Has anyone fully leveled a crafting profession without buying any materials? Is this viable?
You’ll out-level the ideal drops-range way before you get even half a stack of them.
Meaning it would literally take you weeks to hand-collect every material you’ll need for every range for just 1 single profession. All for some items you’ll be lucky to resell for 5 silver. …yeah have fun with that.
Actually, it takes you to the exchange section, where you can exchange your gems for gold, or your gold for gems. And “pay to win” doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.
Pay to win, is, and always meant: BUYING POWER.
It’s always meant that. It NEVER exclusively meant a single Weapon or Item that no one else could ever earn from playing the game normally and could only be gained with real money. That red herring argument was created by game marketers themselves as a defense for every other variation of BUYING POWER. Don’t recite it here. It’s a fabrication.
I’ve played pay-to-win games, and I know what they are. You’re stating that any game with any sort of in-game cash shop is pay-to-win, and that is dishonest.
No I’m not, and don’t put words in my mouth please. Want examples? Most of Valve’s official games for starters, esp the ones that end in a ‘2’
Actually, it takes you to the exchange section, where you can exchange your gems for gold, or your gold for gems. And “pay to win” doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.
Pay to win, is, and always meant: BUYING POWER.
It’s always meant that. It NEVER exclusively meant a single Weapon or Item that no one else could ever earn from playing the game normally and could only be gained with real money. That red herring argument was created by game marketers themselves as a defense for every other variation of BUYING POWER. Don’t recite it here. It’s a fabrication.
Good luck in your future endeavors! Can I have your stuff? ;D
If i like Archeage as much as i hope i will gladly give you my stuff.
Bad news, I’ve been reading a lot of Archeage comments and one comparison keeps coming up again and again and again……
Guildwars2 :p
….nevermind the fact that A.A. seems to have even more darn furries in it than this game had. And we aaall know the saying about what they do to “everything”….
….Or they Outscource that work. That’s actually the industry standard. But keep in mind they must also make all the “Wrapping” for marketing of those items, IE: living story assets too. Basically do what all the old morning cartoon shows did that were made solely to sell toys and cereal.
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geez, when I say it that way, it sounds way more innocent and nostalgic than it should >:P
My concern about the gemstore…. is the “new improved Capitalism” of game design as outlined last week by ExtraCredits. That the Developers look way more frequently at the Metrics and Datamining of players who buy from the Gemstore, and only look at the metrics of “poor players” when there’s some overlap between the two.
This applies particularly heavily to Holiday events as the OP brought up, but also things like WvW, Pve story & group content, and even which weapon, class, & skill types should receive the most Artist Resources or balance tweaking.
This is why you only see them come to the Forums to justify a decision they already made. They don’t need your input. If you contribute a lot of money to the game, they already have your input in datamining form. And if you’re not a rich kid, then good luck having your voice heard. They already have tons of IRL friends nagging at them about every possible issue under the sun as it is. Why would they play the live server or come to the forums to hear even more of that when it doesn’t immediately serve their most profitable Demographic?
Forget the UI. …look at kittening SILK. It just took another huge jump.
You wanna talk about living in a bubble and ignoring the average player…. This is a “pain point” that apparently not even the forums are aware of b/c I haven’t seen 1 peep about it here in Speculator land. If I had the ability to magically summon Mr. Smith like you folks do, I’d ask him about that instead. Not this silly user interface rebuild.
Hell, I think If I was only allowed to say one thing to them, it would be THANK YOU for making it more cumbersome for flippers to flip stuff. I know it won’t actually last, but it was a nice effort to trip up all these out-of-touch Privilege hoggers
Both of them just took another huge leap in price.
….and here I had a tiny shred of hope that Anet would recognize this was a growing issue and include some relief in this patch. I don’t know wt* I was thinking.
Guys chill, this stupid thing is going to be nerfed sooner then you realize, since Anet staff are actually trying out the PVP games with guilds.
