Guild Wars 2

yeah irouge is very buggy. it does take time till he attacks….used to be spawn and boom….oh well another ai bug i think….

Kaiyanwan.8521:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Entangle

Entangle hits up to 5 targets and deals damage and immobilizes the target.
How in the seven layers of hell can you even remotly compare it to moa morph, which does not hurt you and give you skills to do damage or escape faster?

very true. seems like a few people got hit by this troll skill and got mad. i got moaed in the middle of a zerg and survived by escaping. entangle howewer killed me quiet a few times.

wvw:
well i got some ideas about regular wvw
eotm has some very nicely designed keeps and that covers my first point:
the keeps:
once an enemy zerg gets to the keepgate there should be better otions to defend it. atm the keeps are too simple.first gate goes down then the enemy takes a few step and boom they are already on the next gate pvdooring.
gates need more health
there should be more narrow passages and places for traps so defenders that maybe just got this keep back have at least a chance to hold the zerg off for a while.
have briges in the keep that u can destroy or remove or something like that so the enemy has to either build a new bridge(wasting supply) or find another more dangerous way.
have more gates until they reach the keep lord. make the keeplords and guards stronger(like in eotm) and but also not warbannerable
also eles meteorshowers make the walls almost unpassable. it should be a little safer.
the towers:
also here they should be more complex and harder to reach the towerlord. i like the bloodlust ruined tower carver which gives me an option to pull people off and therefor have at least a little chance to fend off a blob.
the maps:
need to be wayy bigger. the zergs can move around too fast as the main objectives are very close together. also add some walls or something that have to be overcome first before they can reach your garrison. or allow guilds to builds watchtowers or something. in eotm u can also destroy certain bridges and slow down a blob. the current maps have way too much wasted space and the bloodlust area is more of an annoyance then a cool feature.
also the borderlands should be different from each other like in eotm there is the frost area, the desert area and the greener area. this is how the bl should be different.
professions:
here again im coming from a wvw pov:
(please split spvp and wvw balance as balance will never happen if this doesnt change)
atm there is 3 dominating classes
1warrior
2guardian
3ele
then there is necro who has at least great aoe, but bad defensive skills and needs better combat mobility.ds skills are not really that useful and have a really high cd, also ther is a few bugs that come with ds, so please fix.
mesmers have been nerfed so bad that we are either roamers only or veilbot servants.give mesmer viable aoe non ai aoe options, skills and traits. illusions simply dont work well in a zerg and barely any shatter ever hits a target.
ip is almost a must if u wanna make use of f1-f4 in wvw which allows not even a handful builds. im very tired of being a veilbot and i tried every single build and none of them seems really viable for wvw and large group fights. too many traits about ai. mesmer doesnt feel like a light armor class at all. we are always forced to go close to our enemy and all the nerfs have turned us into a pet class.
when mesmer bugged out during last patch and all mesmers were stripped off their illusions, that how i feel on my mesmer in a zergfight. no trait that involves illusions, is helpful as u cant have illusions up for long enough in a zerg fight.
make a trait that allows us to use aoe, rework mantras into ground targeting aoe, make shatters happen without ip or move ip trait out of grandmaster. ps there is terrible bugs we put all in one thread in the bug section, please check them.
ranger: im glad u guys will adress this disaster as they are unwanted in any guild. same problem like mesmer, too many traits around ai pet. pet dies in like 2 seconds so all skills about pet and also the traits are useless, leaving rangers with nothing. only thing they can do is roam and maybe follow a pug commander. also its terrible that the war bow skills work so much better than the ranger bow skills….
engi: needs some minor buffs, trait fixes and lots of bug fixes and will be fine in wvw.
thief: burst is way to high(11k backstabs….) but again they have barely anything else. they need lots of trait fixes and buffs before anet can reduce their high burst and stealth. also they should have the highest mobility, not warriors. they also need weapon changes(buff the shortbow, the range is very bad) and new skills. atm all they can spec into is either massive glasscannon or insane condi burst, but very squishy and has to rely on stealth non stop. this class need rework!
cc(all classes)
immobilize should not be a condition, should not stack, should be removable with stunbreakers and target should be immune to another cc or interrupt after for at least 2 seconds
chill should not stack
stun should not last long and target should be immune to another cc or interrupt after stun for at least 2 seconds
interrupts: target should be immune to another interrupt after for at least 2 seconds
knockdowns: target should be immune to another cc or interrupt after for at least 3 seconds

