Welcome to our match-up thread, Crazy. Didn’t expect to see a post from OBS NA in here since we won’t be playing Devona’s Rest in Bronze League Crystal Desert for a couple weeks.
You’re right. Some of what he said does seem just tossed out there. Did you know that 80% of statistics are made up on the spot? Still, he makes a good point. When the populations are lopsided (bet Yak’s didn’t expect this kind of turnout either), there’s only so far skill can go in a game so heavily based on numbers.
@ilr You made a post earlier on about keeping spirit, but that last one doesn’t seem too spirited. I’m not sure if you’re Yak’s or BP. Doesn’t matter. Try to keep that level head. I’d rather read the stuff you’ve been posting that I can agree with than the internet fist fights of those forum warriors who say the same things every match-up thread.
Since apparently everyone has a problem with my signature, and apparently there is some rule where you have to be part of a particular matchup to post in it. I am, and have been on EBay for the last several weeks to get away from the horrible matchups that CD has had lately and to play with some of my old friends from DR that transferred there. Back to my other post about assumptions though, they really make you look like a moron.
wow
…for someone who launches into the good old Ad Hominems as quickly as you do, ya sure seem to take it rough when someone else makes fun of your signature
I guess I don’t even need to go into details now… but I just gotta know …. “Asanine”?? was that even necessary for me when I spent most of the post voicing support for those new determined players who beat us? …seeeee this is the other reason I’m losing interest in this match. When we give people some opposition after things have already gone south for us, it just doesn’t ever feel like they appreciate it either. You’d rather be PvD’ing? Wouldn’t you??
No one was in the JP when our entire BL was turned red yesterday….
No one could even get out of Citadel b/c most sides were completely camped by YB’s desperate for Achievements themselves. Borlis had a QUEUE to get in yet There was only 40 of us, all trapped together in Citadel and not a soul out Roaming. Right outside every portal, looked something like this:
If you are talking about Lowlands fight, I have to say that one of the best fights i have had in wvw. You guys put up a great fight ^^
The Lowlands fight was pretty epic. I think that is the longest continuous battle I have ever been part of. Five or six times I thought “oh we’ve lost it”, but then we’d push you folks back to the stairs long enough to res a few or get a nice timely war banner and it would be game on again. Getting people up to the vista finally turned the tide for you I think. Good fight.
I agree it was epic…. though it also obviously made me rage quit.
Here’s why: I was up at a 5:1 KDR in it and I’m just a Clerics Monk and 10:1 on assists. Some of my Guildmates were at 10-1 KDR’s and a couple over 15-1 KDR. I’m happy it worked out for YB’s PvE newbies as well as their recent transfer-ees. Those guys need victories too. If Dying 10x in a row for nothing was fun, everyone would still be doing Tequatl right now. But here’s the issue: When we see numbers like that constantly flowing in to every last thing we try to defend, And TAKING IT ANYWAY …. the game is no longer about Strategy. It’s about GemStore Transfers and the people who go to great lengths in threads like these to justify such a broken meta with outright denial of the obvious.
I’m not saying 1 little elite guild should be able to swing the entire fight. That would be incredibly unfair to all the new players who need some victories here and there too. I’m just saying this is already over with b/c too many people have already given up when they saw for themselves just how much this is a numbers game. No amount of arguments in this thread will change that. It’s the reality.
I haven’t seen any of Ehmry’s Blobs SINCE FRIDAY. I can’t see them b/c YB Zergs are swarming in too fast all day long. And I don’t expect anyone from YB to actually be honest about this fact either. I only expect everyone to recognize that this meta will continue and only get worse. It’s an ongoing problem of interspection that Anet refuses to engage us on b/c it’s so much more convenient for them to point at sPvP and go “There ya go, there’s your Equal-Numbers fight!” …..That’s not what any of us want here. All we want is some reason to keep playing when things look this pre-determined.
