Guild Wars 2

Here is my PSA. Do NOT care about what other people are doing with their parties and instead make your own.

By shoving away these players, the person reserves their right to dictate who is in their party. Not everyone is interested in taking the extra time every run to help others. Call it heartless but some people just don’t have the time to spend every dungeon run. If you really want to help noobs, just make your own party, you’ll have 0 luck telling other what to do with theirs.

I’m baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.

Ok so. Play how you want.

It’s really just a humorous term to sum up these examples below. I believe it originated from multiple threads long ago (and even now, I believe there’s a few in the guardian forums) where many people simply abandoned logical and rational conversation when arguing the efficiency of their build posts and ended with, ‘welp, I play how I want.’ or ’that’s just your opinion’. It was just that sort of lazy argument people used to get themselves out of thinking.

The common applications for this phrase:

Example 1.) The Ode to Obal.

I have a ranger, and I want to play a ranged class, I want to use bows and bears because that’s what makes me happy. I want to use cleric’s ascended weapons because I like the color of the skins. Oh, you don’t like that in your dungeon, where 4 other people have to deal with my choices? Well that’s just too bad, I play how I want. Stop oppressing me.

Example 2.) The deluded.

I play full tank guardian, all pvt gear, AH mace/shield and staff. I heal my team and tank for them. If you don’t understand that then you are just being elitist. Dead dps is no dps. I’m the last one alive in every fight. While you’re all dieing, I’m ressing you up off the floor. Failure to connect the dots is pretty clear on this one. The blame is shifted to everyone else.

Example 3.) The mistaken noobie

(Note: not a particularly bad attitude, just new. We were all there at one point.)

Generally we can mistakenly refer to noobs as running ‘play how you want builds’ when they don’t know what to run and so run poor builds. That is where the association can come in and often times it’s hard to tell if someone is just new, or if they are in one of the above categorie due to thier poor build. Often times they are just lost as to what to run because there is alot of conflicting ‘opinions’ out there. Once it’s determined the player is just a noob and willing to learn and change his ways, he’s not in the play how you want category unless he decides to delude himself or not care.

Anyways, that’s generally what I and a few others mean when we mention that phrase. It can be interpreted many ways, but that’s the gist of it from me. It’s hard to sum up all these different things in one phrase and it can certainly be taken the wrong way.

I really like the slippery slope argument he puts in at the end, it’s a nice touch. What’s next?!?! Cats and dogs living together!?!?

Grab ye tin foil hats folks, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

Anierna.6918:

That’ll be easier then, having them swap a trait rather than respec. ty spoj.

W-What.. What is this? A rational and logical response? I don’t even.. This never happens here. This isn’t the dungeon forums I know and cherish!

I don’t know you people anymore, I DON’T EVEN KNOW MYSELF.

I’m going to run off to the guardian forums where they are discussing the advantages of cleric’s builds in dungeons, it’s still safe there.

..wait nvm there’s still some crazy left in this baby.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Arah-P4-5/first#post3366790

spoj.9672:

30/25/0/0/15 is still better on war. You just swap forceful gs to deep strikes.

You beat me to this response by like 0.05 seconds.

Curses unto spoj, curses! >:(

I made 120g today selling paths, customers are so grateful and generous

Soon I will be making my fifth legendary, bless those buyer’s souls, bless them.

And until then (which will likely never happen) I guess you’ll just have to persevere and keep wasting your time.

Lesson here: You can sit there and fantasize about what A-Net will do all you want, but it will not create a reality. Your idea of what ‘makes a good game’ are simply your opinions, which have no basis on anything outside your own bubble of thought.

P.S. Your moral compass or how good you think you are towards pugs is completely irrelevant. Your self righteous indignation on these forums towards individuals who do not affect you in the slightest is enough of an indicator for the kind of attitude you maintain. I’d also like to point out that name calling towards us is rather low and immature, please try to keep these forums civil.

Dat feel when you see a red post on dungeon forums… Then it turns out to be from a year ago :/

Ravenmoon.5318:

swiftpaw.6397:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

They have not enforced it on anyone that has played Guild Wars 2.

That’s what Ravenmoon is here for.
Someone get this guy employment at Arena Net.

That would be a sad day for all of you

The great thing about all of this is that you do not indeed work for Arena Net, and so therefore your forum rampage is just a waste of time.

