Guild Wars 2

Let’s be honest here the ones likely to use it in PvP were never going to be great players in the first place.

So it doesn’t really matter. I really wish they fixed the mouse option though.

Simzani.4318:

They don’t seem to have an engine team anymore. No work on it has been done since the culling problem has been resolved.

Just like they had no one working on an expansion right? Just because they don’t tell you stuff, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. you are after all the perfect example of why Arenanet shuts up.

VodCom.6924:

My fear : once the players know this “trick” about defiance, they’ll just rolfstomp the boss.

I hope the wyvern will still take flight even after we’ve stunned it and still bombard us. CC the wyvern should make things faster but not easier.

edit: grammar and spelling (don’t post when you’re going to sleep)

There is no trick to it other than to time your Control effects and use it in the appropriate time. And your fear seems stupid since it is natural for players to get better a playing a game. So just like Tequalt players will be able to handle the new system in time but at the very least this new system makes control useful in PvE.

Instead of constantly spamming the forum with your random thoughts maybe read the interview that came with the new Defiance system.

You seem to have a lot of misconceptions, so seriously read the interview.

MiniEquine.6014:

I’m not entirely sure why they can’t make conquest and deathmatch modes available on all maps and then let us pick the mode we want. Especially when Stronghold gets released, having that in the rotation is going to throw a lot of people off…

Arenanet doesnt have enough players to support individual game modes and DM sucks.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Teutos.8620:

Yes, it would cause a lot of drama.

Basically in every thread you post you would have to support your argument with your own MMR. – well, I’d still prefer to see it.
While the MMR can cause drama, it could also enrich a grown up community.
Every discussion would get more value. F.e. if people are complaining about power ranger with the information of their mmr, we would be able to specify on which mmr this problem appear and therefore be better at solving it.

But instead I occasionally see people taking the current leaderboards seriously, which causes even worse drama. I once had a person on the first page of the leaderboards call me a noob and saying I don’t know what I’m talking about when I tried to explain that rushing the lord in the first 2 minutes of a match was a bad idea.

Most people that talk about leaderboard usually get booed since it is simply a function of how much time you got aka grinding for it. MMR however isn’t as reliant on grinding so it holds a higher value than leaderboard.

Kicast.1459:

I think Anet don’t give a kitten to balance in wvw.

Gwen meta for years with profession left in nowhere.
I don’t think they really care on having cancerous blob class stacking.

Like always people hate change and react like children.

This is a good change, at the very minimum it will completely change the way combat works in WvW. People will have to more conscious and simply not rely on stability to do the thinking for them. At the very minimum the current meta might get flip changed for good.

Which is great. The forums have been shown to be wrong on multiple instances (ascended gear ruining WvW for example).

This thread seems to be full of people who simply hate change because it is different. This is good and it will increase the skill cap for everybody in the game, whether it destroy WvW is something no one can predict.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jokubas.4265:

Does knowing that Christmas falls on December 25th every year kill the hype for it? If anything, a release date gives you a target to be hyped about instead of burning yourself out wondering and then forgetting about it.

Well said.

Christmas day might not be a secret but THE PRESENTS PEOPLE give tend to be a secret so you two made a bad comparison.

So you are saying it would be better if we had absolutely no clue as to what Heart of Thorns contains? Besides it doesn’t even make sense, even if I knew what the presents were I would still be hyped if they contained something I really want (which HoT does).

Clearly they are reasons why companies choose not to disclose then a product is coming out. IT is not my job to speculate why, but there are reasons whether you agree with them or not.

Make no mistake, I don’t particularly like the fact I don’t know the date but i won’t sit here and pretend like they aren’t reason why companies withhold release date. Contrary to popular believe, it isn’t always about the fans, the fans are going to buy it anyways.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jokubas.4265:

Does knowing that Christmas falls on December 25th every year kill the hype for it? If anything, a release date gives you a target to be hyped about instead of burning yourself out wondering and then forgetting about it.

Well said.

Christmas day might not be a secret but THE PRESENTS PEOPLE give tend to be a secret so you two made a bad comparison.

Terrible comparisons seem to be the new black. Why do companies such as apple and samsung make a big deal about the date of their released and spend a lot of resources to hide it. Could it be because the release date is actually very important not only for the fans but also for the company?