hmmmm the masquerade skirt looks not bad for a sorta wedding gown. this is a combination of phoenix(top), masquerade(leggins)

yep well there is a lot of hacks that are annoying.speed teleport are simply wrong, but what i really disslike is multiboxing. u meet 1 guy controling around 5 characters and boom u get hit by 5 people at the exact same time=insta downed….
but we will see if anet will find a solution which is not that easy to find. u cant just report and then expect an insta ban. so what if someone wants a commander that is good being taken out and then reports for hacking with his friends and that commander gets insta banned. so that button can also be abused.
well anet sure knows of all those hacks and multiboxers, but to fix all that they need time and lots of programming+ also a system which cannot be abused by griefers, etc.
so im sure that one will take a lot of time, but im as frustrated as u are. too bad bad players need those tricks to feel somewhat accomplished.

yep necro im having a lot of fun. i used to have fun on my mesmer, but the veilbot duty is boring and roaming is not my thing at all.
i think though war/guard/ele train will have the most fun.

hmmm not sure if i like confusion on my necro. id rather have them fix the bugs and improve combat mobility and defense. we already got a ton of conditions….and with diamond skin and all the condi clears, im not sure how long condi necro will still be strong…..

yeah im glad they are fake.
i think though its a bad idea to make a light armor class a duelist like the thief. light armor class is always a little squishy and so it would make more sense to actually fix our class so we can fit into better roles.
illusions and all traits that work great in a 1v1 , dont work in a wvw raid. as a light armor class i would like to see mesmer based, ground targeting aoe like during glamour times feedback,nullfield was and then chaosstorm. glamour was the only mesmer build that didnt rely on illusions and thats why it was good in wvw.
as a light armor class we shouldnt be forced to go close to the zerg, but mantras and mh sword will require that. shatters are hard to land on zergs and phantasms too buggy and too squishy and too much affected by cc to be a viable aoe.
if necro was only based on minions, they would be in the same dilemma.

well, its a shame sor fell apart. they were very great to fight against even when they outnumbered us like 90% of the time.

The Primary.6371:

DoYourBestBear.6810:

I think the notes are true, to be honest.

Rather than tone down AoE power, they increase it.

Rather than slow balancing, let’s shift the entire game in another direction in terms of power.

Rather than bringing things down, methodically, in terms of power, let’s throw balance darts at the wall and see what happens.

Rather than leaving DPS guard alone, let’s buff it.

Ele was a torturous class to play against at release both in terms of raw power, survivability, and cantrips, let’s bring it back.

Rather than using root cause analysis to problem solve the imbalances, let’s employ jenga balance.

I don’t mean to be overly rude, negative, or derogatory, but this sounds like A.Net.

Actually it looks like anet are trying to kill mesmer aoe ( if you can call clone death by replacement an aoe) by making sure the clones don’t cause death effects when they are replaced. So anet really don’t want mesmers to have much in the way of aoe or have very little control, therefore they want mesmers to be used only for utility in wvw.