Keep in mind, this is going to be the most even matchup for weeks to come between our 3 servers. For all the other weeks, it’ll be either you guys overrunning your opponents or vice versa. Enjoy this week while it lasts.
This, all of this…
A quick look at the schedule shows that most of us will be teamed up against FA or SBI with just the worst possible most useless “dying-servers” around. It’s sad, but this really is the most even matchup ANYONE’S likely to see in all of Silver league this season. It’s a shame it’s already been tarnished by Achievement Chasers taking up so many slots and making the Blobs even blobbier… But that doesn’t mean any of us should give up the ghost for the rest of week.
Tomorrow is a new day… it doesn’t matter who got up 30k, or who feels too frustrated to keep roaming. Let’s make this a close match again and erase the smear left by the silly living story filler.
Really? Already whining about YB zergs? I expected that from EB, but not BP. Where were the complaints when you had numerical advantage over opponents.
Look at it this way… based on our queue times (past weeks we had almost no queues), we’re fielding LOTS of pve’ers and fairweathers. Just enjoy the bags.
I agree that BP is wasting its talent Left and Right and only has itself to blame right now. It’s definitely not been coordinating simultaneous captures & “escape portaling” to turn YB’s single-Blobness strategy against itself.
But a lot of these fights… the YB blob is so darned huge that a lot of us in these smaller groups get hit with Lag, more Lag, and even D/C’s while just trying to to figure out what to do next. We’re standing there pre-buffing getting ready for the fight, then all of a sudden a wave of Pre-Cacheing hits us for -50 fps, followed by a wall of Glass Nukes from these Scarlet/Tequatl zergs. And that’d be fine if we were Champions and Anet scaled this version of PvE like it scales all the rest of PvE vs. a massive Zerg. That’d still be a fair fight for the remaining stalwarts who weren’t instantly crashed out by the no-skill blob. But they already said they’re not interested in our opinions on what’s logistically more sustainable for the long term health of WvW. This is Living Story! …use it up, then 2 weeks later the next fad can be chased for maximum grind…
YB’s definitely got some numbers…. And a much better policy on camps.
Even if their weekend warriors finally drop off late tomorrow night, I dunno if these other 2 servers will find the right strategy in time. ….sucks to feel this powerless watching the underdogs keep making the same mistakes. *cough*Anet*cough*
Lol look at BP trying to setup a 2v1 in their favour after accusing us of it.
Not at all…. I clearly said they should go after your sloppy seconds b/c it’s the smartest thing to do given their unique situation & numbers currently.
They’ll need all they can get later in the week. We all know what happens when a server finally faces the 5 stages of grief after 1st place is no longer an option. IOW: they try to swipe everything they can from 3rd place and just avoid confrontation with the armies of 1st place. It’s the path of least resistance and therefore is the easiest option to coordinate and execute.
I’m merely trying to clue EB in on what will happen to them if they get complacent in thinking that you guys won’t just rotate your 2v1 target like you’ve always done in the past. Or do you guys deny handing CD some of it’s more crushing defeats in the same fashion? (were you even AROUND then??)
@ every one from BP … don’t sweat last nights scores. Especially you guys who just recently joined us. It’s all an illusion. Especially if you know anything abut YB and how they’ve always hidden behind 2v1 setups. We’ve got guilds who specialize in 1v2’s and last night we saw just how bad YB’s response time is b/c of that playstyle. This goes double for EB people… if they’re smart, and wanna come in anything but 3rd place this week, they’ll take EVERY chance they can get to back-cap everything they can off YB instead of squandering the entire weekend trying to marginalize Borskill.
Highly rated article I saw tossed around over MMO PvP/Development right here: http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
It sounded like the Author really went through all the Stages first hand and really learned something from them all. A great read for any public creator IMO.
I found it inspiring and a fair deal better than the hastily scrawled venting I contributed to this thread (no offense to those who upvoted it, it’s very much appreciated but I have no place here anymore…I have to find a new approach)
Yeah, it was really fun last night. BP also has soo many people scouting. I can never find towers I could ninja. There were people sitting in most of the towers.
