Guild Wars 2

Evan Lesh.3295:

It’s almost like DH has a low skill floor or something.

If you come to play a game than see DH everywhere and spam their trap. BOOM BOOM BOOM man down everywhere. what did you feel? join them? or leave this game? only one word for their feeling : unbalance.

People come to play your game. Not come to learn your game. Don’t want to control player play what class or want they learn how to fight a class.

I have said already. Another DH meta. This is not a balance problem. This is a design problem. They are not make any main modify for DH since S1.

If a AOE skill – no spell time, huge damage , short CD, area sustained, Invisible, big region. This is a irresponsible design and will get suck surly.

DH have three skill like this and 2 or 3 stack together per team. So new players don’t have any chance in this game and they are also implicate other exp players.

Target ele.
Put CC on him > put damage on him than they are over.
ele+nec. no block less inv less move skill. This is a FREE KILL combination.

JayAction.9056:

Saiyan.1704:

JayAction.9056:

you can literally evade/block/LOS most of their skills and they place these instant cast traps and boom ~90% hp gone.

It’s actually quite easy to instagib someone on DH or +1, but you don’t see that happen as often as could be because even at legend in s1-s4 it was quite obvious that most DH are horrible.

For instance how often do you see a DH use traps to prevent a res? Rarely, if ever…

I guess i’m that 1% of the DH population who can do what’s deemed uncommon to you. I beg the question though… what trap in the game that causes 90% health gone? I mean, you’d have to get hit with literally 4 traps+additional dps for that scenario to happen.

Had a full trap DH insta die to 2 guys on point today. I had the time to type, “lol, full trap dh?” Before I fought the 2 guys and won the 1v2 fight.

People complain about full trap DH… Literally every single class in the game can counter it.. I just can’t fathom how people are having issues.

No single trap is taking 90% of my hp. But if you are using traps one at a time instead of layering the effect of at least 2+ you are just randomly throwing out damage (literally – random trap placement – random damage) … Procession of blades, test of faith, and dragon’s maw can easily end up being way over 100% of my hp(muliple times over actually) if I take full damage

DH can place traps on a point and leave the point and the traps alone can down rev or thief. It happens all the time and has happened to me multiple times which was how I originally came to the conclusion that the traps are too potent, and then later realized that DHs generally do not land many of their actual attacks.

TBH, it’s actually pretty rare that I even get hit by a DH (unless they are playing trapper runes and continuously getting an opener from stealth). Generally the traps do everything for you. I play rev btw. s1-s4 legend. I’d say more than 90% of DH 1v1s if it were not for traps DH might land maybe 2-3 attacks besides the auto (if that) and the pull+follow up attack. The traps do all the work no debating.

When I play DH for lols I get instant kills if I play it in a manner similar to how I play rev.

BOOM!!! ~~ Man Down~~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeWtUkr-1MA&t=1s

nicknamenick.2437:

yeah i dont think the traps are the problem here or the dmg.

when you play good you can ignore the traps, but i have to agree that the pull is too good how it is now.

Pull should have a better animation (like pin down) so if you can dodge the pull/chain you can win pretty decent against DH.

(lets not forget that DH doesnt even had a pull, so giving it a bigger animation shouldnt be a problem)

yeah i don’t think too. but the teammate is the problem. do you see your teammate down down down man down….. . OMG do you control or choose your teammate? OMG Trap IS nOOb killer! omG! Do you know how many player will learn how to fight a DH with other class? Why don’t join them? OMG! I think the traps and the dmg are the problem now.

But nothing modify the main point. I think you better tell your team play PVP one hour per day for data collection. How to make a good game? Not Viewer. Not Developer. Come to be a Player. Play your game and improve it. This is necessary.

REV – you get the point.

DH – nothing will change. The problem from the region of tarp , CD , spell time and your game mode. This is not a trap. This is a land mine without damage himself.

ELE – nothing will change. boring heal bot. No survive No output. They are like NEC. The first target without that block block block 12345 system.

