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well i would love to fill the role of what gw1 mes was. punishing which doesnt mean to be a support that cant deal dmg only. it means something like glamour mes was. glamour was punishing mindless spammers. yes, i di get killed at first by glamour, but if learned to slowdown and use condi cleanse.
so if our role was more like this again it would make mes way more dangerous in a zerg fight for example.give us some traits and aoe options that are punishing,deal dmg and can slow down those heavy cc spam trains. just give us something back from the gw1 mes, we dont need more ai and this should not be a pet class anyways. there should be build options like the necros has: u can use mm build but u also can use well builds, condi build, power builds. we are wayy too dependant on clones and phantasms and shatters, we need new options so mes can do well in other game modes than spvp

Chadramar.8156:

IMO this is one of the more annoying examples of why balancing a game primarily or exclusively for PvP is such a pile of steaming BS. Why should any given class be “punished” in PvE, especially out of combat, just because it might “unbalance” some other game mode that any given player might not even engage in or give a toss about?

I really wish this game had mounts, at least.

well the problem is that anet only balances around the spvp mesmer. they dont even see the pve mesmer nor the wvw mesmer. thats why the confusion nerf hit us so hard when anet decided to not split wvw and spvp balance anymore. now wvw is a complete mess, the cc spam is terrible, also many other things should have never made it to wvw.
same with pve, lots of the nerfs and changes came again out of the spvp pov that the devs have. esport esport esport! they forget that u cant balance pve similar to spvp and definitely not wvw where u have foodbuffs,siege, guardleech,bloodlust, applied fortitude, etc.
we need out of combat speed to be better in game modes like wvw and pve.

gesho.9468:

they dont move, dont follow the target. their damage is probably lower than that of phantasm’s. and they have way longer CD’s.

is engi 2nd grade citizen?

erm sorry but u have strong other attacks. your aa is strong and an engi can hit like a truck. mes cant as our aa is terribly weak cause phantasms are our dps.

so erm about that hitting the oil build side in wvw and the los issues with hitting stuff on walls….erm and that iwarden, and btw idk if this has ever been intended but if a necro uses ds2 on feedback i get pulled right in the middle of the enemy zerg instead of him being ported. so feedback reflects projectiles and should not twist abilities around i think….that necro d2 even pulls me through the door. so that shouldnt be intended…

MailMail.6534:

I hear ya brotha!!! Decap engis aren’t balanced either, but I think overall, engi is more balanced than other classes. Let’s not derail the thread though with that discussion.

I think people who choose to main Mesmer are on the higher end of skill level (pats self on back). That being said, when the “average” player faces a decent mesmer main, they get frustrated because like someone said, they can’t just 1111 him to death.

eta – you’re right. I only play pvp, but I have heard that Mesmers lack a role in wvw other than using glamours.

ah i see your point very well then. yeah spvp i still am having fun on my mes. wvw is just lacking the role and aoe and a lot of the things u can use in spvp. imagine all your illusions would always go poof the moment u pop them.
but yeah people hate on mes. they hated us even more in wvw when we had our glamour builds. caus glamour punished u hard for button mashing. i think mes should be even more punishing imo. more aoe punish skills would be nice and maybe bring back some of mes role in wvw.
yhats why people love thieves. 1111,2222,1111 and u can just constantly put pressure on your target, but if they do this to a mes or accidently to a clone, it hurts them. (btw my favorite part about the mes. punish mindless spamming, yay)

MailMail.6534:

I’m not sure. This may be an unpopular opinion here, but I think Mesmer is one of the most balanced classes in the game next to Guardian/Engi. waits for my fellow Mesmer-users to flame me There are ALOT of issues with most classes, and I honestly feel like others are either severely OP or UP.

That being said, I played with some people recently that didn’t know how to stomp the right Mesmer. -____- I think that says enough.

well depending on what game modes u play and how. some of us play wvw raids in organized groups and see the issues which u might not experience. and i think thats what the devs do aswell. they watch spvp they watch hotjoins, they dont see many bugs, they dont see issues with ai, they dont see the ai bugs that show more in larger group encounters.
people that play spvp, hate mes, cause they dont wanna have to think when mashing 11111. mes uses your attacks against u, the more u mash buttons the more u hurt yourself, but all this is not what the mes problems are. the mes lacks at other places and saying it is balanced is your opinion of course but based on a a little narrowminded pov. mes is not balanced cause we lack in different game modes,

yeah i can recommend it in pve aswell. i tested it in other game modes but id say in pve it works the best. i wouldnt recommend it in wvw though as the cooldown is too long for large scale fights where it is nearly imppossible to keep up illusions.

honestly i think in the beginning there was a complete different balance team. i think balance was not perfect of course but it was better before they started treating wvw and spvp the same way. its not the same game mode and need separate balancing like they did in the beginning. i think devs reached a point where they dont know what to do with the mes. it seems they dont wanna buff us at all cause they are scarred. also they are to proud to revert certain things they screwed up. if i was a dev i would not be afraid of unnerfing something or i would just have reverted the iwarden back to its previous state etc.
i just feel like the devs also only see the 1v1 performance of a mes and roaming performance. they refuse to see issues. they rather nerf us then buff us. cause they play spvp and therefor dislike mes.
anet needs fresh non bias balance people. someone that doesnt know the game and goes ahead and analizes every game mode and how each class performs in it.someone that doesnt main any of the classes. someone neutral.

