Guild Wars 2

I really enjoyed this type of gameplay. At the beginning I was just using my full counter and dagger 5 whenever I could but it started forcing me to think about when to use it. I began to really enjoy 1v1 vs thief, which is very strange for me.

A lot of people before that already knew not to attack me with the golden aura thing around me. The animation is not over the top but I doubt anyone will complain that they can’t see it coming. It’s only 1 and a half seconds long so anyone that activates it, deserves it.

It’s definitely one of the more elegant designs even if it does, of course, need tweaks before release like all the rest.

I’ve used mainly dagger/focus and sceptre/focus with lots of different stat set ups and trait lines.

I agree with the rest of you. Cooldowns make it impossible to react properly to things like projectiles. Normally I’d switch to air/earth for my focus abilities but now you have to wait a few seconds by which time you don’t really need those skills anymore/you’re dead. Barrier does not make up for this even when fully traited with dodge-rolls and everything.

On the other hand, I do enjoy the now very complex rotations. I’ve been doing pretty decent damage with fire/air and air/earth abilities with dagger/focus. I’ve been trying to use the fire and earth trait lines but I find I really need fresh air for the third skills on air/fire and air/earth.

Survivability, for me, has strangely become about NEVER using water. Since I haven’t been using the water trait line, when I do use water, my new rotations are destroyed, I can’t get my reflects/blocks up on time and I die screaming. The 3 skills for water aren’t particularly good for the dagger/focus combo anyway.

I’m not sure what to make of the utilities overall. I hate the healing skill. I’ve been using Glyph almost the entire time. Primordial stance is quite good. It’s quite difficult to use fire-fire attunement for the double burn but I usually get it off during my fire-earth or fire-air attunements which turns out ok. The stunbreak/evade is alright but I can’t really get used to using that second to cast it. Stone resonance is forgettable. Barriers really don’t seem like a good way to go for the ele. Unravel has been messing up my rotations so I stopped using it. The elite is probably the best elite the ele has but it’s very difficult to use mid-fight. I usually activate it before I attack anyone.

My only problems with the traits are that the barriers provided for Elemental Refreshment and Invigorating Strikes aren’t much use to me since I can’t seem to use any barriers effectively. It’s only been a couple of hours though so maybe I’ll figure something out.

The traits are good. Some skills are very good and some are very mediocre. Mechanics like barriers and cooldowns are very disappointing. I very much enjoy the third-skill mechanic.

The new HoT maps and their mechanics, for me, have put almost every other map to shame in every way. I do not find them to be too complex or too challenging at all. It’s all just about right. If anything, I’d want to be harder and more confusing.

If I couldn’t raid and glide around killing night bosses and the mouth of mordremoth with my elite specs, collecting things for the achievements and skins along the way, I would only very rarely log in for anything other than the occasional PvP match.

Staff has always been better for dps in PvE.

I’ve been using a slight variation of your build throughout this season and reached mid-diamond with it. So pretty decent.

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In 1v1 I pretty much always win against anything other than druids.

Also, may I recommend tornado if you’re using lightning rod. It might sound bad but it’s great for chasing people off points and splitting up big fights.

99% nerfs. Hardly addressed the major issues. Didn’t touch on Ventari, Jalis or Salvation. Mallyx/Shiro with mace/axe/staff will probably now be the meta.

Not happy.

But really, who didn’t see this coming?

I’ve considered offhand pistol and you’re right, it’d probably be more useful. I just enjoy the protection, block, cc and blast finisher from the shield though.

I’m not sure where I’d put rocket boots. As it stands, I’m fairly weak to conditions without elixirs and alchemy so the purge gyro is quite necessary for longish fights. I need slick shoes for the stunbreak (!) and the cc lockdown and the flamethrower just has more reliable burning.

Rabid does sound like a good option considering all the crit traits I’ve got. How do you think the 900 power loss and the 900 precision gain affect my overall dps?

Thanks for the suggestions.

I haven’t played with my engi in a while and this is the first time I’ve used scrapper. I’ve been having moderate success with this condi/juggernaut build and I was wondering what you guys think.

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“beserker warrior is kicked out from our guild as they blah blah blah too much”

What was the point of saying that at all if you don’t tell us what it was? He could have been standing idly, far from the fight while spamming racist sentiments.

Advice: The best troll posts, in my opinion, make both grammatical and logical sense (ish).

Out of all the elites, I’d say Reaper is one of the most balanced.

No damage for 15 seconds? What on Earth are you talking about?

+1

+ an extra 5 billion

Malediktus.9250:

If it is 500:500 the team with the higher total of personal score wins.

Thanks for clearing that up.

That’s a pretty awful way to decide who wins though. Nonsense, confirmed.