We had a thief in fractals once, he was our only pug. I had him ping his gear, it checked out.. Full zerk+ scholar. We get in, dps is slow.. I’m not really watching him. I just assumed he was fine because he was a ‘top’ pvper. I wonder if anyone can guess who he is, he has a very prominent name in pvp. Anyway. We get to the harpy fractal. I finally notice. He is sitting on shortbow the entire time, autoattacking in the back while we all melee. I ask him to please go into melee for Old Tom. What does he do? stands in melee range auto attacking with his shortbow. At this point we were all like wtf.. we asked him to put a melee weapon on. This was when he lost his kitten at us.

‘You guys are just trash pve players, you don’t know kitten. Shortbow damage is high enough, in fact it’s really high’
‘You can’t tell me melee is better, I bet you guys would all lose to me 1v1’
’I’m a thief, if I melee I die, and dead dps is no dps.’
‘None of you people have been in a tourny in your lives, you guys know nothing.’

I was surprised, mostly because it was this most cliche kitten I had ever read. He was serious however and continued on this verbal vitriol for another 10 mins while we just sat there and laughed. Then I’m not sure if we kicked him or he left but it was pretty funny.

icewyrm.5038:

swiftpaw.6397:

Knowledge of boss mechanics, dodging and utility/weapon usage.

healing gear, eg. Cleric’s

You are implying these two things are mutually exclusive. This is not the case.

Nope. But you don’t need one if you have the other. I’m sure there are people who are aware of mechanics and what skills to use and yet completely ignorant of the time they waste running a cleric’s set.

Maladon.5760:

I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s ego, I’m just reading the thread like everyone else. If there’s no consideration that needs to be taken defensively for pve then you simply can’t claim it takes very much skill to participate. This thread is actual proof of that concept.

There is consideration for this however, it’s not where you think it is. Dungeons are different to pvp/wvw because relying on tanky gear will drag things out and likely get you killed. You need to rely on something else now. Knowledge of boss mechanics, dodging and utility/weapon usage.

This thread involves people who think that tanky or healing gear, eg. Cleric’s is a good idea in this situation. They may want to outheal damage instead of relying upon their and their team mate’s skill to mitigate damage all together through situational awareness.

The whole argument here is that you you are better off canning this notion, going full glass and becoming a better player. If you believe that ‘speccing for max damage and blowing kitten up’ is all that is involved, then I invite you to try that on Giganticus Lupicus or high level fractal Dredge power suit/ice ele.

If you run full zerk and the correct build I will add you to my list for when I have a man down. We tour every dungeon each night.

I am sad.

Nick.6972:

What’s the maximum damage you can shell out with Berserker Guardian with a pug team using GS 3?

I don’t.. I don’t understand why it’s come to this.

Ok, I assume you mean Whirling Wrath. One single skill does not equal entire dps for the class. A warrior that sits on greatsword and only uses Hundred blades and gs auto attacks is poor.

Also, just because you can do more dps on a warrior doesn’t excuse you from doing no dps on guardian. You can maintain some excellent dps on guardian while still providing support in full zerker gear, along with vulnerability and blinds. I suggest you look into the one handed sword.

Here is the build thread, much of the damage scales from traits which you may have missed. If you were only using greatsword for dps on a guardian you very well may have been doing some poor dps.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

People who play how they want have 3 options.

1.) Play with similar people who don’t care if their time is wasted.
2.) Deal with people who hate them for wasting their time
3.) Deal with people who hate them for wasting their time.

They will never recover fully. T_T

Why would you run cleric’s in AC?

Clearly all the answers lie in this thread, filled with wisdom.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/The-truth-about-clerics-gear-in-pve/first#post3358625

You know that comedic thing cartoon characters do when they peel their eyelids down their face in frustration at how ridiculous something is?

I just did it… And now I need to see a doctor.

obal.3218:

swiftpaw.6397:

Nick.6972:

If I want DPS I play Warrior.
If I want Support/Heals I play Guard.

And my heals HAVE saved my party members n high lvl fractals.
Good luck playing full glass cannon guard on 40+.

I play full zerker at 49. Only change you need to make is take a hammer.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Viability-Of-Cleric-Gear/first

Ah this explains so much Obal -_-
Knew I’d seen this person before somewhere lol.

Nick.6972:

If I want DPS I play Warrior.
If I want Support/Heals I play Guard.

And my heals HAVE saved my party members n high lvl fractals.
Good luck playing full glass cannon guard on 40+.

I play full zerker at 49. Only change you need to make is take a hammer.

Dempsey.8760:

swiftpaw.6397:

Ravenmoon.5318:

swiftpaw.6397:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Perfect. That’s what you get for selling paths

I can still sell them

Now they are worth more!
+1 good change to this path

blah blah. unless you cheat you can’t pass all the bosses. And that should be bannable

I do them all legit including lupi, but nice try.

