Guild Wars 2

I just don’t get what the shield will bring to the Mesmer.

Mesmer isn’t that “tanky”. Thus, a defensive weapon could come into ones mind when think what to give to the Mesmer.
However:
How “good” could those defensive shield skill ever be? You have to consider, that for going “tank”, a Mesmer would probably take Sword/Shield.
But in my opinion, this means that we would never receive sth like a “full defense”/Block Skill on the shield, since we would have to “almost invulnerable” skills in one weaponset.
In addition, one of the 2 Shield skill is going to be a phantasm skill. So which one will it be? There is already a “shield phantasm”, it’s the phantasmal defender.
Furthermore, illusions disappear if their target dies, which makes them not a really good source for a proper defense (especially regarding pvp).

The next problem is, that Mesmer still has only one melee weapon: Mainhand sword.
So what exactly is the point of the shield, if you still can’t play full melee?

But maybe, they will do with Mesmer shield sth like with Mesmer Greatsword and relate it to a combate style not typical for this kind of weapon.

Meh.

For me, the main impacts are the changes to iLeap, iElasticity and iWarden. But those are more some kind of bug fixes and not buffs. This doesn’t mean they are bad, it only means it’s nothing which should actually be worth so much attention like an own video for them.

The buff to Mindstab is nice but not overwhelming.

The buff to Scepter #1 is a little bit too much for my taste. I’m in general no fan of condi builds, but Torment is in my opinion the worst condition in the game. Giving it to a autoattack seems a little bit over the top.

I also dont like the change too mimic.
The changes a rarely used, but therefore “creative” skill into a far less individual / characteristic skill which probably also wont get used more than the original mimic.

Of course there might be nice combos with mimic + nullfield/arcane thievery, but you wont see them very much since mesmers with 1 stunbreak will probably spend most of the time with waiting to respawn.

The aoe change to mantra of distraction seems very nice, but in my opinion it misses the point. The main issue for interrupt mesmers are mostly the uninterruptable thieves, but the aoe change of the mantra wont to anything to this.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I need to see all the exact changes theyre doing, but holy crap this looks amazing. After 2 years we finally got some love

How can you be that optimistic after 2 years?

Quote:

“For this update, we’re looking at improving multiple traits, utility skills, weapon skills, and illusions. "

Weren’t they also looking at improving iWarden?

Chaos Archangel.5071:

…. OH MY GAWD! SUCK IT THIEVES!

Finally we can steal, i ment copy, back the boons, thieves are “stealing(F1)” from us.

I honestly think, the new mimic is kind of lame. Yes, the old one was rarely used, but at least, it was a “creative” skill. Like Chaos said “dollar store arcance thievery” (btw: who is using arcance thievery a lot?).

I honestly don’t know, what’s the point of the new mimic.
Versus professions which don’t rely much on boons —> useless
Versus profession which rely much on boons --> ok, you now also have those boons. But this won’t weaken your foe, which will also have better ways to maintain his boos / profit from them.

The new mimic is just another skill which relies too much on your foe to fullfill certain requirements in order to be usefull.

More interrupts would be nice, however there is few sense in playing an interrupt build thanks to thieves.

What Mesmer will get:

• nerfs
• nerfs
• nerfs
• nerfs
• nerfs
• nerfs
• nerfs
• nerfs
• nerfs
• and a pretty nice buff … which turns out to be a bug and gets nerfed 1h later

Julie Yann.5379:

EverythingEnds.4261:

The sad thing is, that his threads proof that ANet doesn’t care about the forums.

If he admits several times that he intentionally afks in matches, you should consider banning him from the game. But either Anet doesn’t care, or they don’t read the forums.

Confessing to a crime does not make you guilty of it. I can go tell the cops that I killed my wife but unless they have proof that I actually did I won’t go to jail for murder. Unfotrunate in this case.

Yea, but I’m pretty sure if they wanted, ANet could easily proof him guilty.

Xae Isareth.1364:

I disagree with Healing Surge. I think it’s a very versatile heal which can be used both offensively and defensively, which is great.

Want a huge heal? Save your adrenaline.
Want to pump out more damage/stuns/burns/whatever? Sacrifice some healing to do that.