^this is the sad truth for mes atm….however if those patchnotes are fake then there is maybe still hope. im so so so tired of veilbotting in wvw. we are a light armor class with the worst aoe i have ever seen on a lightarmor class in an mmo.
we need non ai and non ai related aoe.

clipnotdone.9634:

I think this is mostly on the devs at this point.
People keep making threads, inciting discussion, brainstorming and the like but its all generally rather one sided.

yeah mesmer community has a lot of ideas, not all good, but a ton of suggestions:

for mimic there were a bunch of good ideas
for mantras many suggested reworking them into groundtarget aoes or something like this
scepter was discussed
swiftness was discussed
and all the issues u mentioned above, i experiance too, but even worse in wvw raids. nowadays if your veil is not perfect, u are a bad mesmer….because thats all we have to offer in wvw. veil and tw…

now we get downstate changes….o.0
the expected nerf to clone death traits
swiftness nerf on tc 50%
mimic not really made useful, followed by a massive cooldown…
swiftness on chaosarmor….
tw cd reduction
bug fixes that havent even been mentioned

all this apart from tw change shows me the devs havent read any of the suggestions and dont see the mesmers problem. i say it again, we lack aoe and the ones jumping in now saying no we got berserker and we got this phantasm…no we lack ao as a kitten light armor class because illusions die in ergs. we got no options to use groundtargeted aoes apart from chaosstorm.
chaosstorm is an aoe wich i love and this is what mesmers would need more in order to have something to offer in wvw. i fight in outnumbered situations where a smaller group does zergbusting and i experience the issues of the ai and no groundtarget aoe a lot more than someone who is in a giant zerg spaming 111 or a roamer.
my role is to veil on time and tw. that the only reason im on my mesmer when running with them. otherwise i go necro or ele.
utilitybot is not fun, but anet doesnt see that problem, but i experiance this every day. veilbot duty is pressure.
anet seems happy with the mesmer as they only see it in the duelists light, we give them inputs about how we experience the mesmer, but it gets ignored. since glamour nerf the wvw mesmer started to fall to the bottom of the bottoms, right next to the ranger.
oh well time to reroll i guess. too many bugs and no help for my game mode. hmm maybe dust off my ele and finish my warrior and main my necro. at least i have aoe and not ai.

Chaos.3579:

OMG YES!!!!! focus is my favorite offhand weapon. i was so heartbroken when arenanet broke by making it “follow target”. its usuless when it follows target!!!!. please fix warden by winding back the clock on what you did to it anet

yeah it was my favorite phantasm. i could cast it and it protected me from pistol thieves, i could cast it in the middle of a zerg and get some nice dmg while refelcting. it was reliable. but now its not good anymore. i never wanted it to chase the enemy. its better if it stayed the way it was.

Frenk.5917:

Where did you find the “leaked infos” you are talking about?

the latest pastebin.u will find it if u google pastebin march 18.enjoy…..we get EXACTLY what we wanted.

lately whenever i wanna quick portal to hills,bay or eb keep, ill be waypointed to spawn instead even though those keeps weren’t contested.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

selan.8354:

yeah everyone lets reroll this class is not viable anymore and the devs simply dont know how to fix the mess.
we lack aoe
we lack condi cleanse
we lack swiftness
we lack dmg in zergs
we lack build diversity
we lack group builds

but we get more nerfs and nothing in return for a year now. ill finish my war and main my necro.

You have enough tears to drench everyone in this subforum, dude. And a lot of these complaints are woefully exaggerated and over-emotional.

who cares if im emotional,im a girl, but that doesnt change the fact that anet hasnt given us anything for a very long time. so u are happy with this then?compare it with the other classes.
i play mainly wvw raids and i havent been happy with the mesmers performance at all. then add all the bugs and no fixes. then we get random fixes, but no mentioning of ileap,blink,iwarden or phantasmal haste. im frustrated with this.

temporal curtan gets nerfed by 6seconds for no reason at all. so now we gotta equip staff in order to get swiftness?what if it doesnt stack if u run back and forth over it?

“Temporal Curtain: This skill now applies 6 seconds of swiftness, down from 12 seconds, and will now affect allies already under the effects of swiftness.”

the only changes that is good imo is the tw cooldown reduction.

tetrodoxin.2134:

Pyroatheist.9031:

tetrodoxin.2134:

Hey, at least no incredibly short-sighted, random nerfs to fundamental traits like last time! We’re making progress here!

