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Vashtii.1753:

Quaman.9167:

Just gonna copy/paste my post from the necro forum.

Just wanted to share the build thats been working the best for me so far. I call it the Papercut-mancer. Its a bleeding build that can quickly reach 20-30 stacks in only a few seconds, along with all the cover conditions that come from staff and offhand dagger. So far, I haven’t lost a duel or even a 1v2 with this build, and its been getting me more damage on average then terror or signets did. Its also pretty survivable with the 20 second heal and 3 condi transfers. The only thing I needed to watch for is plague sig necros, but even they haven’t been a huge threat so far.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYWjc0Q5NWcD+1A/NWMGsofWAYAQ1EiC1q4dYQ8IC-TpRFABLcIAA4BAkwRAAhTAQK7PceZAA

this build is a lot of fun, really enjoying it. thanks for it!

glad someone likes it =)

I feel like mesmer is the next class that is gonna get rekt by Anet. Sure, rev’s and ele’s are also both broken in their own ways, but there seems to be way more complaints about mesmer around the community. Not to say that I blame anyone, double moa is broken.

Just gonna copy/paste my post from the necro forum.

Just wanted to share the build thats been working the best for me so far. I call it the Papercut-mancer. Its a bleeding build that can quickly reach 20-30 stacks in only a few seconds, along with all the cover conditions that come from staff and offhand dagger. So far, I haven’t lost a duel or even a 1v2 with this build, and its been getting me more damage on average then terror or signets did. Its also pretty survivable with the 20 second heal and 3 condi transfers. The only thing I needed to watch for is plague sig necros, but even they haven’t been a huge threat so far.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYWjc0Q5NWcD+1A/NWMGsofWAYAQ1EiC1q4dYQ8IC-TpRFABLcIAA4BAkwRAAhTAQK7PceZAA

Well naturally when something gets nerfed, the fotm players move on.

Just wanted to share the build thats been working the best for me so far. I call it the Papercut-mancer. Its a bleeding build that can quickly reach 20-30 stacks in only a few seconds, along with all the cover conditions that come from staff and offhand dagger. So far, I haven’t lost a duel or even a 1v2 with this build, and its been getting me more damage on average then terror or signets did. Its also pretty survivable with the 20 second heal and 3 condi transfers. The only thing I needed to watch for is plague sig necros, but even they haven’t been a huge threat so far.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYWjc0Q5NWcD+1A/NWMGsofWAYAQ1EiC1q4dYQ8IC-TpRFABLcIAA4BAkwRAAhTAQK7PceZAA

People can argue that condition builds are broken as much as they want (usually its the same few people making all of these threads), but as long as they are exclusive to 2 or 3 classes, then it isn’t a condi meta. It may seem like it in solo just because mesmer is broken right now, but then again so is power rev, which is just as abundant from my experience so far.

Plenty of classes have good condi builds, but mostly choose power instead (rev, druid, thief, and guardian) because their power build simply works better. I would include warrior, ele, and engi on those classes that prefer power, but I have seen a mix of condi/power warriors and engi’s since the patch, and the meta ele build does so little damage in general that its not worth talking about.

Ridiculous sustain is not limited to condi builds, as we saw last season with scrapper (which is now nerfed), Rev, and Druid.

Don’t get me wrong, burning should be changed back to stacking in duration instead of intensity,merc amulet should be removed or toned down, and chill did do too much, but other than that, poison, torment, bleed, and confusion are fine.

Nerfing those other conditions would just nerf necro even more, which is certainly not needed now, since we don’t have anything else to use (even our heavily nerfed condi build is better than our outclassed and slow power build).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAW7Yjc0Q5NWcD+1A/NOCGK5K8BPN9K2ifNm0BQDA-TpRFABKt/QCPAgzLDAwRAAhDCwCXAAA

Not a new build, nor a power build, but the terrormancer from last year is working great for me so far. I didn’t think it would work initially, but wanderers gives you back the fear duration you miss from not taking fear of death and all the boon corrupt from scepter and CB gives you a ton of chances to remove stab. I take dhuumfire in this build only because it gives another cover condition and since this build takes no extra power, death perception really doesn’t add as much damage.

Reaper could be run over Death magic, but the lack of a good GM trait and the heavily nerfed shroud are making me wonder if its worth giving up the survivability and extra fear DM gives.

I’m having a pretty good time on base terrormancer. It doesn’t seem that bad so far. It could be worse for us, we could be guardians.