Relentliss.2170:

Sorel.4870:

Relentliss.2170:

I can’t remember the last time players asked for the CC to be increased or made even more crippling. With CC so spammable Stability made the game somewhat playable.

The change makes no sense.

I’ve given up on this current Dev team.

Please read the thread before complaining. There are good reasons to think that this change will not affect spvp. Furthermore, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this exact comment somewhere, so the laziness of this reply is beyond words.

I read the thread. TBH I don’t really want to be CC’d that much that I’d endorse any change that increased it. WvW would be practically unplayable for mele classes. And with all the spammable CC in Spvp it will be much of the same. No it won’t affect dueling, but it will affect anyone who is forced to do any sort of bunkering and draws the fire of more than one person.

I don’t see why they are wasting our time with this when there are so much more important issues to deal with.

How do you know the other issues the game have hasn’t been fixed yet? I mean the stability change was meant to be a secret until the devs realize people will see it anyways and revealed it.

Also the fact that they changed it means it was important enough to ignore the other issues.

Morsus.5106:

Vayne.8563:

All these people “mastering” classes within an hour make me laugh. Most people think they’re great drivers too.

To be fair though, you don’t have to be good to win fights like Tequatl, you just need to be in the right place at the right time.

True but you are assuming all fights will be like Taco and not slightly more difficult supposedly due to the new AI consultant.

DiogoSilva.7089:

silvermember.8941:

Taunt isn’t the defining thing in the holy trinity, fixed roles are.

This is not accurate. The holy trinity is not defined by fixed roles, but by very specific fixed roles: dps, heal, tank. Swap one of them for another (control, support, roam, burst, whatever), and it would no longer be the holy trinity, even if roles were still enforced.

So exactly what I said?

I know reading can be a lot of post on a forum is d tedious but maybe go reread what I wrote. I say almost exactly what you said. (meaning your first sentence).

Zefrost.3425:

Say goodbye to outplaying your opponents against unfavourable odds.

You will no longer be getting stomps in outnumbered fights unless you have invulnerability skills. (Engineer, elementalist, mesmer)

People are highly overestimating the number of stability stacks you will get from skills. You have to be insane to think 10 stacks would be granted from anything (other than elites, maybe) They are making this change so that there is counterplay against stability. If skills like balanced stance granted 10 stability stacks, nothing would change and the whole change would be pointless.

5 (FIVE) is the golden number in Guild Wars 2.

The most stacks that a skill like balanced stance, toss elixir b or any other long cooldown stability skill is going to grant you, is 5 (FIVE). At the most. Other abilities such as Foot in the Grave that allow for constant, high up-time on stability? Those will be 1 (ONE) stack of stability. 2 stacks is doubtful but no way in hell will it be higher than 2.

So, now, classes with invulnerability skills will be the only ones getting stomps in outnumbered fights. Classes with long cooldown stability skills might get stomps if they’re lucky.

So an overpowered boon should not be changed because of situations that rarely happen? Stability has been a plague for a very long time, yes it is nice that once in a while a player outplays a larger force and gets the kill but those seem to be the exception not the norm.

Solstice.1097:

hmmm this brings up an interesting thought… what if certain sigils should be made mutually exclusive with certain weapons. for example air/fire sigils don’t work on thief dagger, mesmer GS, or ranger LB. energy sigils dont work on thf SB, ele dagger or warrior warhorn,. can be done with runes/amulets too like soldier amulet doesn’t work with turret traits, balthazar runes don’t work with incindiary powder.

if not every class had the same choices, it would be 100x easier to balance things that need balancing without creating so many unintended consequences.

an example of this would be remember how Lyssa runes were nerfed? Well instead of nerfing them across the board, they could have just made them not work with basilisk venom or signet of rage.

They wont do it because it makes it unnecessarily difficult or at least that is the argument I see them making.

peaceful areas wouldn’t make sense in the context of the story. You cannot have a peaceful area in a dragon control area. You could create a new peaceful map but that would simply be a waste of resources to create something that is not relevant to the game.

OP from your topic title you clearly do not know what the trinity means.

Guild wars 2 has a trinity of its own. Taunt isn’t the defining thing in the holy trinity, fixed roles are.

A tank can only tank and soak up damage. A Dps can only dps and is weak to damage. A healer can mostly only heal and cannot be relied upon for dps and tanking. Once you pick any one of the three roles you are stuck with it forever. That is the defining feature of the holy trinity.