THIEF – nothing will change. When the range of steal change to 1200 and dagger 3 still here. Sword thief was gone.

MES – nothing will change. The problem come from their one key cool down buttom make them have double skill. You can not do that do not think others can not. Look at your REV after your n*nerf but they still the top one.

ENG – Who want to choose a gun in that block block block 12345 combat system!? Do they want to die? Do they can make enough damage or kill someone on those invincible monster before their die?

But anyway, this is a good begin.

DH come and stack together! Go though this season! Break their Game!

And I happy to see two or three of Druids, Scrapper or Ele in enemy team. if you have played unrank or s4 rank. You should know this is a Punch Bag Association. no tooth no damage.

You said that class who have sustain , damage , flexibility , +1 , 1v1 …….
what is a no brain design?
who kick thief and warrior out of the the PVP?
THIS IS!

If ESL can class stack. There would have 2 or 3 of them in every team surely.

Nerfing power rev will not have a bunker meta.
We will see a DH meta.
Another no brain design and their predator is gone.

This is the great new of this whole year! I can’t wait to leave that block block block 12345 spam hell of HoT! Thx for your team take back the control of skill modify and design!

Aeolus.3615:

Necros are weak when alone, i dont think nerf damage output would be good.

The real issue is the damage output of other classes mixtured with with stacked necros.

ReV hammer Stacked spammers, DH Ji trappers stacked, and a few others, Anet increased the aoe/cleave spam on this game, while they should reduce it and make some aoe classes unique.

Dont change necro, changes all the other classes cleave/aoe spam… to just a few skills.

Even my heavy modded skyrim is way more balanced than this game. XD

Anet needs to design classes in pvp in mind and then adapt them do pve, the aoe/cleave spam in this game makes it horrible to watch, reason why pvp isnt that much observed, people get disgusted with all the splash damage.

+1 modded skyrim is more balance than this ? kitten? game.The balance of this game is the worst I have never seen. I try staff thief today and make 9 times jumping , jump in , jump out, just pass two keys dodge and staff 5. This is brainless just spam two keys and don’t have any danger. I don’t know how do they can make a game like that.

If they want PVP to measure up the e-sport. The frequency of balance is not fine.
We all know the problem of PVP are class balance and combat system from HoT(that brainless block, block, block, inv, evade 12345) . New player cannot survive in this environment. No player base, No game, No income. This is a TURE and they need to face that. Today, MMORPG are all go to end game. PVP is other way to go out.

You have sustain- ok. you have damage- ok. you have great movement- ok.
BUT IF YOU HAVE sustain+damage+movement . THAT IS TOTALLY kitten! THE GAME WILL BE kittenING SUCK LIKE NOW.

S4 = S5 DH stack together meta = Kill low MMR like a God and Die like a kitten in High MMR again. Every match have 3-4 DH > No one will happy > Can’t defeat them > Join them together > More DH…. S4 is the worst season. What are they learn from S4 !?

Some people think they can good to fight with DH. You know? I know. but Sorry , you in this DH stack together meta you need at less 4 ppls they all know how to fight. Not just you. Do you think this is possible under this kittening MMR system!?

Redesign DH is a way to go out. A game should not make for that 10% high level player and give other 90% player to make 10% player lose a match.

This is a problem in S4. Also will happen in S5. The balance patch can’t easy to fix it. It also like condition stacking and boon spam problem. They came from design, not balance. This a irresponsible design and a fail teaching material for game designer.

What? You talk that 2000 viewer game!? I think anet cut it would be better.
Anet just give us a kittening show after HoT building on their kittening balance block block block 1 2 3 4 5 game.

I don’t think block block block dodge dodge miss miss inv inv block block move out heal heal move in block block ….. everyone like a robot do their rotation is fun. In Hot, I don’t care what are enemy doing. I just see my skill cool down and pass the keys by step. This is all about HoT. This is not a fighting. Give us back oldest PVP.