^ what pyro said. mostly people that cant figure this class out. they never played one and then whine cause they cant find the real mesmer. i play mesmer and yes mes can kill me but i can handle them. so people just blindly hate mes and i think some devs dislike mes too deep inside.

seriously we gave anet all we can. we analized the bugs in detail and made videos. then we made even suggestions on how the bug might be addressed, so now its on u anet.if u cant fix iwarden then revert it to its former glory until u have found a solution. it is attacking but not reflecting multiple projectiles anymore. just revert it until u can 100%fix it

Chaos.3579:

remove the boon duration on signet of midnight and change it to +25% speed increase.
- fixed

yeah a signet would sure be nice with a passive speedboost.eventhough im so used to being slow as i havent run focus since iwarden broke. i just blink around and try to catch one of the guardian speedboosts atm

i just finished mine today and nope no monthly laurels and no i havent finished it before at all

Lydon.1890:

It’s disappointing that ANet are seemingly ignoring an entire class. Some of these issues should have been fixed long ago, and the excuses for not addressing some of our concerns just don’t cut it. As someone who doesn’t care much for alts, it pains me that I’m just expected to sit around and twiddle my thumbs until ANet (hopefully) wake up one day and decide to fix Mesmers. This blasé treatment is hardly in line with the game that they set out to create a few years ago.

thats how i feel. i love my mes. i had her like 1 month after headstart and never looked back. i made alts but dont play them often. after iwarden got broken, i made a necro and i do find myself playing her more often atm as im feeling exactly like u do. we have been waiting for over a year, we were sad and lost after confusion nerf, but we were all hopeful and were waiting…what folowed were more nerfs and then all the bug kept adding up 1by1. it took them 6 months to fix iberserker,iwarden is getting close to that now aswell…
and now this patch anet barely even touched our class. terrible unfinished or missplaced gm traits and most of the bugs still havent been fixed and then another nerf and absolutely nothing to improve the mesmers groupbuild diversity or even a real wvw raid build option.
seriously, how long are we being ignored?how long must we wait until we finally get attention, real attention not just bugfixes. we need rework, trait improvements unnerfs and new traits so we can be viable in every gamemode not just 1v1.

ive been playing around with pu condi a bit but i prefer pu power still

Teufel.9864:

Just an idea I’ve had, AE for WvW, one trait(maybe a GM) could have been a -% damage taken on clones and phantasms for a second or two, which would have given a short window after cast to pull off shatters instead of instant death.

hmm yeah something that allows the clones to reach the targets at least. cause that is a big issue with shatters not working anymore cause of aoe spam

Bo Van Swill.7619:

Meet my confusion mesmer still perfecting him but he is nasty already, After the confusion nerf a while back i gave up on confusion but tried it again and loved it in a zerg feedback gives me stacks of confusion on lots of targets

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhIQNAW7fnsISja2pGuqBzaGZ2YO5M/g6kOqoSGQyA-T1yCABAcBAO+hAAouADM5g8RAALlCNpkb59H8R9nsUGMmSwAAIAzcmJzAQKAIWWB-w

errr well i think u got the classic glamour mes build right there but u use de instead of confusing enchantments, but how can u even closely deal any form of dmg if u dont use the donination trait with this?
i did play full glamour for a while this week just so i can tag, but thats the thing: all u do get is tags. u are not the one dealing great dmg to them. u deal some, but its not a real threat anymore. i get hit by glamour mes sometimes and nope not real dmg for me either.
problem with it is the hard to stack issue that doesnt make up for the long cd’s anymore.

TyPin.9860:

Daniel Handler.4816:

" But disregarding the enjoyment other players have with it, is simply closing your eyes to the community."
Turn this on its heel. You are telling him that because he and so many of his Mesmer community members are having real difficulties, they are nonchalant because you, one person, are going fine. Don’t bring the community into this. That is what I am saying. Because you have proven quite clearly that you are not aware of the community, only the profession.

You are confusing issues here. I am open to discussing the issues, picking up on “the communities” arguments and addressing them one by one and community doesn’t mean: the majority of the community is right. I was reacting, with the quote you stated, to the statement, that he doesn’t care, if I enjoy my Mesmer play. He turned a blind eye to my opinion, thus disregarding his peer in (according to your assessment a minority of) the community. You then come with that whole out of touch statement.

