Guild Wars 2

sendaf.8375:

kdaddy.5431:

no reason to stay other then its fun, complex and competitive.

I think you answered your own problem. The point of a video game is the joy you get while playing it. If you really need some obscure achievment to work towards then maybe take a break and wait for new content. GW will still be here when you get the itch.

Not having a goal gets boring rather quickly.

Teutos.8620:

And every one of those 9 posts complains about a different problem and suggest a different solution, that is not compatible with the other 8.

F.e. Do the door breakers die too easy, not easy enough, are they just fine? The community is too divided. Maybe we just haven’t spent enough time with Stronghold yet.

So we should just sit back and relax, not giving any feedback and making Anet think that everything is fine? It’s a beta, it’s there so people can give feedback, and the overwhelming majority says that it’s too PvE oriented.

RedSpectrum.1975:

Haven’t done dp in awhile and wanted to get back into it, I was wondering what the meta DP builds are for sPvP

Could have just google’d it tbh.

Terrahero.9358:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Funny how people cry from perma stealth in forums yet I am yet to see a perma stealth thief.

Because you play Conquest mode.

The thing with Conquest mode is that it inherently punished stealth’by not counting you towards the capture point. Building for a lot of stealth is cute and all, but you will constantly lose points.

In WvW stealth builds have been a plague since launch. And now that Stronghold is comming up and there is no longer a mechanic punishing stealth anymore, expect to see a lot of these Thieves pop up in spvp as well.

So i agree with RlyOsim. It’s been a cheesy playstyle that has been largely ignored and left to troll around simply because it didn’t bother spvp. But soon enough it will and hopefully this will finally attract the attention it deserves from the devs.

It’s strong for defense lane but the situation will never be as bad as in WvW because of the lack of dire stats and the longer revealed debuff.

I definitely think this gamemode has potential, but I feel Stronghold doesn’t really promote doing PvP. I know that it’s probably too early in the 2nd beta and people still need to figure things out, but some issues are already clear.

Currently the best tactic is to avoid any PvP interaction and fous on NPCs 24/7, by spawning, escorting and hunting skritt down. It’s basically Silverwastes with worse rewards.

I believe the issue is that the doordbreakers/archers are spammable not to mention running supply is a boring, monotonous role. I understand that the supply depot is supposedly where duels/teamfights happen, but with stability, blocks and blinds channels will go through thus PvP can be avoided most of the time.

Suggestions:

1. Supply could be replaced with 1 or 2 capture ponts (I understand that Anet tried to avoid adding Conquest elements to the new gamemode, but it could help a bit). Either make the entire middle a large capture point, or make 2 smaller ones next to each other and while a team holds the point, NPCs spawn periodically.
   1. 2 capture points: 1 for spawning archers and 1 for doorbreakers
   2. 1 cap point: would spawn doorbreakers as long as enemy gates are up and archers after the gates are down.
   3. Maybe a 3rd option could be a mix of these – 2 cap points, both spawning doorbreakers as long as the gates are up and archers once the gate’s down.
2. Other solution would be to make mobs spawn periodically without any need for supply or cap points (in a moba way), instead add something else to middle, like a buff which makes NPCs more resilient or when the buff is claimed it grants stealth to NPCs for 5-10 seconds.

By making NPCs spawn periodically there would be less zerging and more counterplay as pushes are anticipated/happen in a wave.

Mortifer.2946:

Look at FB picture. Can it be true? :P

Are you that naive? :P

I think it would make more sense to give Hundred Blades a 50 or 100% chance to destroy enemy projectiles. It would add more depth to the weapon without overbuffing it.

Geneaux.9547:

witcher.3197:

MiniEquine.6014:

This has been brought up before, but I’m pretty sure they are just going to wait until the full class reveal. It’s pointless to try theory-crafting without all of the class information, so they are probably trying to stifle useless speculation.

It’s not only theorycrafting. Gathering info, giving feedback, sharing questions and answers, gathering the best questions for future betas etc.

Sounds like what the HoT-section is for.