War Never Changes

and GO
http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

chose a noob meta build.

go to play DH or REV. Warrior? Power Warrior? What? another Punch Bag.
This game Balance is very very suck you never think.

Play a class have block, inv, damage and movement with short CD. that all.

Lymphy.1276:

xeonage.1253:

The main point is “New players are the Victims in this brainless system”.
They do not even make any damage to the veteran.
This brainless system also open the gap from Top MMR and Low MMR.
If your team have 1-2 new players. You cannot do anything. They just a resurrection machine for enemy.

You can see what is mean "Toy For Veteran " in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZ9lkbK_2U&t=13s

LMAO that vid is pure entertainment.

I agree that beginners will be out skilled by veterans, but that is to be expected in any game, sport or anything competitive.

On a side note they are playing the same game(same stat selection, same classes options, same set of rules and so on) the only thing that is different is the ability/skill to excel at the “brainless system”. Ooh i know, not only do they lack a brain to understand this “brainless system”, but they also hitting keys with their face! (Sorry, not the finest joke.)
The point is that novice will always be out skilled by a vet there is no need to change a game.

In other games, they can at least assist the attack or can do a little damage, but in this game, they are burdened and is the enemy’s resurrection machine. Brainless system just for people who can do the rotation. But for new player? sorry, come and do a punch bag. How to keep the player base? how grow up the player base?

if you are a new player, play a game that do not make any damage for enemy and like to fight with a hacker. block block inv inv inv dodge dodge heal heal movement again~~ what do you feel? what do you do? do you keep to play this game? I think go CS and click left mouse key is a better choice.

The main point is “New players are the Victims in this brainless system”.
They do not even make any damage to the veteran.
This brainless system also open the gap from Top MMR and Low MMR.
If your team have 1-2 new players. You cannot do anything. They just a resurrection machine for enemy.

You can see what is mean "Toy For Veteran " in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZ9lkbK_2U&t=13s

block block block inv inv evade evade move out heal heal move in block block block inv inv. I just watch my skill bar and pass key by step when fighting. lol this is gw2 now.

It’s call HoT power creep.
Destroy the game step by step. My friend all leave the game already … only I stay.

Irresponsible!
Your guy fail for GW2.

What is power creep after HoT of NEC? Reaper? GS?
You should give them a real power creep like other class.
They look like a punch bag now.

let’s play other class

In this block block block inv inv evade evade move out heal heal move in block block block inv inv game?

The new player all just a toy of veteran in this brainless system.
Do you want to play a game that you do not make any damage to enemy !?
I can say: New player NO any chance

PVP before HoT is fine. But after HoT, this just a suck game like WoW.

REV also no need any keyboard movement skill. Just following skill rotation. pass a key transport to target make off and def damage and pass a key leave the target than do rotation to defense. Their movement ALL are Invincible OR break CC. That’s why ppls no any chance to make enough damage/kill a good(LOL) rev.

The main problem is off and def in same time with great movement. You can see the same problem in staff/condi thief and dh. Do crazy damage and don’t have any danger. Great movement make condi is not the problem of rev because he can easy get out of attack region and back to target again.

REV? FRee KILL? 0-100? a Class with no brain evade , block , movment , crazy dps, double healing with inv …. !? you should try to play solo NEC.

This is funny! Target always on!

Even if give you 50000+ HP when begin you still dead like a Target Golem.
The problem of NEC is not about how many HP do you have. In HoT CC , Sustain , Cleaning … everything are out of control but NEC still use the old system.
Even if S2 S3 Nec Crazy season , Nec was also very easy to kill in high level.

Match begin
target Nec
put cc on him
put Immobilized on him
put damage on him
then you don’t have any chance to pass a button even if a one dodge.

if you survive with your movement or something keyboard skill that just mean your adversary don’t know what is a real push.

ELE and NEC still~
1. Lock target on them →
2. put CC on them →
3. put damage on them →
4. they die and your them have +5 point and 20 sec 5v4.

