Guild Wars 2

These giant “esports” tournaments have been huge failures. You’re paying these people who are “esports” in a game nobody cares about hilarious sums of money and call the entire event marketing. Meanwhile interest in the game hasn’t increased. Viewership is virtually nonexistent even in comparison to the lesser esports titles. There is literally an iPad game that gets more viewers on Twitch if you’re comparing tournament numbers. Where is the actual marketing? Has the PvP scene actually grown since the first tournaments began? Anet might think so given the amount of PvE players that have flooded and corrupted the scene trying to get achievement points and titles that Anet added to inflate their numbers, but those of us who have been there know better.

So when Helseth says he’d rather have a disastrous esports scene over terrible ads like the taxi ad, first the esports scene is already disastrous and when a business venture fails so extraordinarily hard, the wise decision is to just let it die. And forgive me if I don’t particularly care for his opinion on that subject with him being paid thousands of dollars and all. Meanwhile the rest of us who want the game to be good and who have invested major time over the years into this game have been shafted again and again and again by the woefully incompetent dev team. It’s clear the issues of GW2 are caused by their lack of understanding on how to manage a game, their stubbornness and refusal to admit mistakes, the balance team inadequacies, and so much more. After 4 years of nothing, the obvious solution is to slash this “marketing” budget and use it to fund the salaries of people who actually know what they’re doing because this current team…

When they fix the game, then an esports community can grow and flourish. Until then, RIP.

Sorel.4870:

ArrDee.2573:

Bombs died long ago because of power creep! Even if they fixed the bug and with Short Fuse, bombs will still be lackluster because you’ll just instantly die if you even try to get close to plant a bomb in a team fight! Also there’s no trait to take in tier 1 explosives if you decide to run a bomb build without Grenade Kit! And if you do decide to run Grenade Kit, your survivability will tank without the Tool Kit + Elixir S combo which is basically mandatory now if you want to survive for more than 3 seconds because, again, power creep!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

How would you know? Didn’t you stop playing something like one year ago?

Yes! And bombs were dead back then too! Since power creep has only increased since then… well you get the picture!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Bombs died long ago because of power creep! Even if they fixed the bug and with Short Fuse, bombs will still be lackluster because you’ll just instantly die if you even try to get close to plant a bomb in a team fight! Also there’s no trait to take in tier 1 explosives if you decide to run a bomb build without Grenade Kit! And if you do decide to run Grenade Kit, your survivability will tank without the Tool Kit + Elixir S combo which is basically mandatory now if you want to survive for more than 3 seconds because, again, power creep!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

You know how there’s a runeset that extends the duration of every condition? Well there’s no rune like that for immobilize! Immobilize is a condition isn’kitten I think we should have a runeset that extends immobilize duration by 45% and a random chance when struck to apply immobilize for 1 second on a 10 second cooldown!

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Rym.1469:

Motar2k sponsoring teams winning with non-meta builds.

I don’t think money is the issue here as Anet is so keen to hand out tens of thousands of dollars to its extremely tiny competitive scene that is comprised of like 3 teams in the entire world (lol)! Motar2k is awesome but he’s no dummy and will never (and should never) drop money on this game!