Conquest mode has no bearing whatsoever on the balance of the other 98% of the game that everyone else plays. Just because it’s the only mode their Balance team wants to play, doesn’t mean it should decide how the rest of the game plays. Rangers will continue to be shunned by real Guilds and a very rare sight among the Gold and Silver competing Servers.
a long range skill that hits this hard is kittened. Make a ranger melee skill that hits hard for sure, but at a distance – pure stupidity.
Man – hope you never played DaOC back in the day… You want to talk about range, play a runemaster. Mofo’s had range for miles
Anyway – let us make it fair then, huh? Let us remove range all together. Would that make you happy? We can all run around in town cloths and tin foil hats and play patty cake.
LOL so true. So Kittening true….
Fun fact for MMO newbs: DaoC was were the term “nerf” originated from because after Archers got downtuned, they described their bows as shooting Foam Darts like the popular toy at the time, instead of Longbow Arrows.
I think they unlocked them for everyone, because I don’t have HoM unlocks and I suddenly have the black moa and black widow.
As someone who had to devote a year to unlocking both…. I find this news troubling
@ the op: you basically can’t do it in a reasonable time frame without owning all 3 chapters which means playing all the way through all 3 chapters too. Or approximately 80 missions and a bunch more farming.
Does the OP mean WvW? ….b/c we’ve know for ages that it’s not an issue in Conquest >.>
EDIT: wait he specifically said wvw after that…. okay this is only a bait thread… if I could delete my own post here I would. Don’t feed this thread folks
Rumors have GW2 hired a monetization manager, who previously worked for Nexon.
And the fact that Nexon has just bought controlling interest in NCsofts stocks at the time had nothing to do with that? …..have you ever heard the StockHolder term “protecting one’s interests”???
No …. E.C. specifically turned away from GW2 during the big lead up to the hype year of 2012, and has shunned Anet ever since. It’s really weird since both fanbases used to be the “SJW’s” of game design. There’s no telling what exact incident took place, but it’s probably something James saw first hand that told him there was trouble on the way.
Or maybe it was b/c of NcSoft… hard to say.
Either way, I don’t even need to dabble in your question of “what whales can buy”.
You know exactly how much they can buy. Don’t act so incredulous.
There doesn’t need to be much to begin with since we’re not talking about every commodity in the game. We’re not even looking at 1/10th of every commodity in the game. Trying to do so would actually be highly counter-productive for the marketeers. That’s not where wealth inflation happens anyway…. Hint: It only happens to commodities supplied purely by R.N.G rolls that can quickly have their supply outstripped by hardcore-demand and thing like GEMS where there is never a risk of deflation.
The issue is that previous post had to be stated regardless because the propaganda school of thought among all Oligarchy-economists has been to claim that a rising tide lifts all ships. No it does not. Only the very wealthy can afford damask right now. Again, a miniscule portion of the economy but one that most players can no longer participate in.
Gw2 is definitely Whale-based in their design decisions. Living story has been one long cleverly disguised cash-shop advertisement after another. Hence why E.C. did not give it any nods but instead listed 6 other companies as doing much better jobs with it (including SOE who used to be the “bad guys” 10 years ago). Any parts of Anet’s current designs that aren’t Whale-centered, such as “Skill” balance, are instead 100% Conquest based (based purely on the pvp minigame that’s roughly as popular as Codex was, and somehow less “deep” than Costume brawl). …which sounds like a massive contradiction but somehow it’s exactly what nearly all skill balance patches in the last 2 years has pointed directly to.
People should stop complaining and speak with their feet. No seriously … if you don’t like the business model, just move on because it’s the only method that truly sends a message to Anet and the industry that the model isn’t what players want.
You got the phrase wrong. We vote with our wallets. We can “stay here” and voice whatever we want for as long as we want and there’s nothing you can point to in a logic argument that removes that reality because access to the forum was Buy-to-Play.
There is not an excess of currency at all levels of the spectrum….
Inflation is a macroeconomic concept that describes changes in the general prices for goods and services in an economy. If there is inflation, the value of 1 unit of currency is decreasing. If there is deflation, the value of 1 unit of currency increases.