“Fading Twilight: The aftercast of this ability has been reduced by 0.11 seconds.”
“Chilling Scythe: The aftercast of this ability has been reduced by 0.06 seconds.”

0.11 sec?
what is that !!!???

0.06 sec?
Are you X-man!?

What is your balance team going on?

But Rev got good nerf is the most better thing in this balance patch.

Something you can see how crazy of their balance team

“Fading Twilight: The aftercast of this ability has been reduced by 0.11 seconds.”
“Chilling Scythe: The aftercast of this ability has been reduced by 0.06 seconds.”

0.11 sec?
what is that !!!???

0.06 sec?
Are they X-man?

Chungo.3169:

xeonage.1253:

That’s why Rev take the place of Thief.
Thief = 20sec
Rev = 5sec

Offensive -
Rev : Give Me a Target.

Defensive -
Rev: Give Me a Target.

Other Time –
Rev: Just Give Me a Target.

This game is suck!

Sorry to say revenant can not teleport every 5 seconds, needs energy and this ability uses a lot (I’m main revenant and I can say that after teleport need to change legend for not staying power to use) the thief does not spend energy to teleport and can use all his energy to attack and make another teleporting followed (in addition to the CC, stealth and crazy damage thief), you can not compare this

energy? revenant no need to teleport every 5 seconds. But he want to teleport. skill always get ready and he can teleport every 5 seconds when he want. this is not about energy. we are talking about choice and cool down.

Anet forget player can use a off skill to go def and movement in high level team fight.
Don’t forget this is a teleport. Through the wall and terrain. Like hack skill.

I think Anet may be employ some graphics designer to do skill/class balance and design. You can see many skill logic problems from HoT.

and you need to know
Where are HoT Power creep come from? -> RAID

example:
How to break a boss’s defiance Bar in 5 – 10 sec?
answer:
numerous CC skill ->
PVP… CC aoe , CC CD out of control
example:
How to make condi damage become MUST in raid?
answer:
condi can be stack and increase damage, make some condi hurting mode for boss->
PVP… condi kind , stack , time out of control -> cleaning become MUST -> cleaning CD , effect area out of control
example:
How to make long survival time and tank under raid boss’s crazy damage?
answer:
increase block , dodge , inv , movement , healing ->
PVP… less touch time , hard to kill people -> increase damage, boon stack out of control
example:
How to kill the raid boss/minions in a limit time and under raid’s crazy damage?
answer:
increase damage , def & off same time skill , AoE damage skill , AoE cc skill , AoE condi skill , boon stack , condi stack …… ->
PVP… Just put AoE in that smaaaaallll circle PLEASE!

Raid kill PvP and WvW.

We remind them because we love this last mmo. But if they don’t face the problem and improve it. No one can save GW2.

That’s why Rev take the place of Thief.
Thief = 20sec
Rev = 5sec

Offensive -
Rev : Give Me a Target.

Defensive -
Rev: Give Me a Target.

Other Time –
Rev: Just Give Me a Target.

This game is suck!

Pomdepin.7068:

blocks and invulnerabilities (sometimes passive effects !) are way too numerous. How is it even possible that a warrior (yeah, you again, sorry) can block more than 50% of the time,

LOL. Do you know this game have a class it call Revenant? You should use it for example.

ELE and NEC =
1. Lock target on them ->
2. put CC on them ->
3. put damage on them ->
4. they die and your them have +5 point and 20 sec 5v4.
Even if you are God or Superman or Mutant. Just die~

Because they do not have that block block block inv inv dodge dodge movement heal heal block block block ….. brainless system.

lol .
Now you should know why GW2 still losing peoples since HoT patch.
because Teamwork , Team fight always is a Toxic of any PVP , MOBA game.
That why people want to balance from 1v1 but not 5v5.
This game have a good combat system and near 1v1 balance before HoT .Unfortunately, HoT break them all.