I might not share the opinion of your declared majority, but I am not saying: “I do not care, what you can or can’t do with Mesmer.”

first off i (she)am not turning a blind eye. but u are coming from your own point of view because u had a good time killing people. well i dont and i can tell u i talk to a lot of mesmers and guilds about this and they are not happy with the wvw mesmer state…its even an ongoing joke in my guild where they say nope we need to nerf mesmers! they say that because mesmer is nothing more than a veilbot in wvw. yes i get to kill a few people here and there, but is it because im strong or is that because my guild is doing great?
yeah its because all the guardians tank the zerg, while war cc and dmg them while necros condition,turn their boons into condis and deal aoe dmg to them them and zerker eles meteornado them. thats why we win. not because im strong enough in wvw. im only there to veil and tw!
yes i had good times in spvp, but wvw is a grind atm for mesmers. there is no clear build..everything is sort of improvised.

see it like this: in wvw how many mesmers does a zerg need? and then think of how many eles they need.

fact is u will need 1-2 mesmers and only cause of veil and tw
u can never have enough eles cause massive aoe dmg, great aoe heals, great condi cleanse, nice cc
and the more war u have the easier the win cause of cc, regen, condi cleanse, stability, regen,toughness, hp……
the more guard u have the better the boons and the longer u will stay up
the more thieves u have the less backline will your enemy zerg have
and the more necros the less boons the enemy has and the more condis the enemy gets and necros can go 2 ways, power or condi
now what will more mesmers bring to the table? a few tw more every 240 seconds? a portal? feedback?feedback what? the warriors? and necros can actually pull u to them if u use feedback…

that is the problem u fail to see. thats why i call people out that come from a spvp perspective and their own pvx experience. im playing wvw every single day and have been for a very long time and i see the mesmer change and the problems which i think u arent .
after every patch u will see a ton of mesmers poping out and testing new stuff out to see if they can come back and every single time they will dissappear again cause its still the same.
i used to have a blast in wvw on my mes and when glamour came along it was awesome. i ran in a mesmer guild and we had 13 mes with a few eles 3 havies and would go zergbusting. the glamour nerf was so harsh though that it all started falling appart and we have tried and created many builds but countless nerfs and bugs have even taken this away.
now all that is left is dueling 1v1 specs and thats the problem cause i liked wvw raids and veilbotting is not fun at all. im begging my guild leader everyday if i can play my necro or ele instead cause i dont wanna veil!

i reacted to your post because u overlook all this u overlooked the wvw raid mesmers problems because u can only see your own experiance, but u dont wanna understand our standpoint. it sounded like: there is nothing wrong with mesmer i was able to kill like 3 people and i can do this and that…

i mean even pyro who always has a new build and ideas is scratching and shaking his head atm.

cheshader.5081:

I would start with actually fixing most bugged skills. We don’t know, may be after that mesmer won’t need much balancing, some things are broken since launch, and others were broken during “fixing” them.
Until that it is too early to talk about the balance I believe.
Trying to fine tune for example a car which is not working properly sounds like an insane a bad idea to me.

only fixing bugs aint gonna make us less veilbots in wvw. it will help the spvp mes a ton though! but in wvw unless we get rework and new ways of dealing dmg besides ai, we will still be veilbots…but at lest veilbots that have working phantasms and traits.

Alasteir.7031:

selan.8354:

well i would love to have more punishing skills. cause that was the mesmers original role. thats why confusion was a great option for us. if a zerg mindlessly spammed with 25 stacks of confusion, well their loss. they should have backed off or kite 3 seconds and then attack. i can remember how glamour destroyed my guild at first and then we adapted and learned how to deal with it.
if the mesmer had such kind of aoe again that can slow down a enemies. right now this is missing in wvw. atm there is just heavytrains running in cc everyone to death and then pvd…if there was glam still, then those zergs would actually have to think and be careful.
mes in gw1 was dangerous because of such powerful lockdowns and punishing skills. anet packed it all into 1 condition they ended up nerfing. so now we need something punishing back.

i dont think we need more ai. we got too much already. we need non ai options so we can also be viable in wvw again.

Well in wvw at least, the AoE cap limits any heavy group punishing. Perhaps, they should add a secondary section to a number of condition related traits that increase the duration of confusion, so we can easily stack it high, if left alone, giving enemy players strong incentive to cleanse it, or of course, die.

As it stands, The Mesmer is more of a Magic Swordsman, or a Duelist, than a Punisher.

yesh i dont mind the aoe cap if i just could hit multiple targets more often. atm it all depends on your shatters hitting( almost impossible without ip in zergs) or phantasms to spawn properly and work properly( atm too many bugs) so i think we need to tone down the ai dependancy and give the mesmer like u said something more punishing back. this class is almost a pet class the way it is and that shouldnt be. we need like the necro has his marks and wells for condis, we need something glamour like that is punishing and does hurt too. something that can slow down those trains again.

confusion doesnt need to last longer u can make it last long enough, but stacking should be easier as a mesmer…and also a trait for mesmers to increase confusion dmg by like 10-15 percent would be nice…but then again id rather have a whole makeover of the class

Kigera.9584:

TC/FA was a fun rivalry. FA was always my favorite server to hate on. And of course the infamous yak parade!