Generally speaking, inflation occurs for two broad reasons: (1) excess currency allows consumers to bid up the general price levels (demand driven) and (2) increased production costs drive up general price levels (supply driven).
You forgot the 3rd reason as outlined by Thomas Piketty: Extreme growing Disparity and manipulation. Wealth does not trickle down to the filthy casual. They just watch it roll away miles ahead of them until they are no longer participating in said economy (or the game itself) at which point it becomes completely untethered from Supply&Demand itself. It’s actually the natural process of the wealthy getting wealthier and losing all sense of what it ever felt like to “struggle” financially.
This has been exposed as well in WOW’s and EVE’s economies with equally “run away” inflation. IE: the market drives the market. Power players fix prices. Price fixing and other shenanigans has been with the U.S. citizen since the days of the Continental Confederation.
Does Zomorro think I have years to keep getting the mats needed to try for clovers? Don’t know how many batches of ten of stuff I’ve blown and not one clover yet.
I wish I had your problem…. I smelted like 200 ectoes away into the mystic toilet trying to get Materials. I didn’t even CARE what kind I got. All I wanted was materials. Instead I ended up with like 90 clovers I’ll never use b/c I don’t ever plan to make a legendary … (atleast not until they make precursors buildable like Moa Chick was)
I also find it incredibly stupid that in the time it took me to save up that many ectos, I could now just work a minimum wage job and cash-shop the gold to buy a legendary if I wanted one. WTF happened to the exchange rate in this game? It shoulda capped at 5g. Anet doesn’t understand what a “fantasy economy” should look like and it’s really broken all immersion the game could have had.
tried farming the ettins in souther Shiver peaks too. Too much health to be efficient and stolen supply bags were giving way more leather than linen. Booooooo
Cloth in general needs an overhaul. We NEVER had issues generating more of it when we needed to in Gw1 b/c the most basic level dropped like gangbusters from Undead and also salvaged from waaaay more types of gear PLUS Trophy Drops. (DUST too)
Encounter encounters encounters. GW2 doesn’t have a Story problem. It doesn’t have a Feature problem. It doesn’t have a lack of goals or “achievements”….. as of this last “Feature update” it’s got an Achieve-Ception problem now. Achievements for getting achievements for getting achievements. Who’s idea was that when the most frequent request from everyone was the content to gradually build a Precursor? Nope, instead it’s all a ton of little mini-pieces of pointless fluff added where all that was needed instead was a return to good old strong ENEMY ENOUNTERS and Artificial-intelligence.
There’s nothing in the dungeons even remotely similar to the old Stone Summit armies or Orrion Undead armies or the Menzies hordes or everyone’s favorite “Underworld”… And the combat’s even more 1 dimensional. Interrupts don’t matter. Bosses just ignore status effects and conditions. Every mob feels exactly the same unless it causes knockdowns. There no “Kill Order”. There’s no A.I., only places you stack up and auto-attack from with Might buff Spam. No one is responsible for the wellfare of anyone else in their party nor do they have the abilities to keep anyone else alive once the reflect wall is on recharge. It’s not actually even “Dungeons”. They’re DPS mazes with an occasional annoying puzzle tossed in and not the thinking kinds of puzzles like the old Vabbi mission /w Magrid the Sly
Most instant deaths are completely arbitrary and random feeling. Usually caused by bad telegraphing, NO telegraphing, or being permanently knocked-down. There’s no quick plentiful “little attacks” from big bosses, just a rope skipping minigame of “dodge the 1-shot”.
But worst of all…. Most paths just have no replayability to them. B/c again: the encounters are so 1 dimensional. So people just run the shortest path each day like they’re getting a rub&tug out of the way. Gw1 wasn’t like that. It had real dungeons where real teams of real players mattered. Not 4 warriors and their 1 support kitten
I can count …. 2 matchups I can remember, that didn’t go south into lopsided-ville in 2 days or less. 2 matchups out of all the WvW I ever did that was riveting for more than a weekend and “mattered”.
