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It’s a pretty common misconception that the dps meta is revolved around earning quick money when the reality for most people is that doing things optimally is fun and challenging and doesn’t get stale quite as fast as running the same easy paths over and over with no real goal in sight.
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I did a faster one with 45203 with missile deflection actually. I got a tip from a friend and gonna try to do faster before the patch.
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Was just curious to see who, if anyone, still goes for fast lupi solo times. If anyone has any fast times and cares enough, please post here and maybe we can do a compilation of fast kills on different classes like the old days. I’ve seen a few on youtube floating around but I’m sure there are plenty that I haven’t seen. If there is no interest i guess just let the thread die.
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They pay very little attention to the dungeons at all in the game, and 4 dungeons currently have progress-blocking bugs. It’s been a few days. That’s borderline unacceptable for a game of this size with so many employees. Quit kissing kitten because somebody finally posted in this subforum.
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There is a sweet spot, where you’re close enough that he won’t dome but far enough that you won’t push him. Keep practicing and you’ll find it.
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If you aren’t already doing so, try using eviscerate when you feel low on energy. Also camping greatsword makes life alot easier. You have the option to swap at any time for an extra bar of energy and riposte. A constant swapping greatsword/axe rotation actually seems alot tougher on energy.
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You might want to consider taking an economics class at some point.
Literally perfect.
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It’s only lucky because i spend like 10+ hours with kittenty phase 3’s until I get this one :P
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Bumping this before it’s lost forever…
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It really was the best motivation not to down. Literally nothing in this entire game could make me as angry as dying to something stupid and losing 25 stacks.. But it’s been clear for a while that anet loves to discourage efficient gameplay.
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Bone wall still buggy
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Haha this is so kitten true. I’m starting to find this mentality is creeping into high level fractals as well. I play Oceanic time zone so my party options are always limited in the 40+ category but the other night I saw a party advertising zerker only. I play a power tank necro but thought i’d give the party a try as they had been advertising for over 15 mins. They said they’d ‘give me a chance’ LOLZ and we started our lvl 50 run.
Throughout the entire run, the zerkers were going down, over and over and over, while i’m still standing trying to res everyone. Party leader ended up raging and leaving, booting us out.
The next night I decided to just start my own party and promoted that I didn’t care what class you were, as long as you had the AR. The party ended up being, Me (Necro), a ranger, an ele, a thief and a warrior.
We completed the entire run in about an hour without a single issue. We had Swamp, Cliffside, Thermanova and Molten. Seamless.
I guess my point is that for the most part, if a player is good, they’ll be good on any type of toon.
But they’ll be better on a toon with a proper build. Why be good when you can be better? Why not strive for excellence rather than mediocrity? I’m not saying a good build makes someone good, but if you are purposely not using a good build then there is a good chance you just don’t care about your effectiveness.
I didn’t say anything about us not running good or proper builds. For the most part, players who have reached level 50 fractals are running a fairly legitimate build… The unfortunate part is that people are starting to discredit classes and builds because they aren’t zerker warriors. Who’s to say what a ‘proper’ fractals build is anyway…?
Nobody cares about warriors anymore. You’re stuck in cof path 1 days. I haven’t seen any group push the issue of everyone being a warrior for like a year. Also that was never a common thing in fractals either way, most groups wanted alot of guards. Builds are discredited generally because they’re bad. Like cleric guardians for instance.
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Haha this is so kitten true. I’m starting to find this mentality is creeping into high level fractals as well. I play Oceanic time zone so my party options are always limited in the 40+ category but the other night I saw a party advertising zerker only. I play a power tank necro but thought i’d give the party a try as they had been advertising for over 15 mins. They said they’d ‘give me a chance’ LOLZ and we started our lvl 50 run.
Throughout the entire run, the zerkers were going down, over and over and over, while i’m still standing trying to res everyone. Party leader ended up raging and leaving, booting us out.