I don’t know a way to fit GS in to a terror build, but here is the terror build that got me to legend. I know its not what you may be looking for, but GS is more of a power focused weapon, so it doesn’t really work well with terror.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAW7Ync0Al3g92AG3A0bilgBLKpFAaAxFxlYUk6K8F+VA-TpRFABKt/wCXAAAOIAJ8AAQ4IAceZAA

Most of the meta is power damage, with only necro and mesmer having decent condi builds in pvp. Berserker, at least from my experience in diamond/legend is almost nonexistent and conditions from Engi E-gun hardly do any damage when most of them are running marauder/paladins amulet.

Tanky builds are not limited to condi specs, Scrappers and Revs also have over the top sustain on marauder builds.

I do agree that chill dmg should be changed so that it only does 50% on targets above half HP again, and Anet really should take off the boon corrupt on scepter 1, but considering boon corrupt and conditions are the main things necro is taken to pvp for, it should still be viable, its not like we do much else.

I wouldn’t say reaper is the only balance problem right now. Rev, Scrapper, Double Moa, and Ele are just as broken in different ways right now. To be fair, all of the elite specs need to be toned down, these are just the ones that stick out the most right now.

I do think the boon corrupt should be removed from scepter and chill dmg should be reverted to what it was at the beginning of the expansion, when it only did half its damage on someone above 50% hp. Maybe they could also make chill slow for 33% instead of 66%. Since reaper has low mobility, no team support, a not so great power build, and no way to survive focus, our condi/boon corruption builds should still be viable.

The meta right before the specialization patch was fun. Would have been perfect if Ele wasn’t so broken, and necro/rangers were buffed a bit.

Hey, I was in that match!

Really good game, wasn’t one sided like so many matches lately.

I don’t think the amulet is too broken, maybe they could lower the toughness and vit it gives you. Anet needs to stop removing things instead of nerfing them.

They don’t need to be kept from pvp, they just need to be nerfed down to core classes level.

R O C.6574:

Ok everyone just needs to CHILL out a little bit

ayyyyy

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBmWD7kjGo8Gs3GwvGgeTsEMYUXhpwvKKpFAaAxHxlYUE-TpRAwAdOCAkLDA4gA4d/hPXAAOPAAA

Terror build I like to use in pvp. Certainly not the greatest build, but it comes as a surprise to most people I fight. Fear chaining can 100-0 people very quickly, and spectral wall is useful against thieves, which can give a necro a lot of trouble. This build is very weak to power burst and doesn’t have great sustain, so you want to end fights as fast as possible. My favorite combo is staff 2,3,5, fear wall right behind them so they walk into it, Reaper shroud 2 in to 3. After that what I do depends on how the fight is going. At least this build suits my play style more, so it wont be for everyone.

Im sure some classes will still go for a more tanky build. Necromancer for example does 4k damage to himself by using traited corrupt boon every 26 seconds. With a 10 second Cd when traited, he would be using it way more often, so chances are necro’s are gonna be taking carrion or mercenary so they have more health they can burn through.

If daredevil is playable or shoutbow somehow comes back then reaper wont be picked on every team. If not, then I could easily see every team using one. Idk if they would stack multiple reapers though, considering they are slow and have no team support.

At least boon spam will be toned down when there is a necro in a match.

Boon corruption spam to counter boon spam thats been going on for a while now. Not very skillful, but then again neither will the the extreme burst out of stealth from thieves or Bruiser scrappers possibly running mercenary amulet.

At least it looks like the meta will speed up

CC is a bit crazy right now, but not conditions, there is only 2 decent condi builds in mid-high level pvp right now. Viper Rev and Chillmancer, and even then, only rev really stands up to the crazy amount of evades of bunker mesmer or the heals of cele tempest.

I dont even remember the last time I saw a condi engi or non-cele druid.

Rev does need more changes, and chill dmg could be changed back to what it was when the x-pack came out, but aside from that, its mostly the tempests and bunker chrono’s that need nerfing, so this crazy sustain meta ends.

I feel like A-net should just put Deathly Chill back to what it was when the X-pack first came out.

Maybe instead of buffing terror, they just merge it with Fear of Death and make it a GM trait (replace Parasitic Contagion). If that happened, maybe terrormancer could be a thing again.