Idk how people find scouting fun like that. When I go camp flipping I’ll complete my round and the same guy will be there.
Regardless… it explains how BP kept responding so quickly. Every night I was on, we were getting up to the second updates from scouts in atleast 2-3 maps at once. (well maybe only 2 since our home BL was bugged with lag). The updates even get a little annoying at times when we’re getting yanked all over the mists responding to them. But I think the score speaks for itself.
We had over 400 people in Teamspeak last reset; that’s a new record by all means… so I know that we definitely have new blood.
Been on BP for months now… just never used the Teamspeak regularly (for anything besides guild missions on sunday) until this week. The swell in coverage is just as much organic or “home grown” as it is from ….transfers.
1. Ranger Sword — (prevents dodging, evades don’t match animation)
2. Ranger Pets — (can’t dodge at all, F2 takes up to 4 seconds to activate)
3. Ranger DPS -- (izzy said in 2011 it would be very high. It’s currently the lowest on Avg)
@ style:
For individual server… there should already be separate forums. I know ours has one.
For general discussion… most of it including the vast bulk during beta and prior to GW2’s development, happened at: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/
Their moderating tends to be a lot more bureaucratic (for better or worse)
so let’s just let it fail and whither
They want to play hard ball here… let ’em see where it ends up by the end of the season.
We’re creative people, we don’t need their forum to have our voices heard by the rest of the community. The GW community never operated on the graces of a few dev’s whims. It was always independent and it can be again.
Mainly the punishment. See rule change in announcements if you haven’t already.
Basically any attempt to criticize anything Anet does now, or does not know about a class or a game mechanic, can be called a “disguised” personal attack.
These forums are now useless. I’d go into more details but I have to use a different site now
I’m also really missing poison removal on Dodge … Elusive Purity needs to just be merged into something else b/c blind removal just isn’t good enough for it to be its own trait (maybe if it was cripple & bleed removal instead like Warriors get….) …“Bug” or not, I find it funny the things Anet decides is a HUGE PRIORITY to fix first when all this other stuff is just plain bad compared to Meta classes
I can speedrun AC, COE & Arah any day of the week and still keep all but Birds up in the dungeons already. It’s WvW and dungeon TRAPS where the pets died instantly and were completely worthless.
There is a certain individual (who won’t be returning to them for the foreseeable month) who always checked on the Pre-Events before reset … and after reset to make sure everything behind the scenes ran smoothly. This included:
Clearing all of the coffins in the first dynamic event within the crypt below the Altar of Betrayal (in Straits) so that the next event would begin…
Defeating the 3 Veterans that spawn: Wraith, Abomination, & Noble (The noble is probably the most difficult to solo but any class with high DPS, Blind stacking, & Condition purge should have no issues, IE —> Necro, Mesmer, Thief even…)
Ranging down the AA gun that spawns after those Vets are defeated (wait 15 mins)
Escort Warmaster Leddron to the Crypt and don’t leave until he arrives at the doorway and begins dialog for the next phase (otherwise it could get bugged).
killing most of the mobs that spawn and then fail to despawn from the Chan escort. (in cursed shores) right before reset.
helping everyone else rez Chan’s escort with any kind of Revive skill that gets up to 3 NPC’s up in one use (necro, ranger, ele should all have this ability).
Get on TOP of the Dome of Anchorage to DPS the Cauldrons down whenever possible.
During temple of Grenth: instead of attacking the Preiest, wait in one of the 2 side rooms and AOE the Shades to get their attention and then run around the room trying to evade their Corruption Stacking debuffs. This is really important because when these Shades are allowed to wander into the middle of the main zerg, they just cause everyone in an AOE to get downed super quick so they can’t avoid the Priest’s heavy hitting Ice nukes.
During the Temple of Lyssa… go check the North invasion in Straits … if it’s staying at “Pact has taken control of Stentor Cannonade” but there’s no event to defend the Golem cannons starting IMMEDIATELY, then it’s bugged and the south route must be started instead.