I have to agree.
Mesmers Ether Feast works pretty much the same way. Its heal increases with the amount of illusions up. It is also the Healing skill most Mesmers use. (This includes Shatter Mesmer)

The sad thing is, that his threads proof that ANet doesn’t care about the forums.

If he admits several times that he intentionally afks in matches, you should consider banning him from the game. But either Anet doesn’t care, or they don’t read the forums.

Svarty.8019:

Indeed. We just had an enormous PvP update with wardrobe and all the trait and trinket flipping JUST (well, mainly) for the PvP guys!

Since the wardrobe is a thing PvP guys mostly profit of, lol sure.

It’s not like there was already a (better) wardrobe in the PvP before the patch.
And of course, all those PvE guys bringing their legendaries into PvP are also a huge benefit to PvP players.

A game mode like this would probably increase a lot of “cheese” stuff.
Bunker enigs will become (even) more popular, since capping a point becomes even more important.
Bunkers in general, or all those “tanky DPS-specs” might also become more popular, since dying in this mode has harder consequences than in normal conquest.

Bunkers might be even more popular, since sth. like 3 bunkers +2 thieves might be very strong.
Send a bunker to every point and let the thieves focus fire an pick out members of the other team. Due to one of your bunkers on every point, enemies wont be able to respawn.

I suppose they are on vacation.
Getting GW2 started in china probably took a lot of work.

But I’m fine with it. The update frequency isn’t any faster wehn they are not on vacation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

“pvp patch”

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

The only sentence which contains the words “pvp” and “patch” and seems realisitc in a context to GW2 is “there wont be a pvp patch”

Spindelhalla.2139:

Do you really think that if these skills weren’t intended to be used like that Anet wouldn’t have ‘fixed’ them already since the game has been out for almost 2 years now?

I’m on your side. However, if you really believe, this is a proper argument, you obviously never have played mesmer…

Almoryk Kane.6085:

Its not a complaint I just believe that these skills should function this way.

If this isn’t even a complaint, why are we talking about this?

There are bazillions of bugs / issues in pvp players ARE complaining about. So maybe we / ANet should focus on those.

And btw.: If I remember right, when you get turned into a moa while stomping, the stomp also wont be cancelled…and ranger pets stomping makes absolutly no sense.

Stopped reading at +50% I neither wanted my eyes, not my brain to get cancer.

Anton.1769:

EverythingEnds.4261:

nicknamenick.2437:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Warr stances are long cooldown also.. And you need to blow more to get the same.. And even then its still possible to remove stability boon

Edit: @ Anton: that’s actually possible. Shattermes can rip boons within a whimp and interrupt you with another shatter.

Sure it’s possible, but you need:
1) be a shatter mesmer
2) have no cd at shatters
3) be near enemie at 240 distance
4) enemie must have stability icon in good for you place at buff line
5)you must see stabilty and don’t fail interrupt into it
6)use interrupt skill (which means it not has cd and your weapon swap has no cd)
7)don’t fail all this and do it in 3 sec

Step 1: start rezzing your teammate
Step 2: see e.g. warrior starting stomp
Step 3: Mirror Images + Mindwrack / Cry of Frustration / Distorion —> remove up to 5 boons almost instant
Step 4: Diversion
^
Without even stopping rezzing your ally.
A good shatter Mes wont fail to do a shattercombo within 3s.
Nevertheless, you are right, that it actually requires some resources.

nicknamenick.2437:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Warr stances are long cooldown also.. And you need to blow more to get the same.. And even then its still possible to remove stability boon

I never said anything about warriors.
In addition:
I don’t know about Elixir S, but Mistform makes you lose a point. In addition, while using Elixir S / Mistform, eles & engis aren’t able to use other skill. Pretty much the opposite to warriors running around on points, hammerswinging, while being immune to everything thanks to 3 stances at the same time.

Reaching an immunity time of 4s with distortion, requires a Mesmer to have illusionary persona (30 pts into illusions-line) and in addition, having 3 illusions up to sacrifice. Using distortion takes away a big part of a Mesmers offensive potential, since they either rely on phantasms, or clones for shatters and also makes them unable to hold a point. Not to mention that Berserker Stance also refills a Warriors Andrenaline and there even increases their offensive potential.