• Anyway to make GW2 esports, it needs an esports game mode! Conquest is not it! Stronghold will not be it either! Competitive games have high learning curves so only the most skillful players can become esports! No game mode that was advertised as “You don’t even have to be good at the game to perform well” will be esports! Guild Warts 2 is just too casual!
• To make GW2 esports, it needs more people to play and take the game seriously and strive to get better and compete, whether it be new players or existing players! No leagues, no leaderboards, no ranks, no progression, no incentive, and lack of accessibility all hamper the population! This in turn leads to awful matchmaking for the existing players!
• To make GW2 esports, Anet needs to balance the classes more frequently! When hambows became a thing, Anet waited 6 months to shave off 8% from Healing Signet! I’m sorry but that could’ve been done after a few days when you saw hambows dominate everything in both matchmaking and tournaments and Healing Signet was the most overpowered heal in the game (it still is one of the best heals in the game and you don’t even have to use it lol)!
• To make GW2 esports, Anet needs to have a better balance philosophy! Current bunkers have amazing damage output relative to their bulk! Sigil/trait/rune procs dictate how you play instead of your actual build! It makes the game random and anti-fun!
  When they decided to nerf turret Engis, and rightfully so, they did it in the most inane way possible! Instead of tweaking turrets to make the build viable, they simply nerfed it so it’s completely worthless in all 3 game modes! What’s more is that they tried to justify it by saying “Well turrets are in line with other forms of AI now” despite the fact that taking turrets renders the Engi severely weakened with no mobility, no weapon swaps, and no extra dodges! Plus unlike other forms of AI, Engi AI cannot move, cannot crit, cannot receive heals by traditional means, cannot receive buffs… What a nightmare! That’s not good balance!
• To make GW2 esports, Anet has to separate PvP from the rest of the game modes! They need to balance the skills differently between game modes just as they did in GW1 and they already do it with some things! Old Dhuumfire was 2 seconds in PvP and the full 4 second duration in PvE and WvW! Old Monk Runes gave 15% boon duration in PvE/WvW while its PvP counterpart only gave 10%! Revealed is 4 seconds in PvP and still only 3 seconds in PvE/WvW! So you see they already know splitting skill balance is an option but they are too afraid to fully commit! An alternative would be to ignore how PvP changes affect WvW and PvE, which isn’t as terrible as you may think it is seeing how PvE in this game is just a joke and WvW balance is atrocious anyway with food buffs!

Anyway, most of this stuff has been said many times before for YEARS! So good luck with the esports dream my frand! To fully answer your question, by now I feel like only an act of god will make GW2 esports! Wahoo! Bye frands!

Sorry but everything is Arenanet’s fault! Even if NCSoft was extremely stingy with financing or whatever, content direction has all been Arenanet! Dumb sigil/trait proc mechanics, bad leaderboards, bad and slow balance, immob stacking (probably the worst addition to the game yet), only one game mode, bad matchmaking, buggy mechanics like air immob and movement desyncs.. how can you blame any of these things on NCSoft when Arenanet has had 3 years to make something out of PvP and hasn’t addressed any of these issues since launch!

I used to be like you! I supported this game through all the poop and crud and Dhuumfires; through all the Skyhammers, desyncs, 6 month patches, and immob stacking! But when you’ve been playing this game for as long as I have… good luck trying to stay frandly!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Zoso.8279:

Vee Wee isn’t Courtyard DM? Why Arenas?

Good question my frand! Deathmatch and arenas are two different game modes! DM is what you see in courtyard and the way it’s set up just boils down to spamming AoE and whoever dies first usually costs their team the victory in a vicious spawn camping snowball effect! Arenas, on the other hand, should be played on a much smaller map than courtyard with less people! 3v3 on a tiny map with objects that you can hide behind for line of sight purposes! When you die, you are out! No respawns!

The LoS objects shouldn’t be too big, otherwise you can just kite forever around it until your cooldowns come back up! That’s not fun either!

Bitty.1409:

but the thing you always seem to not consider is that a majority of the people that play this game competively actually really like the mechanics of conquest.

Of course I considered it! Anyone who likes conquest can still play conquest! I’m for adding new content, not replacing existing content with something else as Anet is so keen on doing! But what about the people who don’t like conquest or who would rather play something else! Should they be forced into playing conquest! I suppose the answer is yes because of the 3 years 1 game mode clause that we unwittingly signed when purchasing this game and that saddens me!

Hope that helped! Wahoo! Bye frands!

Why did the French have so many civil wars! So they can win one now and again!

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Hi frands! Thanks for all the replies! I’ll try to respond to some of them!

Supreme.3164:

You talk about celestial bunker and don’t mention celestial rifle?
What part of this build is not bunker?

Probably the part where it gets nuked by conditions, has issues standing on the point, no permanent vigor like the actual bunkers, no defensive boons, etcetc!

serenke.4806:

Why are you still writing walls of text?