Then why don’t they remove the profession forums because that’s related to the original game? Revenant posts often get buried by other feedback threads, it would be better to have a dedicated place for that. We all know that at some point it’ll be added, but we are over 2 betas and 1 dedicated twitch showcase, it should have been added already imo.

^ Our rating system is exploitable, that’s why builds aren’t moved from testing. There were even multiple votes submitted from the same IP, and basically every voter ignores what rating ranges mean. Letting MtD pass was a mistake that got reverted. Sadly the crew is rather small and has other things to do, so it’ll take a while before anything significant happens. It was done to ensure quality.

About what’s wrong with MtD, I can elaborate on PM as I’ve said like a million times in this thread but not here, as I no longer wish to interact with this forum, if you want something, PM me – I’m only here because people keep calling me out with nonsense.

Tutorials were removed because they had 0 educational value. You are attacking people who can’t distinguish who is the clone and who is the real mes, backpedal cluelessly without even attacking, don’t dodge a single thing and you burn Moas in 1v1 without any reason.

PS – actually I’ve already explained what’s wrong with MtD in my very 1st comment in this thread, but that’s how much people pay attention.

Windwalker.7421:

witcher.3197:

Maybe I was a bit mad, sorry for that, but it’s frustrating that I wanted get a legit arguement going and you all just jump at my throat because I’m not part of your.. whatever you call it. Most of you won’t read what I comment yet will keep responding, but whatever.

Wow, it’s like text-book trolling!

Woe me, the troll is now the villain being assaulted by all the forum cultists who were defending their build and playstyle from the droves of angry power-shatter pros who continually call every other build bad, ineffective, “trash”, useless, etc.

I can’t recall one MtD Mesmer ever saying Power-Shatter is bad, trash, low-skill, useless, etc.!

It would only make you look ignorant if you did that anyway, but to come here and play the victim is truly just as ignorant. People are defending their choice, and they have every right to do so, as the only valid argument against MtD is that it’s not top-tier. It has been used effectively at all levels and all PvP modes aside from the very very top levels of play. That is hardly a reason to call a build and play style trash, ineffective, low-skill, etc. It’s insulting people, and that’s what you get for insulting people…they fight back. duh!

And you owe that dude 100g and you know it. Your “I’m taking my toys and going home” post proves that even you see it, but are trying -and failing miserably- to justify why you don’t have to pay it.

Don’t let your mouth (fingers) write a check that your tail can’t cash!

I can tell you did not read more than the 1st few lines of my comment. Which kind of proves my point.

Maybe I was a bit mad, sorry for that, but it’s frustrating that I wanted get a legit arguement going and you all just jump at my throat because I’m not part of your.. whatever you call it. Most of you won’t read what I comment yet will keep responding, but whatever.

I’m fine with you having opinions, but don’t act like your opinion was fact especially if every top player disagrees with you. Notice how you chased off everyone of this forum who had a different opinion than you do despite you being the in-game minority, yet you refuse to be called a cult. I offered a bet, 1 or 2 guys actually participated in the bet, the rest of you just jumped on the bandwagon hating on me and cheering for them, because I dare to point out that you are wrong.

You expect me to give away 100 gold for no reason. Your 3 reasons so far: you don’t know what figurative speech is (and that part isn’t even truly the part of the build), 1 guy pointed out that Blood sucks for mes (checked it, Helseth’s standard S/T build still has blood on it), same guy said Vampirism sucks (vampirism is as close to top tier mesmer meta as it can get). Now, why would i give away 100g if you are wrong? Actually Sadrien, you’ve tried and failed, if I were that guy you’d owe me 100.

Could we get back on track? if you still want to debate it, drop a PM.

Aggrostemma.1703:

I modify my build every single match depending on my and the enemy’s team composition.

Ah I see. Well the expression you are looking for is “counter comping” not being “anti meta” :P

Aggrostemma.1703:

shadaux.5192:

Erm I eat meta builds for breakfast on a regular basis it’s just it gets boring after a while cos once I beat them once in a match they all start running away from me unless it’s 2v1 or greater, fgs such skill yea. Keep telling yourselves ur good players not at all being carried by passive easy to play builds.