The next night I decided to just start my own party and promoted that I didn’t care what class you were, as long as you had the AR. The party ended up being, Me (Necro), a ranger, an ele, a thief and a warrior.
We completed the entire run in about an hour without a single issue. We had Swamp, Cliffside, Thermanova and Molten. Seamless.
I guess my point is that for the most part, if a player is good, they’ll be good on any type of toon.
But they’ll be better on a toon with a proper build. Why be good when you can be better? Why not strive for excellence rather than mediocrity? I’m not saying a good build makes someone good, but if you are purposely not using a good build then there is a good chance you just don’t care about your effectiveness.
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If you’ve tried being proactive about this (making no-skip posts) and it hasn’t worked after months of attempts, what exactly do you think we can do for you? Even if this forum wasn’t filled with people who really really like to play efficiently, you would simply be looking for people to agree with you about how much of an outrage this is, right? I guess I can see that, sometimes when I’m kittened about something I just want someone to say they hate it too, but you’ve come to the wrong place for this argument.
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Instabilities seem more like an extra nuisance than extra challenge. They just need to make some piece of content where the punishment for failure is actually failure.
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CoE all paths are pretty easy
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i hate dradge
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Glad to see you’re still at it, nice run.
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So let me get this straight.
1) You joined an AC-selling group and tried to kick the seller to be a troll.
2) The seller had taken precautions against this and kicked you instead.
3) You came here and starting whining about how he is a scammer because he kicked you.That about right?
I feel like you missed something.
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Who cares about the “rules” that were designed by players. This is a kill that shows how fast all his health can be taken from start to finish. People can accept it or call it bull. In the end, a set of player-made rules is not going to convince anyone who has already decided that it is not a legitimate kill. Also, we’ve been using the method of “first damage tick starts the fight” for lupi solos for months.
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In high level fractals, not only will healing power not be optimal but it will be close to useless. A tiny bit more healing won’t help when you’re getting downed in 1-2 hits anyways.
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I think I speak for a good portion of players when I say it isn’t about earning 50% more profit, it’s about doing things as fast as they can be done. I never liked the mentality of purposely slowing myself down, I’m more into trying to be as good of a player as I can be.
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The best this could do is eliminate stacking on a single boss. Unless they intend to make this a regular mechanic for every dungeon boss, in which case a good chunk of the dungeon community may just stop playing for good.
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Guys, bear in mind that Creslin has admitted to not knowing who Lupi is, so they don’t know Arah. Arguing with him/her at this point is like arguing with a child who wants ice cream for dinner. They’re not going to understand the reasons behind certain skips (things like 0 drops from high hp deadly mobs that will respawn almost immediately) and other facts that make them ineligible for this kind of debate. If all he/she has done is AC and this is the conclusion they’ve drawn there is really no reason to keep talking.
And this is of no offense to Creslin, it’s just that I think for their argument to have validity, they need to experience it.
So I’ve done AC, FotM, HotU, TA, and HotW. I’ve never done Arah because it seemed like a pain.
I may not be an “elite dungeon master” but you really don’t have to be to know why people skip things and use cheese tactics like stacking. It’s not rocket science.
Clear percentage is not practical in arah. You would know this if you had ever done it.
Okay fine, it was just a random suggestion. I’m sure there is some other mechanic that would work there…it really doesn’t matter. The point remains regardless of its exact specifications.
Also, I fail to see how I have to be “required” to run every single dungeon path to notice a problem that is RIDICULOUSLY OBVIOUS after running almost ANY dungeon.
Like, if I run Arah will I all of a sudden think that it’s fun to run past most of the stuff in the dungeon and then have everyone sit on one pixel to fight the boss? No, I really don’t think so.
