Guild Wars 2

Oh god please. I run with 3 friends and we pug the last guy, nothing is worse than having some idiot in magic find or signets holding the dungeon at ransom.

Real story here is this-

1.) It was wrong of them to wait till the end to kick you. If they had a problem with you, they should have kicked you earlier. They’re either griefing because you annoyed them (seen this alot), or they genuinely wanted that slot for a friend, in which case they are kitten.

2.) If you don’t want this to happen again, instead of being a kittenhole and opening the instance so people have to deal with your dieing (as suggested above).. work out why it is you are failing and correct it so people don’t have a reason to kick you. Win/win for everyone.

Anet’s not gonna help you in this matter. Best you can do is make sure there’s 100% no reason to kick you in the future and hope u dont run into kittenholes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Wukunlin.8461:

you people are just bad and can’t meet rangers’ high skill floor

SO true.

Boring.

/15 chars

/face
/desk
/face
/desk

scepter camping guardian is not doing better than you :/

I would have kicked him for being an kitten about it.

Clumsy.6257:

obal.3218:

People argue that they do but never post any sort of evidence since they can’t back up their claims with the current state of the profession. After being called out on the other thread about how I don’t know anything I did this test to show how bad the DPS really is so people would accept reality and try a different profession. I would also hope that ANET has looked at my thread of tests as well as our other test on Brazil’s thread to see that they really need to be balanced Rangers better for PVE.

the logical thing for ANET to do after seeing this would be to increase rangers dps but what will actually happen is they will nerf warriors banner damage

^ Anet logic.

Lodius.5392:

I disagree with having one easy path to dungeons… For instance CoE… all 3 paths are hard"ish".

I don’t want there to be a breeze through part where anyone can run in and eventually get enough tokens to have the same armor set that I had to kill myself for.

There needs to be a certain level of difficulty so that my awesome armor set will give me the mindset that I accomplished something.

To you possibly, but once you know the attacks it’s one of the easiest dungeons available atm. This can also depend on the quality of your team, if you are jumping in ragtag pugs who are using magic find and other poor stat setups then you’re gonna have a bad time of it. Coe can be a breeze through run though, much like Cof. In fact most of the dungeons are, no one really admires someone in a coe set, or an arah set.. or any of the dungeon sets as none of them were hard to get. It is true some dungeons take longer than others, but the difficulty doesn’t vary too much.

I feel there should be a hard mode path added to each dungeon with a separate set of skin Armour that can only be achieved by completing the hard mode x amount of times. We already have easy mode with the current dungeons.

Vox Hollow.2736:

I changed that to OP’s performance, because I realized numbers was too vague.

I was talking to stooperdale about why his ranger isn’t up to par as other classes in coe, as he was arguing that it was good in there, what’s that have to do with OP’s numbers?

Vox Hollow.2736:

C’mon Swiftpaw, it’s not like people are coming into this thread making bold claims of meta superiority that needs to be endlessly debated, they just seem to asking to tone down the caricature. I don’t think that’s such an outrageous request, really.

I’m all for finding a little self deprecating humor in all of this, I think Eugene is laugh out loud funny. But the difference here is that Eugene is so over-the-top everybody’s in on the joke, whereas OP and his Chorus seem to genuinely believe that this is all par for the course.

In 700 hours of playing can you honestly back those numbers with your full faith and confidence? Because that’s kind of the impression I get from your defense of it.

What numbers >_>

I’m just letting the guy know his class isn’t as up to par as the others atm. He wanted to get srs by going off the deep end about how his ranger is good in coe, and told me I had not played the class. I’m just letting him know I have and why people think it’s subpar. Because it’s jack of all trades master of none. I’m not defending anything or making any bold claims :/

Chopps.5047:

Thx swiftpaw. Ironic you posted that bc I figure I’ve taken the profession as far as I can and am moving on to getting back to things IRL. Good luck out there fellas

Aw well I hope you still play from time to time ^^

‘Pffft I sit in fire attunement, fire is the best damage, no need to swap attune. Auto attacks are op. And for even more dps I run rune of the pirate because the tropical bird pops out and hits things too. Ya’all got nothin on me.’