PVE is easy to balance. They are Brain dead(Anet).
When you go in a Raid then you will have some buff like +20%HP +20%ATT +10%DEF when you have HoT Elite……
So don’t put the Power Creep in PvP.
What? Wrong?!??
HO! Power Creep is just about MONEY ~ not PVP not PVE
They are not brain dead. But no planning of GW2. You can see that pitiful player base now…

~oh no, please no. That’s too much work~!

Don’t play PVP.
PvP is very suck now. GW2 have good combat system and class balance but HoT power creep break them.

Emmrahil.1934:

xeonage.1253:

Don’t make a bad balance and let it go though whole season. Like this Guardwar2 S4. Pls have a mid balance in a season. Let’s player play a worst game still 3 months. This sure break your player base and loss more player.

Actually DH wasnt even a T1 class of last season and needs boost…Ppl in low MMR just thought was op because they wasnt able counter it

Actually DH is a worst design in this Hold Point Game. AoE cc, AoE damage and stack share block and heal. It break the low MMR and get easy kill in top MMR. This class better need to remake.

Don’t make a bad balance and let it go though whole season. Like this Guardwar2 S4. Pls have a mid balance in a season. Let’s player play a worst game still 3 months. This sure break your player base and loss more player.

BrotherBelial.3094:

DH’s have bad mobility. they are very slow, and need a Rev or something to put swiftness on them to get around or a team with out 3 DH’s can just out rotate the team stacked with DH’s. people need to remember this game is a take and Hold game. if a team is too slow to react to the rotation of points, then it’s game over.

Having 3-4 guards camping middle and the other team just running in to die, has nothing to do with a DH being OP, it has to do with the players understanding of how PvP works. people seem to think that you haver to have the middle point to win a game. I’ve won plenty where middle was never held, we just rotated middle and far the other team spent most of there time trying to retake there home. instead of sending someone off to de-cap far then move to middle they just pilled in to middle or there home. also people not looking at the mini map to see where they are needed.

There are two things that make a PvP game hard, skill(someone is always going to be better than you, we all have to face it.) and the lack on knowledge/understanding of how the game modes/classes work.

DH’s have GOOD/CRAZY mobility. If you know how to use sword 2. lock target →leave target →sword 2 back.

Tomiyou.3790:

xeonage.1253:

sophiewhite.3149:

Ithir Darkleaf.7923:

Better suggestion: nerf all the powercreep introduced with HoT.

better suggestion get pve out of pvp. seriously.

better suggestion disband Raid team and delete the Raid.

What are you talking about? I love raiding even tho I pretty much only enjoy pvp. Anet has the ability to split PvE and PvP, so getting PvE involved in this shouldn’t even be a thing.

What he meant with get pve out of pvp is that Lord is Ai powered entity within the game which is infinitely more stupid and has no proper mind to defend himself. That is why pretty much only numbers matter for ai entities in PvP and thus should be removed. (as ai with op stats will never be as good as a player)

How many time they are BUFF the Lord?
Where are HoT Power creep come from?

example:
How to break a boss’s defiance Bar in 5 – 10 sec?
answer:
numerous CC skill ->
PVP… CC aoe , CC CD out of control

example:
How to make condi damage become MUST in raid?
answer:
condi can be stack and increase damage, make some condi hurting mode for boss->
PVP… condi kind , stack , time out of control -> cleaning become MUST -> cleaning CD , effect area out of control

example:
How to make long survival time and tank under raid boss’s crazy damage?
answer:
increase block , dodge , inv , movement , healing ->
PVP… less touch time , hard to kill people -> increase damage, boon stack out of control

example:
How to kill the raid boss/minions in a limit time and under raid’s crazy damage?
answer:
increase damage , def & off same time skill , AoE damage skill , AoE cc skill , AoE condi skill , boon stack , condi stack …… ->
PVP… Just put AoE in that smaaaaallll circle PLEASE!

OK! now~
Do you know why they can kill the lord under 4 ppls def with no brain?
Just like 10 ppls kill the boss in raid with no brain.
Or tell anet put a Raid boss in pvp.