And I know why. It’s the same reason nothing we do in PvE matters either. It’s a themepark where player activity is only meant to guide an outcome for an hour at best. Every single thing is designed to be incredibly short lived …. not take a whole week to still be decided. And they don’t seem to think this is the core problem. Maybe it was never on their list of problems to begin with, hence why nothing’s changed in either game mode….
You can not buy ascended gear, you craft if and it is accountbound. There are also boxes dropping with ascended gear and weapons, but during the 2 years i played, it dropped 3 of them and two was gear i could not use and are still in my bank.
There is also drops inside of Fractals, but that is about it. So check your info before you start rant like that
This guy’s the one who said it: (quote=4352415;sirian.4981:)
It probably isn’t gear, but if you are really worried, spend a day Ktraining EOTM and you will have full ascended armor.
That’s why I asked, I wouldn’t even know where to begin to look to find that info myself so I needed the right “terms” to look up so I could check it. What are the actual rewards then??
All I know is…. My guild moved off my server to TC and now I can’t play with them even if I had just bought the gems for an outright transfer. It shows full nomatter what time of day it is. Every single server shows “very high” which I think is very untruthful and frankly impossible. Atleast for WvW representation. I sincerely feel like I’m being intentionally lied to when I click on the transfer button …it’s statistically impossible for that to be a representation of actual WvW capacity for each server
Basically you run around EOTM in a giant group killing NPCs. If all goes well the other team does the same. It nets a lot of karma which will get you geared quickly. Just follow the blue commander tag and you are good.
It can be disrupted if one team decides they want to fight, but that rarely happens.
what?? Are you serious? You PVD to buy Ascended???
Please tell me this is an exaggeration. There’s no possible way the game or the community could get this stupid this fast. If so, why do I gotta buy 300 silk scraps everytime I wanna craft my own bolts of damask (and then repeat that 5 times for every piece)
During the April feature patch preview, they put the most controversial changes in some of the very last blog posts before it hit. Here’s hoping history won’t repeat itself.
how very astute …. and mostly likely the occams razor in this case
this is what a tiny adjustment to adrenaline turns into???
Wow, I’d hate to see what would happen if your Disengages & Condition shedding ever got touched. Infact, I’d love to see the reactions of any GW2 warriors who were forced to play a Gw1 warrior which had neither condition shedding, nor instant teleports. …oddly enough, that’s exactly what I found so entertaining about mine in the long term and the reason it was my 2nd most played class for 6 years straight (next to Monk). :p
I outlined that your continuous stubborn and rather harsh replies to several people stating that the ranger changes had already been posted by addressing your series of posts as a troll attempt, If i had known how oblivious you were to the current amount of avaliable information i would have treated you nicer.
But you don’t get to decide this. You’re not the Arbiter of who should and should not be insulted here to “make a point”. You don’t GET to tell people they’re stupid, trolls, OR incoherent. No one gets to do that here, and you need to come to terms with it and address their actual points. The reason I know you’re actually the “new one” here is that you would already know this protocol if you were watching their community discussions predating Beta closely and the reasons they shifted away from Fan-site-only discussions in the first place. They did not want people “poising the well” or escalating arguments like this in the first place b/c it just led to virtiol on both sides that always ended up eventually being directed right at Anet in even more personal attacks and hurtful comments about how bad they were at their own game.
If you actually support the Developers and their “new direction”, then this is a fact you need to accept and adjust to by taking more time in compiling your replies. Reconsider them a couple times and make sure you’re talking about all of the things Ranger can and cannot do. But mostly, stop attacking the messenger who might agree with a lot of the other things you think the ranger may be good at. If you can’t do that, then maybe the moderators will need to get involved to help you
I think he is the new resident troll for this sub forum
1> that’s personal attack that is against the Forum T.O.S.