LionChain.7694:

Everyone else, it seems like you guys either have had bad experiences fighting against revs/heralds (and like a lot of the time, you just want to nerf whatever’s kicking your butt at the moment), or you really can’t seem to understand what I’m basically trying to ask for in terms of improvements to the rev class. Am I trying to ask for unlimited healing/condi clear or crazy increased damage? No. I’m trying to ask for more fully-developed functionality to our skills compared to what other classes have available to them, and for a REASONABLE amount of protection from conditions, as power revs currently have pretty limited protection from condis (not talking about mallyx condi revs or bunker revs, talking about power revs).

Shield 5 is overpowered? Invulnerability? Man, tell me what build YOU’RE running because I’ve never been INVULNERABLE as a herald. But I guess you’re right (sarcasm). It’s so OP that our block doesn’t allow us to move, allowing enemy players to swarm us and be ready to cc and bomb us in three seconds, and it’s even more OP that our block can be interrupted by something as simple as as a necro fear mark or a DH spear. And don’t even get me started on that OP heal (again, sarcasm). And yeah, just ignore the fact that compared to other classes’ shield skills, rev shield block does only two things for us AND it has a 25 sec CD and costs a fifth of our energy…totally reasonable..you’re absolutely right, our shield block is more OP than other classes’ shield block, especially chrono (maximum sarcasm).

I mean, you guys want to talk about my suggestions making revs…what was it…the Incredible Hulk? Please…you make me laugh…there are other classes/builds that are so much more OP currently than what I’m suggesting for power revs. You want to talk about OP condi protection? What about tempest? What about signet reapers? What about scrappers? All my suggestions (and I give reasoning behind the suggestions I feel need an explanation) that I’ve given, I’ve made based on what other classes currently have and what power revs currently have. If you can’t see that, then sorry.

I have had no bad experiences against revenants. I currently play power revenant as one of my PvP characters. I can hold my own against viper revs and other condition builds with any profession. Don’t lose your temper just because many of us disagree with your suggestions. There’s no need to pounce on us for it.

The problem is, your suggestions take the buffs way over the top and don’t really deal with the repercussions on condi rev. The nerfs you suggest just don’t cut it. The buffs you suggest would easily outweigh those nerfs. Obviously the standard revenant needs a tiny, weeny bit more condition cleansing but not that much. With the evades, blocks, ranged (with hammer) and all that mobility, you’re not completely defenceless against conditions like you seem to be suggesting.

It’s useless to compare professions. Other professions don’t have a great heal attached to their blocks. Use it right and it IS very good. If you use your heal/block when you have a mountain of conditions on you, that’s 100% your fault. The lack of movement does not affect me at all when I use it. The revenant has a hell of a lot of mobility skills which can be used to disengage fairly well, very quickly.

In my experience, ALL pvp communities on every game are bad.

Everyone is anonymous. There are no consequences for being rude. There are no rewards for being polite. The internet is both a wonderful and a terrible place. I’m afraid you’re just going to have to deal with that or stop doing anything competitive.

What on Earth?…

I appreciate that in this ridiculous condi bombing meta, power revenant gets its face smashed in a lot of the time but you can’t buff any part of the revenant without giving these vipers more to take advantage of.

Stability on EtD… What… What on EARTH are you thinking?

A few days ago, I was in a random match and I knew someone on the other team. The match was a draw; literally 500 to 500 when the match ended. I gained a pip, he lost a pip. Maybe it was because my team got 500 a couple of milliseconds before theirs? I don’t think we’ll ever know.

There have been games where I’ve gained a pip when I lost, lost a pip when I won, remained with the same number of pips when I won or lost.

The moral of the story is: Don’t trust the system. It is not your friend. It’s nonsense.

I don’t mind when people say “GG”. The problem comes when people say:

“GG lol”
“GG eat kitten”
“GG nubs”

Or anything like that. Unfortunately it happens fairly often. Not too much, but enough to make me skeptical that genuine, good sportsmanship exists on the internet.

I just played a game with 6 chronomancers. 4 on my team (I’m not one of them) and 2 on the other team. My team won.

I don’t know much about mesmers so I’m not qualified to say whether or not they’re OP but I just wanted to highlight the fact that there are just getting to be too many of them.

No.

1/10.

Thanks.

Instead of “Victory” for one of my games, it says: “Bye”.

What?

I wonder what their one pug was thinking?

“kitten WHY ISN’T ANYONE DOING ANYTHING kitten kitten kitten IDIOTS. I HATE LEAGUES”

SlayerSixx.5763:

You’ve missed the point entirely. The OP says it started as a joke. If I’m to assume correctly, the test then became an interesting little revelation that shows that even without any damage stats, a revenant’s auto is still more capable than an elementalist’s who sacrificed potential defensive stats for damage BECAUSE of his traits. This says that either elementalist needs a buff (lolnope) or revenant needs a nerf.

