Guild Wars 2

Orpheal.8263:

Raithwall.8201:

adapt or get killed. also thief is still very viable for most if not all parts of the game, be it power or condition dd, wvw roamer or as +1 in spvp
also why would you eat a whole power reaper rotation into your face? if you do so you deserve to die. there are near to no as strong telegraphed attacks as in reapershroud

Because it just can naturally sometimes happen in the course of a battle maybe?
We play agaisnt other players you know and not against some braindead predictable NPC A.I. you can already foreseee what they do ages ago, before they actualyl do somethign, due to NPCs attacking also like 1/3rd as fast as a real player does constantly.
Would my Thieves Guild only attack players half as fiercely and fast, like I do, then would everyone and their mum scream immediately here in the forums, how overpowered this skill is, but no, they have a massive delay in time in their auto attacks and by far use not so actively their initiative skills, like a real player could do and thats in the end, what balances this skill out – on the other side of the coin it is against massive condi/cc spam underpowered an they are no great help for you as they deal too less DPS to put a halfway decent chronomancer/reaper under any pressure, unless they are in a real low health state and you can successfully surprise youe foe with them being summon in an inconvinient moment for them.

Reaper can just way too long protect permanently their health through their shrouds.
Seen already lots of them, which were practically able to sustain their shrouds like felt 90% of the whole time, having always enough shroud time there to be protected from any of my burst attacks. This needs to be balanced through lettign them lose the shroud faster and building it up should become slower, so that the shroud gets more used in special situations and can’t be kept up basically mostly permanently in melee combat. They shoudl also like Warrior lose adrenaline lose the shroud out of combat, so that they start at 0 like Warriors do at a start of combat.
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You know, real players can react to what I do and can act also accordingly to force me eating their full rotation? A real shocker right? I surely don’t do this with any intention, or because I do like to eat their rotations, because it makes so much fun to lie dead on the ground…

Adaption would mean going into ranged combat, but with ranged combat (Shortbow) you deal significantly lesser damage, than with D/D or S/P
The problem is all this CC and Condition Spam against which you stand no chance when it comes together both at the same time.

However, the true point here was, which I wanted to point on is, how unbalanced this game is, when it comes down to defensive play styles, because the whole game practically doesn’t support defensive playstyles, its all practically play offensive or GTFO and thats somethign that disturbs me personally, not the fact that I did lose to some Chronomancer/Reaper players just because they were by game design able to easily outplay me at these moments and that Anet hasn’t changed anything on this bad situation in the game for over 2 years now!!

you are playing a thief and complain about being forced to eat dmg skills? ever tried a class that cant chain 7 or more dodges + a stunbreak block on 12s cd + has a stunbreak teleportcondiclear. if you get hit by a necromancers shroudskills as a thief its only your own fault

Menadena.7482:

ProtoGunner.4953:

I am European and I tested it for like 1.5 hours. No problems, only 5.5 hours of sleep though

I had a blast to finally try the Scourge in PvE environment, was a lot of fun!

Was it just me or did the scourge seem awfully squishy in PVE? Maybe it was just my build but I am now rethinking rolling one in 3 weeks.

Friday now so hopefully you Europeans can get some extra sleep today!

played around a bit with a tb scourge never went below 20k life only the dmg department seemed a bit lacking, guess because the mobs had no boons to corrupt

adapt or get killed. also thief is still very viable for most if not all parts of the game, be it power or condition dd, wvw roamer or as +1 in spvp
also why would you eat a whole power reaper rotation into your face? if you do so you deserve to die. there are near to no as strong telegraphed attacks as in reapershroud

Hm ok. But why ugly trenchcoats?

get a thief with at least trickery and DrD with dash + sb, take channeled vigor for heal and shadowstep+ signet of agility and signet of shadows
Enjoy flying over the maps.

ok, make shroud block – but only attacks from the front and shroud cd gets increased to 60 seconds, np

TheNickPrice.8457:

The BEST YET!

Mark my words q quer’s this season is going to be fast paced and action packed the changes anet made were absolutely excellent slight tweaks to classes that needed them but nothing to butcher them! ele q quers I ask one favor from you and that’s to get gud! you can still be a dedicated healer surprise there are other stats that have equivalent healing power as clerics! better yet, instead of making a coffee coming back and using some skills your going to have to be engaged and actually (get this) dodging ! no more facetanking makes bads sad

get rdy for some fast paced pvp folks, Anet did a great job with this patch, you shall see as the meta settles, and for those whom don’t, welp sorry to say you probably never were fully engaged in pvp and relied completely on your builds to carry you sad panda

TLDR: Enjoy the upcoming fast paced, skillful, engaging gameplay to come!

oh and unrelated for that guy whom wont log in, could you try not logging into the forums too? that’d be pretty swell!

