Guild Wars 2

Stal.8754:

Tigerlily.3765:

I noticed another today. Trait X in Duelling does not work if you are wielding an elemental weapon – no clone is created on dodge while holding FGS.

This sounds like it could be intentional, as otherwise there would be an issue with clones spawning with the elemental weapon :-)

Sounds like it could be a classic Anet “quick fix” by just not making clones spawn at all, rather than making it work correctly, which would require additional logic…

yeah thats not a bug. fiery gs is none of your own skills so should not be affected by your traits.

azizul.8469:

OP are you sure it was retaliation and not reflection ?

u cannot reflect meteorshower. the only things u can reflect is projectiles.

Nick.6972:

Yes. But you still get to hear this excuse all the time.
Quite frankly its annoying.

sry but i dont get u. what is the pint of your thread?
u wanna pat yourself on your shoulders, because u are on a server that outnumbers the others? so how does this annoy u?
is it because u wanna hear me say: yes, your server is soooooo awesome we lost because u are soooo much more skilled than us, u are the man baby!marry me!…..
seriously is that what u want?
im on an underdog server in t2 and u know what? i enjooooy the fights. i dont care about the ppt that much as there is no point if u get 2 servers that outnumber u. but i enjoy the fights. i love zergbusting and thats all we do. we look for orange swords, run there and dive in and this is fun. now if we have other commanders on that go for ppt, thats great, but it doesnt interfere with my fun.
if i focus too much on ppt, i get stressed out and double teaming and such can also discourage u, so why not just go look for fights and enjoy the game?

honestly the bandwagoning will happen no matter what. people want easy wins, not realizing how boring pvd is. last night my server didnt have many people on which sometimes happens, so sor only focused on us and not mag. we had 2 monsterblobs attacking our eb side and our bl at the same time. fa bl was attacked by like 60+ man. yeah sure sor is still a t1 server and doesnt really belong into t2. but now tc got more transfers too and they were already imbalancing t2 before.
now 40 man zergs can be fun to fight with zergbusters, but if it goes close to 60 then its nothing more than a boring blob spamming 1111 and pvd their way through your entire bl.not much skill in that imo.

but its your choice:if u wanna transfer, then im sure u wanna join the easy 111 spamfest, but if u actually like good fights and coordination then go to the underdog servers of a tier. i like the challenge and dont really care about the winning. fa has always been the underdog server in t2, but then again we enjoy the fights and could care less about the ppt game.
i like facing strong servers with lots of numbers and yes it can get discouraging if u cant beat those 60 man blobs, but if u do, its pretty epic.
u guys wanna transfer? well go to an underdog server, u get much more fun fights instead of brainless pvd. if anet was to make the rewards a personal reward not based on your servers performance the badwagoning will get less, but will still happen.

so all u guilds out there instead of looking for easy wins, look for fights and fun and go to yb, cd, ebay, fa, (if sor stays in t1 then go there), bp,kaining, etc.
but again, your choice:pvd and 111 spamfest or zergbusting and epic fights

Lapreea.4287:

Problem is not really the trait, and that its OP more of the fact that it doesn’t take any effort to make it happen. I know mesmer, and I know what fighting them was like before everyone combined DE with clone death traits, and then with bleed on crit. When you break it down YES its not enough to kill someone; thats like saying, winds of chaos is not enough to kill someone, if winds of chaos was killing people we would have a BIG problem and vise versa w DE. The fact is that its combined with other skills and traits usually (bleeds on crit), and the fact that you are DOING other things and those bleeds happen so automatically create a deadly ""support"" during battle.

I also wanted to state the fact that, I heard a BRILLIANT idea to fix it all, and keep things basic, easy to understand, and on a easy to scale level… COOLDOWN ON CLONE DEATH TRAITS. If the devs want to go this route with mesmer, theres your fix. IF CLONE DEATH TRAITS are not op as you say, you should have NO problem with this, since you CLEARLY dont rely on it.

i dont use clonedeath traits atm as im not a condi builds, but to be honest, the condis applied from it is nowhere near as many condis as a an engi can apply with very little effort, a necro can spread and even a condi war and condi thief can aply bleeds and other condis better thn that. why does everything on mes get icd? we got almost nothing left. most of our builds got destroyed there is only ai left nothing else.

u wanna nerf? ok, but then give us buffs in other areas where we lack. like non ai aoe, non ai builds, non ai weapon skills, fix our 20 bugs, fix or replace phantasms. give us more weapon streangth, give us out of combat speed, replace mantras with aoe, remove and replace useless stuff like mimic and illusion of life, rework signet, rework scepter aa, rework our traits, give us more multi target skills, make f1-f4 work in wvw a smost shatters barely work there. move ip away from grandmaster so we get aoe, fix los bugs….

so yeah u can have your nerfs, but all mesmers have seen is nerf after nerf and some of them mad entire builds and traits completely useless. we havent recieved any big buffs beside pu and that was the only one. so time to rework our class.
icd are super annoying and we already got too many of them. so unless cc in this game doesnt get an icd or diminish return then stop whining about clonedeaths or go play amesmer in a wvw raid so u know how it feels.

