nope………………
Works fine for me…
nope
well to be fair,
(262 – 225) / 262 = 0.14122137404
you lost “14.12%” damage if calculated against your original 262% damageit is still 4.12% more than 10% though.
he would have gained that damage back through the extra sigil slots and rune buffs easily.
how does this change anything? you still use a stacking weapon, you just need to buy another stacking sigil for your underwater weapon.
it can, similarly with geomancy, but it does alot less damage.
What We Are Not Looking For
- Players that value PPT
As I see it, it is a shame to see a guild that wants to go into world servers and take limited slots, while having no concern for the object of WvW or the servers PPT. Pity to see a guild that will degrade the game for others in that manner.
What We Are Not Looking For
- Players not willing to change Builds and gear.
Such a shame to see guilds that force players to build as the guild demands and turns players away for playing their way.
What We Are Not Looking For
- New Players to the Game.
Such a shame to see guilds that shun new players.
there are plenty of guilds that encourage and support these things, so what’s the big deal? does every guild have to have the same standards?
go full glass, trait for short temper and just axe autoattack
introducing dr is straight up dumbing down the game. what anet SHOULD do is give classes like mesmers and rangers more condi clearing abilities and necros and thief/engies more stability sources.
this gives you options for counter play against cc, but doesn’t reward bad players for not dodging cc by just eating one early.
can guarantee that everyone against DR is relying highly on stacking Cc, someone said that Dr leads to less skilled play, what skill is there killing someone who cant do nothing back, because u constantly have them Cc’d? chillingcripple a melee classes while u run nukeing from distance, or immonilized till death with nothing can do. So PRO play there
Bringing Dr into game would make you ohh so skillfull Cc’ers need some skill to play, but guess your against Dr just for that reason
I play guardian, 2 condi’s removed every 10 seconds, 1 removed with shout, another turned into boon, stun breaker and Cc’s just kittened when up against some classes
Yes there is stability, 30 sec Cd or something like that, other Cd’s are longer, when the Cc’s have much shorter Cd, bring the Cd’s of all condi removals, stun breaks down to same as the Cc’s would just be Op, just like Cc’s are Op now
the skill comes from the ability to mitigate and evade the chain cc. it separates skilled players from rallybait.
Bilbo, need I remind you that it only takes 3 players to CC somebody to death, and not everybody has a large amount of stun breakers or condi removal? Also I heard they’re nerfing condi duration reduction food/armor stats.
You’re saying that you shouldn’t lose a 3v1?
He’s saying it shouldn’t be automatic with no ways to counter it.
3 hammer warriors v 1 isn’t really 3v1 anymore, anyways. More like PVE.
you can counter it, use stability and run away. you’re not going to win a 1v3 against any class regardless if they have chain stun or immobs or not, assuming all are at the same skill level..
You have to remember, some classes only get a stability through an elite skill that has at least a 2 minute cooldown (thief and ranger). Stability would be a good excuse if everybody had equal access to it, or if condi-removal skills also gave 5 second stability. But the thing is they don’t, it’s very easy to get CC’d to death.
Anything that might ever be in a position where chained cc’s might be a frequent problem is supposed to be in a party with 2 guards. Everyone in that party has “equal access” to 66% stability uptime.
So you expect somebody roaming solo who encounters 2 warriors to be a part of this system? Let me guess…you’ve never roamed solo, have you?
im sorry but no good thief will die to only 2 hammer warriors. that is the biggest joke. sure you might not be able to kill their, but you certainly wouldnt die to them. are you really expecting to be able to kill them though? i mean it’s a 1v2.
The thing that makes this annoying and very abused by some classes is the fact that immobilized and fear count as conditions and not a “stun or control effect” so you can’t break out of it.
Personally i facepalm’d at the very first time i seen this and often think “how on earth you design this like this..”
So abilities that are “stun breaks” don’t really help you and you need condition removal.In my ideal world control effects don’t need to be in 2 groups like their are now.
This make the need for 2 versions of countering it in form of a abilities / utility skills.