Do you… , Do you wear PTV? I mean that has got to be the only way to do ALL of that. Ravenmoon uses zerker I bet, that’s why he can’t solo the same bosses.

I wish more bosses in this game could be melee’d now they’ve taken away another boss that could be. How very sad I am this day.

PVT is the new meta. It always was really, just so many people were deluded by wearing zerker for the longest time. Those poor souls, they will now surely be converted to the cause. PVT and clerics, the gear sets of the future.

I feel like a new term would be applicable on these forums..

Exploitaphobe.- A strong phobia of people who sell dungeon paths regardless of whether they actually exploit or not. The individual will assume exploiting is the case in all eventualities. May or may not result in the following symptoms:

• Multiple personalities – One day you are a regular player, the next you are the sheriff of the moral brigade, an elite group of forum police who will not stand for anything that goes against their feelings.

• Assumption that when one sells a path, he must have exploited his way to victory due to lack of comprehension on how to play the game.

• Strong and fearful urge to tell people how to play the game in his absence, when there is no way rational or irrational that he or any unwilling partakers can be affected negatively by their actions. When they react in defiance, the affected individual will begin to use the Caps Lock key.

• The individual may take time out of his day to convert someone to his cause. This may include indoctrinating a fellow guild-mate into sharing the same irrational fear and hatred that he so possesses. Once this is completed, the two of them will jump into seller parties and kick the lot of them out of the dungeon. At the end of the day the two individuals will hold hands and stroke each other’s shoulders fondly while they reminisce over the warm memory of ruining someone’s day for the good of mankind.

Maladon.5760:

Who cares? It’s just a dungeon run. You can go naked if you want.

I dunno, maybe the other 4 people in your group that have to deal with you might care

Ravenmoon.5318:

swiftpaw.6397:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Perfect. That’s what you get for selling paths

I can still sell them

Now they are worth more!
+1 good change to this path

blah blah. unless you cheat you can’t pass all the bosses. And that should be bannable

I do them all legit including lupi, but nice try.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Perfect. That’s what you get for selling paths

I can still sell them

Now they are worth more!
+1 good change to this path

stemare.2578:

swiftpaw.6397:

These threads make me angry.

Your useless posts in this thread make me angry.
If you are not able to say anything constructive, just ignore the topic and don’t post at all!

No thanks. I’m just joking. I really like the part about scepter on lupi.

I sell how I want.

These threads make me angry.

:)

Wasn’t expecting much for shattered aegis, however quite happy with the now 10% dmg on powerful blades.

stemare.2578:

against Lupi I see scepter/focus to be much better. Isnt’ it a bit too risky to go melee with sword? Then again, immobilize is also useful to let your party kite boss and refill their endurance.

I’m not sure this is worth the lengthy explanation.

Me too, I’m so tired of people gearchecking. It’s just mean.

Oh hmm,yes very true. Well one good reason would be that it’s embarrassing that it’s been left like this for so long. Best to pretend it never happened.

There are still plenty of avenues for a new person to do dungeons while learning as well. One such option is to place an LFG and say that you are new but willing to learn. People will still group you. While some people prefer not to play the content, this is their loss.. It does not need to affect you, all you need do is create your own party.

Less people want to do dungeons because dungeons have been left to rot. We have already done them, hundreds of times. Actually I’m at over a thousand runs according to my tracker. In fact selling is one of the only reasons left for some of us to go back into these dungeons. It’s an added challenge with an added reward that we have set ourselves seeing as Arena Net has not.

Now that I see that you actually think dungeons are around for the purposes of roleplaying, I’d discard this thread as troll bait but your post history is.. Well it’s kinda legit. :/

Here’s a hint, if you want roleplaying, there’s a server called Tarnished Coast, a city called Divinity’s reach, and within that city is a bar. They named the NPC there ‘chuck’ and they talk to him like he’s a real person. Upstairs are some rooms, with beds in them. Things.. happen there. This is what roleplaying is, and this is where it belongs… Thankfully.

Yamagawa.5941:

Hum. Errant Venture lied grossly about temple statuses.
Posidenii has quoted me out of context and drawn false conclusions (read: lies).
Diabolus is clearly as much a troll as the other two. He’s just better at it.

It is not ‘supporting Anet’ to point out lies or answer questions.
Good day to you sirs.
//Portable Corpse

How convenient that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a ‘troll’.

OP probably isn’t even playing the game anymore lol

Yamagawa.5941:

swiftpaw.6397:

No response from A-Net.