Osicat.4139:

Ppl can rum what build they want, but I ask this. IF you solo roaming and rum into a gank party of 2 bs thiefs and a warrior, can you survive and get away? IF you fight a guardian or 2 and a pair of necros jump in to gank you can you survive and get away?

Can your build win more than 50% or ressult in infenite draws vs a skilled thief in Wvwvw duels alternative let you escape and lose a thief who go for you 1 vs 1

IF no is the answer on any of these q its not a effective roaming build.

/Osicat

i agree with u. i sorta need pu in this terrible cc meta in wvw raids atm. the perma stuns and aoe spams and immobilize spams make it hard for a mes without any stealth to survive. especially in higher tiers all u see is eles and warrior/guardian trains that perma cc u while hitting u with massive aoes that can hit u for 4-6k. so yeah on my pu mes i can at least pop a decoy or torch skill and run out of the zergball and ganker squad

hi purplesilver. i think u dont understand my class very well. i main a mesmer and my main alt is a necro.
i understand that fighting a mesmer can be frustrating when new to spvp, but mes is def not the one ruining the game. i tried almost every build for mes that is out there, but after all the nerfs to non ai mesmer builds, we are very stuck with illusion builds.
btw try mm necro build vs mesmers as mesmer have mainly single targeting skills.

u cant remove clones or phantasms for mesmer as it is our main attacks. :
here a little summary for u about skills and traits that involve clones and phantasms(illusions):

weapon skills
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Berserker 20 second cooldown
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phase_Retreat its a clone(important for shattering)
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ether_Clone clone
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Swordsman 20 second cooldown
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Warden (has been bugged for a very long time now and doesnt deal dmg 90% of the time)
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Duelist phantasm again
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Mage

utilities:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Decoy 40 second cooldown
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mirror_Images 45 second cooldown
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Defender 30 second cooldown
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Disenchanter 20 second cooldown

reducing illusions would affect all shatter skills
so f1-f4 = useless unless traited with this:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Persona

traits:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Imbued_Diversion
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Invigoration
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Masterful_Reflection
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusing_Cry
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Precise_Wrack
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shattered_Strength
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Retribution
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vengeful_Images
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Healing
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Revelation
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Persisting_Images
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Compounding_Celerity
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shattered_Conditions
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Restorative_Illusions
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rending_Shatter
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Crippling_Dissipation
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shattered_Concentration
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sharper_Images
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusing_Combatants
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deceptive_Evasion
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Defense

i u check out build editor, check if u can make a build which doesnt require illusions.
in wvw mesmers dont even have a real build, because of ai and too many dueling and ai traits and skills. ai is terrible in wvw. so no wonder people go pu power builds( that dont rely on clonedeath condis. atm the only build out there for me in wvw where i can survive and have at least some power.
as u see u cannot simple reduce clone production and all that as it is all we have left after all the non ai builds were destroyed by heavy nerfs!
im all for less illusions believe me. im tired of being a weird duelist petclass as a light armor class!
also mesmer players are quiet skilled as we have to deal with a ton of bugs that are eithere there since launch or there for more than a year, then we had to switch our builds over and over due to nerfs, then our traitlines are all over the place, we got lots of obstructed and los bugs, blink is unreliable, ileap is broken. then also we need to use combos in order to get certain effects which other classes can achive by pressing 1 button. we can not spam autoattacks as they are weak and slow compared to like thief and war. we got long cooldowns too.
so go ahead, make a mesmer and learn to understand how this class works. we cant have illusions out without target unlike mm necro btw

……….

are u guys rank 30 in wvw? if not, then thats the reason why.

Rhaegar.5120:

thanks guys…one more question: PU what does it mean? could you please link me some builds?

My aim would be to have a good build for roaming and very small groups. thanks

this is what i run atm
trinkets are still a little random, but swapped from condi to power and dont have all ascended yet

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAR8flwzKqHWTmGa9IipHEnvBckUoavWJF22FC-jEDBYfCyEEAEHwUBQZPFRjtwpIas6aY6ToKXAqXKymzERzeDoSBonyI-w

hmm i like the cards idea…maybe make it an aoe weapon ;-)

but what i also would like to see is a whip and mh pistol. whip could have some aoe a whip phantasm and maybe a pull or so….