Seriously Anet, you want a constructive discussion. Work with us. Give us something.
Or just fix the ever-growing bug list. Something. Anything?

You say this now, which means you obviously haven’t seen the leaked patch notes. Anet is apparently of the opinion that despite Mesmer being barely or nonviable in most game types we still need more nerfs.

Thanks for pointing that out. I found those patchnotes.
Sigh. At least Mimic now has a 35s CD, and PU gets buffed.

HOW COOL IS THAT.

lol. yeah woot thats EXACTLY what we all asked for. i mean yay mimic is a skill i use like 99% of the time its so awesome it kills entire zergs and insta downs every warrior! and hey im glad i get to be even slower now with 50% less duration on tc, i was soo fast on my mesmer that i couldnt handle dat speed and keept rushing off cliffs!

^ agree with pyro. mes is not viable anymore apart from 1v1 dueling. i think all mes should go on strike. good luck war/guard/ele trains go portal your stupid golems yourself and veil tw it too!

this is a bad joke!

yeah everyone lets reroll this class is not viable anymore and the devs simply dont know how to fix the mess.
we lack aoe
we lack condi cleanse
we lack swiftness
we lack dmg in zergs
we lack build diversity
we lack group builds

but we get more nerfs and nothing in return for a year now. ill finish my war and main my necro.

u might not wanna read the “leaked” pastebin notes……i had a good laugh.i know one thing. mes is officially dead,ill go main my necro from now on. at least i get to have fun.

+1 please revert the changes……..

^
yup all nerfs again.
seriously im gonna main my necro from now on. so done with being a veilbot in wvw….oh and war gets now additional daze. great….more cc. its not like i have no chance to even block 1 single attack in heavytrain as i get perma immobilized,perma interrupted, perma dazed, perma crippled, perma chilled, perma stunned…oh wait thats right and my illusions are sooooo useful in a zerg. but hey lets reduce swiftness by tc by 50% requiring every mesmer now to use a staff….well thought through anet …

Pyroatheist.9031:

Saturn.6591:

I’ve just read a pastebin containing supposedly leaked patchnotes. I won’t link them here since I don’t want to risk an infraction, but the link was posted in another class-subforum. Some interesting changes are coming, if they are real.

If by ‘interesting’ you mean making PU builds even tankier and even less able to do active damage, then sure….

Edit: And screws with our swiftness application, that too
Edit: Aaaaaaaand kills mimic maybe

omg just read it…..bye bye swiftness..why even use focus anymore? and all the rest is stupid. no aoe no nothing…please dont let this be the patch.

but at least i had a good laugh….

trooper.2650:

It says there is still more to come, though. Lets wait before panic, shall we?

i just feel like mes is always the first one to get nerfs and the last one to get changes. in the past u saw war buff this buff that and a whole list of things and then all the other classes and mes is always a small 2 line change for mes. 1 will be a nerf and the other one is something random…..

ok, so bugfixes need to be priority, but then also certain nerfs were too harsh and in the current meta wouldnt be op at all anymore.
all i want is attention. its been a year and mes has mainly received nerfs and the only thing that opened up builds was pu….we still got useless mantras which simply dont fit in well due to the rechanneling fact, we got a bunch of useless traits or too weak traits and no aoe, no non ai build options for wvw raids. some traits are badly placed, ip is the only thing that makes f1-f4 viable in wvw raids but its a gm trait,….etc.
fact is that our community has been very constructive with ideas and builds and we are constantly testing out new things or bugs, but we get no response or attention.

our wvw raid problem has been mentioned a lot, but because spvp players hate mesmers and always qq, we wont have a chance. devs seem to also not see the problem.
they destroyed many builds that used to work in wvw, but we never have gotten ANYTHING that could possibly make up for it.

war has no real weakness anymore. mes has multiple ones: cc,lack of aoe, condi,lack of group builds, terrible targeting issues due to obstructed bugs, too much ai based skills and traits and without illusions we got absolutely nothing.