Guild wars 2 doesn’t have fixed roles. You can be both support and damage. you can be both damage and control. Taunt doesn’t do anything different especially majorly different from fear.

Nike.2631:

Morsus.5106:

Only if it’s a close date. If ArenaNet said “Heart of Thorns will launch on GW2’s Fifth Anniversary!”, most peoples hype would die immediately. If they said “Heart of Thorns launches March 31st!” People would start hyping even more.

By people “hyping more” you mean “the retailers screaming they weren’t given industry norm advance warning and telling NCSoft to get stuffed because they aren’t juggling their shelves on short notice to display the rogue product”, right?

To some people the concept of supply chain management doesn’t exist.

Guild wars 2 is a 5v5 game. It has been shown countless ttimes that the combat system falls apart if it is greater than 5v5.

Well it is said they will be doing 5v5. But I FEEL this will be the pseudo-GvG and then increase the cap from 5. Hence why I said to keep an eye on it.

You are not a dev, it might be a good idea to not make comments such as that.

Mogar.9216:

while there are a lot of bad players out there, I find the pvp ‘experts’ more annoying than the noobs personally.
If you are good you carry if you are bad you get carried. If you are bad and have no idea that you are bad you kitten about other people being bad.

What you said while technically true doesn’t really invalid this topic, now does it? most of the suggestions here are things people think are great ideas but are not actually great ideas.

yasb.6592:

Whats so bad about #3? Im a pvp noob but I really want to improve my skill so I’ll appreciate an honest answer :p
I get all the other points though

Would you rob a store next to a police station?

7. remember to always go into a fight, outnumbered. Waiting for teammates are for noobs.
8. Always aim for the highest personal score because that means you are the best on your team.

Buy a naga or Logitech g600 and don’t worry bout keybinds.

Supreme.3164:

style.6173:

You guys don’t understand how this works. When making decisions, ANET always asks the question: “Will this make engi even more OP?”

If the answer is yes, then they implement it.
If the answer is no, then it is not implemented.

Balance 101

It’s more that you don’t understand how the balance process work n its entirety, if you’d have a less poisoned attitude, maybe you would have been able to fully catch what the devs said during the stream : " The current abilities that grant stability will be ofc reworked, some will give multiple stack of stability, others will be more readily accessible"..so don’t worry, devs are not THAT stupid…

suprNovae.5410:

silvermember.8941:

funassistant.6589:

This “zerg” gameplay is the reason why Gw2 is fun. If I wanted roamer fights I’d go play PvP. It’s a 80 man cap per side for a reason.

Outnumbered fights are possible! It’s just bad players that cannot adapt to their circumstances that qq about “the sea of red” (Was not referring to you as a bad player, Phantom). This is a change that bad players will profit from.

You guys do realize they’re making guardians useless compared to warriors?

Anet ruins another game mode that the GvG community have worked their kitten off to get where they are.
They’re throwing away the money, time and dedication the GvG community gave to their gamemode.

With. One. Change.

GvG is not a supported gamemode so considering it for balance is stupid.

Guild wars 2 is not built for the less than 100 people who want to GvG. Personally, if this completely kills GvG, all I can say is good. The new stability benefits skilled players and punishes bad players which given your complaints would be a lot of the so called GvG players.

I want to see a video of you beating blobs after that. With that change the fights will depend more on numbers than it was ever before. A blob will just rip off a guilds stability in a sec by the fact that they have just more CC.

Your comment just concentrates on hating the GvG community for a stupid reason. Prolly because you were a “true” GvG player back then in GW1.

You can’t deny the fact that the fluent game mechanics which most WvW players are enjoying are a courtesy of the mechanic behind stability.

So either the guardian will be dead in zerg fights because you can’t keep enough stability up against the massive amount of CC in a blob
OR
You will just see full guardians trains which are concentrating on keeping 25 stacks of stability to net get CC and steam roll everything.

Wouldn’t a party full of guardians be pointless since nobody is going to carrying CC?

Also Stability has always been a cheap powerful skill that benefited from very little counterplay.

knightmawk.5673:

Caeledh.5437:

Torsailr.8456:

From what they said the utility skills are locked to the legend and there will be enough legends to match with your playing style.

There aren’t going to be a lot. I wouldn’t expect many more than four. And because of the energy mechanics the by design optimal play style is jumping back and forth between two as frequently as possible.

