Guild Wars 2

Zacchary.6183:

Teamkiller.4315:

You must be an awful awful thief to say that. You’ve never heard of stunbreakers or cleanse (on stealth) have you.

Lol! You are one to talk. Not every thief uses stealth because not every thief needs it.

I already know about cleanse and sb. What you probably didn’t understand was that I was talking about CC in 1vMany, not 1v1. Aside from it being more common, 1vM is different from 1v1 because if CC is chained, you are kittened 97% of the time. It’s happened to me multiple times and any person who I saw in the same situation. They would get caught, enemies would attack, they would break out, get caught again, lather, rinse, repeat. That’s the thing, CC can be lethal in steady doses regardless of the amount of stun breakers you have.

Yes, there is stealth cleanse but not everyone uses or specs for stealth (like me). And if you were wondering why I don’t, it is because of instances where people like you and Sebrent blow up a forum using inconsistent arguments to prove your points. That aside, I think it would be better for the baddies if I gave them no room for excuses rather then using the thief’s “flavour” builds so that once I do kill them that the only one they can blame is themselves. That’s just me.

Yes there are stunbreakers but not everyone stockpiles on it. In 1v1, having 1 stunbreaker on-hand is sufficient enough to keep yourself from dying. In fact I never use them in 1v1 because its almost never a problem for me (minus Engi and their net turret). Although in 1vM, I tend to die faster when CC starts getting chained on me.

Again, I would completely agree with you in 1v1 combat but it gets trickier when more are involved especially if multiples are targeting you. CC can and will kitten you over in steady doses. It is the whole point of it… control.

I didn’t say you had to use stealth. It was in parentheses. You have other ways to cleanse.

Basically TL;DR, sorry, uh, stunbreakers and cleanses, ever heard of them? If you keep arguing that CC’ing a thief = instant thief dead I’d like to see you take a hammer warrior and beat MY thief with it. Otherwise, I maintain you are an awful thief.

Zacchary.6183:

Did you know that the moment the Thief gets CCed its game over? I have seen it every time as a thief and against other thieves. Its amazing what constant cripple can do.

You must be an awful awful thief to say that. You’ve never heard of stunbreakers or cleanse (on stealth) have you.

Condition engineers; get soldier runes, pure of voice, lemongrass poultry soup
S/D thief; spam your autoattack, dodge larcenous strike, try to be frugal with boon usage.

Autoattack has no cooldown and does pretty high dps when you consider our other skills on all the weapons. Why is it I see so many guardians not autoattacking except with maybe staff or scepter. Really now -_-. In duels a lot of guardians simply wait around doing absolutely nothing for their #2 skill on the hammer or greatsword…

D/D is really fun. But D/P is superior, both for dueling and for small scale support.

pop SyG beforehand or better yet, stand on hallowed ground.

Dear JQ

I was the agg guardian you killed inside the molvekan delve. Thank you for all the salutes!

Vortex.3712:

as a fellow i thief i feel like the reason why people say thief are op is not because of back stab or stealth but heart seeker strike being able to be spammed…as a thief i feel like we do not need to spam HS for our dps so i think raising the initiative cost will stop a majority of the whining. what do you guys think i don’t want the skill to be changed like its function because i need that for my d/p build but i also think i don’t need to spam that skill. Thoughts?..

No

Spamming HS on a full health target does less dps than an autoattack and wastes all of your initiative. It’s not OP at all, in fact it’s a really really daft thing to do. Your opponent is likely to win if you do that.

Now, if you’re spamming HS on a target that is low, that’s a good thing to do. It’s a smart thing to do, it doesn’t take much skill no, but you know what, that’s the thief’s strength, skirmishing. It doesn’t take much skill for a guardian to press 6 7 8 or whatever your keybinds are and condition cleanse and boon all his allies, while proccing a massive amount of Altruistic healing healing (not a typo). You just have to know when and where to do it.

Heartseeker is hardly OP, haven’t seen or heard anyone complain about it in months

Hubal.8571:

For me personally if there was a way of for example sacrificing 30% of power to gain 30% of health i would take it, because it fits more my idea of guardian, but I can imagine for others this would be absolutely
unacceptable.

You are correct, I find that notion very unacceptable.

Excalibur.9748:

Honestly, I’d rather steal better skills.