If you still think that every enemy should need to be killed after running arah then you are insane. I can’t imagine even the most hardcore of anti-skippers are willing to spend 6 hours on every arah path they do. And again, if you did arah you would understand this, but if you can show me a video of you “sitting on one pixel” to kill lupi with no effort then I’m sure it would be quite an impressive feat. I am aware that you were exaggerating, but maybe using hyperboles to talk about content that you haven’t even done is a bit ignorant.
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The only way they could stop everyone from running berserker would be to add a new stat combo that was better than berserker (somehow), but that would be almost equivalent to adding a new gear tier altogether. The damage is done.
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What I’ve noticed, is that there is far more running in GW2, than there ever was in GW1
I strongly disagree with this. With the exception of Arah and occasional Fractal/AC P1, I really only see other dungeons being sold few and far-between by friends who did trios or otherwise, less than full parties.
In GW1, off the top of my head, these runs were all sold…
DoA, UW, FoW, Urgoz, Deep, Vloxen, Slavers, SoO, Ooze, Rragar’s, Sepulchre, Kathy, Frostmaw, Oola’s, (etc, EVERY EotN dungeon), EVERY vanquish, EVERY mission HM and NM (title selling), Gate of Desolation runs, Drok runs, desert tours, Ascalon -> ToA/Sanctum Cay… outposts such as Doomlore were almost entirely dedicated to selling.
Yeah I agree, I paid to get ran to nearly every major city (or ran myself and sold the remaining slots) in gw1 whenever I made a new character. This includes ascalon > LA, LA > desert, beacons > droks, droks > grotto, etc. For everything I didn’t want to do, there was someone who would do it for me.
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eh, i don’t really care
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So only having one real viable build per class isn’t broken?
So ANet shouldn’t try to increase the variety of viable builds in a way that isn’t nerfing the one build?
Viable != optimal. Just because zerker gear is optimal doesn’t mean it’s the only set viable.
When I say viable, I mean viable for speed runs. Most people in here seemed to get what I meant so I didn’t see the problem or feel the need to edit my post.
Speed runs imply that you are trying to do the dungeon as fast as it can be done. Doesn’t it make sense that there will only be one viable build? There will always be one build that is best, one that is fastest. No amount of nerfs/buffs will ever make it so that every build will be equal. They may get close with a few, but there will always be a superior option. In this game the superior option is simply to stack as many damage stats/modifiers as possible.
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Why would that be?
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As long as the embers didn’t deal or increase damage dealt (reflections), feel free to use as many as you want.
This is kind of what I meant by foolish. But whatever I don’t really have any interest in pushing records anymore so have at. The rules are being modified around tactics (embers used to be not allowed at all, until it was realized that they make the transition grub significantly easier), which makes rules kinda pointless.
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If there are people willing to provide a service, and people willing and wanting to pay for the service provided, who is anyone else to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to do so? Maybe if it affected you in some way then your complaint might have some validity, but it clearly doesn’t. To say that it shouldn’t be allowed is beyond ludicrous.
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Embers are allowed, I’m pretty sure that’s been well agreed upon. No one uses them except to take the transition grub as a courtesy though. But to say “you can use them for this and not for this” is foolish.
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The thing about healing is that not only are your covering for other player’s lesser performance, but it doesn’t even work. There is no aoe heal build in this game good enough to really keep people alive if they can’t provide their own damage mitigation properly.
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He changes his rotation whenever he wants so you always have to be expecting anything to come next.
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I think it’s the consistency. I like to do one thing and try to master it. That is a less realistic goal in pvp.
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gg dude nice clean run
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This seems a very lucrative farm.
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Try doing all three paths and story again. You may have accidentally left before you got credit for one of them. If you still don’t have the achievement then it is most definitely a bug, regardless of whatever skip you did.
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So lupicus is a joke and “u can afk phase 3” but you still can’t do a solo?
Oh atse, you so funny.
I can do a solo with the regen food, I havent tryed to use it in a solo yet. Last time I got him to 25% with no food , so I assume I could do it with the food.