So s/he is going to follow YOUR build which is an anti-meta build.
You are built to expose the weaknesses of any metabattle build.

This "meta"’ word is slightly overused I feel :P People don’t really know what it means anymore.

1st of all – if there would be an “anti-meta”, then that would be meta and top players would have figured it out long before anyone on this forum.

2nd – not every build on metabattle is a “meta build” – only builds that are actually labeled as meta are parts of the current metagame, which is a very small portion of builds. The rest is simply viable.

3rd – c’mon, there is no way he found a build that can beat basically nearly every viable build in the game and it remains unknown.

4th – shadaux, if despite all the odds what you say is true, why don’t you sign up for weekly cups and win money with it?

Since people can’t read and ignore what I reply I will make a last post.

For the last time, in the bet I’ve asked if the build is correct. If you get the sigils/runes/traits/skill from the site, will it be correct and viable even if in the usage some people can’t comprehend what “figurative” is? Yes. Or is every single link with gw2skills or intothemists wrong because they have tons of outdated tooltips even if they build setup is correct?

Daniel Handler.4816:

Also if you wanna complain about the build part, show me where rune of vampirism is a meta variant.

When was the last time you watched a tournament? (discussion continues in private)

MiniEquine.6014:

This has been brought up before, but I’m pretty sure they are just going to wait until the full class reveal. It’s pointless to try theory-crafting without all of the class information, so they are probably trying to stifle useless speculation.

It’s not only theorycrafting. Gathering info, giving feedback, sharing questions and answers, gathering the best questions for future betas etc.

Furious.2867:

witcher.3197:

Furious.2867:

I hate jumping puzzles coz I fall and die all the time. No guide can ever change how terrible I am at those. Maybe it has something to do with being afraid of heights.

But wait, why are people offended that a dev recommended metabattle?

Because some forum people are bad at the game and if their opponents start using legit builds they won’t win any matches.

Are you the owner of metabattle?

It’s the best, most organized resource for all 3 game modes.

I, I think I love you <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Glad we could help ^^ But I’m just one of the admins not the owner.

Furious.2867:

I hate jumping puzzles coz I fall and die all the time. No guide can ever change how terrible I am at those. Maybe it has something to do with being afraid of heights.

But wait, why are people offended that a dev recommended metabattle?

Because some forum people are bad at the game and if their opponents start using legit builds they won’t win any matches.

My post was deleted by a mod. TL;DR – you really want that gold too bad you don’t have anything to claim it.

The best you can do is complaining about wording in the usage, which basically isn’t even part of the build? But fine, let’s consider usage to be a part of it because you are special.

If you watch closely, the skill itself does link to Blur. The rest is called figurative speech but you probably never heard of it.

The article is refering to Sword 2 as 2nd distortion because it can be used as a panic button just like F4. What’s next, you’ll say “ha! it say stability will help me stomp enemies, I pressed stability and he did not get somped! you did not say I must press F!”?

@Sadrien – MtD is trash, whatever you add or don’t add it’ll be trash. Besides, not having extra 10 million options listed isn’t a mistake.

PS – I have better things to do than listening to unreasonable arguements of the forum cult, if anyone still has any questions PM me, but I’m done here.

Aggrostemma.1703:

Can you please try to understand me?

Request denied.

Aggrostemma.1703:

(Anyways I think if somebody completely copy a metabattle build has no imagination or unique playstyle. )

Or maybe that person wants to be effective. :P Usually these “tweakings” that people do to builds after copying them drastically reduces the potential of the builds just to make it easier to play.

shadaux.5192:

Hmm lets see – every single beautifully crafted build that has ever been put on there has been reduced to disgusting passive cheese, a lot of its “tips” are borderline exploits and it has destroyed build diversity.
I mean pirate bay has some nice movies but…

You can pretend that those builds don’t exist but you’ll keep losing to them. “Destroyed build diversity” – metabattle has more builds listed under PvP than the average gw2 player knows of, imo that’s promoting diversity. Ofc most people will want to go with the best option but you can’t blame them for that.