Deniara Devious.3948:

Warbanner should not work on any NPCs, including keep and Stone Mist lord. Or at least it should NOT revive them to full health.

it doesnt revive them to full health but i agree with u that warbanner should not be possible on keeplords the way they are atm. so maybe allow the lord to be bannered once and then give it a icd so he cannot be warbannered for some time. i happens way too often that a war can just pop all his invul and not been stopped by anyone and then right after a second warrior comes in abanners it again and it keeps repeating until the blob arrives, so yeah id say give it a cooldown

1-2 pu power, pu condi, shatter, phantasm, lockdown, high dps builds
10+ pu power, shatter
25+ u dont need a build as u cant deal real dmg anyways as u got no non illusion option, all u do as a mesmer is veil,tw,portal, feedback and nullfield.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

At the moment it looks like Anet have no idea what they want to do with this class. Some of the recent statements and bugs have been pretty ridiculous. It really seems that no one involved in balancing classes or developing material actually plays this class.

They don’t understand how it works or how to make it work. They don’t even seem to know the proper names for some of the skills.

agreed. they really dont know how big such a change can actually affect a mesmer. i mean they also overreacted with the glamour nerf and made it completely non viable. meanwhile they are walking on eggshells when it comes down to warrior nerfs. (8% really?if the mesmer had healing signet it would have been nerfed by 25-30%).
after all the nerfs of phantasms, los(necros can still hit though walls, guards staff 1 can hit sige through the walls and gates, eles can destroy siege on wall and dragontooth hits siege behind gates, but mes got los and obstructed everywhere), bb, temporal curtain, chaosarmor,glamours, blinding befuddlement, tw,portal, underwater weapons,retal, etc

we have not gotten anything back. nothing to compensate. now we really are an ai class only , because everything eles got nerfed.
no wvw raid builds as everything we have is illusions and illusion traits. terrible aoe dmg for a light armor, 1v1 builds only and on top of that a ton of bugs caused mainly by ai.
they still think mantras are great and even buffed them and they are still clunky to use and dont really help in a raid at all.

they think mesmer is in a good state and coming from wvw i have to say, no, we are not at all. veilbot is not fun and having no real build is not fun either. we just cant keep the pressure up as illusions die in seconds, phantasms are either bugged out, get a full cd due to obstructed or los issues/bugs and on top of that we only get 1v1 attacks for duels while not having an option anymore to trait for wvw raids.

a light armor class should not be a duelist 1v1 class only, a light armor needs viable access to aoe and not ai and ai based aoe.

try tactical thats what i use. i got the skin from the wvw badges vendor.

o.0 20? either u were serious glass builds or siegie got on rampange! must be a bug

yup 2 nights ago it happend twice during gvg to me. i blinked past the zerg and got stuck. of course i died which was terribly embarrassing for a gvg. the second time it happened i had to /dance to get out of it. thank god i had torch equipped and could go invis and use an emote

meh on my mes id rather have actual aoe not more illusions. im sick and tired of illusions only. anet has nerfed everything that wasnt illusion heavy and now all the mesmer is is illusions. i mean look what that bug did to the mesmers! we were up and weak because our illusions kept dissappearing. mesmer needs non ai options and builds, so in wvw we get to join the fun and not just be veilbots.

id love to have new skills. maybe completely rework all mantras and turn them into groundtargeting aoes. also ip is almost a must take if u wanna viably shatter in wvw raids, but it being a grandmaster trait makes it very limiting. the shatters should work better in group fights as this is also part of our aoe but the cc’s, chills, aoe, wells, marks, meteorshowers, earthshakers and many more kill the illusions before the shatter happens sof1-f4 is pointless in wvw without ip.
future skills and utilities should be non ai please please please. no more illusion traits we got way too many and not enough other skills. we are a lightarmor class and we need viable non ai aoe!
or maybe a new weapon that is more aoe heavy. just no ai please. ai is soo buggy too. we need wvw raid builds!not more veilbot supports

hmm its true that ele has low hp, but then again ele has lots of access to healing and protection which other classes dont have. in addition to that eles aoe is very bursty. in spvp i could see a slight buff to hp though, but def not in wvw. eles in wvw are part of the meta and already very strong. so if u buff them too much u could create a new warrior-like disaster. lets buff other aspects about ele, before thinking about hp buffs.

same with thieves. i mean a thief can burst u down in seconds. bckstabs that crit for 11k on light armor followed by heartseeker spam 3k,5k,5k….if thief gets too much hp, they will become even more frustrating. if id run pure glass cannon on my mes id have around 15k hp and die in 1 hit by such a thief.
if u want more hp, how about more pvt gear then and less berserker? i agree that war is way to bursty for the armor and hp they get, but dont add 2 more classes to this nightmare. id rather see thieves reworked, so there is more builds out there that are not just class cannons and ele skills and utilities and trait reworks for their spvp performance. eles used to be great in spvp, but the countless nerfs and buffs to other classes has pushed them in the corner.
but in wvw the op suggestion would create 2 new monsters next to the war.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