Broadicea.8294:

Chopps.5047:

I’m fairly certain you’re in the minority. There’s few redeeming qualities and no need to snare. All you need in dungeons are reflection, group stability, and DPS and the ranger can only do one of those things (reflection). Interesting how guardian does all three. Jon P wasn’t lying when he said guardian would be the cleric profession to end all clerics. Your best bet in any gamemode is always guardian. :p

Why so down on Rangers, Chopps? Where did this ranger-loving fellow from 4 days ago go?

Chopps.5047:

On the last boss fight, if you are doing a speed run, you have to alternate what you attack: Mai or her add. Doing this in the right order (google it) prevents a HUGE aoe from spamming the arena. Speed runs in this dungeon will want to aboid the time consuming aoe but also must be good enough to focus down targets with the right amount of power. You can’t just feedback land aegis while dropping 100b like they do on the kitten Lupicus video.

Now you DON’T have to play this way. If you run it like a pick up group you will just accept that you will be dodging aoe. There’s a chance to lose a pet. Swiftness, careful dodges, well timed swaps, and signet of stone are important.

Rangers must be strong. ANET is challenging us, not hating us. They love us. So they make it hard, forcing us to improve. It’s NOT an unfair fight to rangers.

I hope that helps.

Reality sucks but I’m glad you’re here :o

Stooperdale.3560:

“Doesn’t matter how many times you mash your attacks and utilities or in what orders or combos, you wont match the Dps or support of another class. "

Again you’re wrong and you’re basing it on videos and heresay rather than what you’ve done playing the class in that dungeon. I’m not claiming great dps but the support is there as soon as you go into melee. I’m not going into CoE with zerker groups doing speed runs, I’m going in with PUGs who might need carrying through and I can help carry them through and I’d rather do it with my ranger than my other classes.

Actually, I have a ranger, it was my main. It has 700 hours + on it and I invested 200g into gear sets and skins for her. I have taken it into every dungeon many times over. The support is abysmal compared to any other class. You can claim you have support, but I can claim I have money with a dime in my pocket while everyone walks around with million dollar briefcases. Sure you can ‘carry’ a bad team on a ranger, but you will carry them better on another class. And you can forget about speedruns or good teams entirely, because that is where you will be getting carried. Now, logically, if you have such poor support, you should at least be able to make up for it with great dps.. but on ranger, you don’t.

Player Character.9467:

Since when is swapping characters exploiting?…

Anything that offends people automatically = exploits. Didn’t you know!

Have a try at S/D ele with might stacking combos.
Also if you want a challenge, try out the full glass cannon Lightning hammer ele, hits like a truck.

I’m bored with the game too, but ele can be pretty fun.

What kind of builds have you tried on your ele?

All this typing.. words words words.. all of them meaningless because A-Net’s not gonna listen one way or the other.

Stooperdale.3560:

“Imagine how much more you’d be contributing on a good class.”

No the ranger is fine in CoE if it is played right. I know there are plenty of places where the ranger isn’t fine but it can be ok there. Don’t make blanket assumptions.

-_-

‘played right’ Not the first and probably not the last time I hear that excuse for rangers lol.

When ‘played right’ as you say, you become acceptable but still subpar. The class has limitations that you cant just ‘play’ around. Doesn’t matter how many times you mash your attacks and utilities or in what orders or combos, you wont match the Dps or support of another class. All you can do is play the class as well as possible so that you aren’t a waste of a party slot.

SkyChef.5432:

Bread.7516:

This should get anet’s attention, and omg bears are so OP

As any “fake god” will do to please their children cavemen’s mentality, instead moving them up, Anet will bring everyone down to the cavemen’s level.

^ I can just imagine it now…

*A-Net headquarters *

A man rushes into a busy room with a paper clutched tightly in a closed fist. His face is distraught, there are beads of sweat building on his forehead. Everyone in the room drops what they are doing and turn in their fancy swivel chairs to face him.

‘News just in!! Rangers… Rangers are under powered in dungeons’ He pants.

The room falls silent.
He unfurls the paper and exposes it to the crowd. On it appears screenshots of rangers using warrior banners to dps. It’s become the new meta. The new trend. Desperate rangers throwing down their bows and abandoning their dead bear pets for the sturdy reassurance of a warrior’s banner of discipline.

’That’s…. That’s not possible’ , Gasps someone from the masses. It’s Isaiah Cartwright.
‘It.. it could be..’ whispers Robert Hrouda.

