions are our main dmg dealers. if u cant have illusions u dont have dmg or shatters. without ip i cant shatter anything as i dont have illusions…. so id say its a bad design to not give us some viable non illusion heavy builds…well we did have glamour builds and they were good until the nerf came along and took this away.

Pyroathiest.4168:

IP should not be moved.

The underlying concept of grandmaster traits was supposed to be that they are build defining traits. As it happens, very few traits actually fit this description, but IP is one of the few that does. Taking IP defines your build. That is why it is a grandmaster.

Power lock, confounding suggestions, PU, even shattered conditions and restorative illusions are all great grandmasters in theory because they are build defining. As it turns out, those last two only define horrible builds, but it’s the concept that counts for this discussion.

Weaker grandmasters are things like the dueling traits. No build is defined by a boring % boost or a random quickness proc.

So, IP is fine where it is. It fits the concept of the line that it’s in, it fits the concept of a grandmaster trait.

well i see your points, but in a zerg situation our shatters are only useful if we got ip with it. in wvw a mesmers problems are that our illusions dont last at all. if u wanna shatter u are lucky if the shatter works which makes a lot of our traits useless in wvw without ip, same with illusion traits and all that. so yeah it does limit our build diversity in wvw greatly. in spvp however , u are right ip is at the right spot. now if shatters were made more viable, so our illusions actually reach a atarget a little more often, ip would not be required in wvw….

McWolfy.5924:

Without stability CC is op. Without dodge, aegis, prot etc direct dmg is op. Without condi clean condi is op…

yeah thats true, but every class has access to condi cleanse, not every class can get enough stability vs a zerg spamming cc all over the place. necro and mesmers dont have good access to it. thr problem is that there is no dr on it. if someone got knocked down or immobilized, there should be a few sec for the person to get up. chain cc and chain interrupts make this impossible.
only if u have viable access to stability u will be able to avoid being stunlocked to death without even a chance to react. on my mes i can blink away, but am still immobilized. so once caught its gg petty much.
cc has to be toned down or balance will never happen. the class with the highest stability, deals the most cc which makes it even more op.

actually if u wanna be successful at shattering in wvw raids, u will need ip as none of your illusions will make it even close to the zerg. this limits my build diversity greatly. i would love to have ip, but i cant as i need other traits for survival in wvw zergplay…

yeah ip is such an important trait for mesmers. in wvw if u dont have ip, your shatters and most of the traits are quiet useless. when i think of a build im always like, aw but i cant, because i need 30 in illusions to do that..
putting these traits down a little further could def help mes build diversity..especially in wvw.

Carighan.6758:

@BlackDevil
You’re describing a scenario in which the attacking zerg is already winning, and clearly so. The trait will hardly be of use in that situation.

yep this. i run with a zergbusting group, so we are around 18-21 people pushing 35-45 people. in this situation u cant wait for someone to die so u can make use of that trait. u would need the distortion before they start dropping. so i dont think i will use this trait at all.

Lishtenbird.2814:

selan.8354:

(no aoe!?!?no raid builds)

I think that the only valuable trait was the distortion on kill, so if you’re talking about front-line zerging, it may fill that hole. But for me, none of these traits will change my build, so yes, fixes – and that’s it.

hmm i dont think this will help us at all. u have to kill in order to get distortion and usually u only kill if u are already sorta winning the zergfight. its pure luck if u get to hit 1 of the few rallybots. u would need the distortion before u kill, so u could actually go frontline.
the only sorta usefulone could be the interrupt trait, but im not sure how i will be able to create a build with that.
so yeah…bugfixes and thats it. anet didnt put any effort in the mesmer class.

i like the idea, that could give us some better support options for wvw too. this could bring glamour builds back.

yeah this one of those leftover traits they just randomly threw at us mesmers, because they didnt know what to give us. it will not be utilized at all…no mesmer build would ever put 30 point into a traitline for such a useless trait that we cant even properly utilize…

id rather have ip moved down a notch so wvw mesmers could actually shatter in zergs without having to go 30 into illusions. there was sooo many ideas out there for new traits and soo many things they could have added just to help our lack of aoe skills, but we get these horrendous gm traits….

oh well ill try the interrupt one eventhough it will be quiet useless as all my interrupts are pretty much single target skills.

anet, we need multi target non ai based skills/traits. u took that away with the massive nerf of glamours and the se new gm traits are not well thought through, please go the the mesmer forum and check all the ideas and discussions so u know what we actually would need.