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

You all are really complaining that the mesmer is weak? It’s one of the strongest classes and has been since launch.

I’m rather happy anet has the mentality of buffing things up to our level instead of nerfing us down to their level.

spvp player or roamer right? sry but mesmer is bad in tpvp and a veilbot in wvw raids. cc and condis melt us in seconds and we are bound to illusions/ai only.build diversity is very bad for wvw raids atm but yeah in spvp we do well. the only rason why people qq about mes is because they cant hit the the real mesmer.
this thread is more about the fact that anet is gonna bugfixes all other classes but us.we havent seen any buffs for a very very long time.
buffing things up to our level?!?! what game are u playing… erm war? erm thief… erm wvw ele? sry but u must be playing a different game mode then.pve maybe….

yeah :-( all the nerfs have turned us into veilbots and now all we see is useless tiny little buffs and the rest is all nerfs.and people still cry about mes in spvp.

ugh really almost 20 bugs and we wont even get mentioned. well time to roll war. veilbot is just not fun anymore and mes with those bugs a a nightmare!this class will only see nerfs until no one plays it anymore.

so mes didnt even get mentioned in the newest balance preview…?wow ty. around 20 bugs and all other classes get priority. meanwhile cc out of control in the game and mes is a veilbot. great maybe in 6months when noone plays mes anymore we might get a little attention.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Feature-Build-Balance-Preview/page/16#post3667926

wait illusion of life used to work on npcs? because i though illusion of life only works if someone is downed and u can make him get up temporarily. it doesnt work like a warbanner its more like vengeance…

omg seriously again moa qq. ok anet, please remove this useless troll elite from mes and give us something useful instead.

signed mesmer

wow so we have patches for the new story, but not a single bug got fixed. i mean just iwarden or something would be a start….i still cant hit unbuilt oil with my gs, i still get random obstructed, terrible los, iwarden broken, phasntasmal haste broken…cmon please please fix. some of these bugs are really terrible. just start with 1 for each class per patch.
how about fixing the ai not attacking bugs in 1 patch: necro, and im sure ranger and mesmers need this fixed.

Cynz.9437:

selan.8354:

Cynz.9437:

anyone who chose to play a lazy class that relies on computer doing the job for you, gotta deal with consequences

if it was up to me i would make them more of utility thing than main dmg source (like it is in many cases atm)

what the hell? that is the dumbest thing i ever heard! i played this class since launch and no class is a lazy class. plus memser had a lot non ai builds before all the nerfs destroyed that.id rather have less ai. so u are saying that everyone should play war then?or do u want just punish people for choosing a class they like?seriously take your hate speech somewhere else!

That is just rude… it is fine if you disagree but you don’t have to be so offensive.

AI makes up for mistakes of bad players ( you can CC player, but pet still is attacking you; you go in stealth to get better position but pet still gives you out; you actually down the player but pet can eventually kill you too and if you both are in downed state, ai class will win etc.) but it is indeed burden for good players since AI can do only so much hence why i said pets should be more of utility than source of main dmg like it is for some classes/builds atm.

well, sry, but u came across very rude yourself by calling people lazy because of their class choice. (“anyone who chose to play a lazy class that relies on computer doing the job for you, gotta deal with consequences”)
i liked mesmer and not because i expected it to be a pet class which it was turned into. u cant say people are bad players because of the class design. most of the players play multiple classes and good players will know all of them. mesmer is a 1v1 class, and u do need to know how to play it if u dont wanna die every 3 seconds.like i said before multiple times, most of the classes that depend on ai because of their design, would like to have another option. i want a non ai build on my mes, but anet made that impossible for me.
1, because of nerfs
2, because by design every single weapon has a phantasm and lots of them creat clones
3, because our main f1-f4 are all about shattering illusions wich means u need illusions for it if u dont trait for illusionary persona
4, because 80% of our traits revolve around phantasms,clones, shatters…ai

so how about u try to make a mesmer build without using any of that. try to play the class and enjoy all the bugs which we all have gotten used to by now. enjoy the fun of veilbot, no stability, terrible condi cleanse, squishyness,obstructed and los bugs, broken phantasms, and also enjoy trying to kill a warrior with a non pu, non glass build.