I want to play this game again and I was waiting on a frand to join my CEVO pug!

I never said to remove conquest for arenas! Some people like conquest! Some people will like stronghold! But some people like arenas, a game mode that is so easy to implement, create maps for, maintain, and will bring so many people to this game that it’s just not logical for them not to be in this game! But when it comes to esports, I think arenas is the top choice for game mode! You may say that WoW arena failed at esports but you can’t deny that it had way more popularity and success than its conquest battlegrounds! And while gaming organizations may not treat it as esport, the in game community sure does and they have regular tournaments with so many different teams and many monies to hand out! Chalk it up to the overwhelming popularity of WoW in comparison to GW2 if you want, but I don’t see WoW’s conquest counterpart getting anywhere near the amount of support/popularity/prize money/success as its arenas!

I fail to see how permanent stealth is an issue! World of Wartcraft Thieves/Assassins or whatever they were called had permanent stealth built into their character! They didn’t have to build for it or anything! There wasn’t an issue there! Sure there could be a bunch of trolls but there will be trolls in anything you do! Are there not AFKers, leavers, and other griefers in conquest? Report and move on!

I also fail to see how arena is low skill cap! I’d say arenas have a much higher skill cap than conquest because the entire point of the game mode is to outplay your opponent! “But Vee Wee, you have to know how to rotate in conquest!” Oh please! If looking at the minimap and spamming AoE on point is the definition of high skill cap…

And of course no one can deny the overwhelming popularity of MOBAs in esports! But I feel the situation can be summed up in a conversation I had with a frand of mine who quit this game (who, by the way, stated he would come back to play if there were arenas). So I was describing stronghold to him and basically said it’s a MOBA-esque game mode, to which he replied, “But isn’t GW2 an MMO?” Hah! Yes it is!

I never said Power Necros are op! I simply used the Necromancer as an example for insane procs! Sigils and procs should enhance a build, not be the primary method of everything! Some people say balance is ok because every class has a viable build! How many of these viable builds would continue to be so without their precious Air/Fire combo! How many decent builds have turned into juggernauts with the combo! How do you counterplay a random crit or hit! The whole system is just anti-fun!

I think that’s it! Thanks again for reading! If you have something to contribute, I hope you do so! But let’s avoid the trolling and flaming so we can have a discussion on how Guild Warts 2 can improve into the game I know it can be! Wahoo! Bye frands!

Supreme.3164:

No mention of cele rifle engi…so we have to assume that cele engi is 100% balanced, do you really expect people to take you seriously?

You complain about power necro random procs..and ignore IP? slick shoe anybody? …you already know the way to the door

Show me where I said any of that.

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I wrote this wall of text during a fit of insomnia! Enjoy my frands!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/36mave/vee_wees_thoughts_about_gw2/crf583f

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1. Equip longbow!
2. Equip Healing Signet!
3. Trait Fast Hands + Cleansing Ire!
4a. If sword/warhorn, equip Celestial Amulet, take 2/3 shouts, trait Vigorous Shouts!
4b. If any other weapon, equip Berserker Amulet, take 2/3 stances, trait Burst Mastery!

#builddiversity

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That’s not deathmatch, that’s arena! And Arenanet has already stated they are probably not going to make arenas. And if they decide to do it, it won’t be for a few years at least! Even though it’s the most esportz and popular form of MMO PvP that is guaranteed to revitalize this game’s stale PvP, there’s no reasoning with them!

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Probably wouldn’t work too well unless you refuse to swap to Mortar until you’re condi bombed which is a huge waste of an elite kit!

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Sorry but the worst designed class is Engi! The class is balanced in a way that if you decide to use a build without kits, it will fail! Also all Engis are pigeonholed into the Explosives and Alchemy tree! When the standard trait setup is 30/x/x/20/10 with only 10 free trait points to choose from, that’s extremely bad!

The best designed class… Guardian? No other class has been in every single meta since launch!