As of right now the only ones I sorta like are

1) Ele’s chill
2) Necro’s fear
3) Warrior’s whirling axe (though hate it sometimes cuz you can’t cancel it once started)
4) Thief’s invisibility
5) Mesmer’s all-buff

For the other 3, I have no idea what they are and what they really do…

6) Guardian 4 second daze
7) Engineer inflict random condition
8) Ranger regeneration/condition cure tree

Doomdesire.9365:

Azraeel.1238:

And your point is? Thieves should be in the market all day stealing apples? Poor Tybalt, won’t like his apples stolen!

Everytime I use steal 2G from your inventory is automatically transferred to mine?

I would be the most feared guy on the battlefield. Zergs would run from me

Lmao could you imagine a thief vs thief duel -_-.

Every single meteor on meteor shower was a separate blast finisher, and what increase to cooldown/cast time would justify this kind of buff?

Of course, a more realistic buff is a 20% chance of blast finisher on it with a minor cooldown/cast time increase, or meteor shower time decrease…

Naranek.3467:

YYou* are trying to promote your vision of what the class “should” be

Uh, you nee to read that post he just made above.

If you have actually read the previous posts, you have seen that there are those who are trying to contradict this overall game design and telling players that guardians are only good for supporting. If you are supporting that argument that guardians are only good for support, then you are contradicting yourself in your reply to me. You said " No class has to be x, it’s just that some are much better at it than others." This is also not about “style”. Its about what is efficient. Killing stuff fast is efficient. Staying alive is also efficient, but you don’t have to sacrifice the ability to kill stuff fast to stay alive. In fact, guardians are likely the most survivable class without having to spend any trait points in survival…solely due to class mechanics. That alone frees guards up to gear/trait more for dps.

Here, I’ll highlight some points:

Its about what is efficient. Killing stuff fast is efficient. Staying alive is also efficient, but you don’t HAVE to sacrifice the ability to kill stuff fast to stay alive.

In fact, guardians are likely the most survivable class without having to spend any trait points in survival…solely due to class mechanics. That alone FREES guards UP to gear/trait more for dps.

I see him telling you what our class CAN do, not imposing his vision of what the class should do like you say

You really don’t have the option of taking much of ANYTHING as a full zerker thief. You have to play offensively with that kind of a build.

It sounds like honestly the warriors were glass, as was the thief, and I mean glassy as can be. 14k killshot on a 0/0/30/30/10 build, 10k whirling, and 16k+ from 3 unloads all points to this, so with you build you could probably drop them with two backstabs. Maybe more for the warrior since they have higher HP and stuff but still…

Azraeel.1238:

Very nice video mate, my guardian is full bunker, and I never do PvP/WvW on him, but now I feel tempted to try lol. I’m interested to know though, have you tried fighting a Necromancer 1 on 1?

You can kill most necromancers with a standard bunker build. Bring condition removal.

Rennoko.5731:

Props for not running full PVT

Full PVT is awful for duels, even for eles. There’s no kind of sustain involved. But yeah, most duels feature players running a lot of damage, usually somewhere in the range of 60-100% crit damage since sustain duels require you to bring a lot of offensive power to actually END the duels given the sustain. Even then…I’ve dueled glass cannon eles and guardians (I am a guardian myself built for dps) that ended in draws.

Doomdesire.9365:

I’m sure you could probably land a 35K one given that you use full zerker ascended, a might stacking build via signets, bloodlust, force, and impact sigils(after using basilik) on a low level, naked warrior with frenzy.

You could land a 50k.

Fuzzion.2504:

Teamkiller.4315:

Aeonblade.8709:

I’d love to see how DB can match up to say BG and JQ, but I have a feeling we won’t be liking the match up by the end of next week hahaha.

No

Buuuuuut you could check out the SoS vs FA and TC score. FA and TC hate each other a lot however SoS is still doing pretty kitten well for being T4.

Dragonbandwagon couldnt match up to JQ. Wishful thinking though.

Someone sounds like they have a grudge against RE

whistles

Aeonblade.8709:

I’d love to see how DB can match up to say BG and JQ, but I have a feeling we won’t be liking the match up by the end of next week hahaha.

No

Buuuuuut you could check out the SoS vs FA and TC score. FA and TC hate each other a lot however SoS is still doing pretty kitten well for being T4.

has someone already posted a link to the stealth disruptor trap? If not, use a stealth disruptor trap. 30s revealed, if you have any number of competent players that should be a dead thief not wasting people’s time.

Good duels at the south camp today! Thanks for coming everyone, I wish we could have another but it’s already Thursday and we’re not likely to all be in the same tier anymore.

Stormbluff Isle you guys need to work on getting here on time! I didn’t see a single stormbluff till an hour after we started :P

docbon.3486:

i’ll head over there on my necro in a sec.