having an opinion is one thing, but calling people lazy for choosing a class and that they deserve the flawed design is not cool. thats why i called it a dumb comment. i was offended by your comment!

i think pets do need fixing, but its not the solution for the terrible wvw ranger. rangers and also other classes that are ai heavy should have non ai build options with viable multitarget skills.
so a ranger should have an option to stow his pet away and have more traits that are not ai based.
its the same with mesmer. id rather have less ai on my mes and more aoe(erm light armor).
and ranger should have less pet only traits and more actual dmg traits that are non pet based. how about more traits for ranger longbows and better trap like skills?

if most of your builds are about ai then u will have a bad time in wvw. i mean yeah great that your pet can do this and that with those traits, but pet dies=traits useless.
with my mes id say its even 70% of our problem that most of our traits require either a shatter(illusion run towards target and in wvw wont reach for the shatter=no aoe=no shatter trait= wasted skill and trait) or a clone or phantasm( clones die in 1 hit, phantasms get 1 shot easily and most of them bug out or are broken like iwarden).

so anet seems to have a hard time programing ai correctly for those classes. los issues, obstructed issues, terrain issues, ai not attacking, ai to slow, ai doesnt spawn or dissappears…..
so why cant they just start reworking those classes and reduce the ai dependency and giv mes(light armor needs ranged aoe), necro( defensive skills, combat mobility and or better ways to escape combat), ranger(whole makeover!i also find it ridiculous that longbow war is better with longbow than a ranger….)

yeah reral in wvw would one shot glass eles and mesmers with feedback. it was very op in wvw.

Cynz.9437:

anyone who chose to play a lazy class that relies on computer doing the job for you, gotta deal with consequences

if it was up to me i would make them more of utility thing than main dmg source (like it is in many cases atm)

what the hell? that is the dumbest thing i ever heard! i played this class since launch and no class is a lazy class. plus memser had a lot non ai builds before all the nerfs destroyed that.id rather have less ai. so u are saying that everyone should play war then?or do u want just punish people for choosing a class they like?seriously take your hate speech somewhere else!

Romek.4201:

arenanet plz add tournament games played to avatar and dont allow people with lower than 250 games played in this forum anymore

seriously just read this tread full with wvw and hotjoin bullkitten

dude, u got wannabe elitist issues! we are explaining things to the op that was whining about mesmer skills without knowing anything about this class. u think u are soo much better than everyone becausseeee….? let me guess u main a thief. ranks mean absolutely nothing. we all have the right to discuss, we dont need a rank for that. so might wanna resize that giant chip on your shoulder!
and instead of just insulting everyone with your false pride, u might wanna at least try to contribute to the actual discussion. i really could care less about your rank, i care about this discussion.

aleks.5473:

Nerf ele’s are you mad haha. People dont play eles becouse they die in 1 sec.

its 6 seconds….they got armor of earth…….

Handin.4032:

Matipzieu KyA.9613:

Those numbers sound really off. No character has 48,000 health; I’m not sure even extreme vitality builds (which would be of marginal utility) would crack 30,000.

One of my mesmer builds uses PTV gear+vit runes and sentinel trinkets and weapons and when fully buffed mid-WvW week I get ~30-31k health, so it is entirely possible for even a mesmer to get around 30k health. However, my guess is it was either a pure zerker ranger and the OP just didn’t dodge, or he was hit by a legendary defender

omg of course. op,were u close to enemy spawn? if yes u got hit bi the legendary defender. they use rapid fire! u cant get close to the enemy spawn area or u insta die. also if u are running a glass build on anything else than a thief, than u can expect 13-16k backstabs.