very much agree with op. wvw and spvp are very very different. for example in spvp mesmers can do quiet well as all the clones, shatters, phantasms work well and also all the trait are great for that. in wvw however, mes lacks all that as illusions die in seconds, shatters fail without ip trait, the lack of aoe skills turned us into veilbots which isnt fun.

same with rangers. in spvp they can be quiet a threat if played well, but in wvw they are part of the unwanted list for hardcore wvw guilds.

classes do need an option to spec for wvw. so the duel based classes like thieves, rangers, mesmers for example can trait for wvw zergplay.

in an other game u can develop each and every skill in 2 different ways. so if u wanna go more aoe, u can.

i dont mind that i dont have stability on my mesmer as ive learned how to work around this, i also dont mind that my condi cleanse is bad, i also dont care that my out of combat speed is horrendous, but please allow me at least to have viable aoe non ai build options!

the glamour nerf destroyed that option and we never gotten anything back, the new gm traits aint gonna change anything at all, neither for rangers in wvw nor for mesmers!

there used to be a clear split between spvp and wvw and i gotta say things were better balanced then eventhough some classes did need a few buffs and tweaks.

as a roamer u can use blink and invis to escape, also portal is not bad for that

still its a light armor class that should have better aoe options. they cant just make 2 1v1 classes and deny them the ability to participate properly in every game mode. every class should have the option to spec for aoe dmg. if mesmer was a medium armor class it would make more sense to be a 1v1 duelist only, but we are not. this light armor class is lacking aoe greatly.

Meglobob.8620:

Mesmers are pretty good in WvW, at least mine is, only thing they lack is AoE really.

You would be a fool to delete your Mesmer, Anet have actually given them some interesting Grandmaster traits in the features patch.

erm so lack of aoe….isnt that the main issue? cause thats the reason mesmers dont perform well in wvw raids. yeah we can roam, yeah we are portal service and veilbots, but the lack of aoe is the main issue for us. u wanna roam thats fine, but some of us would like to play wvw raids. gvgs and all that. we lost our aoe when glamour was nerfed to the ground. the only reason people want a mesmer is because of veil and tw, nothing else

erm not gonna happen sry. that trait is not very viable, because u need to kill in order to trigger it and we all know how amazing mes is in tagging with our multipple aoe options…oh wait thats right we dont have them unless we use the ony 1 build option out there which includes ip, we cant even make use of our shatters anymore.

anet hasnt put any effort into fixing mesmers at all. the new gm traits are all either a jok like 1k healing power on interrupts or very rng like distortion on kill. the only one that sounds interesting is the interruption one, but thats it.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Use glamour skills, and put on the trait that makes them give enemies confusion. Watch as enemies waste their condi-removal on the original push by the hammer train while you destroy them immediately afterwards with the confusion.

erm confusion is not viable anymore in wvw. it does barely enough dmg to tag anything. i played glam before nerf for a long time and even if it was unnerfed or buffed back up to 25% more dmg it still would not be even close as effective like before. back then, noone used condi cleanses at all. everyone just went full perserk or full pvt but noone specced for condi removal. nowadays condis get cleared very quickly. glam skills have long cooldowns and confusion even with perplexity is hard to stack. so yeah not viable anymore.
i tried it….

well we will get bug fixes and thats probably gonna be it. anet hasnt put any real effort in our class thats why most of the mesmers have moved on to other classes. i play necro, ele and war more often in wvw than mes right now… i did love my mesmer though and if anet would put some work into mesmer and not just fix bugs (and hide this as a buff which it isnt), give us non ai build options like glamour builds were, gave us aoe options that are not shatter based, would make shatters work in wvw without ip trait, would listen to the amazing community we have here, would listen to our suggestions and issues, would actually paly a mesmer and understant its mechanicsa nd would not just throw some random leftover gm trait at us, then i might be willing to main my mesmer again.
i only play my mes in wvw when none else wants to be the veilbot…

yes, we would need them back. back thennoone used condi cleanses or specced for it, so yeah condis hit hard and killed zergs like that. but then again thats the only thing that was very mesmer like and the only way to apply aoe dmg. all this is gone now and we are left with no viable wvw raid builds. bb didnt need such a nerf, confusion dmg is a joke atm. perplexity is a slap in the face for a mesmer as this was our core mechanic.

we keep getting shatter traits, but shatter barely work if u are not specced with ip
ip is the only thing that makes shatter work in wvw as no illusions are viable in a zerg. so if u wanna use shatter u have to put 30 into Illusions. this limits the whole build options for many of us.

so yeah glamour really was the only option for wvw raids…but well anet gives us random mostly useless gm traits and bug fixes with the next patch…..no real work was put into mesmer at all, it seems. every other class gets stuff where i think, man i wish i had just 1 of them…