‘I have the solution!!’ Boomed a powerful voice. Jon Peters rose to his feet and stared the other developers down with a cold eye.

‘You should all be ashamed. This is Guild wars 2. This is a balanced game. Rangers are not underpowered in dungeons. NO! Clearly the issue lies in every other class. Starting from today, we will lower all damage skills from every class except ranger until they are all EQUAL!!!’ He roars.

The room erupts in applause, Isaiah Cartwright collapses to his knees, shaking uncontrollably, tears streaming down his face. Robert Hrouda cheers emphatically, ’I’m going to make a new dungeon in honor of this day! A dungeon where rangers are needed! A dungeon where pets are required to progress!’

I think faithless lost his faith in the game.

In all seriousness, the new FFARR is shaping up to be a pretty good alternative.

Broadicea.8294:

Stooperdale.3560:

Strangely enough I play a melee ranger in CoE and my drake pets survive quite well on the alphas without me doing a great deal.

Imagine how much more you’d be contributing on a good class.

Don’t ask people to use their imaginations, it’s why they still think rangers are good in dungeons.

Moral of the story- You can play however you want!

…..

……

…….
Oh and you’ll get it done but it will take 3 hours.

Not sure if it’s been said above, but I figured out the part where the aoe rains down on you between trin’s phases can be easily avoided if your team bunches together tightly and runs around the edge in a circular motion. Maintain swiftness as you go and keep together as tightly as you can, use leap skills if you fall behind. I like to go clockwise, but it doesn’t really matter. This is because all of the projectiles from those invincible cannons are target based and not shot at random. This probably would work for other parts with those cannons also, if you don’t like blind spots/stacking.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

swiftpaw.6397:

Syn Sity.5826:

Generic sarcastic response which will have a small amount of constructive value and a great amount of arrogance. No idea why I keep checking this forum, looking for a weekly dose of drama maybe.

Sometimes it’s the small things, like forum drama, that keep me playing this stale game.

I hate your family and Ranger is the best class in Guild Wars 2.

You warm the c0kles of my heart

Syn Sity.5826:

Generic sarcastic response which will have a small amount of constructive value and a great amount of arrogance. No idea why I keep checking this forum, looking for a weekly dose of drama maybe.

Sometimes it’s the small things, like forum drama, that keep me playing this stale game.

Lightning hammer ranger new dungeon meta.

It got here because A-Net stopped caring about dungeon class balance long ago.

HEY that was my joke! (before it got infracted by people who didn’t like the truth )

Guardian, warrior, mesmer, ele.

I’d rather people just be discouraged from camping ranged at this point in time as it’s clear they contribute less dps this way. I get annoyed when I’m on guardian and people aren’t in range of shouts because they are sitting around in the back slacking off, I used to to run back and forth giving them buffs, now though, they miss out, not my problem they if wont melee.

As annoying as it is, for someone like me who provides boons too see people out of range not receiving those boons, there’s two scenarios- Either I’m not standing in the right place, or the person not receiving the boons is not standing in the right place.

Imo, if you want to give people boons for sitting at ranged, then ranged should contribute as much dps as melee and carry the same risk. But it doesn’t and probably never will. It’s a risk/reward thing, same as spvp and wvw. You want buffs, you stand in melee and you do your best. If you’re at ranged, trying to avoid confrontation then you don’t need any supportive buffs and you don’t deserve any offensive buffs.

Nike.2631:

Renewed Focus = tremendously useful.

^ Pretty much

/15 chars

I loved the tormented weps, I had one of everything T_T pls bring these back anet

Brace yourself, this is just the start of the idiotic pugs you are gonna come across.. it only gets worse from here on out.

Webba.3071:

Like this. The pet ai is the elephant in the room of Ranger design.

They should give rangers an elephant pet.

I feel like you misinterpreted what i said, I mean that A-net will ignore the OP because that is their trackrecord regardless of how good someone’s argument is.

They’re not going to respond to you regardless of if it’s aggressive or if you pander to them and give the whole fanboy spiel. Their reason being, they don’t think there is anything wrong with the class and are happy to ignore the majority who say otherwise.

/face
/desk
/face
/desk
/face
/desk

Thanks for another workout OP.

Oh they don’t hate you, they just ignore you.