Oh and said the guy who stacks against the wall to faceroll phase 3. GG
PS: energy sigil+ regen food+ eviscerate spam= infinite endruance if you didnt know . Phase 3 is all about dodging , by spamming evades anybody can do it .
You openly admit that you haven’t completed a solo, yet you are sitting here explaining to someone (who knows full well how to solo lupi) how to solo. Atse where is your brain?
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There are closed minded people in every walk of life why would GW2 be any different?
There is only one type of elitist group in this game, they just don’t realise they are one in the same, yet. The real elitist are those players who think that unless everyone else plays the same way as they do, they are <insert term here>.
The “speed clear” teams and the “anyone but speed clear” groups are just the same thing. Demanding players stick to some arbitrary rule-set they came up with or follow.
The point is that dungeons are one of the only parts of this entire game where you are in a restricted team and you need each member to pitch in equally. If people want to play their own way that’s fine, it just doesn’t make sense to join a team and then act like you’re playing solo and that your build/play doesn’t affect anyone else. The “speed clear” teams usually state quite clearly that they intend to clear the dungeon efficiently, if people don’t want to do so then there are plenty of non speed clear runs they can join.
I personally never have an issue running with inexperienced pugs, but it becomes an issue when they refuse to listen and argue that their way is better simply because they enjoy it more. I wish they understood our side of the argument, that if you want to play just for fun then play the other 90% of the game where it doesn’t matter if your build/playstyle isn’t efficient.
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Everyone is DPS. There are no other roles in this game.
Or you can be a “staff guardian” and act like the in game equivalent of a flowerpot, useless, just standing in the corner of a room.
I might actually post “No-Guardians” on my lfg.. at this point I’d rather have condition necromancers..
You really don’t know what a guardian can do then. It is unfortunate for you that you’ve been paired with guardians that want to see big numbers rather excel at what they do best.
When i play guardian things I can personally guarantee;
No one will ever get one shotted by crusher
No one will ever fall during uncategorized fractal
No one will ever get poison blossomed to death/knocked down/dumped on in twilight.
No grawl will get through on fire shaman
no one will ever have more than 2 conditions for 10 seconds
stacking will work 90% of the time
everyone will have 12 stack of might/10 vulnerability when you need dps
bosses will be blind on their major attackThese are just what comes to mind. A good guardian won’t do much damage, but that is not their purpose. A good guardian can pretty much ensure no one ever dies unnecessarily. To list lfg-no guardians- is the most asinine thing to say. No other profession can bring this much to the table in one build with adjusting traits according to the environment.
The irony of this post is incredible.
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The quote states that berserker gear is the best and is necessary, not that it should be a starting point.
I’m not sure how to be more clear here.
Sometimes it seems that you seek out hostility.
By quoting you to support what I just said? :/
ok.
Sorry, I misunderstood that part of your post thinking that your comment was directed at me. Perhaps I am the one who seeks hostility.
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The quote states that berserker gear is the best and is necessary, not that it should be a starting point.
I’m not sure how to be more clear here.
Sometimes it seems that you seek out hostility.
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Explain to them kindly why berserker is the best gear, why it is necessary…
This is where you lost me and most of the dungeon players out there. YOU are the problem, not people that kick the inexperienced players. Berserker gear can be very good, but only if used properly. To someone that’s learning the game mechanics for the first time, berserker gear is a nail in the coffin. You give them the mindset of “well, if I can’t spike it down, I guess I can’t kill it”. Don’t spread that foolish message…
The quote states that berserker gear is the best and is necessary, not that it should be a starting point. While I agree that a new player would maybe be better served starting off with a set of knights armor, the quote remains true and is a valuable lesson that they should be working towards being able to survive with proper rotation of damage mitigation/evades and not with tankier gear.
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Carrying aka contributing. Yes, I know I’m feeding a troll.
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I found using the 5% of precision is converted to vitality trait for thieves in the second trait line to be very useful since it would allow me to survive a frenzied blast from phase 2.
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