If your fast paced and action packed extremely skillful season means teams ful of condition warrs/necros/mesmers spreading cancer all over the mists, i think you’r right.

Sinmir.6504:

I think the Cleric Amulet needed to go, they got rid of Soldier, Soldier made you yourself sustainable but with Cleric people could heal 5 door breakers faster than a trebuchet could damage them. Usually hitting them twice with it is enough, a healer could pretty much negate the trebuchet damage. Magi, well it has vitality instead of toughness and precision instead of power. I can imagine a lot of healers will pay the gold and unlock it. Would like to see it go as well as it has the same healing power as Cleric so could be used to keep enemy NPCs alive pretty much indefinitely. Either that or bring back cleric but nerf the Tempest and Druid healing abilities beyond recognition. Nothing wrong with making them able to heal so that door breakers can survive an extra hit or so from the treb but not much more than that.

If this is about doorbreakers why dont make trebs 1shot them ( or giving them an unremoveable stack – they die at 2 stacks) instead of limiting build variety and purging eles from spvp?

The point is you dont make that much GOLD with Tarir, you make a lot of rares which you will most likely salvage into ectos.
Sell that ectos and you take gold out of the game instead of pumping new gold in (TP fees).
So it might even be working as intended.
It clearly has nothing to do with the rising gold to gem prices.

There will always be some event/map/whatever which yields the most rewards, nerf tarir to the ground and people will farm whatever else gives them the next most rewards.

Ansau.7326:

Guys stop it.

It is not about how much damage I take with a glassy build.
It is not about how good or bad we both are.
It is not about a l2p issue.
It is not about which builds we play or should play.

It is about both running very offensive builds and him doing 4x times more damage in less hits than me, both using highest damage skills available for each class.
It is about he can kill me with 3 hits and I need to land 12-15 hits to do the same.
It is about the burst disparity between professions is at 300-400%

mesmer probably has the highest burst or at least one of the highest bursts ingame. Burst not sustained dmg ofc. But you have to setup your spikes accordingly.
So it IS a l2p issue

Gremix.2514:

I understand your view on having the worth of items devalued after you purchase something.

Consider this:

Anyone who may have purchased the Infinite Continue Coin, possibly with cash, to work towards Tribulation items only to shortly thereafter

• Have an exploit approved that makes the cheaper option to buy Trib runs with gold while simultaneously trivializing the rewarding nature of having those items.

Luckily for some there’s probably some who still value the Infinite Continue Coin that enjoy Tribulation.

For the rest – RIP.

happened and I wasnt mad for a second, i still have the coin and it makes tribulation so much more enjoyable, heck i can do even run tribulation runs sell them and get the gold for the coin back

Maximillian Greil.1965:

Why is his complaint being trivialized? This is ridiculous, he has a point. Agree, or disagree, don’t just tell him “oh think of it another way.” The fact is he spent money on something that he could have gotten later for much less money. Kinda how I feel about heart of thorns… but I digress.

I personally don’t agree with him, but I won’t trivialize his argument.

same thing applies to every sale
btw he could use it for a long time until anet made it possible to buy them with baubles so he had his benefit

yea, a lot of players dont read the forum. also this thread is in the pvp section, so it isnt really a surprise and not really representative

wtf am i even reading…. out of the 6 classes that are considered meta only 2 actually use conditions. and both of them dont stack well.
so condition dmg is clearly not that OP.
just cause YOU cant deal with it, its not broken

warr is unviable against condi and power classes… its clear here the problem is underperforming warrs not overperforming conditions

Fivedawgs.4267:

The same argument can be made towards power/ toughness. If you can block a melee attack whats the point of having toughness?

EDIT: the weakness condi has to be looked at as well

as you say in your edit, in contrary condition damage, power damage doesnt have a ramp up time, it hits you and you are dead or you survive.
you can react to condition damage with cleansing.
blocking is just like another dodged skill

ofc, if you could cleanse everything that gets applied there would be zero use in going condi.