2> I’m not “new” to Guildwars or the community. You must be the new one if you’ve never noticed my contributions. I’ve been here since GW Guru was the only real discussion forum. I started playing in April 2005 and only took vacations when Anet was screwing up. (been taking a LOT of vacations from it lately). I’m more surprised you never noticed me on CD, b/c I sure remember watching you play on there a few times when that was my home server….
3> address the actual point. This franchise may have started out focused on the 4v4 or 6v6 tiny arena formats that the studio named itself after. But all of us have had to make adjustments over time as technology meets a much larger potential. Arena games were something we all did because the technology just wasn’t there to support any other format. It’s time to move on. This includes their balancing team. The Ranger was left behind and calling anyone who doesn’t find Arena “fun” anymore “QQ’ers” or bad at the game…. is ignoring the big picture here and just living in the past. Move on. Adapt. Don’t tell people who-expect-better for Ranger to adapt when you’re not willing to adapt yourselves. Try not to yell in all Caps either, it’s just as bad as calling calm rational people “trolls” and makes you look desperate. Use proof as your exclamation plz.
….But once you scale down to spvp or wvw roaming….
once you scale down to spvp or wvw roaming….. you’re no longer actually playing Guildwars2.
You’re playing a stupid minigame that most of the people who rolled Rangers were not interested in. If they were, then you’d see just as many of them doing it as you see Thieves & Eles in that role. Representation matters here, Pal. If something is too ineffective or too much of a PITA to do, people will use the easier method (IE: War / guardian / Mes for all the other actual content that Guildwars2 is actually known for)
The ones who didn’t roll a different class for it? …. rolled a different game.
…like Mobas. Players who had their hearts set on playing ranger, play those 5v5’s instead
They’re not called Archers, you’re thinking of a different game.
Even in Guildwars1, Rangers did WAY more DPS with melee, such as Daggers & Necro Touch skills. (b/c Expertise existed, which you newbs all now know as “Initiative” …IE: the rangers strongest DPS characteristic, was stolen by Thieves)
That’s from July 30th…. 2 weeks ago. Are you guys even reading the same page???
I swear everytime I come here, it’s like talking to people who only play Ranger in their imaginations and couldn’t even begin to understand why the vast majority of players quit playing it in the first place….
Don’t get me wrong… those are some cute little buffs I guess, Sic’em & the might-stacking especially. But it’s not the same thing. It’s not a new segment and it did not focus on “base functionality and responsiveness.”. IE: stuff affecting the mainhand sword
There’s 8 professions, so its unlikely that Ranger will get the spotlight again until the next balance….feature….expansion…..bloat…..patch…whatever anet calls it now. And if the sword was going to change, they probably would have said something about it 2 weeks ago. That’s why people brought up the previous stream where Rangers were featured.
The only way we’ll see rangers featured again before september 9th is if the feature pack has some new skills, weapons, pets….anything for the Ranger, and considering Anet’s record of adding new stuff to the game, not likely to happen.
Ah well there ya go, there’s an answer that finally makes sense. Thank you.
As someone who mainly does dungeons/fractals:
No, Ranger isn’t worth getting into.
You’re pigeonholed into one build, and you have to use1H Sword and Greatsword, and in rare occasions you switch one of those weapon sets with a Longbow if range is required.
Ditto to this^ ….almost everyone who was ever good at the game, this was their consensus. If you don’t ever care about being good or useful to anyone else. Go ahead and keep leveling it since you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference anyway.
If you acknowledge what I’m saying is correct, I’ll let you have some stuff. You want some Deld Ingots? Used up all the Ectos but I’ve got some herbs and other stuff. (no Precursors … that crap’s for shutins)
That’s from July 30th…. 2 weeks ago. Are you guys even reading the same page???
I swear everytime I come here, it’s like talking to people who only play Ranger in their imaginations and couldn’t even begin to understand why the vast majority of players quit playing it in the first place….
Don’t get me wrong… those are some cute little buffs I guess, Sic’em & the might-stacking especially. But it’s not the same thing. It’s not a new segment and it did not focus on “base functionality and responsiveness.”. IE: stuff affecting the mainhand sword