Haha were you the first SBI that came that I fought twice?

We’re currently having duels at the Windmill at SBI BL! Come! Omen, Agg, CAMP, iLL are all here! No SBI have showed up yet so far though.

I’m the agg guardian in human t3, if you see me gimme a wave!

robocafaz.9017:

Efface.8460:

First decent vid I’ve seen in months…No editing out your face getting graped…No huffin and puffin….straight soldiering, and going back for seconds

I hate those kinds of videos that conveniently cut out right when things take a turn for the worse. I’ve got a lot of wipes and deaths on my YouTube channel. The way I see it, if you don’t acknowledge your failures how will you learn from your mistakes?

I have a lot of respect for you.

jaycatano.6738:

virtue.7235:

Thanks for the fun duels
tricare and the other VR guys that were there
was a lot of fun!
sorry i couldint stick around longer

Quick question, why didnt your other members want to duel? just learning? and yea, fun fights, wish the one with the guard and me wouldve ended but… didnt work out lol. maybe next time

They don’t have dueling specs, that’s why. I was the only one in the group apart from serane that does, and I was the guardian that dueled your ele for FIFTEEN STRAIGHT MINUTES -_- and your engineer later on.

That maguuma mesmer from swag that was dueling our ele in T3, hey there! Shout out to you, too bad we kept on getting interrupted. I was the guardian from agg pretty much standing guard and helping out with the 3 interruptions we had.

Tricare.2946:

Come on, everyone talks about how awesome they are but are unwilling to show up to for fights at the windmill.

We’re here we’re here!

MERV.6420:

I have been playing, well trying to play pvp on my guardian and the last 5 times I sat down to do so held down alt F4 because I was so angry with how things were turning out. guardian needs to be improved in a lot of areas to match up with all the rangers and thieves and necromancers that have an easy time killing the guardian in a matter of seconds It literally took a thief one hit to kill me made no sense and this has happened a bunch of times the necromancers and rangers that have an easy time killing guardian use lots of condition control and summoning. what I was starting to think was that pvp wont be fun if its unfair for certain classes

Ummmmm…learn to play…?

generalraccoon.3857:

lol, just joking mind u. I am usually against nerfing anything (because… god forbid.. they might nerf my favourite classes next! :O ) i’d rather see buffs

Maplestory used to be buffs only…now look at it…so bad

Pretty soon people are going to be saying they can do LEET damage.

Oh wait…

Bagonbrand vs Baguuma vs Stormbag Isle.

Les goooo!

Calvin.5380:

Teamkiller.4315:

Calvin.5380:

On a different note, DORPs went down faster than PYRO. Is PYRO the best guild in Maguuma?

Both are good guilds. Paralda has stated before he just like to kitten talk and approves of it on both sides, hence the kitten talk from PYRO…don’t let it get to you. As far as kitten goes, I haven’t really seen much kitten talk from them, and they are good opponents as well.

And you always have to realize that there are human beings behind those online names. They live breathe eat, and hopefully don’t make guild wars their life :P, just like you.

Try harder, trolololol!!

;)

Calvin.5380:

On a different note, DORPs went down faster than PYRO. Is PYRO the best guild in Maguuma?

Both are good guilds. Paralda has stated before he just like to kitten talk and approves of it on both sides, hence the kitten talk from PYRO…don’t let it get to you. As far as kitten goes, I haven’t really seen much kitten talk from them, and they are good opponents as well.

And you always have to realize that there are human beings behind those online names. They live breathe eat, and hopefully don’t make guild wars their life :P, just like you.

ActionCat.4162:

shagworth.5017:

Slomoshun.6317:

15-20 of us proceed to beat on gate at Redbriar
50-60+ Mag roll up and we live a lot longer than we should have
Mag starts a /laugh taunt

Just so you know Mag, each time you /laugh after wiping a group when you have triple numbers you kill a puppy.

If it makes you feel any better, I spent an hour or so watching my fellow Maguumans get wiped up by equal numbers. It seems a month or so of PvDing against weak servers has made a good portion of my comrades lazy, supercilious and terrible at open field combat.

I felt on the opposite end today, as myself, being from dragonbrand, am use to fighting in open combat much of the time, especially in the last 5 weeks vs TC and FA. It felt weird today attacking Woodhaven on Magumas borderland, and whilst they put up a hell of a fight, eventually after exhausting supply and siege we broke down the gate with PvDoor… lots… of pvdoor….. uhgggg

kitten good fight though!