meoteor shower is such a powerful aoe that it does need a red circle. dont forget that eles pop meteorshower and then use tornado with it to get even higher dmg so i did get hit by 6k meteorshowers before and very often u cant see what is actually hitting u. so no way to react. circle needs to be there.

well yeah im talking from a wvw perspective and remember when the bug mad illusions die right away when target went into stealth? well this is pretty much the raid mesmer in wvw. our clones can be replaced yes, but they only deal dmg if a u shatter them or b u got them traited for clone death. i run power pu as condi mes is not viable in zergs at all.
phantasms cannot be easily replaced as they have a longer cooldown and due to multiple bugs (like los/obstructed bugs or iwarden that doesnt attack) or bling or out of range phantasms wont spawn properly.

i agree though that the bugged minions are terrible for necros and necro pets are a disaster. however necro mm build is the one build that kills me very quickly in spvp but that was before bug came back.

yes im tired too. i main a mesmer and almost all of our ai suffers from bugs. i wish they would at least give me the option to have a non ai build, but mes has nothing left. clones attack random targets, die before they can shatter, phantasms are bugged out like iwarden, then ther is obstructed and los buggs everywhere, cannot cast a phantasm if enemy is on uneven terrain, i hate that clone shatters are my only aoe next to phantasm aoe and then all i have is chaosstorm as a real aoe….and im a kitten light armor class.
i understand that ai is hard to program, but seriously give classes like rangers and mes non ai build options for wvw raids, because that where both of us lack the most(ranger has it a little worse as he doesnt have veil)

yeah because the tooltip doesnt say that its unblockable and stability should prevent u from being tossed around.

noobftw.9654:

Phantasm and Pu need to be reworked. 4-5k-ish attack is too easy to land. Except gs Izerker, other phantasm skills are poorly telegraphed. Cd on phantasm skills are too forgiving for such big damage. Sure it’s not hard to find the real Mesmer, but when there is one or two phantasm landing 4k dmg every couple a sec each takes 3 hits to clear, and the real Mesmer keeps moving into you blind spot with 0 telegraphed skills which can be spammed if traited, fighting Mesmer becomes a questions of whether you have spammy aoe or someone else as his main target. I find fighting Mesmer very silly. I don’t think anet did a great job on this class

erm 4-5k dmg?what class is this i must play it. seriously izerker can hit u hard,yes,but 20 sec cd and a very obvious animation when casted. i warden is beyond broken atm, it wont even attack. none of my phantasms hit this hard and im power pu. in wvw i cant even reach that high with foodbuffs and all that unless target is pure glass. most numbers i get are around 2.3k-3k
u are venting about pu and phantasm glasscannon in the same go. sry, but there is no phantasm pu build as it is simply impossible to trait for that.

if u guys wanna take away phantasm dmg, then mes needs a buff to their weak weaponskills that are not phantasms. sry u whine about phantasms which can be dodged, but u dont complain about other things in spvp that does way more dg to u(aka 8k backstab thief, eviscerate, 4 autoattacks of a powernecro with dagger, 3 auto attacks with a dagger on thief, 2 autoattack glasscannon pistol thief, 1 meteorshower of an ele, 4 autoattacks from a ranger, 4 autoattacks from a warrior. my aa deals 657,657,1200 how much does yours deal if running power build?

also u cannot simply nerf phantasm dmg as every single build out ther uses phantasms, even the ones not specced for power. so this would affect the none phantasm builds way more than the actual glasscannon phantasm mesmer.

pu is a strong trait, yes, but its defensive and limits u in other areas. i cant trait for shatter and pu for example, i cant trait for pu and phantasm either. both power pu and condi pu are 20/20/30/0/0 as u want that torch cleansing and lower cd, also if u check the other stealth abilities, check their cooldown again. yes, the only stealth that recharges quickly when traited is the torch one.

so if u wanna make great use of pu, then u need 20 in the first traitline, if u wanted(clone on dodge) u need 20 in second traitline and pu is 30 on 3rd traitline.