Henrik.7560:

BG and SoS aren’t a formally agreed alliance for eternity, we are still fighting each other a bit. Anyway have fun this week people

The Blackgate War Council will pm you shortly. You didn’t get the memo that this week is not a 2v1 against JQ. Please don’t even hint at one going on.

Thanks,

Kigera
BGWC
2nd Keeper of the Warchest

ah good old yakparade aaaaah good times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qv1JMq3I1s&feature=player_embedded

well i would love to have more punishing skills. cause that was the mesmers original role. thats why confusion was a great option for us. if a zerg mindlessly spammed with 25 stacks of confusion, well their loss. they should have backed off or kite 3 seconds and then attack. i can remember how glamour destroyed my guild at first and then we adapted and learned how to deal with it.
if the mesmer had such kind of aoe again that can slow down a enemies. right now this is missing in wvw. atm there is just heavytrains running in cc everyone to death and then pvd…if there was glam still, then those zergs would actually have to think and be careful.
mes in gw1 was dangerous because of such powerful lockdowns and punishing skills. anet packed it all into 1 condition they ended up nerfing. so now we need something punishing back.

i dont think we need more ai. we got too much already. we need non ai options so we can also be viable in wvw again.

Xavi.6591:

Don’t forget, without Travelers runes you’re pretty much going to be slow.

already used to it…if i play another class im actually falling to my death a lot because they are so much faster. dont worrie we can still overkill rabits so this class is in PERFECT condition.

yeah he didnt kill the phantasms. probably the mesmer had 3 up that will hit him the moment he comes out of stealth…still wow this is a super glassy thief. i have never spiked such a number with my mes before

Menaka.5092:

Dammerung.6419:

I created a second mesmer right before the patch hit. I tried to struggle through leveling in PVE, but it was painful to say the least. So I ended up going to edge of the mists. It was like a 24/7 karma train. Just hop on a tag and go. I got about 20 levels this weekend alone, with a lot of gold and karma! And it was surprisingly fun. The zerg is a friendly bunch even though we were pv-door the entire time. Just make sure to keep up the chatter in chat, and the time will pass easily enough.

Give it a shot!

I can confirm that Edge of the Mist – altough it is a total failure from a PvP point of view – it’s perfect for farming experience, karma, gold and wvw ranks.

yeah i agree with dryce. people cry about mesmers all the time cause they are confused when facing one. they also havent played the class themselves so of course they dont understand how to counter it. the moment u are used to mesmers u will actually see how easy it is to beat
another problem is that spvp and wvw is handled the same way. mes is a good 1v1 class, but in wvw and anything tht has to do with group, mes is not strong enough to keep up. the lack of aoe, the bugs and the ai will stand in our way. and yes confusion was supposed to be our way of punshing players for mindless spamming skills. the nerf was too harsh because it happened right after the free trial weekend and all the new players complained about confusion…well with a new trial weekend people might complain more about cc…we will see.
i think mes just needs a complete rework. make us a real light armor class, fix our ai, give us traits that allow more non ai aoe and rework and replace unused skills and traits.
the new gm traits could be ok if they werent gm traits so i think a trait line overhaul is needed too.

but the bugfixes are really annoying …i really wanna be able to hit oilbuildside and i would really love to have my old iwarden,clones and other stuff back

i agre with u musu. the reason im upset is that we have been waiting and waiting and my wvw experiance has gotten worse and worse especially with the cc spam meta. i just dont feel like my favorite class which i have 5 armorsets and full ascended weaponsets and trinkets for differnt builds, my class that i have played since a month after release and a class i have loved in wvw. then the glmour nerf kicked in and all the other nerfs hit patch after patch and now im stuck with a class that gets no attention no buff, no changes, we get useless stuff like illusion of life fix, mantr buffs that are not really enough to make a mantra build rally viable and no improvements for our wvwv raid aoe issues, ai issues, ai buga, bugs and even more bugs.
fact is any other class can do exactly what we can but better apart form veil we got nothing that makes us stand out or give us a clear role other than veilportaltwbot.
we are alight armorclass with worse aoe options than the thief has…i mean really? feedback? feedback what? the warrior hammer?shatter? yeah sure all my clones are able to reach the zerg with no problem, its not like there is a ton of necrofields,meteornados earthshakers everywhere… fact is, confusion was our core mechanic and it was nerfed to the ground, also many other things that the mesmer had got nerfed. i mean thieves can spam blind our blinding befuddlement gort an icd, war can spam cc and perma interrupt and stun u, our power block get an icd, condi necros could spam condis and melt u in seconds they got nerfs but condis still viable and strong, mes glamour builds were nerfed to the ground!
there are so many things atm that just push us out of the meta to the bottom and this patch made this issue even worse as we got pretty much nothing at all.

we need lees ai, less 1v1 only, more group stuff, trait rearranging, trait changes, replacing of useless skills, non ai aoe options cd rework(240seconds on twarp?), we need a clear role, we need multi target dmg options, we need BUGFIXES!!!!!! we need old nerfes to bee looked at like chaosarmr, bb, blurred frenzy, confusion(give mes an option to increase confusion dmg), los nerfs need to be worked on as they caus a ton of obstructed bugs, etc.

and dont try to sell bugfixes as buffs and actual work on our class, its not, bug should get fixed no matter what and not be the reason why we cant get buffs.