I remember them saying a while ago that you can equip two legends at a time to swap between. So the total number of legends doesnt really matter. What makes me think there will be only 4 is the trait lines they showed off, it seemed like there was one for the profession in general and one for each legend, so 5 trait lines and 4 legends sounds about right.

Someone doesn’t know who traits work. They are usually 4 traits that reflect the favor of the class and one class mechanic trait. Also why would Revenant only have four trait lines? Or less you think Arenanet will give them less trait points as well?

Revenant is just a new class, it isn’t anymore special.

adozu.6398:

no, it will punish the less numerous side

currently my guild can routinely wipe groups up to 3 times their size, when said group will only need to put down 1 million statics/lines and we won’t have any way to negate that it won’t be possible anymore.

stability stacking intensity just favors who can stack the most cc = the larger side.

Which will reduce open Zerg v Zerg combat and make siege weapons and capping forts more important but maybe keep WvW issues with WvW thread.

funassistant.6589:

This “zerg” gameplay is the reason why Gw2 is fun. If I wanted roamer fights I’d go play PvP. It’s a 80 man cap per side for a reason.

Outnumbered fights are possible! It’s just bad players that cannot adapt to their circumstances that qq about “the sea of red” (Was not referring to you as a bad player, Phantom). This is a change that bad players will profit from.

You guys do realize they’re making guardians useless compared to warriors?

Anet ruins another game mode that the GvG community have worked their kitten off to get where they are.
They’re throwing away the money, time and dedication the GvG community gave to their gamemode.

With. One. Change.

GvG is not a supported gamemode so considering it for balance is stupid.

Guild wars 2 is not built for the less than 100 people who want to GvG. Personally, if this completely kills GvG, all I can say is good. The new stability benefits skilled players and punishes bad players which given your complaints would be a lot of the so called GvG players.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

I think that the best test of any kind of character is being able to fight and do well on equalized footing.

You keep your appearance, but your armor/weaps cannot carry you.

That’s closer to RP than anything. Don’t the unskilled bruiser types usually lose?

What you said is true but the type that want stuff like this don’t want fairness. They want their gear grind to matter, they ascended armor.

They are also in the same class of players that only prefer open world PvP because they can hide and wait for someone to be weaken before engaging them in combat.

FirstInfantry.2795:

The stability changes sound exactly like interrupt armor from wildstar, why is wildstar and gw2 so painfully similar?

Wildstar did come after guild wars 2 so Carbine could have copied whatever imaginary similarities you think exist between the two games.

adozu.6398:

that would be the biggest hit wvw meta ever received… ever!

It might spice WvW up for good or worse. But in any case, it will benefit good players and punish bad ones.

We don’t know many stacks stability will give, so speculating about it is pointless. I also think that we might get some changes this tuesdays (feb 24) since they are taking away stuff.

I will say that the new changes MIGHT benefit good players and punish players who used stability as a get out of jay free card or clutch.

Kentrey.3251:

silvermember.8941:

Kentrey.3251 I have no idea who are you trying to convince. You have make all the fanciful arguments you want but ultimately arenanet will have to decide if it is worth the resources to make it. So don’t argue with people or trying to convince them, Arenanet will simply do what is beneficial to them, which may or may not include bringing housing. (I doubt they will do it, since housing is simply a short term excitement machine and doesn’t add anything meaningful. Then again they might, if only to be able to charge a lot of for difference housing skins).

You know why these forums are here. For us as a community to not only communicate with Anet, but to also communicate with each other. I had an idea, about player housing so i shared it to get a gauge of what everyone else thinks and more importantly why. Those who agree i’d love to touch points on the pros and cons of their views, Those who don’t agree i’d like to know why so we can come to middle ground on if its a good point or not. I’m not trying to make fanciful argument. I have a point and if someone disagrees they can give me their point and we can talk about it like adults.

And noone is saying that i’m trying to force anyones hands if anyone want to come to this thread and state that they don’t agree They very much have that right but it also mean i’m allow to try to reason with them. So we as a community can agree on one thing. Or at least come close to it. Now if there was a point in what i said that you don’t agree feel free to call me out on it.

silvermember.8941:

Very few people know that are might simply be willfully ignorant about it.