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Shoutbow is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with Guild Warts balance! Here we have a super tanky bunker that can deal extraordinary damage for its bulk, has absolutely insane mobility and is one of the only classes that has access to permanent vigor, and has single handedly rendered condi builds worthless! #balance

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1. Conquest!
2. Immob stacking!
3. Bunkers dealing lots of damage!
4. Slow balance!
5. Low pop!
6. Bad balance!
7. Rangers!
8. Profession dailies!
9. Courtyard!
10. Skyhammer!
11. Spirit Watch!
12. Foefire!
13. Lack of arenas!

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Saiyan.1704:

“That would be like a logical.. thing.. to happen… " – Karl’s subtle hint.

It’s also logical for tanky builds to do less damage and to balance more often and to not complete destroy builds under the guise of balance and whatever I don’t care.

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So Blu and Ostrich Eggs, two of the most fanatical and devoted GW2 players have left the building! Literally Ostrich Eggs would dream about GW2 and wake up with sweat all over his GW2 jammies and log on to play GW2 for the next 36 hours pausing only to smoke, guzzle beer, and throw darts at a picture of Noscoc! These guys have retired and the only people left are the ones Arenanet pay and the people that want to be paid! It’s time to make a change! It’s time to add arenas!

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Rangers, like turret Engis, aren’t really picked competitively but they ruin the casual PvP experience! Isn’t that the only thing that matters! Golly gee willikers Ranger daily day is the worst! How much longer must I endure the 1800 range pew pew pew! How much longer must I endure the overpowdered immob stacking elite that roots you in place until the end of time! Nerf plz! Nerf all classes until only Warrior and Elementalist remain!

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The change is done! They will never revert it! If they expand upon it, it will be literally years so don’t get your hopes up! It’s over so there’s no use crying about it! If this came as a surprise for anyone, well this is Anet’s trademark! There’s even a meme for it!

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Smiter's_Boon_

“This skill is considered by most to be the paramount example of a nerf and thus, has given rise to a nickname known as Smiter’s Booning (or simply S-booning) or simply “booned.” (example- “The skill got booned!”) It is most often used when players cry out for the nerf of a particular problematic skill or when a skill has been made so underpowered it becomes unplayable!"

“We recognize that the changes to this skill will essentially remove it from play. In the future, we may consider whether or not there is an incarnation of this skill that would be viable but balanced. For now, we do not expect it to see serious use.”

That was 7 years ago and Smiter’s Boon hasn’t changed! They stopped working on GW1 so it will never change! If you enjoyed playing turrets, just remember that playing a viable rendition of a turret build is but a dream! So sayeth Arenanet, destroyer of builds!

Now excuse me I have to vomit from defending turret Engis! Wahoo! Bye frands!

Turrets got sbooned! This is why Anet should never listen the masses! All they do is whine and moan and wield pitchforks and torches and have no sense of anything because they are bad at the game! Hey we think this build is annoying to fight against so let’s make it worthless in all game modes! Hey this build uses AI and even though unlike other forms of AI they are immobile, can’t receive boons, can’t crit, have really, really, really long cooldowns and make the user completely defenseless and worthless without any extra dodges or weapon swaps, let’s “make it in line with other forms of AI”! #logic

You fudged up Anet and I know this will never get reverted because you guys never revert terrible changes for unknown reasons! Goshdarn it Anet you’ve made me defend turret Engis! TURRET ENGIS! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME!

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Hair Trigger I assume will be integrated into that rifle/speargun trait! Fireforged Trigger RIP but it’s not like it was very good anyway! Maybe they’ll mix in FT cooldown with Juggernaut and EG cooldown with the EG trait that’s coming!

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Jerus.4350:

Once all the new changes are in I’d be curious to see the math as I’d think Celestials power and condi combination may actually perform better than Knights potentially. Though celestial is losing 10% on the stats if I read right.