Rym.1469:

Mesmer should, same like Ranger, return to it’s core of GW1. The main goal of mesmer was supporting team indirectly (from my feeling) via making the content less threating and more accessible for the rest of team. They had some nasty spikes, but most of skills were about playing with interruptions, punishing target for performing certain actions.

The whole class theme was like “No, no, you won’t do this, I’ll punish you for that”

Now that Power Block trait looks like a right step in this direction

Just look at Mesmer’s abilities from GW1, I leave the link here:
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mesmer_skills_quick_reference

TyPin.9860:

@Swish.2463:
Phantasm play – fun to play to me
Shatter play – fun to play to me
Stealth – fun to play to me
Some nice CC options – fun to play to me
Invulnerability stomping – very much fun to play to me

I was today playing sPvP all day. First hot join and then Solo arena (or how this is called, cuz of Arah progression). And I was playing it all with Mesmer and it was super fun. It was hard, especially against those immortal engies and warriors and by no means did I dominate the arena. But it was fun and except for one Mesmer I met I faired well. Mesmer stealth play is not that hard to look though btw.

I agree that holding a point can be done better with other professions. On the other hand did I manage to delay groups of 3 players on one point, that they already capped, with my Zerker build (them being downed often might be a reason for them staying there). And those 3 players were no worries for my team mates that way.

I run Shattered Condition so I basically hard countered condition builds. So many Mesmers, Necros, Thieves, Warriors and Engies tried to burn, bleed, confuse, torment and fear me down. You could say I was a Condition bunker. I don’t know, if that is possible with another profession. (The irony is, people complain about conditions builds being tanky with high damage. Well, I tanked all the condition damage and did nice damage spikes)

u are seeing this from an spvp pov…soryy many of us dont main spvp at all. i play wvw and not the roaming kind. i like the massive battles and am running with a zergbusting group and no mesmer is only there to veil, thats the only reason why we are accepted otherwise we are outclasses underpowerd and not useful at all. soo many bugs, no aoe, ai is terribe, even more bugs…sorry i dont have fun on my mes anymore and i dont care if u can 1v1 some hotjoin people.

erm ele by far. just check the numbers between full glkittenter or phantasm mes and full glass staff ele. staff ele meteornado i can spike numbers up to 10k. i got hit by dd ele before patch for 10k too.

problem with mesmer is not that we cant deal high dmg which is less than the dmg from other classes, but its also we cant keep up pressure cause phantasm always on cd and then all u got left is the weak weapons and yes shatter mes is a little better with dmg upkeep but other than that we are far behind other classes. i had a war litterally running in a circle not attacking and i couldnt burst him down with gs + sword/pistol cause he didnt attack me. so yeah mes especially after patch is def weaker than other classes in burst dmg

also no wvw is not for mesmers. the only reason mesmers are allowed in organized groups is for veil and tw! feedback? lol what projectiles u gonna reflect? the war gs ones? or the war hammer ones? mes has no aoe perios, shatters dont hit without going full shatter build. u need ip, phantasms fail and often die before they can hit more than 1 target, single target skills are not good enough and our dmg out side of ai is a joke. ai dies in wvw in seconds so no mes is terrible in wvw. ele is the part of the meta in the gwen trains. u are just there to veil them

i think mesmer has no role apart from utiliybotting.

i play wvw since headstart of gw2
mes used to be fun and glamour was our aoe dmg and yes it was strong and i would havve been fine with a shave(not a nerf into the ground though). cnfusion was our core mechanic that was taken away over a year ago and made non viable on mesmers. what people forgot though was that mesmers had no other dmg appart from confusion with a glamour build which included massive cooldowns and bad condi cleanse.
ok nerf happened and nothing but bugs and further nerfs have been introduced. and all we got was stuff we dont need. there is no wvw raid build out there. the only reason we got a mesmer in wvw is to portal golems around, veil the war/guard/ele/necro train and tryt to deal dmg which is hard.

problems:
shatters f1 – f4: hard to pull off in a zerg without ip trait as clones will not reach targets due to aoe

phantasms: fail often due to obstructed bugs, los issues, bugs, ai problems and again ai is terrible in a zerg(just ask rangers, they can sing u a song of this issue aswell)

clones: lol u spawn them and poof in a zerg( u could spec into clone death but that tiny little condi that is strong in 1v1 is a joke in wvw

aoe: there is none since glamour deals barely any dmg, feedback is useless against melee trains and most of our weapons are single target skills. we got no aoe also because of above mentioned problems with shatters and phantasms

stability: we got pretty much non and the one we have is a mantra…erm devs, i wanna ask u: have u ever used mantras in an outnumbered zerg fight before? especially with the thieve meta where the caster(which a mesmer should be, but isnt as we are no aoe dmg dealers anymore) get ganked by at least 2 thieves. also perma stunlock, operma immobilize, perma fear,perma lockdown is an issue.

condi cleanse: yes mesmer is supposed to be weak against condis, but this is ridiculous if u see all the other weak spots a mesmer has!

out of combad speed:… either we are forced to use a certain rune which limits our build variety) or we use our broken focus, that has an even more useless phantasm on it since the so called fix.