And at least for me (i program games as a hobby) so i can understand the amount of resources that goes into something like this. But that doesn’t mean we should abandon it because it won’t be easy. Its a give or take thing. We as a community, give them what we would like, and that will be everything from, housing, more living story, mounts, raids, GvG content, Canta, ect ect ect. They take what they believe we will enjoy as well as their ideas place it next to what they have the resources for, plan out and adjust as necessary. Housing , as lunarhound put, is perfect for the game style that Gw2 has. It matches along with vanity, rewards, content. And when don’t right (like so many have before) it adds so much to the game without taking anything away. And if the rewards are done right it has so much long lasting meaningful content.

You care free to communicate with each other all you want, your argument doesn’t invalid my points though. You are try to convince people all you want just like the we want a new race people but ultimately if it doesn’t suit the interest of Arenanet they wont do it.

Anyways, all I can do is wish you luck but from your post if personal housing is that important to you, I find it weird that you are not already playing a game that features it. But it is your life.

OMNIBUS.2913:

Chaith.8256:

OMNIBUS.2913:

I’m wondering what happens when a player is taunted, feared and out of stun breaks at the same time. Do they run around like a chicken with their head cut off?

Taunt will break Fear, similarly as to how Stuns, Knockdowns, Dazes, etc, will overwrite Fear now.

Ah ok. Would’ve been hilarious to see though XD

More like impossible to see.

Kentrey.3251 I have no idea who are you trying to convince. You have make all the fanciful arguments you want but ultimately arenanet will have to decide if it is worth the resources to make it. So don’t argue with people or trying to convince them, Arenanet will simply do what is beneficial to them, which may or may not include bringing housing. (I doubt they will do it, since housing is simply a short term excitement machine and doesn’t add anything meaningful. Then again they might, if only to be able to charge a lot of for difference housing skins).

yanipheonu.5798:

yanipheonu.5798:

In b4 for the “don’t like it, therefore, we shouldn’t have it” rush.

when there are only so many resources a company can spend in features, it’s entirely logical to say you don’t want them to work on a feature you don’t like, because that’s taking time, devs and money away from another feature.

game development is a zero-sum game. you can’t just have it all, you need to pick what you want to work on.

Very few people know that are might simply be willfully ignorant about it.

Astral Projections.7320:

Genesis.8572:

Astral Projections.7320:

Why? What is so necessary about the Zhaitan story that makes it required, no matter how badly it might bend the lore, and not as an optional “memory” story?

Zhaitan is not so much the issue. It’s how Guild Wars 2 operates that is at the heart of the matter. Unlike Guild Wars 1, Guild Wars 2 is an actual MMORPG with a shared world. The shared world is not a memory. It’s persistent.

Furthermore, if Heart of Thorns was a stand alone campaign separate from the pre-HoT Guild Wars Sitz im Leben, it would have to be new leveling zone and story content for everyone and not just the revenant. That’s why it appears that some are trying to turn the revenant into a profession with special snowflake treatment. The complaint is misplaced to be about the revenant when it’s really about how Heart of Thrones does leveling or co-exists with the old Tyria. Fast tracking the revenant to just Heart of Thrones content with prior content being optional gives revenant players special treatment over other players – particularly new players who buy the game – who may pick other professions.

I never said anything about fast tracking the Revenant. My proposal would have the Revenant leveling normally with an option to do the personal story as a side line quest.

What I suggest, to head off lore inconsistencies, instead of a message to start the personal story at level 10, the Revenant (and any new professions and races after this) would get a message from the “memory” NPC which says “I’ve heard about you and I have a story to tell you. Come and speak to me to hear it”. The Revenant/future races/professions then will go and speak to the NPC and the Zhaitan story will unlock, to be done with the understanding that they are doing events that are in the past and are based on the memories of the original commander.

/shrug
It’s what one finds more compelling. I find it better to do a small sidestep and avoid these future lore breaking problems. You find it better to keep the problems so that the story is identical no matter how many years pass and new lands, professions and races are added.

We will have to agree to disagree.

No you will simply have to accept that your priorities do not match the priorities of Arenanet. This isn’t really a agree to disagree, since the developers have given a clear cut answer to the whole lore breaking thing, which is “just accept it.”

You seem to have more of an issue than the guys in the lore forum.

L U X A.9452:

I am not sure it would work in wvw/pve because you need to buy weapons, armor, runes, sigils and even traits now but in pvp would be possible since you already have everything unlocked…

Adjusting your build according to your and enemies team in unranked and ranked match woukd be much easier and actually possible…

You are not on the design team, it might be a good idea to keep your opinions on whether it will work or not. In any case, they won’t bring it unless it works in all 3 modes.