Hum, topic started Saturday.
It is now Sunday.
I don’t expect replies on either of those days…. something about the bulk of the staff at most companies having normal work hours, incidentally not including 100% of the hours presently passed since the original message was posted.

While your statement makes for good drama, its not productive.

Hum, since when was aggressively defending Arena Net in every post productive?

The actual temple issue has been around for a good amount of time regardless of how old this particular thread is.

Also, there is a function for putting in a forum signature without having to manually type it every time you post.

Yamagawa.5941:

//Portable Corpse

Zenith.7301:

The reason this game can’t stand up to the PvE standard that is WoW is because in trying to abolish roles they just watered it all down and only made the damaging role stand out. Healing and tank roles are obsolete.

Personally I think it’s because they left the dungeons to rot and persist only in adding watered down / poor quality open world content every couple weeks. Oh, that and then going back over places like TA F/U and making them worse than before by adding in ‘living world’ content.

Geez, we do dungeons to get away from that kitten, thanks Arena Net -_-

Oh and while I’m at it- Dearest Arena net… Stop with NPC reliance, forced agony, forced cutscenes, time gating and kittening puzzles.

Heaven forbid he uses… reflects.

The biggest exploit of them all.

No response from A-Net.

Ah glad to see it’s going to take me even longer to get ore for the upcoming ascended gear.

Anyone know servers the events are not bugged on?

You are missing out on some instant condition removal in traits meaning your only removal will be reliant on purging flames (take into account cast time/cd) and whirl finishers in light fields (unreliable), plus you aren’t using anything that whirls, eg GS so you then have to rely on your pugs.. and well, faith in that area of humanity is all but gone.

Larger symbols is a mixed bag, one half of me says pugs are kitten and will not melee or stack, meaning larger may be required. Likely at this point though they are sitting at range and no matter how big your symbol is it wont hit them. The other half says if you group with anyone decent who is melee range with you, you really should not require this trait anyway. Mobs should easily fit within regular symbol size, along with your allies. Especially given that the regular symbol size has already been upgraded to a larger size in a patch not too long ago. I would also strongly recommend you take the 15 radiance for blind and vauln spam.

Mesket.5728:

good = melee is something inked in your brain by ANet…

They are still using pistol thieves in demonstration videos…

However, maybe it’s all just a ploy and they are subliminally infecting us with ‘melee is good’ messages flashing in the twitch stream at really quick intervals.

Looks like he was ‘laid off’.

‘Hey everyone. Today marks a sad day for me. I’ve been laid off from ArenaNet, and currently unemployed.’ – Robert Hrouda

He was the last person that cared for making real dungeons and as such his presence was not desired.

‘Today marks the release of the last bit of content I built for ArenaNet. I had always hoped my last hurrah would be an epic dungeon that would stand the test of time, and provide entertainment for players to the very end… but instead it’s an instance that will only persist for two weeks, and then go away.’ – Robert Hrouda

As you can see there was a very clear difference in visions here. Hrouda wanted to make new epic/long term dungeons, but Arena-Net and/or possibly those at NCSoft were not interested because living story is more profitable from their point of view. Driving casual players back into the game to drop cash on their gemstore is the new priority.

No one will replace Hrouda because nobody is getting hired regardless. They have wiped their hands of a dungeon team entirely.

Come on now guys, what did we really expect?

We who do dungeons are not the part of the community on the priority list. There has not been meaningful feedback on the dungeon forums in a long time. Which dev would even be able to leave feedback as there is no dungeon team.

It has been turned into and replaced by a ‘living story’ team. This is their real priority here. Keeping the people who play the game maybe once every week or so, returning to drop some money on the cash shop. Real world money, not gold they received doing dungeons. This is the nature of a business, they need to make money.

We got thrown a fractal update but it’s a trojan horse. We were fooled. At the end of the day, this ‘dungeon’ which many will say really isn’t a dungeon, will be placed on the shelf much like the new Twilight Arbor Forward/Up path. Not rewarding enough for the input of time.

Ah. Giveth with one hand while they taketh with the other.

OR! Or I could just afk all the events and make you do the work for me.

Sounds good to me. Already at 4 ore stacks from leeching. This is what it must feel like for those open world event farmers when they stray into a dungeon. It feels glorious.

>>———When sarcasm flies by —-——————→

Whoosh.

Would like an invite here, Got alotta dragonite to farm -.-

If you have been playing since game release and doing dungeons often, dungeon tokens lost their original use a good while back. I geared up all my alts ages ago. Their real use these days is for salvaging ectos and inscriptions.

Do I like this system? Not really. :/