I bet they are working hard to fix the bugs in necro’s professions mechanics before releasing the double sigil update while looking at warrior’s weapon swap traits.

right?

lol, yeah there is a lot of classes that share your frustration. bug fixing def needs to happen soon. maybe after all the complains the devs will put more effort into these things. some of my mesmer bugs have been in the game since launch and others are over a year old.
the necro bugs are annoying and should be adressed soon, same with the mesmer bugs. its like gambling when using certain skills like ileap or blink. one time i works fine and then 3 times in a row nothing happens at all….
hey anet, how about dedicate one patch on fixing bugs( engi,necro, mesmers(over 20 issues) really need this attention). it would be game changing for many of us.

in eotm my berserker does not attack the gates. in normal wvw it still works but yeah i thought it was a lag issue at that time but maybe its a new bug…

sry but why are u in the guild then? obviously u are in a zergbusting guild, so this is how things go in such a guild.
my guild runs tagless. yes, we dont want the pugs to follow us and no not because of the glory, u guys rally the entire zerg if u run with them. tagless guilds mean DO NOT FOLLOW! its very annoying when u have 8 people down of a 40 man zerg and 1 pug runs in and dies right away and rallies them all!

yeah the key about zergbusting is organizing and yes i get yelled at if i die and rally everyone and also others. but in the end its my choice and i like the hardcore raids. they are rough, but for u it seems like its time for a new guild.
if u zergbust u gotta be on the leader at all time, so yeah no wonder he yells at u guys for not sticking by him. and if u guys get wiped by 25-35 zerg with 15 peopl…well your leader reallly should be yelling at u guys. we run with 15-22 people and destroy 40+. so yeah it is possible. but the grouping up in the beginning is important so the leader knows which classes are available and which strategies to use.

my advice to u. got to another guild that is less serious about those raids. im sure u will have a ton of fun there. i like both. i have my fun guild and my zergbusting guild and both gives me epic fun!

did u try to solo him? sry but in regular wvw u really dont wanna solo “siegie”. when he first was put in the game sooo many people died because of him. he easily hits u for 10-13k…and if u are glass…oh well gg!
so dont mess with sigie alone, get a group and u should be fine….btw he pulls so make sure u dodge when u see the blue chains or u will die veeeeery quickly

draconx.3102:

Today I actually witnessed my phantasmal warden spawn, stare my target champion in the face for about 5 seconds, then run off to some totally unrelated enemy halfway across the room and attack that. Wow.

lol yup that was my “baby” last night during gvg. he stood there looked at the ele and then turned 180 and ran straight into the whole melee mob where it died right away….oi

Lishtenbird.2814:

Updated the 3rd post a bit.

Hlord.5940:

Also it seems that Illusionary Elasticity doesn’t effect Phantasmal Disenchanter

Could not reproduce (tested in PvP area).

Bloodstealer.5978:

Well as of about 20mins ago I cant get Decoy or Mirror Image skills to function..

selan.8354:

yep decoy has been buggy for a while. very often i wont get a clone.

AFAIK the only scenario when Decoy will not generate a clone is when there is no targetable mobs/players in the vicinity. The same thing happens with spear 2. Can you still reproduce it? There’ve been some DC’s and lags because of a DDoS attack on many game servers including GW2’s.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Added to that mobs are still targeting my Mesmer when stealthed..

Some more info on this? Can you still reproduce it?

Stal.8754:

Yep. Seems to be unusable on the majority of the terrain in EotM :-(

Yeah, that drives me crazy. I don’t even understand how people manage to play in PvP with such reliability… It even looks like a bug-nerf – “Let’s brake it and not fix it because it’s too OP!” Same as Warden (and the fortunately fixed exploding illusions).

well the problem i had with decoy was, i was attacked and in combat and it only bugs out when im like to their side and decoy then, when im infront of them its fine,but not when im on the side. but maybe it was during lag attack and bugged out for me only. ill test this agin tonight.

wvw:
well i got some ideas about regular wvw
eotm has some very nicely designed keeps and that covers my first point:

the keeps:
once an enemy zerg gets to the keepgate there should be better otions to defend it. atm the keeps are too simple.first gate goes down then the enemy takes a few step and boom they are already on the next gate pvdooring.
gates need more health
there should be more narrow passages and places for traps so defenders that maybe just got this keep back have at least a chance to hold the zerg off for a while.
have briges in the keep that u can destroy or remove or something like that so the enemy has to either build a new bridge(wasting supply) or find another more dangerous way.
have more gates until they reach the keep lord. make the keeplords and guards stronger(like in eotm) and but also not warbannerable
also eles meteorshowers make the walls almost unpassable. it should be a little safer.

the towers:
also here they should be more complex and harder to reach the towerlord. i like the bloodlust ruined tower carver which gives me an option to pull people off and therefor have at least a little chance to fend off a blob.