But let’s not derail the thread.

Make sure you are using the right build

If you have wells and have the trait Death Perception try to enter DS after dropping your wells. The trait affects every skill while in DS not only the DS ones, increasing well crit hit chance by 50%.

Sadrien.3470:

Really ??? I thought that one was an obvious jk lol.

I’ve seen too much around here QQ

Sadrien.3470:

I forgot to add the troll face it was obviously a joke message… but you also forgetting about breaking banners while your foes has Stab with moa, and condi build edits. And I did not rant I wrote 2 sentences you are trying to make me sound undignified and stupid because you don’t want to look like your breaking your part of a deal I wouldn’t hold you to anyways.

Sry then. It’s honestly very hard to determine whether people are serious or joking on the profession forums.

Daniel Handler.4816:

(…)

If blood was added instead of leeching that’s because blood was used at tournaments or by top streamers and not leeching, as we don’t add things randomly. Leeching works best if you have a geomancy, hydromancy or an already placed AoE to proc it, otherwise it can be dodged or blinded. When you swap to sword that usually happens because you are being focused, very often by a thief in which case melee combat is unavoidable and proccing blood more than once shouldn’t be too hard. Both sigils have pros and cons but neither of them are main recommendations.

Sadrien.3470:

I think all my suggestions I pmed to witcher deserve 100gold each…. where’s my 1k gold in the mail.

Yes like adding runes that are at least 2 years outdated, sure great suggestions. Or the one where you did not realize that staff is listed on the build and were ranting about how the usage has parts about staff?

Sebrent.3625:

Thief and Engineer who are only part of the sPvP meta … and have not always been a part of it.

I think you’re right about engi but Thief is actually the only profession that’s been meta in PvP since release as far as I remember.

Valik Shin.9027:

They have no op builds in PvP

Shoutbow is probably the most OP build in PvP at the moment while it’s also one of the most forgiving ones in existence. This build alone makes every single condition build non-viable. Also, dealing damage is a joke, it’s mostly done by proccing on-swap sigils and spamming the longbow burst skill on CD (as the proc is instant and the AoE covers the entire point, it also has no counterplay).

2 weeks ago a team of 5 shoutbows won the EU ESL weekly cup. 4 out of 5 of them don’t even main warrior. Ofc that is not the most optimal comp, but the fact that it was doable tells a lot

uhohhotdog.3598:

Have they said what they’re doing tomorrow?

Nope, so likely nothing special.

twhite.9310:

witcher.3197:

uhohhotdog.3598:

Should hopefully be another one tomorrow

No. If there was no announcement yesterday then there won’t be. They are taking a break, I’d expect it to be a lot more than just 1 or 2 weeks. Maybe a month.

Volrath.1473:

What’s up with it?
in 5 weeks A-net announced 5 profession specializations and suddenly, no more… we are all left hanging waiting to see what our profession specialization will be…

tyvm!

They only announced 3 in 3 weeks. What do you mean?

We know 5 specs have been announced:
Chronomancer
Dragonhunter
Reaper
Druid
Tempest

They only covered Reaper, Chrono and DH. Also they did not announce 5 in 5 weeks, Druid was announced in January (without any details) and the name Tempest was kind of a leak (plus we don’t know anything about it aside from some datamining).

uhohhotdog.3598:

Should hopefully be another one tomorrow

No. If there was no announcement yesterday then there won’t be. They are taking a break, I’d expect it to be a lot more than just 1 or 2 weeks. Maybe a month.

Volrath.1473:

What’s up with it?
in 5 weeks A-net announced 5 profession specializations and suddenly, no more… we are all left hanging waiting to see what our profession specialization will be…

tyvm!

They only announced 3 in 3 weeks. What do you mean?