So won’t be like some classes have best controlling effects and the best counters.
this “variety” so far seemed very lacking and abused mostly in spvp / and some in wvw.
fear is counted as a controlling effect, you CAN stun break and stability out of fears. you can also remove fear through condi removal.
Bilbo, need I remind you that it only takes 3 players to CC somebody to death, and not everybody has a large amount of stun breakers or condi removal? Also I heard they’re nerfing condi duration reduction food/armor stats.
You’re saying that you shouldn’t lose a 3v1?
He’s saying it shouldn’t be automatic with no ways to counter it.
3 hammer warriors v 1 isn’t really 3v1 anymore, anyways. More like PVE.
you can counter it, use stability and run away. you’re not going to win a 1v3 against any class regardless if they have chain stun or immobs or not, assuming all are at the same skill level.
this whole thread is stupid. OP is falsely assigning blame to why he’s getting kitten on. you’re getting chain cc’ed not because chaining cc’s is inherently broken, but because either:
a. you are fighting out numbered
b. your group has a kitten comp that lacks stability and condi clears
c. you are a kitten player that can’t dodge hammer trains
in all cases, you have the power to affect change, don’t blame the system when it already gives you the tools you need.
it means moving the weapon to your inventory will remove your stacks.
this is my experience fighting t1 blobs, 20vs60, maybe win 50% of the time
turn on tag, get 20 pugs, fight 40vs60, 1-push later, receive 60 bags.
just blob it out
It’s the same pool where you take ranks, following the example of rank 50 and rank 100 between 2 char, you can spend 150 in one but will have 0 on the other
uhh no, that’s an incredibly stupid assumption.
in that example, you would have rank 150 on both chars.
the amount of terrible zerg warrior shout builds in this thread is immense. its no wonder theres so many terrible zerg hammer train guilds
Terrible zerg warrior shout builds? Go ask some of the top GvG guilds what their warrior build composition is. Most of them run a good portion of tanky shout warriors with a few higher DPS builds. The Hammer train meta is soldier runes healing shouts. It didn’t become meta because it was terrible.
i wasnt talking about shout heal builds in general, i was talking about the builds linked in this thread. did you even look at them?
the amount of terrible zerg warrior shout builds in this thread is immense. its no wonder theres so many terrible zerg hammer train guilds
take shout heal and shout cd trait, equip shouts
???
thats it
this guy is talking about pve. gs and axe mainhand simply out performs hammer in terms of dps, its as simple as that.
the number of whirl bolts depends on the number of times the whirl damages. gs3 does 4 ticks
would never run this in a tpvp setting, it’s for fun, dueling, and stomping hj
i’ve been running a more direct damage variant of this build for a couple months now , and its funny, all people do is call you bad right after you completely destroy them, its really funny.
Be sure to bring a ton of warriors with warbanrz!
pure hammer trains are extremely easy to counter and slowly dismantle if a group knows what they’re doing, that said, the examples in your video are kitten tier wannabe hammer trains getting destroyed, the outcome would have been the same no matter what they were running.
0/10/30/30/0 is better so you can take 50% bleed duration. 30 in defense gives you the option to take stability, or retal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26136774
they arent targetting anet directly, anet can’t do anything about it.
ITS LEVEL3 GETTING DDOSED. IF YOU"RE ROUTED THROGH LEVEL3, YOU"RE kittenED
this thread is getting good.
I love the design of These weapons, although I don’t really have a character to use them with. Been thinking about the pistols anyway. I always wanted pistols that looked more real or Colt like.
But sadly Anet tries to sell RNG boxes again… I mean… seriousely… Keys were a few percents off… until the day before patch day. Usually we got a patch preview, this time we didn’T get one. So anyone who might have gotten some keys now has to pay the full Price. Leaves a bitter taste imho… Plus, hey ANet, V-Day is coming, couldn’t you at least ONCE let us pick the weapon of our choice directly from the Gemstore? Even at 500Gems each? Would have made a better gift anyway.
I don’t really feel like spending incredible amounts of Gold or real Money on These chests. THere’s too much stuff in there that doesn’t even feel useful, nor worth the Money/Gold. Plus I’m tired of paying other People for their luck, really.