the maps:
need to be wayy bigger. the zergs can move around too fast as the main objectives are very close together. also add some walls or something that have to be overcome first before they can reach your garrison. or allow guilds to builds watchtowers or something. in eotm u can also destroy certain bridges and slow down a blob. the current maps have way too much wasted space and the bloodlust area is more of an annoyance then a cool feature.
also the borderlands should be different from each other like in eotm there is the frost area, the desert area and the greener area. this is how the bl should be different.

professions:
here again im coming from a wvw pov:
(please split spvp and wvw balance as balance will never happen if this doesnt change)
atm there is 3 dominating classes
1warrior
2guardian
3ele

then there is necro who has at least great aoe, but bad defensive skills and needs better combat mobility.ds skills are not really that useful and have a really high cd, also ther is a few bugs that come with ds, so please fix.

mesmers have been nerfed so bad that we are either roamers only or veilbot servants.give mesmer viable aoe non ai aoe options, skills and traits. illusions simply dont work well in a zerg and barely any shatter ever hits a target.
ip is almost a must if u wanna make use of f1-f4 in wvw which allows not even a handful builds. im very tired of being a veilbot and i tried every single build and none of them seems really viable for wvw and large group fights. too many traits about ai. mesmer doesnt feel like a light armor class at all. we are always forced to go close to our enemy and all the nerfs have turned us into a pet class.
when mesmer bugged out during last patch and all mesmers were stripped off their illusions, that how i feel on my mesmer in a zergfight. no trait that involves illusions, is helpful as u cant have illusions up for long enough in a zerg fight.
make a trait that allows us to use aoe, rework mantras into ground targeting aoe, make shatters happen without ip or move ip trait out of grandmaster. ps there is terrible bugs we put all in one thread in the bug section, please check them.

ranger: im glad u guys will adress this disaster as they are unwanted in any guild. same problem like mesmer, too many traits around ai pet. pet dies in like 2 seconds so all skills about pet and also the traits are useless, leaving rangers with nothing. only thing they can do is roam and maybe follow a pug commander. also its terrible that the war bow skills work so much better than the ranger bow skills….

engi: needs some minor buffs, trait fixes and lots of bug fixes and will be fine in wvw.

thief: burst is way to high(11k backstabs….) but again they have barely anything else. they need lots of trait fixes and buffs before anet can reduce their high burst and stealth. also they should have the highest mobility, not warriors. they also need weapon changes(buff the shortbow, the range is very bad) and new skills. atm all they can spec into is either massive glasscannon or insane condi burst, but very squishy and has to rely on stealth non stop. this class need rework!

cc(all classes)
immobilize should not be a condition, should not stack, should be removable with stunbreakers and target should be immune to another cc or interrupt after for at least 2 seconds
chill should not stack
stun should not last long and target should be immune to another cc or interrupt after stun for at least 2 seconds
interrupts: target should be immune to another interrupt after for at least 2 seconds
knockdowns: target should be immune to another cc or interrupt after for at least 3 seconds

well the problem i have with clones in wvw is mainly that i cannot shatter them properly. with ip, no problem, but needing ip will limit my build options down to almost nothing. clones barely reach my targets and they also bug out quiet often, attack random targets, shatter on random targets and are not displaying the same boons i have.
clones and phantasms are pretty much our only access to aoe and its terrible we dont have any other options(well we used to but all these got nerfed to the ground)
our aoe can get cc’ed, killed by other aoe and is vulnerable which other light armor classes dont have to worrie about. they put a mark,well or elemental aoe down and the aoe happens. a mesmer cant do that. we gotta kite,blink, dodge around the zerg first and then MAYBE we can shatter and it hits a few enemies, but only if we are lucky and no aoe kills the clones or ccs them.
a light armor should not be all about ai and def. not be a duelist only. medium is duelist light is aoe. thats why we have light armor, so we can stay ranged…
im fine with some ai, but id like to have an option to play non ai, non duelist. maybe a trait or some new skills, or rework mantras and turn them into ground targeting aoe…
ai is way to buggy, so like the necro has an option to play mm but also go without it, id like the mesmer having this option.

Naz.2607:

Anet, please leave warriors alone. It is the ONLY class in the game that is nearly perfectly balanced.
Time will be MUCH better spent elsewhere on other classes.

sry but they are not. war has no weakness:

cc:doesnt affect war
stuns: doesnt affect wars
immobilize: doesnt affect wars
condi: war has very little problem with that
dps: they are tough and have high hp, plus perma regen which heals a lot, so doesnt affect them much and if it gets a little rough, they can pop their invul and leap out of combat
combat speed/mobility: war has the best in the game

so what exactly is a wars weakness?if a class has no weakness and dominates over every other class, then this is not perfectly balanced at all.