As for knights being better in PVE… not really at all. Toughness will contribute to you pulling agro, meaning more focus on you. While it does make hits you take less painful, it’s still going to hurt because that’s what PVE is, big hard heavy damage. I’m a bit more of a “throw them in the deep end” kind of guy though, I just think you learn much quicker when you’re punished more harshly for mistakes. Zerk is factually better in PVE, it’s just a matter of whether you can handle it or not.

Well of course zerk is better in PvE! But if you were only going to make one set of armor for both PvE and WvW, I would advise building for WvW! This is because if you build poorly for WvW, you will have a hard time doing anything whereas if you build poorly for PvE, well it doesn’t matter because PvE is such a joke and you can do it with any gear! Also I said knights is better for PvE than celestial! Not the best overall!

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For WvW crafting celestial armor is a waste of time and resources! Knights armor with celestial accessories is best and is better in PvE if you don’t care about nerdy elitists yelling at you to use zerk!

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Josh Davis.6015:

The amulets will be rebalanced to compensate for the loss of stats originally gained from trait lines.

This is probably as good of a place as any to mention that we’ll also be using this opportunity to rebalance PvP’s celestial amulet to be slightly less effective. We’re probably looking at a 10%~ decrease in overall stats, but this number can change as we draw closer to releasing the core specialization changes.

Does this include condition duration!

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Well if it was largely unchanged then you can hardly say it’s been butchered! Still the same old worthless tree might be a better way to put it!

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Grouch and the team we’re counting on you!

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Interesting! You’d think that would be important enough to include on the reddit page but oh well! Still doesn’t change the fact that the Engineer playstyle seems like it will be relatively unchanged! 6/6/0/6/0 Explosives and Alchemy! For PvP anyway!

Also did they mention anything about condi duration! If trait lines are losing stats, where will the missing condi duration come from!

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What am I missing! All I did was skim the notes here!
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/33qrg0/specialization_ama_livestream_notes/

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Didn’t watch the video but I skimmed through the notes and it appears that Engi will basically play the same way! Explosives top dog, everything else garbage tier! What a shame! Assuming runes and sigils don’t change (much) then maybe a 15/30/0/20/25 build for a condi Engi! P/P + Adventurer Runes with the new Incendiary Powder burn duration! Seems good!

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Mister Fluffkin.7358:

ArrDee.2573:

Also Throw Wrench will not remove any conditions off you if thrown in a light field!

This is wrong, it does remove conditions if your wrench hits.

Nope! I tested it a long time ago and tested it again just now!

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For PvE, the stunbreak is good and Acid Bomb is a blast finisher that deals tens of thousands of damage to a target standing still! Acid Bomb is also an okay movement ability! Everything else is pretty meh!

Also Throw Wrench will not remove any conditions off you if thrown in a light field!

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Amadeus.5687:

insanemaniac.2456:

frankly i agree with what vee wee said there and i got to gold rank almost only roaming as engi on low tier :P

Yeah but why do you agree, what are the argument for why it’s better with power instead of condition! You can’t just claim something is better without reasoning it! I’m personal not whatever I think one of them is better then the other, and when are you condition focused and when are you power focused? Is it when you use rifle your power and P/P or P/S you are condition?

Because a power focused celestial build deals comparable damage to someone with berserker stats! Meanwhile a condi focused celestial build deals terrible power damage and terrible condition damage!

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Meh! Judging from Grouch’s comments, these changes are already live on the internal servers so these will probably be the final changes that they release! I guess a discussion on proposed changes was merely just informing us of changes already finalized!

To reiterate what I said before, these changes are awful! “Bringing turrets in line with other forms of AI” is just a flawed concept since in comparison to other forms of AI, turrets cannot crit, cannot move, and leave the Engineers pretty much defenseless without any forms of extra dodge, weapon swap, etc! Turrets needed a change but theses “fixes” are just awful! But oh well! What do I know!

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A build that focuses on Bomb Kit works better with pistol/shield! Shield synergizes very well with all the fields from the Bomb Kit and there’s so much burning from Fire Bomb and Incendiary Powder already that there’s absolutely no need for offhand pistol!