Yes, Elixir S, Mistform and Distortion are better for savestomping than 3 stances, but there are also lot of situations where the stances are better.

Edit: @ Anton: that’s actually possible. Shattermes can rip boons within a whimp and interrupt you with another shatter.

Don’t worry. It’s intended that thieves don’t have to bother with LoS. Or Interrupts. Or Chill.
Since exceptions prove the rules, there has to be one of the 8 professions which can ignore all this stuff.

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Dice Dragon.4326:

So being close to your team is now bad? I did runs last night with my usual group, I ran turrets being lazy we had a guardian, a theif, and two eles. one ele used scepter, but stayed near us cause he knew if I laid down turrets, he was gonna put down a fire field, and we would get 18/21 stacks of might. which make the fight MUCH faster. I find it funny that playing as a team to you is counter intiutive.

You can range a fight without being 1200 units away. Those weapons reward you for being miles away from a fight, if you get downed, harder to rez. you dont get buffs/healing circles/turret buffs all the way over there.

Simple fact of the matter is, the game even before the “stacking” meta because a thing, clearly rewarded you being near friends.

Did you even read my post?
I don’t say being close to your team is bad, I say it is bad that this is possibile.
I’m really happy that GW2 doesn’t have Trinity, however, being able to run a dungeon with a full zerker (aka “DDs”) group, who are fighting in melee range seems pretty bad design.
Yes, teamstacking is great since it allows mightstacking and maximazes aoe boons / heal.
However, the fact that the positions of teammates are decided more by maxing out boons and are rarely boss specific is in my opinion bad.

Hell, why does this game even feature weapon swapping, when you only need to stay in melee? To optimize some skill rotations? It should be more that there are phases where you aren’t able to do melee / ranged damage, or where zerker builds have to into ranged combat since they would die in melee.
Not just “ok, we push the enemy into that corner over there, everbody gets there, lets stack some might and in 10s the boss is dead”.

Bri.8354:

[…] these skills rewards and encourages poor group etiquette, [..]

The only poor thing is, that GW2 pve allows teamstacking in 1 point and fighting melee to be that efficient.

It is not that Greatsword or Longbow enourage poor group etiquette, it is the bad design, which allows your whole group (inclduing “glassy” DDs) to stand togther on one point in melee range of the enemy.

Not Mesmer GS or Ranger LB should be changed, the dungeon design should be changed into no allowing melee cuddleing.

I’d like to add, that since it OS is a launch, it also enables you to launch downed enemies from a point.
This is also another very strong feature of the skill.

Jakkson.4076:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Has been brought up a lot of times, ANet doesn’t want it for some reason.

Why add something that makes total sense? Much better to let the player base get frustrated!

Because of ANet

Is he wearing a pyjama?

Has been brought up a lot of times, ANet doesn’t want it for some reason.

Only watched half of the video.
I think the fight of you vs. guard & thief pretty much showed the problem of your build:
There’s no point of “pointholder-build” if it only can hold a point vs. 1 player.

I appreciate your attempt to make some kind of “bunker mesmer”, but this usually won’t work 1 vs. 2 or sth.

Just think about it:
Why would you need a Spec, which is focused on holding a point 1 vs. 1?
You could also just use another good spec which allows you to win 1 vs 1 fights (and thus lets you keep the point) but therefore also brings other benefits to your team.

This can be really annying, if u are immonbilized and can’t turn.

In addition, I think the list of skills which have to face the enemy and which don’t is not fair at all.
Best example: Grenade kit, where the engi is able to throw nades backwards.

and plz re-add steady weapons.

@Carpboy: as Exosferatu said: for testing. If you are trying / comparing differenc skills / combos / builds, etc. it can be pretty annoying if you always have to wait for a long cd skill to be available again.

I acutally like moa, since it hard counters AI builds. I also don’t think it’s cheap, or poor or anything. If sb decides to run an AI build, he deserves to get moad.

In addition, moa can be very helpfull to quickly clean a bunker from the capture point.
It is also very usefull, if hostile players use morphs like plague, lich, or tornado.