Whenever there’s a chest with Special loot (weapon boxes, minipets, Skins and so on) I have to buy them from TP because even with 133 percent MF accountwide my luck seems to be the worst ever on such things, so my Gold sink is high enough. x_X
I really gets annoying. Not to mention the fact that 5 tickets per weapon at a later times is… well no coment… you could make up the costs for yourselves…
I don’t really have a Problem with the cash shop, as you can also use ingame Gold to buy stuff you want on there, but I’m not willing to go with this RNG stuff anymore.
then dont buy rng items. you can buy them from tp with gold directly. i dont see the problem.
last time i checked, you can still forge pvt invaders weapons (not armor). just not any other stat combination. if you bought other stat combinations, you can submit a support ticket, and they will convert them to pvt for you to forge.
duk i rly lik yor screen shak, ware can i c more
A decent mesmer should be able to beat any other class. They are the best 1v1 class.
Lol no they’re not. They’re not for the same reasons why thief isn’t.
There isn’t a question that mesmers are the best 1v1 class. Not sure why you haven’t noticed that yet.
i beat every mesmer , including pu, condi, phantasm builds. rly easy
i have no opinions of any kind pls forgiv
looks like op lost interest in the thread after posting about newbie pve downing 30+ pvp duelists.
ya man, supposed duelists losing repeatedly to a supposed scrubby terrible build. fighting wurm grubs is a bigger challenge for sure.
As I said the main focus should be that there is a certain build for every class that can beat anouther build if you have the skills
this is already the case.
I’ve never really played spvp at all, but I was really close to next achievement chest, so I wanted to get the spvp daily done. I noticed there was some dueling servers, i say hey, why not.
I joined as warrior, dueled for a good 4 hours, had a good time, fought 30+ different players, beat or drawn every single one except for one person. and over half the people i beat started calling me bad and that i was using a bad build, after i had won. if my build is so terrible, then how did i win? i don’t understand. i mean i never once claimed i was good, or bragged about winning, and yet ..
i was using axe/shield + LB, with shout heals. is this some sort of taboo forbidden build to use in spvp? i mean i was able to easily beat condi necros, , spirit rangers, mm necros, condi warriors, phantasm, pu/condi mesmers, every single thief and guardian, i mean you name it. are they just mad that their fotm builds lost? i don’t understand.
why do people get so mad after they lose duels? i’m glad atleast one person was able to consistently destroy me.
is this usually how duels go in spvp? just trash talk after losing? if that’s the case i guess i better think again before goign back l0l
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pu condi mesmers have kitten damage. go axe/warhorn lb
trait warhorn, shouts, cleansing ire and dogged march. soldier runes and 3 shouts. cleav though clones and just axe aa them to death. your health wont drop under 80%.
every condi gets insta cleansed and you get prot through vuln. warriors are the ultimate counters to kittenty condi/perplexity builds.
Why what’s wrong with Burr’s message? It makes perfect sense to me. People think warrior is over-powered because of healing signet? lmao. I’ve actually switched over to playing my mesmer now in WvW because warrior vs conditions is just a joke. I run a build with healing shouts and soldier runes and also warhorn condition removal trait, necros and mesmers just melt me in seconds. It’s pointless and I don’t want to have to go everywhere with Berserker Stance.
While playing with my mesmer I’ve realised exactly how pointless it was just trying to be a good warrior, there’s no hope.
if you’re dying with that setup, then either you dont know how to play it, oryou’re just bad. i’ve that build hard counters every single condi class, especially condi pu or clone death mesmers. the only hard condi class ive fought are terrormancers, and its not the condis that kill you, its the fears.
Wads, you could be right. I admit I’m not the best at PvP in this type of game, but I’ve had a warrior since launch of game and played him quite vigorously. On the contrary I’ve played with my mesmer for around four nights now with just some random build I found on the forums. I am absolutely laughing at warriors. Seriously, I’m still experimenting with weapon setups and skills etc and I’m just melting warriors. I’m not exaggerating this, there was one condi warrior who came close to beating me last night and it’s because I was using a staff instead of my normal setup.