1v1 dueling class only: this is the worst thing the mesmer has turned into! yes, we were pretty good duelists, but we used to have options to spec for wvw with non ai heavy builds like immortal mesmer and glamour build. now we lack aoe multi target hits and dmg sustain..i mean we got chaos storm that is on a longer cooldown than an eles meteorshower and does not even 1/3 of that dmg….

rng based skills: u never know what u get: chaos armor (which was a really unneeded nerf btw), signet of inspiration, chaos storm, pu and such all are way too random.

so all people see is the hotjoinmonkey mesmer that confuses new players… but seriously the mesmer is dying! we have not gotten any attention from anet at all for over a year and the bugs keep getting worse and worse. i warden was a perfectly functioning phantasm, then anet wanted to "fix"it and broke it and instead of reverting that change, we now have a broken phantasm that cant be used at all for months!!!

this is a light armor class. a light armor class needs viable aoe options period. so if i wanna go wvw, i dont wanna veil and portal stupid golems around, i wanna fight, deal dmg and have fun! im not having fun with my mesmer anymore. too many bugs, the devs hate this class clearly(probably hotjoinmonkey killed a dev too often in hotjoin),utilitybot is not fun andi can not deal dmg to a zerg…
i mean thieves have more aoe dmg than we do! and no shatters are not viable, no ai is terrrrrrrible in wvw ai dies in seconds and no clones will not help me either.

we need rework and finally aoe compensation from the glamour nerf!
but im tired of waiting so ill just reroll war and play my necro and ele more often. at least i can have fun in wvw

erm i tried out all the new traits. the torment one is interesting but hard to put into a wvw build.
i did like power block, but atm its not really viable to spec 30 int domination.
the distortion is a joke
1k healing power is a joke
and if im goint 30 into chaos then i go pu

if u zerg and u are outnumbered go pu so u can at least escape the cc spam after u put the veil down
pu power like osicats build
or pu condi

other than that …u can try shatterer if u are good, but there is really no real wvw build out there. if u want tags u can try a glamour build with torment or perplexity runes

Phent.9350:

Now all gm traits are crap, i want some statement from devs how the kitten we supose use them, i want to see the movie how they make build and play in tPvP with decent team. Power Block was only one that fell nice, was entery to the build diversity, other traits was dull an useless on relase(especialy Disruptor’s Sustainment this trait is the splap in the face, rather joke than something usefull)

yes i wanna see the devs also play a mesmer in a n organized guild group in wvw vs outnumbering zerg…wanna see how they use all those amaaaazing gm traits and how they survive oh and im sure they gonna lllooooove dat mantra build in the middle of a zergfight too oh and 1k healing power wooot!

no. stay on thief this class is doomed to be quiet honest. the devs dont pay attention to this class and dont want us to be viable or even(le shock) strong in wvw rids or tpvp. we get a tons of bugs and every single patch we get the following

1-2 nerfs
1 unintended nerf
2-5 bugs
1-3 bug fixes
2 uselss tiny little tweaks that do absolutely nothing for us
1 cosmetic change or tooltip change

meanwhile every other class gets stuff. mesmers being veilbots, not having aoe dmg, having the worst bugs of all classes, only being a 1v1 class after we were actually good in wvw raids, getting ridiculous usless gm traits, getting our core mechanic nerfed to the ground and never got compensated for it. and its been over a year since this has been going on.

devs dont put work into this class, they dont care that we have a broken phantasm for months and they just broke it even worse, they are quick at hotfixing a trait that could make mesmers strong, but they are slow when fixing a terrible bug when it comes down to mesmers,

devs also do not understand this class at all or how on earth would u explain a gm trait that gives 1k healing power, why do devs think we can perma interrupt? why do devs allow perma stunlock, perma fear,perma cripple, near perma chill, perma knockdowns, perma immobilize, but panic and nerf powerlock immediately?
i cant use my aa or blocks either when perma interrupted by thief…

etc.

NO do not play mesmer. u can mayyybe play hotjoin monkey but anywhere ele mesmer is not viable anymore!