omg there is even butterflies XD

yepiv noticed and it does not make any sense that stability is useles vs tornado! also eles use a trick to get more dps out of meteorshower by dropping ms and then using tornado…it could be a feature, but meteorshowers hit too hard and dont have a red circle which has to be there so people can dodge those 4-6k(if glass 8k) aoe hits.
so give ms a red cirle and make stability prevent the knockbacks.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

You have nailed it. Mesmers were a mistake to add currently how they are.
They work off the brass ring theory. Phantasm keep repeating their damage, clones if left can be used for shatters. If you purposefully destroy phantasms/clones they cause you damage. If you do destroy the phantasm/clones they get recast easily.

This ultimately means the mesmers source of damage is coming from mechanics that are not the mesmer themselves. If you wanna hurt target A you have to manage target B well. If you going to shut down target B it can damage you, but not target A. While removing target B, target A damages you. Once target A has created target B it then goes on to damage you and Target A now can play active defense whilst their passive attack does their damage for them. It was flawed thinking in my opinion.

even though not with all points u brought up, i somewhat agree with u. mesmers are not designed correctly. we have to rely on those clones and phnatasms wayyyyy too much. we are light armor class with squshy,buggy pets and 1v1 dueling skills. so why on earth arent we a medium armor class then?
but then again if anet decides to fix our class, then id be happy to give up 50%-70% of the illusion stuff and get some non ai, aoe and multitarget skills. in wvw all those illusions are pretty much useless the way they are as they die too quick and shatters barely happen without ip trait. so believe me im soooo over illusions!

Pyroatheist.9031:

Dawdler.8521:

I’m sure its a nice video, but all I can think of is the major legal issue of using that intro unless of course you have written permission from Disney.

Internet has damaged me.

As long as he isn’t making money off of it, it should be fine.

That being said, the intro made 0 sense imo.

im a professional editor and no it did not make sense at all. hmmm if u are not good at titles but u have a mac, try motion to create title. its fairly easy to use. or use imovie editing program.
if u ever need tips or so, let me know :-)

Phi Is Sly.1857:

Ill just leave my video here again, i can add clips of meteor shower ect killing me in 1 shot also if u like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB6zdwc7iWY&list=UUM8NqxY8uiOsuc-JFj22SoA&feature=c4-overview

yeah i get 1shot sometimes by usng feedback on a retal zerg with lots of projectiles….

yeah noticed that bug too and its annoying. on my mes i have the same bug with the iwarden. it summons and stands there and does nothing……same with minions. they get summoned and then the hang out chilling while thief bashes me….oi anet simply does not know how to program ai right…..

Gallrvaghn.4921:

One mesmer alone is fine and finding the real one isn’t rocket science. Two can be very tricky. Three? Goodluck with that.

A mesmer coupled with other pet classes like Spranger and MM Necro is a nightmare. The screen clutter makes you want to pick up your vacuum and use it on your monitor. Stacking pet classes is the problem.

And for those that defend mesmers, yeah mesmers can only generate three clones at a time but once shattered, can generate another set and thus results in more than 3 clones present on the battlefield as long as the shattered clones have not shattered yet. I do not support the suggestion of reducing the number of illusions generated but I think what would be a nice solution is a better targetting system and a way to counter screen clutter.

its not like we wanna stack or anything, but our clones will pop up no matter what and phantasms are part of our class too. seriously i would prefer having less illusions and more actual light armor skills like non ai aoe. so if u guys wanna nerf then give us aoe and non ai traits and skills. im myself fed up with being a pet class only now. we used to be much different, but all the non ai builds got nerfed to the ground

yeah but mh pistol will be another single target dueling 1v1 thing. we already got alll that. i would love to have a mh option for pistol, but mesmer needs an aoe weapon. staff is not an aoe weapon. it has chaos storm and a single target phantasm with an ultra slow aa and an overnerfed chaos armor.

i mean more like an aoe weapon like the necro staff has all marks, the mesmer should have something like that with multiple target hits. less 1v1 more multi target