Oh my god that was the most ridiculous tower cap I’ve ever been in. I feel like I lost a few IQ points after participating. I admittedly had to stop playing and akittenside the tower for about an hour after it occurred.

You may think i’m kidding but I’m not.

FinalPatriot.8034:

On a separate note, I ran into a full zerker GS Guardian last night who just tore through my small group like we weren’t even a threat. I’ve never really leveled a Guardian beyond the 30’s so I know little about them but he really made us look like total fools.

Might have been stunningstyles yup

HEY GAIZ

Would anyone here be interested in a fight club sometime this week? We only have one week with each other so let’s make it count!

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

MrForz.1953:

Excalibur.9748:

In a couple of seconds you strip all their boons, and you get all their boons. Then you lay the smack down.

Oh, right, boons, almost forgot. Isn’t it remotely possible for a Guardian to show resistance to this? Even through blocks and CC? (Most likely CC) The only experiences I’ve ever had from Sword users were laughable at best. It’s… intriguing. Suppose it must be a real joy to dismantle boon based bunkers bit by bit.

Meditation Guardians will eat Thieves for breakfast.

No. No they won’t, lol. Meditation guardians may do well against S/D, but you gotta remember that the thief, quite like us, have a weapon swap. And if they’re in for some dueling, it’s gonna be D/P, where you’re gonna need your boons.

Blankverse.4927:

Teamkiller.4315:

Brave thieves, who know how to play, will probably say: groups of 4-5 non-upleveled palyers who let one single thief kill them are noobs, kittens and desperately need some lessons how to play.

I would agree…

Not a thief main, even, only play thief for spvp. Guardian main. Ranger secondary. If you get killed by one thief as a group of 4 to 5 players, you’re not very good players…putting it really politely.

I won’t argue with that. But the fact remains: thieves are able to do it, i see it everyday, ever seen a necro or engineer doing it?

Not a necro, but an engineer, yes. Mesmers can also do it, as well as guardians and warriors. Eles can too, i know someone personally who can. Can’t speak for rangers but BM is an extremely strong dueling build. Granted, these must all be against fairly incompetent players on average. There are youtube videos i can link you to.

Mesmer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br5Il-d3Ox8
Warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHgkx2w4LrY
Guardian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgYhGde9Qmc
Ele
http://www.youtube.com/user/daphoenix555?feature=watch

As a horrible – really absolutely horrible – thief i still can get dozens of kills everyday without any problems. Something is definitely wrong.

They excel at roaming.

Gellor.6497:

D|ERP

The | is bothering me. What’s that there for?

Brave thieves, who know how to play, will probably say: groups of 4-5 non-upleveled palyers who let one single thief kill them are noobs, kittens and desperately need some lessons how to play.

I would agree…

Not a thief main, even, only play thief for spvp. Guardian main. Ranger secondary. If you get killed by one thief as a group of 4 to 5 players, you’re not very good players…putting it really politely.

Master of Timespace.2548:

My rifle warrior once landed a nice 3×20k+ in a Stonemist fight. That build is pretty practical as well, and I suggest more people try it out.

I’m leveling a warrior, as it so happens!

Master of Timespace.2548:

Teamkiller.4315:

Master of Timespace.2548:

MrForz.1953:

Excalibur.9748:

In a couple of seconds you strip all their boons, and you get all their boons. Then you lay the smack down.

Oh, right, boons, almost forgot. Isn’t it remotely possible for a Guardian to show resistance to this? Even through blocks and CC?

Flanking Strike is unblockable. Do you even play the kitten game?

Flanking strike is not unblockable, do you?

Stop splitting hairs, smart kitten . The second attack in the chain is the only thing that’s important, and that’s unblockable.

Oh, of course, he was asking a question about a profession and a specific spec he may or may not play, and you insult him by asking if he plays the game. It doesn’t feel very good the other way around, does it now?

There are many ways for a guardian to deal with S/D thieves in a duel. Sadly, it’s nearly impossible for a guardian to win a 1v2 against a decent S/D thief and another decent player. For example, if he’s in sword/dagger, the guardian just refrains from using shouts other than SyG. When he switches to D/P, it’s safe to use shouts again, for 10 seconds at the very least. You could also run a not-so-boon dependent spec. Meditations, for instance.

Master of Timespace.2548:

MrForz.1953:

Excalibur.9748:

In a couple of seconds you strip all their boons, and you get all their boons. Then you lay the smack down.

Oh, right, boons, almost forgot. Isn’t it remotely possible for a Guardian to show resistance to this? Even through blocks and CC?