Sandpit.3467:

swiftpaw.6397:

I guess you could try reroll thief and reskin it onto that

No you can’t, it’s soulbound not account bound

You can, you reskin it onto a low lvl white shortbow, then you can bank it and put on your thief, use a lvl 80 transmute stone then to put on 80 exotic.

I guess you could try reroll thief and reskin it onto that

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ecRS2nyXI4

Here we go. Finished my Ranger guide.

kittening lol. I remember this guy. The bear guy. XD

Ya all gettin riled up for nothin!

Chopps better take note, this is the new ranger dungeon meta that we can now parade triumphantly around the ranger forums. All you idiot scumbag elitist types were wrong, long live ranger.

Yeh that’s really creepy too.

Zenith.7301:

Yeah, can people get back on topic concerning ranger discussion? This is not a thread for evaluating people’s personalities or posting habits.

Here’s something juicy, a new super awesome ranger build

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Mighty-Ranger-High-Level-FOTM-Build-6-27/page/2#post2311600

A Net’s nerf hammer has tunnel vision for spvp. They wont take the common sense route of separating spvp, wvw and pve skills.

Jzl.8715:

swiftpaw.6397:

Jzl.8715:

^They do at least on this forum.

I thought I was a nice person T_T

You represent the lovely side <3

(says you are in CoE btw, are you just auto attacking?)

<3
Like a boss

Jzl.8715:

^They do at least on this forum.

I thought I was a nice person T_T

Hjorje.9453:

@swiftpaw, I could also say the same thing about most other classes, what do they bring that another class can’t. Some classes do things better then others but they all can contribute to a run. Warriors are king when it comes to DPS, but does that mean other classes can’t DPS, no it doesn’t, it does mean a fight will last a little longer because they can’t do as much DPS as fast as a warrior can.

Yes, a warrior brings dps but can’t do things other classes can. However, a ranger cant bring anything that another class cant do better. You are contributing but not as much as you could on any other class speed run or not.

Chopps.5047:

ProxyDamage.9826:

Chokolata.1870:

ranger DPS will never be the meta because every other class does it much better with half the effort .

This.

You can do dungeons, and if you’re going to you might as well go berserker, but you won’t be good at it. We have inherently crippled damage because… We have a class mechanic I guess… Especially after the pet damage nerf and the loss of cheap quickness access through pet swapping (which at least partially mitigated the horrid damage difference versus other classes), it’s simply a “why bother” issue.

I have one of everything. If I wanna do a dungeon I’ll just take out anything else for double the performance at half the effort.

My drake has perma 25 might stacks in this build. No idea what “pet nerf” you speak of. My drake is a cold blooded killer. This was simply impossible to attain before. Piercing arrows + high crit chance + companion’s might = 25 might stacks on drake…

Why does this not make you guys happy? I’m so sad right now.

I’ll tell you what. How about I stream a FOTM run using this build? That’s so much easier than filming.

Why do I not see this build in the dungeon thread? Go and show those scumbag elitists how wrong they are about ranger already Chopps. That thread you left yesterday is still going, I’m sure they’d all like to see it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Ranger-nerfed-in-PvE-for-PvP-purposes/first

Hjorje.9453:

I love doing dungeon runs on my ranger. I play SB – S/D, with high crit and condition damage. I feel I bring something to the group. I may not be pumping out the DPS like my warrior does but setup I have for my Ranger is fun for me. I also micro manage my pet so it doesn’t die to quick.

I also play with my guild and we are a good group of players, not great but good. We understand the classes we play and we understand the different mechanics of the different dungeon paths so we can bring almost any class and still have a successful run. It may be a little longer then some but it is fun doing it.

When I picked the ranger as another class to play I looked at for the point of view, is it fun for me, what do I bring to the group, and can I stay alive. I never once really looked at the hiding behind the range aspect. I really love the sword/dagger setup, as it allows me to stack poison and other conditions. But I do run my ele and war a lot in dungeons also, really depends on which dungeon, what are the other classes in the group and how much time I have to do the dungeons.

While it’s great you are having fun, that is not ‘bringing something to the group.’ You say you feel you bring something to the group, but feelings aren’t the same as facts. It would be better to explain just what it is you are doing that brings something another class cant do better. I too enjoy my ranger, but came to the sad realization that it’s not providing as much as me playing another class in any area other than aoe cc’s and a healing field which aren’t really needed.