Im all for a few needed trait merges, but I hope they don’t give out too many direct buffs next balance patch. Mostly nerfing things next patch (mainly the elite specs and rev) is needed to stop the crazy power creep this game has going on. All just my opinion of course.

im in the same spot, only one pip into final ruby tier and now im scared to lose muh pips O~O

Khainz.6215:

The funny part is Diamond Skin was never considered before, Diamond Skin isn’t OP by itself, the exaggerated condi meta made it strong.

There is no “exaggerated condi meta” that’s just something that these forums seem to always believe exists. There is only 2 working condi builds in higher level play right now and rev is even dropping it in favor of power shiro now since the Mallyx nerfs. Necro is the other build, but they were designed to be good at condi, it’s pretty much all they have over other classes since they are slow and have close to 0 team support along with mediocre dmg on targets above 50% hp on its power build. Other than that the meta is all power builds or builds like cele scrapper that are still 70% power dmg. Now if by condi you meant CC, then yes, the amount of CC in the game right now is pretty crazy, but that includes non-conditions like stun and daze, not just chill.

I think MoC is a fine trait. Some skills could use more of an upgrade from the trait though. Corrupt Boon, for example should either be an instant cast or corrupt all boons when you have the trait. The only 2 skills that seem to be worth the negative affects are CoCo and Poison Cloud. Epidemic and Blood is power need even bigger buffs.

I do think corruption builds can work well though. I’ve been using one in ranked and Im in Ruby so far.

ok, would rather have it unplayable then being so broken its one of the main reasons for an awful meta.

Bunker Chrono created a boring meta where many games didn’t even get to 300 points. Well of precog had a bad initial design and there is really no defending it. I didn’t know there were people who enjoyed a meta like this. Hopefully this nerf is enough to do away with it. Even if there are bunker tempests and druids, I doubt as many
(if many at all) games will go to time limit.

There are still a ton of things that need nerfing on other classes, but this is a great start.
Maybe now, pro league games will reach 500 points.

Give everything except warrior and thief nerfs, so power creep slows down. The other 7 classes need varying degrees of nerfs. Something like DH or reaper, which are not in the meta, are still upgrades from the base class for the most part, and need to be toned down to their base classes level. On the other hand, bunker mes and viper rev need slightly bigger nerfs to their sustain and/or damage.

The main thing on most classes that needs nerfing imo is CC. Its a little crazy right now.
Either way, this bunker/boon spam meta needs to go.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBLhZakjGasxObw4G4vxBuQRTj2IahtZAsAxtOf/AA-TZRHwAC3fIwRAAZZAAnAABPCAA

I ran this build after the specialization patch, when condi necro was in a sad state, and still found amazing success with it, so it should be even better since they buffed up scepter. I know dhuumfire isn’t that good on base necro, but I liked having another cover condition to use while my other skills were on CD. Should win against most other condi builds since you have 3 transfers and CoCo to heal.

So all the top tier players that also think bunker mesmer is completely broken like Oeggs or Nos need to learn to play?

A lot of things need nerfs right now, but builds like bunker mesmer and hybrid rev are at the top of that list.

I still like it. Aside from the bad balance in pvp right now, its still by far my favorite mmo to play.

Thanks a lot! I’m saving to craft the Shadow of Grenth back piece. Only another 100 gold to go it looks like, as long as I only need 1 of the 3 crafting professions on the wiki anyway.

Hi, not sure where else to post this. Anyone level tailor 0-500 recently? I was wondering how much gold it was.

There is also carrion, although that isn’t really a pure condi amulet.

I like this idea. Power creep is a little crazy right now, so it would be nice if Anet just made everything except war and thief a bit weaker.

On my way out right now. Tier 4 so far, but I’ve only played a few hours.

I remember you being a huge DH defender, but maybe I got the wrong guy. Anyway, complaining about 3 classes is pointless because all but 2 classes
(more specifically, their elite specs) are over-tuned right now. Although, I would argue Chrono and Tempest are just as bad as Reaper and DH right now.

Here is the EU pro league meta from last week

Revenant 10 [8 Shiro/Malyx, 2 Shiro/Glynt]
Ele 7
Engi 7
Mesmer 7
Necromancer 5
Ranger 4

Yes, this meta is the worst, and so was the last one, and the one before that, and the one before that, and probably the meta after this.

I know its all opinion based, but every meta has its ups and downs, so there really can be no “worst meta” because everyone has a different idea of what the worst is. Personally, I don’t think this is a great meta, but I like it a lot better than the
DD ele>>>>>>>>everything meta. Even then I’m sure the DD ele’s loved that meta.