Gw2 pvp reward systems aims at getting PvE players into PvP.
It’s not ment to encourage competitve play.

Go solojoining team Arena.
No Skyhammer, no Spiritwatch, better rewards and the players usally seem to care about winning.

Isn’t official somehow exactly the opposite of “community driven / by the community”?

Next problem “more ways to punish enemies”. Will never happen since ANet obviously wants at least thieves to be immune to any kind of punishment.

Lyssa also did remove condis, which was the main reason why it got used.
However, a removal of aegis and maybe stabi would actually be quite nice…

Yea, buff the other runes, more powercreep plz.

Mesmer:
switch to thief ;D

Phaeton.9582:

Because…. provided you’re solid with positioning/CC, the first 20-30 matches on skyhammer are fun.

Then it becomes very irritating, very very fast.

This.
Skyhammer is fun in the frist few matches.
Until you encounter horrible Matchmaking and all the skyhammer troll specs.

I’m pretty sure, Hammbow also didn’t rise immediatley after the warrior buffs.

Branden Gee.2150:

While we’d love to give you a time and date of when we’re sending out the potato, remember that during the development process we may discover that a baked potato would be even better. So instead of getting the potato of your dreams you end up with something completely unexpected.

I think, without noticing it, you pretty much described what’s wrong with ANet. xD

Every time in the past, when ANet tried to give us the potato of our dreams, we did end up with something completlely unexpected.
But it wasn’t better.

If I say, I want a potato and you are willing to give me one, don’t try to give me what you think, might be even better. Just give me that freakin’ potato.
Don’t try to give me instead some stupid level 5 vegan bullkitten, some bioengeneered tofu-potatoe-replacement.
Just. Give. Me. That. Potato.

gesho.9468:

I should be able to interrupt healing stealth …

Just that almost every thief uses withdraw these days.

I used to run Sword/Sword, however I also switched back to Sword/Pistol.

If the sword block would be usefull vs. backstabs, probably every Mesmer would run /sword.
However, as it isn’t /Pistol just seems better, as the Stun it provides seems better like /swords daze

Dont get confused by the name “counterattack”. Nothing counters a thief.

The solution is not to play Hot Join.

It’s Hot Join, so don’t complain about balance there.

awge.3852:

On top of that, it does nothing to balance the score for the losing team, or to reward players who were auto-swapped into the losing team, who have contributed to their original team’s victory.

I’m pretty sure, autobalanced players still receive the win bonus.

The fact that you can abuse autobalance was introduced when ANet gave players the option to choos the team they want to join. Thus, autobalance itself isn’t the issue.

I totally support this.

But only if they also make also deceptive evasion, illusionists celerity and maybe aswell illusionary persona part of the Mesmers class design.

Valtarius.8671:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w29bKyUnmkE

Some pretty cool stuff, most likely will be patched soon

Lol. “patched soon”.

It’s not like this is in the game for sth like forever.
You don’t see cloned tornades, lichs, or even non-mesmer clones so rare, since situations like this almost never happen.

Huh?
I don’t get it, sry.

Yes it is needed, so you don’t have all of those 4vs2 fights, etc.
If I read your post right, you think autobalance is not needed, since you don’t want your friend te be teamswitched, or what?

Lol, funny.

However, stuff like tornado reflect and Lich refelct are probably rly rare and they also never tried to kill the clonado or the clone-lich.
Probably those die pretty easy.

I like:

Vigil
Peacemaker
Whisperers

I don’t have any issues with 5.
Trying to ninja a NPC is a high risk undertaking, as well as it is high risk if you go for the NPC.

Ninjaing with 1 autoattack is probably pretty rare. Most of the time, you usally try to make the “last” dmg spike which kills the NPC, so you get the kill.

What I also would like to see fixed / explained is sth like “immobilizing players” while dodging.
How is this even possible? Either the player dodges and doesn’t get hit by the immobilize, or he gets immobilized which prevents him from dodging.

Why?

You have 2 weapon sets, and even though I don’t play much PvE, I think most Mesmers use a sword.
So hit them with GS and if they come close switch to sword and kill them.