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

We gave them a month and they have yet to fix this…are we seriously looking at 2 more years? Or are they actually intent to fix this?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Mesmer-s-Bugged-Skills-Still-Bugged/page/3

nono its not 2 years it will be next feature patch and then they realize they didnt fix it again and introduced a bunch of other new bugs,they willpromise it for the next feature patch. so in another 6-9 months, we will finally get a working iwarden and because they fixed a bug, they will refuse to give us any new traits or buffs because that 1 bug fix could change the whole balance of the game and the devs have to study the mesmers with no bugs first to see what else they have to nerf to compensate.

jihm.2315:

skcamow.3527:

QQ > learn to play?

yeah L2P ..
attack the clones get conditions attack the mesmer he dissapears over and over again constant cc and conditions rapidly , obvious godmode.
i want to see you killing a mesmser with a guardian if you have so much knowledge.

erm my guild leader mains a guardian we did duels and he killed me 3 toimes i got him 3 times. its balanced and obviously an l2p.

yeah so i still cant hit oil build side , no matter how close i am i cant hit it at all and the obstructed issues are still terrible

yeah sorry anet im on mesmer strike. unless this class gets fixed and reworked and gets aoe dmg back(glamour was our aoe dmg which has been nerfed to the ground, no shaved like its done carefully with warrior, it was nerfed to the ground of the grounds) i aint gonna portal your stupid golems your stupid warrior trains and u know what? veil your self, oh u cant do that well i dont want to.
just reroll thief if u like roaming or warrior if u like wvw or pve.

oh well mesmers cant have nice things at all. its ok that a warrior can stunlock u for 10 seconds, but when mesmer has something that could make us at least a little less useless in wvw apart of veilbot duty, then anet takes it away….oi.
oh well at least they fixed all our bugs…wait!
oh but at least they gave us so many great changes this amazing patch..oh wait

hmm on shatter i usually like to use gs especially in pve. i only use staff in pvp/wvw. in wvw staff is not bad if u are condi based if u are powerbased is use gs…im still testing out staff with the new gm trait.

Alasteir.7031:

Caelus.7139:

Honestly the game is great, but I do believe if the devs are a little bit more competent, especially in the QA area, it’d be better. I still don’t see me playing any other MMO (other than FF14 cause I’m a fan of the franchise) than this. Barely interested in ESO and Wildstar.

The devs would be more “competent” if the players would provide actual constructive criticism instead of whining. They have to gather data, analyze it, and do testing. If the players don’t provide anything but a story of an experience that can’t even be verified as true beyond their word, then it’s utterly worthless. Anet is trying with the collaborative development, to involve the community but I feel the forums are too hostile for that. And too many people here think that anecdotes = data. No testing, no sources to verify said testing, no alternative hypothesis consideration, no disclaimers mentioning the lack of testing of hard to analyze variables like player behavior, etc etc. No, just anecdotes followed by complaining.

we HAVE provided a ton of stuff especially in this forum. lots of mesmers sat together tested and tried out thing, soo many suggestions, somany great ideas. ideas to help the wvw mesmers, ideas how to fix certain things, trait ideas… etc. check this forum! since the glamour and immortal mesmer nerf, we have been trying to stay positive, we have been coming up with new builds, we tried everything out and shared it, we had ideas for new weapons and maybe trait rearranging, etc..
but what does anet do? bugs still not fixed, new bugs(some of them pretty bad,like clones not atackinf, iwarden not reflecting multiple projectiles, etc) and the gm traits…?i mean 1k healing power?!?!? i mean have u ever seen a mesmer being like omg i really want to have healing power in my build as it makes me super strong….
so no, even the mesmers that were always positive and constructive are fed up. lets face it, anet has not spent any time nor made an effort with this class at all. we told them over and over what we need and lack, we made a long thread with screenshots and detailed description of our bugs!all other classes got more attention over this entire year and now we gotta wait for anothe 6 month to maaaaayyyybe bet 1 bugfix, 13 new bugs and maybe another crappy change while still being a kitten veilbot in wvw?
im fed up and so are others. seriously lets just boykott mesmers untill bugs are fixed at least and anet promises to put effort in this class and we get group and wvw raid builds! just reroll…

Pyroathiest.4168:

Carighan.6758:

Caelus.7139:

There wouldn’t be any here, or less in extent, IF THEY ACTUALLY FIXED THE BUGS THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA FIX.

Do people still believe this?

MMO-forums are always:

• Full of complaints.
• Hostile.
• Accusing the devs of being incompetent.
• Accusing the devs of playing personal favours.
• Talking about how much less of the above there would be if only the devs would for once listen to the obviously much-better-developers players.

Since this happens in any MMO, it’s probably safe to assume that this is an inherent “feature” of the community drawn to such games, and can be ~safely ignored.

I’ve played a good number of mmos, but I’ve honestly not ever seen a dev team as…special as the ones here.

They quite literally fail to actually execute the fixes that they release in the patch notes themselves while at the same time introducing more bugs into the very skills they attempted to fix.