Or they could just add a solo queue. Sometimes people simply don’t want to listen, even if you make an effort to communicate. I was on foefire earlier in a game that could have easily been won with a lord kill, which we had more than enough time for, but when I suggested it, everyone just stood on points even though 2 enemies were dead. We couldn’t just stand around because we were 100 points behind and wouldn’t have been able to fight the other teams bunker off the point and cap it before everyone respawned.

I even said we would probably need lord 2 or 3 mins in advance, and still nobody attempted it.

I don’t think cele needs to be removed, but it should be nerfed. Maybe make the stats all 480 instead of 560. Idk if thats exactly what should be done, but this amulet should probably be changed.

Meanwhile other amulets like barbarian and knights never see any use and need buffs.

S- Rev-
A-Scrapper, Tempest, Reaper,Chronomancer
B-Dragon Hunter, Druid
C-DareDevil
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Super F- Berserker

While I do think some classes access to burn still needs to be looked at, along with Deathly chill being changed back to what it used to be (half dmg above 50% health) condi isn’t much of an issue. The only classes that commonly run condi are Rev and Reaper, while everyone else is power or hybrid, of which druid and scrapper still do far more power based damage than condi in their cele builds.

The elite specs, along with rev in general need nerfs as a whole, with the exception of DD and Berserker, including the primarily power based specs like DH and Chrono, so complaining about the only two useful condi builds is pretty pointless.

Some of the people complaining on these forums, although not specifically this thread, even go as far to say that bleed, poison, and torment are just as bad as burn or chill right now. At that point its just a L2P issue, because Torment and Poison are fine, and Bleed needs a damage boost if anything.

Power is instant dmg, while condi isn’t, so if one of the two should be partially countered by a stat, then it should be power. If they were both countered in the same ways, then it would make taking the skills that do damage over time instead of instantly, pointless. I’m fine with weakness and protection affecting condi damage , although anet may as well remove resistance if that happens, or it would be too big of a nerf. People complaining that they should be able to continuously cleanse conditions to the point where it is barely damaging them is like asking for a 20 second endure pain to use against power builds. Conditions are a form of damage just like power and should be just as good, while anyone fighting a condi build should have to know when to cleanse and when to save cleanses just as you would save your blocks or evades for a power builds burst.

Btw, Jon Peters comment was mostly in regards to burning damage. There were as many complaints on the forums about burning damage and insane power burst some classes could pull off the week the June patch came out as there are complaints about pvp leagues now.

yeah, I main reaper and I think its a bit too much right now (then again, so are most of the elite specs). I think the chill trait should be changed back to what it was when the expansion first launched (half dmg when the enemy is above 50% health, normal when below 50%). Maybe even give Shroud 2 a longer CD. Hopefully they don’t go overboard with nerfs again like they did with dhuumfire, where they decided to nerf more then just one op trait or terrormancer where they messed up the curses line and made condi necro garbage for 3 months.

With that in mind, I think regular death shroud could use a buff since its worthless compared to reapers shroud in almost every type of build.

Where is this coming from? I know we get leagues on dec. 1st, but a balance patch? Haven’t heard about that.

Supreme.3164:

Quaman.9167:

Supreme.3164:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Celestial Elementalist traits water magic and equips Signet of Restoration. Sitting in water attunement and doing nothing (not even move or dodge) but auto-attacking, he keeps himself above 90% against a Carrion condition Necro (not Reaper) for a minimum of 8 seconds, possibly longer depending on the Necro’s life force.

It doesn’t even matter what weapon he has equipped.

That is the epitome of brainless and lack of skill. As soon as he starts doing literally anything else, the Necro has a much harder time. And Carrion builds actually have Power.

I’ve said it before, I’ve said it again: the trait needs an overhaul. Keep the anti-condition theme, sure, but make it less of a “win/lose” switch. You either auto-win, or you wasted your grandmaster slot. There is no middle ground with this trait. It needs a redesign to be less extreme and overall more useful. We have the Resistance boon now, so why not use it?

You should at the very least….go read the gw2 wiki before talking about other classes, a little necro tried to make its argument based on me generally calling wells everything on necro….well marks work same as wells, so just got wrong name OH WOW but you…

Saying that ele sit in water to heal..just broke all records on this forum, all you say from now on will be invalidated till the end of time.