In my experience, a Bomb Kit build absolutely needs Elixir Gun! Unlike grenades where the auto attack can be decent from all the vulnerability and Sharpshooter/Shrapnel bleed stacks you can get, the Bomb Kit auto is absolutely worthless on a condi build! There will be a point where your condi bombs and pistol skills are on cooldown and you’ll obviously want to keep up the pressure! This is where spamming Tranquilizer Dart comes into play! It’s incredibly powerful and provides a stunbreak whereas Rocket Boots does not! With the meta heavily saturated with Fear Me Warriors and Rifle Engis, you’ll be glad you have a stunbreak, especially since you need to be in melee range to make good use of Bomb Kit! Elixir Gun is also good for attacking people at range! Most of the time it’s wiser to stay on the outskirts of a team fight and spam ranged attacks rather than going into the fray and eating cleave! Tranquilizer Dart is a much better option than Fragmentation Shot!

You’ll definitely want to drop Infused Precision and take Short Fuse! Bomb Kit cooldown reduction is really powerful and you also get 10% more condi duration! Your bombs will also apply vulnerability which is an excellent cover condition! You’ll also definitely want Forceful Explosives! That is a key trait in any build that runs Bomb Kit!

Overall, I’d recommend this version!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpPrlcxdLseRSaBNq0AqQIyQulPPhDEAA-TJRHwAV2fIwDAIZZAAnAAA

But honestly with the huge amount of AoE condi clear from shoutbows, Healing Turrets, Virtues of Resolve, etc., I find the usefulness of Balthazar Runes to be questionable! If your burns are constantly being removed before they benefit from the extra burn duration, doesn’t that lessen or even negate the value of extra burn duration? I think so! Therefore I always use Vee Wee patented Adventurer Rune builds! With this version you can keep the 20 point investment in Alchemy but are able to take Protection Injection which is a huge boon vs the insanely common celestial Engineers, turret Engineers, and power Necromancers and still have enough dodges with Energy Sigil! Like so!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpdrlcxPLseRSaBNu0AGROyt85JEgDA-TJRHwA92fIZZAAnAABPAAA

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• Create ranked and unranked 3v3 arenas! You can only play ranked arenas by establishing a team!
• Relegate Stronghold, Courtyard, and conquest to a new queue called Casual!
• Create 5 maps for arenas!
• Create an MMR based team leaderboards for ranked arenas!
• Remove current leaderboards! It will be burned and buried where nobody can find it!
• Make MMR visible as ranks for all teams! Bronze, Silver, Gold, Master
• Reaching a certain MMR will advance your team to the next division! Falling bellow a certain MMR will demote your team!
• Reaching the next division awards gold, PvP exclusive titles, armors, weapons, finishers, etc! You will also be rewarded for staying in a certain division with a minimum game requirement!
• Every month the Master division teams compete against one another for cash/gem prizes in the ESLGo4 whatever tournament on stream!

• Balance the game to where the tankier you are, the less damage you deal and vice versa!
• Balance will stop focusing on conquest and the game will slowly shift to being balanced around 3v3 arenas!
• Balance patches will come out more frequently!

• The Spirit Watch orb will grant a fixed movement speed and replace your weapon and utility slots with its own abilities!
• Remove Skyhammer until it can be fixed!

• Remove daily profession wins! Replace it with defeat x class where x is randomized for everybody!

• Institute free PvP weekends where maybe one weekend per month, anyone can create a free GW2 account that’s restricted to the Heart of the Mists! Characters on these accounts will be unable to send/receive mail, whisper, use the trading post, and receive rewards from PvP! These accounts deactivate once the free weekend is over! Work in progress idea to make this game more popular since the addition of arenas will no doubt surge the PvP population in ways that we can only dream of!

And that’s just to start!

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Respect PvE players? Naaaaaaaah! Also everything you typed is silly! PvP perfect on release? Anet unwilling to cater to PvE players? You’re living in a dream world my frand!

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Bad idea! Modified Ammo benefits power builds more than condition builds since the damage increase doesn’t affect conditions! That and celestial builds are better as power oriented builds! If you want to run Perplexity with condi sigils, it’s better to run full condi armor/weapons! You’ll deal more damage and be more durable!