Why would you need a stat to reduce the damage if you can just cleanse it/ dodge the condition applying skills?
(Did you play Aion be4?)

think it any further…
remove the rewards for killing more than 1 octovine and nothing changes… real leechers will just stay at east do 1 burn and afk.
this whole thread just seems like oh im jelly some1 gets more loot for doing more than staying at 1 line and after the octovine is at 5% life go afk/bore around since everyone is there

most guys who rotate want to optimize rewards – and rewards are optimized if you tag all the events AND then succeed the meta
for my part i do the first burn at east – leave to south then and clear the breacher if it isnt dead+kill the mobs, then do 2-3phases at south then go west 1-2 burns and try to get north when everyone is ready for the final burst.
im quite sure that is way more effective and useful for the event than just staying at 1 of the octovines.

Also Anet may have thought something when they didnt block the ways from octovine to octovine during the event.

do you guys have some problems with your eyes? he wasnt in the 3necro queue

hard to blame some1 for afking a lost match
unlike last season there are no rewards for trying, that paired with this matchmaking algorythm which only seems to promote uneven fights makes pvp 100% unenjoyable if you soloq and dont have a really high mmr (so you mostly get paired with the winning team)
i loved the last seasons system which gave you pips even for losing if you fought much better enemy setups. you could learn something there and be rewarded for actually trying to improve.
now its just like: oh my teammates are potatoes, can afk as well
or vice versa: oh, my team is much better – stomps enemy 500 – <100

the problem is that you cannot really farm them and the supply is heavily outmatched by the demand.

also they are much more expensive AND time consuming than the older legendaries.
Take the pistols for an example, you can craft 2 quips for one hope:
Quip HOPE

you just cant really farm them since they only drop from t6 nodes

try against one of that cheesy burnguards…the very second you got no resistance you die to that 20stacks of burn

^The answer is a 100% yes

Alekt.5803:

Raithwall.8201:

wait….
you take an ele with staff. which has one of the worst auto attacks (1200 RANGED). then you stand in front of a revenant. which is using a sword. which is one of if not the best autoattack (MELEE). then theres tons of passives on the revenant which reduce your damage so make it a tanky thing (heavy armor+toughness from amulet+traits like rite of the great dwarf/lifeleech/tons of damage modifiers)
You are nearly ful glass with your marauder amulet….
and you expect a different outcome?
Like really?
btw a revenant in shiro stance will explode on the sight of conditions and if he brings mallyx he is more than vulnerable to cc after the switch. Revenants may be too strong right now but your video proofs nothing of relevance.

I don’t claim anything.

whats the point of the video then? :o
everyone who plays revenant and ele would have known the outcome

wait….
you take an ele with staff. which has one of the worst auto attacks (1200 RANGED). then you stand in front of a revenant. which is using a sword. which is one of if not the best autoattack (MELEE). then theres tons of passives on the revenant which reduce your damage so make it a tanky thing (heavy armor+toughness from amulet+traits like rite of the great dwarf/lifeleech/tons of damage modifiers)
You are nearly ful glass with your marauder amulet….
and you expect a different outcome?
Like really?
btw a revenant in shiro stance will explode on the sight of conditions and if he brings mallyx he is more than vulnerable to cc after the switch. Revenants may be too strong right now but your video proofs nothing of relevance.

Ragion.2831:

How many times have you accidentally used steal on a target that went into stealth almost at the same time.

Maybe 1 time for every 100times i used it for the buffs?

+1
i guess there is a special hell reserved for you balancing team Anet

much easier answer…
there are fewer permanent tonics ingame than batwings(*4)
so there is no point at all in those batwings.
they just are utterly useless
there are around 70ish tonics on the tp while there are around 2200 tattered batwings
low demand(due to the high prices for the tonic, people dont wanna craft nightfury) + high supply of batwings which are not needed = low price

Frosty.5401:

The reason why they are expensive and time consuming is because they GUARANTEE you get a precursor. You pay extra (in both time and gold) for this guarantee in order to avoid having to get the precursor using ordinary methods (Mystic forge/drops).

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

you can just buy the precursor off the tp and have your “guaranteed” precursor.
no need 2 spend more money and time on a “legendary journey”

Shylock.4653:

The Legendary precursor journey should remove the much RNG involved with the Mystic Forge. It should not devalue the precursor, so everything is fine with it. If you could do 3 simple tasks and pay 2 Gold the Legendary would be worth nothing, nobody would want one and every player who has put effort in getting one would be kittened off.

yea, but thats not what the op is complaining about.
the op states that even the first step of the precursor collection costs more gold than the actual precursor (with instant buy)
dont even count in the time you need for the collection.
thats the problem.
the collections may be interesting for the high price precursors like the greatswords/sword/staff/dagger.
but the cheap ones are just ridiculously overprized

yea, please show me all that thief tanks. they seem to be so viable i’ve actually never seen one yet.
you might be able to tank as thief, its just other classes do it better while bringing support to the group

Mallis.4295:

Thieves bring two things to raids.