Other than that everything you are saying isn’t new, we already know that.

it was confirmed it will come with a character slot.

They did say at multiple times before launch that their GOAL was esport. The keyword that everybody loves to ignore is GOAL, it doesn’t mean the same was “it is going to happen” only that it was a GOAL. Also people don’t like to admit that due to circumstance GOALS do change.

oneply.9586:

silvermember.8941:

Poliator.7021:

Assuming that Stronghold is Expansion-exclusive…

That is a pretty kittenumption.

We don’t know if it will be a HOT exclusive, just like the new WvW map. We don’t know much about the xpaction.

if Stronghold and the new WvW map arent apart of the expansion what would seriously devalue the expansion. especially if they want to charge $50 for it.

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also, i thought they said it was going to be a custom arena at first before they decide what to do with it as far as making a queue for it. adding it to the rotation would probably kitten alot more people off then it would make happy.

Not really. The people it would weaken the expansion for would be primarily or main WvWer and sPvPer but those do not add to a significant percentage. The amount of chaos locking out a WvW map will to expansion only players would be epic. The same goes IF they don’t decide to separate stronghold from conquest.

The majority will probably buy it due to specialization.

How can it be 2 years when leader boards are a recent addition?

Astral Projections.7320:

Genesis.8572:

Astral Projections.7320:

Genesis.8572:

Just pretend that your revenant became a revenant post-Zhaitan/LW S1-2 content but some some other profession before! Not that hard. I suspect it’s not that you want an obvious, easy-fix solution that requires a little active imagination on your part, but that you simply want the revenant to receive special snowflake status.

Uh huh. No doubt that’s it. (Rolls eyes)

Yes, I get it. People have objections to lore chronology, but the expectation being flaunted that ArenaNet give the Revenant something extra in the character story – even post-Red post saying otherwise – seems like vanity and a chasing of wind. It’s not happening, but it’s not the end of the world, time and space in Tyria, or the death of Guild Wars lore.

So while you bemoan the lack of a proper revenant story, I’m busy making my own. A human guardian with dead parents who after discovering their fate and deals with Zhaitan goes diving in the mists for more answers where he becomes a revenant so he can hopefully kick more White Mantle butt in Heart of Thrones.

Ummmm. Did you even read what I posted?

I’m not bemoaning the lack of proper revenenant story. If you had actually read (and understood) what I said, I said the old story is logically impossible therefore it should be left off (except as an optional side quest) and that the Revenant’s story should be the season 3 Living Story (which will be the same story for all professions, not just the Revenant). So, I’m actually saying, no specific story for the Revenant, the opposite of what you said.

Please read the actual posts before making comments. K thx.

The old story is no more logically impossible actually it is far less logically impossible than the the introduction of the Nightfall classes to prophecies. There is no point in Arenanet trying to make the revenant story, when a much efficient way would be to simply handwave it like they have in the past.

Those who follow the lore closely since guild wars 1 already know and have simply accepted it. Making season 3 about the revenant just seems so pointless, where progressing the story should be more important.

Black Box.9312:

Buran.3796:

The wall seems useless against AoE damage; the same happens with Wall of Reflection, which is one of the main reasons due this skill is fading in WvW.

So far I’m not very impressed with the new class: only two sets of weapons (a hammer which doesn’t perform as a hammer and a mace + axe). Sounds tankish and slow (we already have our dose of tanks and slow characters), not the blazing blade teleporting between targets that was showed in the first trailer.

Warriors are pure users of physical skills (offensive or defensive), Guardians are hybrid users of physical skills with magic focused on defense and support; I was expecting a Revenant as a hybrid combining physical skills + offensive magic, but so far seems more dffensive than agressive to me.

They just revealed another skill on the offhand axe at http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/feature/9418/page/2 :

“AXE: Frigid Blitz – This allows the player to hurl an ice axe through the air, chilling everyone (slowing them), and when it reaches the actual highlighted target you teleport to him and do a melee spinning attack that ends up behind the enemy, chilling him too.”

In the same post: “Roy noted that the mobility of the Revenant in combat is a lot like the Thief’s out of combat…”

Also from what we’ve seen so far, it looks like hammer rev is going to become the new zerg meta. O_O

I am going to assume you were not around when they were revealing classes. Because every single class when reveal had hundreds of players such as yourself declaring their love for the class and saying THIS will be my main…until the next class reveal. They always hype up the new class, after all how would they get you to buy the expansion.