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You guys are still talking about silly maths! Crazy guys! Just crazy! This can be resolved so easily! Either it’s bugged and who cares because it’s strong enough as is! Anet has a huge list of bugs that turn into features! Or it’s not bugged in which case why the frickfrack are you guys typing in this thread!

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Sabre.8627:

Epidemic will absolutely ruin turret engineers now, I can’t wait. Necromancers will be able to counter them well like they’re supposed to.

…Or you could, you know, fear chain them for 80 million damage because they have no condi clear or stunbreaks!

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This change is silly! Unlike other AI builds, turret builds make the user completely worthless! Hip Shot! Hip Shot! Hip Shot! So mighty! Plus turret Engineers can’t swap weapons and are absolutely worthless off point! It only makes sense that turrets are beefier and stronger than other forms of AI!

I would’ve thought the obvious change would be to have turrets scale with your stats! An Engineer that values damage while sacrificing defense will in turn provide frail, high-powered turrets and vice versa! That way someone that builds to be a bunker can’t deal much damage and someone that builds to be a damage dealer can’t take many hits! But oh well! That logic is wasted on the cele meta which some classes build to be a bunker AND deal decent damage! #Anet!

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If it’s bugged, then add it to the list of bugs that turned into features because Air Sigil does not need any more buffs!
If it’s not bugged, then none of this matters!
That’s all!

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Kolly.9872:

I’d like to propose the idea of removing foods from wvw instead

Can’t really compare pistol/shield to rifle! One is for power builds and the other is for condi!

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What’s your role as a settler Engi! Not sturdy enough to stand on point! Not enough damage to… deal damage! Doesn’t seem like a very effective PvP build!

Anyways shield stopped being a thing because Engis stopped running Grenade Kit/Bomb Kit/stunbreak in favor of Grenade Kit/Tool Kit/stunbreak! Losing Bomb Kit is losing a lot of burn uptime that needed to be remedied through offhand pistol! Burning is how a condi Engi deals damage! With the introduction of Balthazar Runes, shield is kinda ok with the Grenade/Tool Kit/stunbreak loadout because of the long Incendiary Powder burn time but it’s super defensive and not something that I’m personally a fan of!

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FalconBeta.9185:

The objective in stronghold turned from defending a point from someone or capturing a point from someone, to defending NPCs from someone, or Killing NPCs someone is trying to escort. The player Engangement is still there, and giving the reliance on these NPCs and the increased movement, I say its even more engaging than conquest.

I would like the objective for PvP to be PvP and not PvE or standing on point but maybe it’s just me!

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It seems that ultimatums are now being used to try to get people to play competitively! So silly!

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After a few games… pretty angry that this is the game mode they chose to add over arenas! If I want to slay NPCs, I would play PvE!

Also half my attacks are obstructed when the guy is right in front of me! RIP!

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Aktium.9506:

ArrDee.2573:

Condi Necromancer is a burst build and their burst is already absolutely insane even without burning! It’s like you guys didn’t play Guild Warts 2 when Dhuumfire was a thing and Necromancers were 100-0’ing literally everybody! 700 damage burn ticks is a lot different when in a 1000 damage/tick fear chain post nerf + 1000 damage/tick bleeds as opposed to 600 damage burn ticks with a few bleeds and confusion from a condi Engi or (lol) 2000 damage/10 seconds from a cele Engi! I didn’t think that needed explaining but I guess I was wrong!

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Condi Nec never had Blunderbuss/Jump Shot/Prybar on top of condi pressure. Just a combo of two of those skills assuming crits from Int sigil with some additional bleeds and some burning will do more damage than a fear chain of old ever did.

No.. No lol!

Engineers are also totally capable of taking someone 100-0, I would know after Oeggs did it to me and inspired me to change my build and playstyle entirely. That was the first time I ran into slick shoes.

Seems like a Slick Shoes problem and not an Incendiary Powder problem!

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