Lalangamena.3694:

fellyn.5083:

You do realize high health and armor are not exclusive to warrior right?

yes they are…

Necro has as much HP as warrior, but half of warriors armor.
Guardian has warriors armor but half of warriors HP.

so yes, only warriors have both high health and armor,
and damage, and mobility, cleansing, healing etc…

I also play warrior, and saying that warriors are not very capable in every aspect is pretending innocence.
(I am not saying OP because it is very emotionally charged word…)

meanwhile they also have great stability, while dealing most cc in the game( this sooo makes no sense whatsoever)

then war also has one of the best condi removals

then they can get invul and ignore any kind of dmg or cc( which is really bad as they can run into a keep, warbanner the lord and run out again without any counter to it)

so where is the counter to those invul? how can a light armor stop a war from rushing them? yes necro has access to lots of health, but necro has no stability, no invul, no defensive skills, no combat speed and way less armor.

so those skills make a warrior even more unstoppable…
so give us a way to counter it!

honestly, id be fine with moa being removed from the game and i main a mesmer. (my main alt is a necro). its a stupid elite which doesnt really fit into any of the builds. i’d rather have something else than this one!

i have the 1 glitch on my mesmer actually. it happens every time i swap a utility that can have either same cooldown time or higher and puts the new utility into the same cooldown. so for example i used veil(90sec cooldown) and then i swap my decoy that is not on cooldwon with portal, portal will go into the same cooldown as veil. i havent tested all the utilities, but the only ones that didnt have this bug were the ones with lower cooldown like blink(30 second cd)
its very annoying and i think almost every class is affected by it.

yeah would be great if we got anet to respond to these bugs. we all keep testing and almost all of the bugs have videos that show the bugs. so response please?

Liewec.2896:

i don’t think i could have less pity for an AI crutch build.
i hate mesmers, but i hate MMs even more.

there is no ai crutch build. mesmer = ai. everything else that wasnt based on ai got nerfed to the ground. believe me id rather not play with that much ai as i mainly play wvw and ai is terribad in wvw raids.

yeah well its a shame that chaosarmor got nerfed……..it was good before that, now its not worth my time actually…

Penguin.5197:

theory.3580:

If you follow the link, the whole document looks very fake. It was also uploaded to PasteBin in December, so if it were real, you would have heard about it two months ago.

No one trying to make fake notes would try to pass something as “exceptional kit”. Its so ridiculous they must be true.

hahhaha yeah these notes sure look real as it really sounds like anet again…..

oooh just saw it and this time we get weapon skins…..yay cant wait for all the pve players coming back. they were a lot of fun last time and some even stayed after. hope we have a lot of good fights.

Topher.7261:

I don’t know how this balance is working for WvW or PvE but, I main Mesmer and I love everything about it. If you guys seriously think our class needs help. Then I don’t know what to think. Yea we have some bugs and glitches but, so does every other class.

well remember when the illusions got bugged out 1 week ago?yeaaaah so thats your wvw mesmer right there. ai dies way to quick in a group fight so unless u have ip trait no traits that involve shatter will be useful. the clones simply wont reach the zerg. phantasms are either bugged out or die after 1 hit if they dont bug out due to los issues. also 1 meteorshower and boom your phantasm dies before it hits anything. staff aa is ranged but too slow, mh sword is suicide as u can never get close to the zerg so all u can do is kill a few casters in the backline and veil the other classes.
our class has become a pet class only after all non ai builds were nerfed to the ground. so yeah in spvp i do great with my mesmer as everything i have is 1v1 skills and traits.
all we need is a trait like ip that allows u to deal dmg without illusions and ground target aoes.
other light armor classes are better of as they have aoes that are non ai based.

Allie Murdock.8152:

mistsim.2748:

Allie Murdock.8152:

Vox Hollow.2736:

Are we listing classes that need Balancing or Development Time?

Because I think the number tweaks between classes are largely okay. But there are definitely certain classes that have clunkier gameplay, lackluster utility choices, awkward traitlines, buggy or buggy-seeming performance, etc.

Dev time!

in this case, i think people voting ele should think about their vote. eles dont need much dev time to revamp the profession and its mechanics. eles require more balancing.

If it just needs balancing that is ok too. Anything we do is dev time.

Basically, I want people to think ‘what class would I never play right now because it’s just not viable’ and list the top 3. That goes for all game types.

well if u think about it though. the least played classes might not get many votes, because who would vote for a class they dont play. i mean of course id give ranger a spot. all ele really needs is help in spvp, they are doing more than fine in wvw and pve. in wvw eles are part of the meta and got an important role. they got aoe dmg(meteorshower destroys every siege on walls), they got static filed for stuns and speedboosts, they got fire fields for might, they got waterfields for healing and condi cleansing. they got access to stability and more, but in spvp staffele is not that great and d/d ele in general got hit too hard, so yes spvp ele needs help, not wvw ele though

i main a mesmer and no im not happy with it at all. but people will not think of the mesmer needing buffs because all they see is the 1v1 mesmer in duels.yes, we are great in 1v1 and duels, but we are a light armor class and have no aoe!
they dont see the wvw veilbot. but i do and im sick of it.
u guys made a statistic of which classes are played the most and im sure not much has changes sinceapart from ranger moving further down and guardian moving higher up:

Kasei.8726:

Ben K.6238:

Out of interest I decided to collate votes from pages 1-7.
Second or third votes for a class were ignored. Only one top 3 per poster, so where more than one was provided I chose buff lists where available. PvP/PvE/WvW posts I had to skip.