I’m willing to wager that even if you take a fully traited burn guard and gave them sword (simply because its auto is the best for generating burn stacks) and replaced the revenant, I doubt the ele would lose more than half of their HP and its widely known what power burn can pack.

I think you’ve missed the point entirely. It may have started as a joke but it hasn’t become a revelation about anything.

There are way too many variables in addition to the actual attacks to say anything conclusively about whether or not any auto attacks should be buffed/nerfed. Unless you can explain away all the inconsistencies with toughness, vitality, power, precision, passive traits, sigils, conditions and boons and prove they had absolutely no effect on the outcome (but of course, they absolutely did), then this little experiment is 100% meaningless. It should remain a mere joke.

There are two options if you want to prove anything here. You can identify exactly what traits were used, when the sigils were activated etc. and then do some maths and calculate exactly what would have happened if none of those things happened (very difficult) or you can do another test, this time without all those horrible variables and see what happens (I recommend this method).

If you insist on including all these variables, it’s a bit pointless to even compare the auto attacks at all. Obviously a lot of the power of the revenant is weighted towards the auto-attacks as opposed to lots of other attacks and a lot of the power for a staff ele is weighted towards things like lava font and meteor shower as opposed to the auto attack. You can’t just drop any two professions in to close combat and limit them to only one attack to check whether or not they’re balanced.

I hope now that someone does actually conduct a fair test. I’m getting curious as to what would happen.

Note: I play both power revenant and staff ele as my two main characters. I hope that gives me a little credibility.

This doesn’t really show us anything.

You didn’t have the same vitality. You didn’t have the same toughness. There were a ton of passive traits on both sides making everything more complicated. Then we’ve got runes and sigils and passive conditions/boons.

If you really want to make a point about one auto compared to another, you have to do it without passive traits, with exactly the same power, vitality, toughness and stuff like that. If you want to purposely give different stats to each character, you’ve got to at least tell us how that would skew the results, e.g. how much does his toughness affect your power?

Have you considered the axe? To me it seems a lot more useful than the sword or shield.

I’m a soloer at sapphire T3 without MMR tanking.

It’s more about patience and persistence than anything else.

I was just about to reach a 50% win rate for all my league games and also get to tier 2 of division 2. Then two of the random people on my team logged off and we were up against a 4 man premade (checked at the end).

Solo queuing is impossible when these kinds of people are in your game.

As a soloQer, I just got my 15 wins done so I’m on level 2 of leagues.

Now I’m going back to unranked. There’s no way I’m going to make it to level 3 anyway. I probably wouldn’t make it to the next tier anytime soon.

Unranked is the best!

I’ve also seen a lot more people just logging out for half the game in the last couple of days in leagues than in the last month of unranked.

Just won a ranked match 500-38.

What are you on about? Apparently all the ESL teams are using condition rev and everyone else has just started with them too. Metabattle (Not that this is the supreme authority) updated either today or yesterday, promoting condition rev to meta and relegating power rev to “Great”. This is for PvP.

For raids, nobody knows.

For dungeons, nobody cares.

For WvW, you just need a hammer.

And why are you testing dps and survivability against a hero point in the silverwastes? That proves almost nothing about anything.

My personal experience is that power rev is better but both power and condition rev are pretty good.

I also run invocation/retribution/herald. Honestly, you can get very decent dps without devastation.

Sorry about what you thought was a personal attack. I just wanted to use your name in a sentence.

You didn’t really answer my questions though. Example:

“Dismantle Fortifications because stability shredding”. This isn’t really an answer. This is just what it does. My question really is: Why do you need this stability shredding as opposed to the other, far superior, options. It’s always nice to see someone flailing around or completely motionless while you do what you want but ultimately, I can’t see how this trait would help you more than the other two.

I don’t understand how your optimal rotation works for you. That taunt has a mere two second duration and while you may get rid of your opponents stability, you’ve also got to account for the stun breaks that are always there. Even if they just waited it out, there’s just no way you can take down any decent build in two seconds. Maybe a glass thief if they’re really bad. Also, if you choose to keep this rotation, add in your Shiro heal before impossible odds for extra burst.

Jalis road: It’s nice for stomps if you wait a couple of seconds to start it but ultimately, it’s just better to be on Shiro for a quickness stomp. If you’re that desperate for stability on stomp, just waste a dodge and you can have both stability and quickness. It’s not that much of a big deal.

Improved Aggression: Is the damage reduction while your opponent is taunted really that good? No. It’s certainly not better than close quarters. Considering you’re using the hammer, it’ll just do more for you in the long run.

As for the eagle runes: If you do the calculations, you’ll find that strength runes are just better. That’s just what the numbers say.

The 50% damage reduction from Jalis elite isn’t that enticing when you remember the energy cost and cast time. If you can use it right, okay but it’s very difficult to find the right moment.