Uriel.6310:

ima gonna be sad if we cant play a viable condi necro for pvp without being steamrolled.

Condi nec is still a viable spec unles the enemy team’s playing with at least 3 shoutbows. It’s not in a good place, but it’s not as bad as people portray it in this topic (unless you want to participate in weekly cups). It’s just not an easy build.

I’m sure people would want to share beta experiences, ask about the professon, theorycraft etc. Gotham needs this.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

The only people complaining about turrets were new, casual and sometimes intermediates.

Many top players were complaining about the build. Whether it was OP or not is debatable, but it was for sure imbalanced.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

ronpierce.2760:

For anyone saying not jumping will pseudo fix it, thats also not true. It can happen when using a leap skill.

“Don’t use leap skills, don’t jump. Don’t fall, just walk off slowly. Dodge launch.”

Dodge launch, but do not jump-dodge launch because there is a bug where the immob and dodge happens at the same time, which can lead to mid air immob! Legit bug.

Carighan.6758:

Rule of thumb, if someone says your (internally sensible) spec is bad, they’re just raging or being envious of you winning.

What if a teammate says it because you did not contribute to the match at all, effectively making it a 4v5 because your build is bad?

This bug very heavily affects PvP and it’s been at least a year now. Are the devs aware of this?

Sadrien.3470:

witcher.3197:

Sadrien.3470:

That like a free 100g your giving away witcher….

Then why aren’t you going for it? Besides it’s still a wiki if you feel like something’s off it would cost you roughly a minute to help out.

Your wiki won’t let me create an account or act anonymously without an account so I can’t if I want to.

It’s not mine. Hmm, 4 accounts were created today so idk why you’re having issues creating one. Are you sure you weren’t auto banned by the spam filter for posting internal links on your very 1st edit a while ago?

Sadrien.3470:

That like a free 100g your giving away witcher….

Then why aren’t you going for it? Besides it’s still a wiki if you feel like something’s off it would cost you roughly a minute to help out.

Sadrien.3470:

witcher.3197:

Why am I even trying. Ok, MtD is the best build universe. It can even 1v5 teams. /thread

I offered a reasonable argument you are the one who is being unreasonable right now. I never said MtD was better just that it has the strengths listed above and you outright refuse to admit it can be any good, don’t even read my posts or respond as if you haven’t, and insult guilds as if they are a single entity of which all members are identical.

That comment wasn’t only meant for you, but the direction this thread was taking. I’ve had one too many conversations about MtD on this forum and I do not want to turn this thread inot another one that’s why I do not want to elaborate. Your points are wrong btw, but I know that I will never be able to convince you.

Edit: nvm, very brief response: it doesn’t “force” any cleansing, a warrior/ele doing simple roations and healing can negate you as a side effect, your attacks are mostly unrelyable and only strong in theory, your weapon skills and shatters are clunky, power shatter destroys MtD in a duel, and is just as dependent on stealth if not more as you don’t have access to instant defensive mehcanics granted by IP or the distortion from sword 2.

switcher please go back to being a highly biased admin for metabattle.com( which is an acceptable resource but only recruits closed-minded admins )

We are where we are because we value quality over quantity and aren’t biased. Last month I’ve archived 2 of my favorite builds (which means removing it from the working category/frontpage), how is that biased? I think we are open minded, but that doesn’t mean we worship everything you can kill an enemy with in very specific situations.

Fay.2357:

Metabattle.com, at least for mesmer, is just about as close to a complete joke as is possible to achieve.

100g if you find a mistake in a shatter build for Pvp that we have. If you can’t, you owe me 100g. Deal?

For guides there is qqmore for builds use metabattle

Why am I even trying. Ok, MtD is the best build universe. It can even 1v5 teams. /thread

Chaos Archangel.5071:

When people say the builds are “bad” what they’re saying is that the specs don’t have as much of a place in teamplay by their very playstyle.

You are right about that, though if you are playing PU or MtD you are doing something wrong and the greatest issue is that it’s not only about teamfights.