Class / Rank——1—-2—-3 -Total
Ranger_____150__87__39__276
Elementalist__74__78__68__220
Necromancer_43__49__56__148
Engineer_____17__47__55__119
Mesmer_____24__22__28___74
Thief _______15__23__27___65
Warrior______3__11 __13___27
Guardian_____3___2___7___12

Added formatting.

Hey Anet, can we get some CSS for these tables please?

Class / Rank	1	2	3	Total
Ranger	150	87	39	276
Elementalist	74	78	68	220
Necromancer	43	49	56	148
Engineer	17	47	55	119
Mesmer	24	22	28	74
Thief	15	23	27	65
Warrior	3	11	13	27
Guardian	3	2	7	12

yeah well, this whole thing sounds like a competition and of course the classes that arent played as much will never make it to the top.
i agree though that rangers needs a whole make over and that ele in spvp needs help, but every class needs to be looked at.

war:was overbuffed

thief: is only a ganker and needs more build diversity

mesmer: has been nerfed down to the point where there is only ai builds. in wvw there arent even real wvw raid builds because ai is terrible. then over 20 bugs(some of them gamebreaking, and no aoe for a kitten light armor class. this class need a whole rework, less i1v, less dueling, less ai, mor aoe, more actual light armor class skills and traits.

engi: has a ton of bugs too, lacks a clear role in wvw raids, is doing fine in spvp and tpvp

necro:needs bug fixes and more defensive traits. combat speed is very bad so u will have a hard time to escape a zerg. maybe better stability?

ugh we lost. looks like we will be veilbot for the next 1 year and will be stuck with our broken ai….
(takes another shot of vodka)

skcamow.3527:

They should add a trait that fixes all current bugs. Make it a grandmaster. I don’t care which line, I’d take it.

hmm how about an f5 button(fixes ai bugs, allows ileap on uneven terrain, allows blink on bridges)

yeah in specific id say

spvp
1ele(overnerfed)
2 ranger
3 necro(only mm is strong, struggling with bugs and very little defenses)

wvw
1 mesmer(too much ai, too much 1v1, too many bugs. no aoe, no stability, mantras useless, no real builds, veilbot)
2 ranger (pet useless, too many traits around pet, unwanted in guilds)
3 war( too much cc,too much hp, too much of everything)

tpvp

1. ele
2 mesmer(cant hold a point, no stability, no group help, no aoe)
3 ranger

Thedenofsin.7340:

Mesmer is falling far below elementalist, ranger and necromancer.

Need more #1 votes to get the profession some attention.

yeah bug fix will def help but, it will not change the fact that mesmer has no aoe dmg in wvw raids. we are wayyy to much about ai and not enough light armor. ai classes are usually medium armor and not light. we are not rangers, we are mesmers and therfor need viable non ai aoe.
i wish our shatters would work without clones anyways. ip is just soo hard to spec for. maybe move ip a little further down… so i can shatter wihout ai up and have a build that is not a pure shatter build?
maybe anet just needs to change our traitlines around a little and remove useless traits. and maybe a few less illusion traits and something that can help us in raids would be great.
(p.s ill give up veil,moa, even tw and idefender andphanta disenchanter and mimic and u can have all the mantras if u give us viable non ai aoe options either through traits or new utilities.

yeah my guild leader wants me to use focus for the pulls, but with this broken phantasm i simply am crippled in my dmg output. id rather use pistol or torch that i can trait to give me protection and stealth and condi cleansing….man iwarden was my fave phantasm before they changed it.
i loved it i could just cast it infront of omega golems and watch them hit them self. and it was also great that it didnt move as i would cast it in he middle of a zerg and it would give some nice aoe dmg…
i vote for reverting the change!

Alissah.9281:

selan.8354:

Alissah.9281:

selan.8354:

Curunen.8729:

selan.8354:

Curunen.8729:

Alissah.9281:

Curunen.8729:

As much as I’d love mesmer to be the focus, I can’t in good conscience put it above ranger or ele at the moment.

Here, drink this water, then go to the cdi thread again.

• gives a scentless, tasteless and colourless liquid containing 95% alcohol *

Now I’m too busy dying on the floor.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Then go back and move Mesmer to #1 slot. That’s the slot that will receive attention first.