Every other warrior I’ve fought so far just dies or runs away. So what I’m saying is, yeah I might be a bad player, but find me a warrior of same skill level and he’ll be down in seconds or run away.
nothing personal, but anet doesn’t balance this game depending on how 2 bad players play.
i’m telling you a very skilled mesmer using a pu/clone death condi build will lose to a equally skilled and properly built warrior.
Why what’s wrong with Burr’s message? It makes perfect sense to me. People think warrior is over-powered because of healing signet? lmao. I’ve actually switched over to playing my mesmer now in WvW because warrior vs conditions is just a joke. I run a build with healing shouts and soldier runes and also warhorn condition removal trait, necros and mesmers just melt me in seconds. It’s pointless and I don’t want to have to go everywhere with Berserker Stance.
While playing with my mesmer I’ve realised exactly how pointless it was just trying to be a good warrior, there’s no hope.
if you’re dying with that setup, then either you dont know how to play it, oryou’re just bad. i’ve that build hard counters every single condi class, especially condi pu or clone death mesmers. the only hard condi class ive fought are terrormancers, and its not the condis that kill you, its the fears.
when there are overlapping fields, the oldest field gets the priority.
guyz im reporting this thread, it’s a wvw matchup discussion thread now, it so illegal here in this wvw discussion forums, not allow
pls no discussion about wvw matchups on these forums now, its illegal u know
im reporting u
since this is the only place to post information about wvw now, how does the latest matchup guyz?
i think anet did a rly smert thing here, now everyone can consolidate all the matchups threads here
bump, still bugged
alot of people in this thread don’t know the difference between concurrent users and active accounts.
2 wars, 2 guards, +1 of anything else, Though good players can play anything a still be successful vs larger group of bads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je7ktc2MHqs end thread.
These guys are running with way more than five.
Yea Know that but I was just using it as an example of war+guard comp versing absolutely ridiculous numbers. Instead of 5v10+ there are like 10-15v30+. 2 war+2guard +1 of anything (prob necro) = win.
Melee focus training isn’t nearly as effective 5v5 as it is for 10v10 or more. I’m strictly talking about the standard PVT warriors and guardians you see from larger groups though. They don’t do as well in 5v5s since their damage is pretty weak.
And, I notice that the warrior in the movie is DPS double axes but I’m sure the main core of their warriors and guardians (which are allowing them to fight those numbers) are PVT.
That playstyle just doesn’t translate over well to smaller scale fights. I’m just speaking from my own personal experiences though, I’m sure there are exceptions.
no decent guild or player runs what you think ‘pvt’ is.
you are correct in that it’s only possible for that particular warrior to run a high dps build only because he has the team support of the other warriors and guardians, but incorrect in assuming they are running any or all pvt.
a shout war has the highest rate of aoe condi cleanse in the game, not to mention insane group healing.
couple that with a properly built support guard, and you’re good to go. put in anything else you want, and its a perfect team.
i’d personally take an dd ele, zerker warrior, and a condi necro.
pug zergs are NEVER doing the work, atleast not on mag
You can eat PU mesmers by running enough condition cleansing. For that purpose, I run an off-hand Warhorn and 3 shouts supported by Rune of the Soldier. This gives me a ridiculous amount of condition cleansing that completely counters most, if not all, condition builds.
this is the only sensible piece of advice you should take in this thread. axe/horn lb destroys most pu+condi mesmers. you just have to make sure to dodge key phantasms and kill them as soon as they spawn.
yes but it lets you just swap weapons and burst right away.
You should get hit regardless of whether it removes the condition, as you are using an ability which triggers the confusion. So even if it prioritized confusion first, you would still take damage from it.
condi removing skills do the removing first, then the skill. for instance, if you use shake it off with just confusion on you, you dont take any confusion damage.
Interesting that it works that way, but it shouldn’t. Does Cleansing Ire do the same thing? For example you are blinded and use Eviscerate.
no, because your adrenaline is used up (and thus cleansed) after you do the damage. this is done because it synergies with traits that give you buffs with full adrenaline, so you keep those buffs for the burst skill.
this also lets you keep your adrenaline if you dont actually hit your target.