Honestly now, have you ever seen this before?

this exactly!i mean it feels like again the dev team worked on every other class first and we got the leftover 5 minutes. so many bugs still,then new bugs(worse ones) and nothing at all to improve our most needed things. the gm traits seem rushed and not well thought out, there is still no real wvw raid build out there, we still lack in groups, we are still veilbots and the bugs just seem never ending(i still cant hit unbuilt oil in wvw). i mean since release mesmer has seen nothing but nerfs, then they nerfed both viable wvw raid builds(immortal mesmer and glamour) into the ground of the grounds and since then nothing has been added to compensate for this big loss.
we dont have a clear role, cause every other class can do everything we can, but with less effort, apart from veil, tw and portal…so many things have to be reworked and changed and patch after patch nothing has been done for us. now i feel stuck with a class that is becoming more and more unviable in every single game mode.
i love wvw and back during glam times i loved raiding with my mesmer, now its just a stressful chore to veil the war/guard ele trains and portal golems around, while trying to tag at least something, which is hard as we lack aoe(which is terrible for a light armor class) and being squishy and having no stability(in a cc meta where u can be stunlocked to death)…

point is, anet doesnt put any effort into this class as we are always in every patch the last ones and always get everything rushed and unfinished. i mean no one ever asked about iwarden to be changed, they changed it and broke it and instead of reverting the change until it get fixed, they left it just sitting there for months! i mean if a dev would actually play this class in every game mode those bugs would have shown, they would know that staff and gs cant hit oilbuildside, they would notice that iwarden now only reflects a single targets projectile which is even worse. im just so fed up with this mess. i want my favorite class ive chosen since release to be bug free and viable in wvw again.

i warden is more broken now than before. i used to reflect all projectiles now just the targets projectile and thats an issue for wvw mesmers again! always wvw. we got nothing from u guys in this department at all and are still veilbots, now the iwarden is turned into a 1v1 weird useless phantasm. just revert it to the way it used to be!!!
it was perfect before u guys “fixed” it, i loved it and it was fine, now its so useless i dont even wanna use the focus.
and most of the bugs are not fixed and then we get nothing. seriously, just put some work into this class, help us in wvw (veilbot is sooo boring and annoying), seriously every other class has gotten stuff in the past year and war has become op, engi is now part of wvw too, but since the glamour nerf to the ground, nothing, we have been overlooked and only seen nerfs! we need aoe, we need aoe dmg, we need wvw build, we need groupbuild, we need bugfixes(still cant dmg unbuilt oil), and the gm traits are not even gm trait worthy…just help us already, i wanna play wvw raids with my mesmer without being asked to be a stupid brainless veilbot!!!!!!
is it too much to ask for the devs to put some work into this class? its been way over a year!

Natsu Dragneel.1625:

Wardens still bugged, Illusionary elasticity wasn’t fixed, Illusionary leap wasn’t fixed, still no portal range indicator, heavy nerf to the few viable PvE dungeon/fractal builds for no apparent reason???? (seriously what the hell anet) what have we got left? not much.

well u can still go veil and portal golems in wvw…apparently thats the role the mesmer will have for the next 6 months. veil veilveilveilveilveilveil!tw veilveilveilveilveilveil portalveilveilveil and phantasms are acting strange atm. mine didnt even attack properly

nah my iwarden didnt attack at all today iwarden failed 4 times again and no reflects whatsoever…and berserker for the first time just stood there

berserker,not attacking, iwarden not reflecting, image not attacking, i warlock not attacking….erm like no phantams working whatsoever…

erm u know erm ty for the 30 gold i just won from a bet where i said that u guys are gonna break mesmers again…i won!

yay and im an other 30 gold richer.i mad bets that anet will break something important…i had no idea how important. now my phantasms are useless too oi….whats next shatter hit me instead of the target?

Boyd.5438:

warden is now even worse, it only reflect the target you casted it on. so its kinda pretty much useless. cast a warden on 2 turrets, it only reflects one. fail.

wow! thats terrible. it used to be my favorite phantasm….if this is intended then the devs really dont want us to ever play wvw…seriously mesmers should go on strike! stop veilbotting, stop portaling stop timewarping. anet refuses to put work in this class. anet refused to help us to get something back for wvw raids and group play. anet only fixed a few bugs, of course nerfed us as usual and then added 1 ok trait and the rest useless leftover traits from other classes.
walk your golems in future!

just revert the change u did to iwarden and u got a working iwarden again…seriously i did make bets that mesmers will have new bugs and iwarden still wont be fixed at least i won gold now so i can reroll a warrior.this class obviously gets 0 attention from devs!

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I just asked Justin about it and he said he would ask the devs about it. Don’t worry, its noticed

Edit: Also, the power block bug(is it?) is also known about.

yeah sure they notice so much. we told them about bugs for months and when its finally balance patch all we get is bug fixes and not even the important ones.i mean anet again didnt have time for mesmer, so all we get is bug fixes instead of imporvements.gg! see u guys in 6-12 months.
seriously mesmer will never ever be viable in wvw raids again. we are veilbots forever and even devs dont care about this class. just reroll warrior at least u get attention!
im not gonna veilbot again i refuse!

well at least u got changes. mesmer got a nerf again and then a few bug fixes that some of them actually caused new bugs, completely useless gm traits and 0 improvements for this class, 0 changes, o nothing at all.0! so yeah at least u got some changes anet hasnt spent any time at all on mesmer. not at all. we are still useless and now even more powerless veilbots in wvw.
im tired of waiting! im not gonna wait another 6 months so i can actually have fun again on my mesmer in wvw raids!
ill just reroll warrior, they get attention at least.