What’s a mesmer? hic

lol no dont get drunk because u will accidently move the warrior to the first spot

Someone already did… I’m not joking – look in the thread.

(To be fair they said “balance”, not buff)

yeah i think ill just give up hoping for mesmer to be reworked….tired of veil. can we vote to have veil,tw and portal removed? so maybe we can get aoe for the mesmer. im sooooooo tired of veil! i really hate veil…i think i even hear people scream veil in my dreams thats how often i have to serve as a veilbot..XD
hmmm i think i might need a shot now.cheeers!

When a dream extra asks me to veil them -for whatever reason- I put a veil on them that stealths them infinte seconds, and turns of collision, and mute them.

Basically, theyre gone :P

yup veiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6-gZw2tog

Ill have to wath that some ither time, cuz i cant acces my computer atm.

But from reading the comments, I assume at one point he goes: VEEIIIIIIL

:P

yep after 15 seconds he is screaming veil and during the whole raid he keeps screaming veil…but noone is a mesmer until the end when 1 guy joins in as a mesmer

Alissah.9281:

selan.8354:

Curunen.8729:

selan.8354:

Curunen.8729:

Alissah.9281:

Curunen.8729:

As much as I’d love mesmer to be the focus, I can’t in good conscience put it above ranger or ele at the moment.

Here, drink this water, then go to the cdi thread again.

• gives a scentless, tasteless and colourless liquid containing 95% alcohol *

Now I’m too busy dying on the floor.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Then go back and move Mesmer to #1 slot. That’s the slot that will receive attention first.

What’s a mesmer? hic

lol no dont get drunk because u will accidently move the warrior to the first spot

Someone already did… I’m not joking – look in the thread.

(To be fair they said “balance”, not buff)

yeah i think ill just give up hoping for mesmer to be reworked….tired of veil. can we vote to have veil,tw and portal removed? so maybe we can get aoe for the mesmer. im sooooooo tired of veil! i really hate veil…i think i even hear people scream veil in my dreams thats how often i have to serve as a veilbot..XD
hmmm i think i might need a shot now.cheeers!

When a dream extra asks me to veil them -for whatever reason- I put a veil on them that stealths them infinte seconds, and turns of collision, and mute them.

Basically, theyre gone :P

yup veiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil

curtegg.5216:

1. Mesmer only because we have the most bugs of any profession. Many of the bugs have existed since game launch. Over 3/4 of the bugs impact our dps.

FIX the bugs. I do not care about rework, I only would like to have a profession that isn’t so crippled by the bugs.

yay can we blow up lions arch?wooot. must see

Bloodstealer.5978:

Well as of about 20mins ago I cant get Decoy or Mirror Image skills to function.. I get the stealth with Decoy but no clone.. Mirror Image just fizzes momentarily and no clones.
Added to that mobs are still targeting my Mesmer when stealthed.. and for the love of all things holy fix the kitten speed booast issue with Focus 4!!

The performance of this game has gone to the dogs since EOTM patch with random crashes all over the place and skill lags everywhere not just in Mists/WvW.. so at the very least get our Mesmers ruddy well working as they are supposed!!!!

yep decoy has been buggy for a while. very often i wont get a clone. but mirror used to work.hmm did they do a hotfix or something?
ugh why are we sooooo darn depending on stupid ai to work. ai in this game is sooo buggy!!!!anet, just give us options to spec for non ai builds like necro can so at least when u destroy our illusions and all the stupid ai we can at least use another build that is non ai like not depending on clones like not depending on phantasms that bug out like not having an los and obstructed bug because of ai oh and like no ai!
abviously ai is hard to program, so why on earth would u force a light armor class to be a pet ai stupid 1v1 only class that always gets hit with a ton of bugs?
just give us NORMAL aoe groundtarget aoe and we can at least still function

Curunen.8729:

selan.8354:

Curunen.8729:

Alissah.9281:

Curunen.8729:

As much as I’d love mesmer to be the focus, I can’t in good conscience put it above ranger or ele at the moment.

Here, drink this water, then go to the cdi thread again.

• gives a scentless, tasteless and colourless liquid containing 95% alcohol *

Now I’m too busy dying on the floor.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Then go back and move Mesmer to #1 slot. That’s the slot that will receive attention first.

What’s a mesmer? hic

lol no dont get drunk because u will accidently move the warrior to the first spot

Someone already did… I’m not joking – look in the thread.

(To be fair they said “balance”, not buff)

yeah i think ill just give up hoping for mesmer to be reworked….tired of veil. can we vote to have veil,tw and portal removed? so maybe we can get aoe for the mesmer. im sooooooo tired of veil! i really hate veil…i think i even hear people scream veil in my dreams thats how often i have to serve as a veilbot..XD
hmmm i think i might need a shot now.cheeers!