PU/MtD

These are all duel builds which work just fine in WvW. Notably the best defense a mesmer has is Stealth – which isn’t an optimal choice for point contesting, and that’s the only role in Conquest where dueling makes sense. Let’s say you still go for it and engage in a 1v1 on a sidepoint. Most specs in the meta can easily counter you (shoutbow, cele ele, even cele engi can do that especially with elixir gun). But let’s say you are winning against something – at this point there is a good chance that your opponent fullcapped the node and the duel went on for ages, giving the enemy team chance to +1 the fight and quickly overwhelm the mes.
(Even if you are winning the duel, there is nothing you can do to stop your enemy from disengaging and resetting the fight.)
Now let’s say you are respawning and close needs help. The most you can do is to give motivational speeches because you will barely do any damage and if you do, ele/war/guard AoE cleansing will negate it.
And finally, there is no dire amulet so you can’t even have the optimal stats.

TL;DR These are dedicated duel specs yet can’t hold points and most dedicated duel builds are going to beat these not to mention that there are many many builds out there that can fill this role better and be useful in other situations as well.

Lockdown – well technically this is still a power shatter build and there is nothing wrong with it. It can set up kills for the team with the immob, deal good dmg in teamfights, it’s useful.

These forums aren’t some cult

Actually this forum does feel like a hipster cult. :P You have an entire guild/forum worhsipping MtD and Lockdown hating on everything that’s mainstream.

Oolune.4357:

It probably won’t be anything this exciting, but I’d really love use of spear on land.

You did not follow the news in this year I guess. No underwater weapons on land and no new weapon types.

Limpooka.7918:

Nice, thanks. Vampire runes are not something I would ever have considered using. I shall give it a go.

As Thaddeus said leeching from vampirism adds some nice bonus to both dmg and sustain while the Mist Form makes the build even more forgiving than it is. You can just keep ressing/stomping without worrying about getting cleaved down and works as a jail free card against perfectly coordinated power based burst without requiring any effort on your side.

PvP feels like a fan-made life support project. I lost every incentive to play the game. The ladder means nothing. If I want real competition I can’t just do it in-game like in GW1 or WoW – no, I have to participate in 3rd party fabricated tournaments in custom arenas with no infrastructure whatsoever where rewards are manually distributed. Can’t even observe tournaments without going to twitch. (another 3rd party)

I feel like they deliberately don’t add things to PvP just to pursue the e-sport dream. For instance, lack of in-game observer mode forces players who want to learn from those matches to watch streams (where people can’t select which part they actually want to watch) and lack of high-end reward structure forces players to participate in these tournaments.

Problem is, growth and “e-sports” can’t be forced, it’ll hurt the game not help it.

Cele – this is almost exactly what you described.
Condi

Elixir S is good, but Slick Shoes is more popular atm, it’s just OP.

lordkrall.7241:

If they didn’t, why would they release a completely new mode (and map) for one and a completely new map (including new systems) for the other?

As to why they focus less on that: Because the majority of the playerbase are PvE:ers and it is PvE that generates the most amount of money.
It really is as simple as that.

The new PvP gamemode is totally catering to PvE players.

“majority of players plays PvE” – you know why’s that? Because they spend their resources on PvE. The last content for PvP was added more than a year ago (Courtyard) and it’s unranked only. Before that, Skyhammer – 2013.

You do not water a flower for a long period of time and then justify not giving it water ever again because it’s not doing well? Maybe you should have cared about it in he first place.

Pepsi.8907:

And they actually hot nerfed pretty hard too… No use necroing a post for that

“Hot nerfed” – this build existed for ~9 months I believe.

For PvP GS/Staff is unlikely to work. Both are slow and blinds/blocks/CC can make you completely useless. Ofc I had no chance to play it yet, that’s just the initial impression.

Let’s face it, they are both holding back. They do not want to show real duels where one spec might get destroyed by another with 100-0 because that would cause outrage. This is pretty much staged imo.

Unless they announce that there will be new revenant stuff in the beta why would you think there would be?