Offhand sword: So the point of putting this in your kitten nal is for the gap closer. The axe has a better one. It has a longer range, a chill, more damage and lower energy cost and cooldown and it’s also unblockable. The only downside when comparing sword 5 and axe 4 is that you lose an interrupt which would barely make a difference if you swapped out your stability desroying trait. Sure, you’re also giving up a block but it’s very worth it.

Eye for an eye: fair enough. I wasn’t really bothered by this trait. I don’t much like the kitten cooldown and I prefer the weakness trait but okay.

I don’t see how this build counters the current meta. The current meta includes a hell of a lot of builds that are super-tanky (druid, scrapper, tempest, revs, reapers etc.), super-evady (daredevils, mesmer, revs and all professions with stealth etc.) and super-conditiony (reaper, reaper, mesmer, scrapper, reaper, guardian, tempest, reaper, reaper and of course the necro). These are all things that are very bad for you. It seems like you need super-glassy two second kills. They do exist but I don’t see how the meta favours you.

Finally, during your matches, people won’t see your build as stupid, useless or bad. They’ll just see that you have some CC like everyone else and you use the impossible odds and auto attack combination like 99% of all other revenants.

“Auto to win build” – I hope you don’t expect to win fights by using mostly the auto attack. Does assassinating players asap mean you’re going for a very offensive build? In that case:

Why Jalis (quite a defensive legend)?

Why the offhand sword?

Why all the defensive traits?

Why Eagle runes?

Why Dismantle Fortifications?

I either don’t understand what you’re trying to do with this build or you haven’t put any serious thought in to it.

I kept thinking I was using it wrong. I don’t know why or how I’d be doing that.

Glad to know it’s not my fault.

You can’t really beat any tanky condition builds if you’re a power rev, especially reapers.

You really just can’t unless they’re incredibly bad.

Nobody’s trolling you.

Energy is incredibly easy to manage. I’m a decent-ish player and I’ve never had any problems with energy at all since the first bwe. I almost never even need to look at my energy bar unless I’m using a high cost upkeep.

I’m not sure why you’re trying to play without another legend. Most of them are, in fact, quite good if you use them correctly.

Why would you want to use your shiro elite and use UA anyway? That’s such a waste of energy and evasion. The auto can do a lot of damage for 0 energy cost, attack multiple enemies without any power loss and you can save UA for when you need to follow a target or evade a powerful attack.

You’re trolling yourself.

Asura (Master race) > charr > sylvari > norn > human (disgusting species).

AWACS.6537:

Welcome to Guild Wars 2

I’d like to amend that to:

Welcome to Earth.

Revenant is already quite balanced.

Almost none of the changes you’ve proposed are a good idea. Everyone, please let this thread die.

I use Glint/Jalis or Glint/Shiro with Invocation, retribution, herald with the extra stability grandmaster.

I can’t remember the last time I had problems against CC.

Adamant.2543:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Step 1: block player
Step 2: …..
Step 3: profit

How insightful. I’ve never thought to do that in a game, ever. That clearly makes toxic players cease to exist for everyone, right?

Eurantien.4632:

Step 4: Get out of hotjoin.
Step 5: Queue unranked.

I am queuing unranked, way to make assumptions though.

People like you two are exactly part of the problem, just pop in and make snarky comments and act like it’s made you superior to the poor noob.

You sound a lot more toxic than they do.

Really the only thing you can do is ignore them. What did you expect anyway, a way to make all humans love each other or just disappear?

I’ve never had any problems in ranked or unranked. That’s because I don’t even look at the chat because I don’t really care what anyone’s saying unless I’m in an organised group (in which case, I’d be using one of the many free voice chat systems).

Buff CoR.

Nerf ranger longbow.

Why? Because people who cry deserve to suffer.

I want a map with lava, random fireballs with trebuchets and a skyhammer. Maybe also a couple of champion monsters and some high cliffs.

I want pandemonium.

You are insane.

Hammer auto is fine. It’s exactly as fast and as strong as it needs to be.

Hammer 2 bugs can be annoying.

Never had any issues with camera for hammer 3 or UA but ok.

Hammer 4 is fine. I find it very useful.

Not really worth casting hammer 5 unless you’re attacking a large group from far away or you’re stopping a res/stomp. I agree. It should be 1.25s cast even if there has to be a delay between the cast and the actual hit.

These threads just invite all the lunatics out to post.

Why would you do this to us?

Anyway…

1. Reaper, Berserker, Tempest
2. Scrapper, Daredevil
3. Herald
4. Dragonhunter, Druid
5. Chronomancer

Come at me.

I just played a game with a reaper who told me that my team only won because rev is overpowered.

1 rev on my team (me). 2 revs on his team. Ultimately, most people just don’t have a clue about anything.