The point being you are making sweeping statements about a class you haven’t even played before.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Well assuming guardians get it & ele’s don’t it could finally bring guardians more up to par with them for spvp bunkering.

Given the general distain for conquest and the fall of bunkering in higher levels of play, I doubt bunkering will be making a return now with the introduction of stronghold. Obviously, I am assuming that stronghold is a separate queue and doesn’t suck worst than conquest.

Astral Projections.7320:

My take on this.

In a regular MMO, time doesn’t flow between expansions. This is the sort of world a static story belongs in. In Guild Wars 2, time does flow. This means the personal story is fundamentally at odds with the living story. It is a static piece set in a game world that is changing. The older the game gets, the more logical inconsistencies between it and the surrounding world pop up.

Now, a new player starting on his story must run past broken probes. Run through a Kessex hills altered by someone who appeared after the story ended. He will see the giant Marionette lying on the ground and speak to a Tybalt selling apples in a city that is now in ruins. He can go to Orr and play alongside people who have already killed the dragon that is/was the master of the undead. A new player can turn a blind eye to all this but the older the game gets, the more the old personal story sticks out, away from the world it should have been a seamless part of.

My belief is that ANet wants to get away from the static personal story. It’s not how they want to have the story told. What better time to step away from it than with the first expansion. Since logically the Revenant can’t kill Zhaitan, then why try to shoehorn him into the story? My guess is the Revenant will start in the old world but his personal story will be the living story. Maybe they will unlock season two for all players on it and he will be directed to do that and then continue with season 3 and off to kill Mordremoth or maybe he will start with season 3 only.

Sooner or later, they are going to have to abandon the old personal story. In the years to come, if they have new races or new professions in expansions 2, 3, or 4, will they still be doing the personal story even though they also don’t fit? It’s less “painful” to do a break with it now.

Another thing to consider. The massive number of tome and writs we are getting now. Why are we getting so many? By the time the expansion starts, every current player should have more than enough enough to fast forward to level 80. New players will also be getting these. It’s possible we are getting so many to bypass the personal story and allow the new profession to get to the new area as fast as possible.

TL:DR
One thing they could do is have an NPC who any new professions (and races) speak to, who remembers the Zhaitan story and who can unlock the personal story as a side story as an optional thing for the player to do. The NPC can explain to the player that they are doing events that happened in the past to other people. This way they won’t be in a story where they don’t fit and new players aren’t blocked from seeing it.

They could do any of the million suggestions, but it seems Arenanet simply choose not to.
Personally, from a cost standpoint I agree. Why waste the effort on something that wont last more than a few hours while costing a lot of resources.

Also the precedence was set in Guild wars 1. New classes completely broke the lore.A dervish could finish prophecies even though prophecies happens before nightfall. It is one of those things that players simply have to accept.

Poliator.7021:

Assuming that Stronghold is Expansion-exclusive…

That is a pretty kittenumption.

We don’t know if it will be a HOT exclusive, just like the new WvW map. We don’t know much about the xpaction.

Iason Evan.3806:

The Revenant is a part of the expansion which we pay money for. A slot will be included in the price.

Clearly you are from the future. When guild wars 2 was release it only had 5 slots but 8 classes, there is no reason to be certain we will get a new slot.

Iason Evan.3806:

This is why the queues are being merged for Stronghold and Conquest. The base professions don’t look like they are getting access to these new conditions. The expansion is the only way to get the specializations that offer access to these. Stronghold will be playable by all and if you decide to forego the x-pac, you can expect to be a little under=powered for a month or two to “encourage” you to pick up the x-pac. Then, after a few months of spec. OP’ness, they will do a balance pass on the base professions to bring them more in line with the specs.

That is a nice post and all but what does that have to do with merging Stronghold and conquest. IT seems like halfway through your post you lost your train of thought.

We need more threads asking the same dumb question.
Yes, it is coming out in HOT. It was confirmed.

Next you are going to tell me water is wet? Very few think guild wars 2 is currently an esport, it could be, but few or none think it is.

Aren’t you the same troll who made the topic asking what are the chances that mordremoth is gay? Then went on a rant about how Arenanet loves gay or something.