Flanking Strike is unblockable. Do you even play the kitten game?

Flanking strike is not unblockable, do you?

Recently I found a thread where someone was asking for the highest backstab ever landed. Well, I met a thief while roaming today and we decided to test out damage. So I went and got a level two, stripped her of all her armor, and had him backstab me with a zerker signet build. He was running around 100% critical damage and maybe 10 something stacks of might with 25 stacks of bloodlust when this occured. 3600 attack as well. He used assassin’s signet.

Signet of malice would have boosted that number by quite a bit, as well as more might stacks, seeing as how the max that can be reached is 25. (I asked him to bring some warriors/guardians for might stacking from his guild but it didn’t work out). Additionally, a warrior using frenzy would take 25% more damage, so the number could theoretically be boosted to around the 45k range. Finally, I’ve seen that 122% critical damage is possible and he was not running ascended (or even exotic, I believe) trinkets. So, it’s probably possible to get a backstab near 50k.

With pre patch frenzy and pre patch assassin’s signet you could potentially see a backstab in the range of 70k, but this is again all theorycrafting. And of course, as always, bunnies will take millions of damage from backstabs.

Is this practical? No, I recommend no thief run this build, because it is absolutely awful. Please don’t, and if you find yourself compelled to for some reason and follow through on it, try roaming with it for a bit. You may change your opinion the hard way.

Amurond.4590:

Teamkiller.4315:

Well to be fair, the last guy did only say how bad he thought SOME solo roamers in DB are, which isn’t even most and definitely not all.

Yeah dude, I’m not silly enough to generalise to an entire server. I’m sure there are a bunch of baddies on SBI too. I’d include myself against certain professions as I said.

But there have been some terribad ones tonight and most of them have been NNK.

NNK is a PvE guild.

http://gw2.guildex.org/view-guild/2751

Well to be fair, the last guy did only say how bad he thought SOME solo roamers in DB are, which isn’t even most and definitely not all.

Thanks for the fights Maguuma! It was fun!

The Brawl after the GvG was epic! Thanks for showing up PYRO.

Mubarizun.6435:

YO! SBI! We magummers were trying to help you at Mendons by trebbing the DB wall down lol. We decided to help you push DB out of Mendons and you just turn and zerg our trebs down on the hill

What sort of witchcraft is this? Squire, ready my horse!

Kaga.7629:

saiyr.3071:

Teamkiller.4315:

That reminds me of this hilarious GvG between BP and iLL from some time ago. DB and Maguuma do have some cow meat between them. Oh, and the GvG was a wash, BP supposedly brought 35 against iLL’s 25 or something.

I also really appreciated the music from this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGdZxGy6enw

Too bad BP is afraid to GvG again, I would really love to be proven wrong about them.

Wtf drama necromancy. [Bp] didn’t want to gvg, they wanted to rofflestomp suckers that would accept a gvg from them. So for a 25v25 they rolled in with 200 guys. They sent 35+ guys on first rush before the actual fight start time ( which was regulated by server time, since we’re all synched to it), removed all the stacks , killed spectators…

AND YET we gave them the benefit of the doubt. And then they pull the same kitten, going in advance of the agreed time, with more people than the matchup was supposed to be. They also had the video all ready and edited before the night was over. Notice how the comments got disabled when commenters started calling them out on their bullkitten, or like that time some guy in their own gchat was going all “lol that was more than 25”.

All [bp] proved on that day is that their word is not to be trusted, and that yes, they DO need more people to do anything. On top of acting like punks.

I dunno, but from my point of view it was hilarious. The music in the video made it even funnier.

bhagwad.4281:

Travlane.5948:

if ur a warrior/guardian u can just run by and ignore them…granted ur in the right build/good player. i just ignore them usually. even on my necro i just drop marks and stuff usually does it. the foolish thing to do is fight a good 1 v 1 class when ur not a good 1 v 1 class. just keep it moving.

I feel every class should be able to spec for 1v1s or teamfights as they choose.

They can. All classes have dueling specs. Granted, some are better than others.

Off the top of my head, I can tell you that Phantasm Mesmer is the strongest dueling build, followed by BM ranger and HGH engi. At least, that’s for sPvP.

Come to Dragonbrand!!!!!!

That reminds me of this hilarious GvG between BP and iLL from some time ago. DB and Maguuma do have some cow meat between them. Oh, and the GvG was a wash, BP supposedly brought 35 against iLL’s 25 or something.

I also really appreciated the music from this