1) Smoke Fields/Stealth

2)Active mitigation

Now really depending on how “tanking” ends up being in GW2 Daredevil has the potential to be the best tank class in the game through sheer amount of evades and blocks. From what we saw of Vale Guardian during beta that specific fight doesn’t necessitate tanks having high survivability but we might see later bosses that do heavy damage to tanks and have multiple tank killer abilities requiring something like Daredevil/Guard/Rev/Scrapper as a tank.

thiefs dont make good tanks at least for the boss we were shown. evade tanking means you are forced to move around which lowers overall dps (not standing in dmg/combo fields/melees not hitting all their skills)
this against an enrage timer —> no evasion tanking

Maja.6372:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Maja.6372:

Just use Vault and you are fine

Screenshot is from marauder mesmer (21,5k Health) with no debuffs …
from 100% Health -> direct downstate in under 1 second

GG Anet on completly being sadist and promoting oneshotting people

when will there ever be an ingame report option to report such completly overpowered stuff :-(

i crit around 7k max with vault vs other glass people. not sure how you are getting hits for 13k. also why is there no evades in your combat log, is this a joke lol?

unfortunately it was not possible to evade it cause of instant downstate
and no that was not in WvW it was in sPvP running middle after taking Tranquility
like I wrote I am running marauder amulet so no extra toughness sure
maybe the thief had might stacks but still the dmg is unreal no idea what anet is thinking

but to get back on topic
there still should be the old roles for thief
fast decapping of empty points
and turning the tide via dealing high burst dmg in group fights

fighting with no armor equipped and/or running ful dmg stats and having vulnerability +some thief who got a lot of might stacked (revenant buddy maybe)
then dont dodge/just walk out of it/invuln not 1 but 2 very highlited and relatively slow skills (which will cost the thief every almost any initiative he has) is surely some issue with thief damages
xD

also i have never seen a thief dealing this much dmg to me or anyone in my team in over 1k games

^much thanks for those links

Adine.2184:

Its gonna be a bigger gold sink than the federal budget and thats a good thing . If there’s too much gold the inflation goes up and inflation is bad

deflation isnt a good thing either

thrag.9740:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

+7 versatiles, +10 agony infusions. With full ascended you end up at 148 AR. If you want 150 badly, go +12 or 2x +11 on some agony infusions.

Don’t forget that ascended aqua breather.

why? there is no underwater frac which needs 143+agony resistance

Shogun.7401:

Ok thank you. Need a pet for thief????

for spvp might take another thief – combatwise, the pet status is already aquired

as if “regular players” would sell tons of runes.
your average casual will have exotic or some parts ascended and will use the rune himself
even if he sells the runes what would he get with the money?

- skins or a legendary (or if he doesnt already have, ascendeds in which he will wanna place said runes)

Shoe.5821:

-1

It’s a welcome wealth transfer from the wealthiest players to normal players

legendaries should have something special
and if legendary armor cannot swap runes no1 will actually use the armor for being legendary
btw why should it have any negative effect to “normal players” runes would even get cheaper if there is less demand.
so its actually a win for “normal players”
or are you just jealous to people who can actually afford legendaries?

how 2 rework fractals…
give mobs craploads of hp and toughness + nerf rewards
call it a buff to rewards that you nerfed rewards
= reworked

+1
would give the upcoming legendary armor more than a niche purpose

Majic.4801:

So instead of tagging a few mobs at the beginning, running off and getting gold, now we can run in, tag a few mobs at the end and get gold.

I guess that’s progress.

this.
and people who dont wanna upscale events when dead and wp away get punished.
do they even think before pushing in changes?

farming gold and buying one is less time consuming, depending on precursor much cheaper AND doesnt rely on rng too.

bump
same issue…

same problem obviously a bug….what logic would it be to buy 10 world currency for 125 other world currency once a day…
please fix and refund that 100 aurilium, crystals etc

usually everything that isnt forbidden is allowed.
as far as i recall you are allowed to sell legendaries over mail but if the other one scams you, you wont see anything

same problem
Message Body length must at least be 15.

when did they revert the change? :o
/maybe get it with revenant then
thanks for the reply