I didn’t make any of my argument (which you never had a response to) by pointing out you calling marks wells. I literally put it at the end of my post as a side point. Even if you didn’t make that mistake, you still used a dated build and false information in your argument, which you linked yourself to show how you didn’t know anything about what you were talking about. “Read the gw2 wiki before talking about other classes”- You are setting some impressive records yourself.

Will you stop with the real false information? Just stop talking like condi spam in this game requires any sort of thought….

This message comes from one Team APEX player…do you know Morphy?..I bet you don’t but here the message:

lilz shorty.1879:

If you play against competent reapers, the amount of chill/vunerability they can put on you, while regenerating DS and insane damage, is defenitley the thing people are overlooking.

DH is simply the 100b warrior when gw2 first came out. People don’t know how to play against it and noobs died.

REAPER is beyond dumb.

And just this weekend I was forced to play several times against Car Crashes that guess what they were running… double reaper and after that I only met double reaper 12 times out of 20, other times there were at least one reaper in enemy team…these condi builds are so hard to play…that every team run 2 of them at the same time backed up by some condi hybrid build…sad

P.S don’t worry though..your time in the sun will come soon enough, don’t think that you will keep that chill damage for much longer, enjoy it while you can

The real false information? You tried to argue in one of your last posts that most condi builds apply 4-5 conditions with their auto, you are using dated builds to describe how a class plays now, and you are using your own experience in seeing multiple reapers to argue that they are op. I could just as easily argue that my experience of seeing Zero Counterplay running 2 rev’s or You Back in Time running 2 tempests in last weeks Go4 cup makes them broken. None of them are like D/D ele last meta where nearly every team ran 2.

You talk about facing a team like car crashed and how they use 2 reapers, and yet so far ,from what I’ve seen in the pro league qualifiers, no team runs more than 1. I missed the first series, which car crashed played in, but they got 2-0’d, so if they were running their 2 reapers, then it seems to be going poorly for them so far.

I don’t know where you got the idea that I was arguing about condi builds taking skill, once again gw2 really isn’t a hard game to play. I was merely saying that power builds are just as cheesy, and way more common (6 out of 9 classes meta builds are power or hybrid that favors power), which you seem to agree with considering you never had a response to any of the examples I gave of “spam” power builds.

P.S I don’t expect chill to stay the same, Anet should really put it back to what it was when the expansion came out, it is a bit overtuned, but not broken. Like every elite spec aside from Dare Devil and Berserker, reaper needs slight nerfs. Though I must say, it is nice to finally have a class that functions properly. Aside from those few weeks after dhuumfire came out, up until June, there was really only one competitive necro player (Nos) , and even after that, up until HoT, it was only picked in a few games for the 5th spot on other pvp teams. The funny thing is that it wasn’t even a condi build, It was the hybrid cele signet build that was 80% power damage.

Its clear that we don’t agree with each other, and this thread has gotten so off topic that it may as well be closed.

Supreme.3164:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Celestial Elementalist traits water magic and equips Signet of Restoration. Sitting in water attunement and doing nothing (not even move or dodge) but auto-attacking, he keeps himself above 90% against a Carrion condition Necro (not Reaper) for a minimum of 8 seconds, possibly longer depending on the Necro’s life force.

It doesn’t even matter what weapon he has equipped.

That is the epitome of brainless and lack of skill. As soon as he starts doing literally anything else, the Necro has a much harder time. And Carrion builds actually have Power.

I’ve said it before, I’ve said it again: the trait needs an overhaul. Keep the anti-condition theme, sure, but make it less of a “win/lose” switch. You either auto-win, or you wasted your grandmaster slot. There is no middle ground with this trait. It needs a redesign to be less extreme and overall more useful. We have the Resistance boon now, so why not use it?

You should at the very least….go read the gw2 wiki before talking about other classes, a little necro tried to make its argument based on me generally calling wells everything on necro….well marks work same as wells, so just got wrong name OH WOW but you…

Saying that ele sit in water to heal..just broke all records on this forum, all you say from now on will be invalidated till the end of time.

I didn’t make any of my argument (which you never had a response to) by pointing out you calling marks wells. I literally put it at the end of my post as a side point. Even if you didn’t make that mistake, you still used a dated build and false information in your argument, which you linked yourself to show how you didn’t know anything about what you were talking about. “Read the gw2 wiki before talking about other classes”- You are setting some impressive records yourself.

Pretty great build, might need some small changes (like most of the Elite specs). Hopefully Anet doesn’t ruin condi necro again in the next balance patch, like they did back in June.

I made one with Elites! (minus herald)