For south; to successfully get Siegemaster Denbi out of Fort Trinity, you have to have a lot of minions or “bait” stationed where the first Risen wave spawns and some AOE damage to get their attention first.
There’s always 2 Aboms and a Vet Brute in this group. They must be prevented from charging the 4 engineers AT ALL COST. And you have to keep CC’ing the Brute b/c it will ignore players and only focus on the NPC’s.
Taking over the Trebuchet site on south route also goes a lot better when solo if you have a Reflect and a lot of poison removal VS. the Hylek.
I understand this is a lot to ask… and probably no one from the main zerg even remembers who was doing it initially so there’s no recognition to be had in it… But it makes the whole night’s schedule SO MUCH SMOOTHER. In some cases shaving 45 minutes off the entire run … which just that alone pays 2-fold for the time it should take to actually do most of this stuff. So ultimately, it’s logically effective for someone to take up these roles (but not the main commander, he has enough on his plate already).
Thank you for reading, and continuing to support these DE’s where Anet failed to.
speak for yourself please. …unless “we” means your AI pet which I have a lot of trouble believing its capable of such awareness when it can’t even climb up a 1 foot box to lick wounds when you get downed anywhere but flat ground.
Even FernWolf makes more sense despite what a joke I find its “healing” to be.
Fury or Protection and especially Stalker might stacks just makes so much more sense…
You expected a skill that would hard counter an entire profession?
LOL @ this guy who just said Thieves have Stealth and ONLY stealth and nothing else to fall back on….. Most thieves with any kind of real skill would find that insulting.
We’ve managed to pull such a thing off in Sorrow’s Furnace. We can consistently go up against bigger groups and bigger zergs, usually double our group’s population, and come out on top. But you know what, I’m just going with what I know and I’m sure we’re in the minority. Then again, hardly anyone watches/cares about us.
Oh no you didn’t…. you did not just pull the Learn 2 Play line…
the little guild I’m in wipes zergs of 50+ in OPEN FIELD with no chokepoints or seige like the post I was replying to cructhed off of. That doesn’t mean it’s what the Developers are incentivizing here. I don’t care what’s “possible”. It’s possible to get a precursor drop off Core… that doesn’t mean I wanna fight core all night. So don’t start this strawman stuff plz. Look at the actual patch notes and debate their intent instead. That’s why I pointed to them in the first place
Except for that one guy who says it’s fine b/c they only want to use it when Stomping —> If you’re taking any total-trash utility skill just for Stomping…. then you’re missing the entire point of “Utility” and therefore missing out on Downing a lot more people than you could be saving up potential for the Stomp itself. …If you’re really good at timing stuff, then you don’t need any crutch to Stomp.
F2 animations & activation in general have always been TERRIBLE.
…shaving 5 seconds off the C/D on most of them doesn’t even begin to address the main problems like the bugs, and canceling & then extra cooldown when F2 is pressed twice, and anything else that’s wrong with the UI/Control like the OP just listed.
Still waiting for Whiteside’s correspondence to re-commence….
MAYBE if everyone in the thread —Once there IS a thread-- …lists Ranger near the top of all concerns and things that need direct Dev-on-Player communication … there might actually be chance for the real problems to get addressed instead of this useless piecemeal stuff we see every 3rd patch…. (followed by a couple listed nerfs and even MORE stealth nerfs).
I dunno about you…. but I want us (BP) to actually stand a real chance @ this Seasonal.
So I’m not going to be playing my Ranger when we’re coordinating our Skill Groups.
I dunno what Esper’s policy on it is, but I can tell you that we don’t need a policy on it in Lost… We’ll be running the best tools for the job, all of the time. I’m sure even most of our Pubbers following DTC will also make the right choice so we have a shot at top silver.
The only time we should see any rangers… is when we need someone to recap ruins, or run emergency supply to hills/bay (which requires sword/great sword lunges… NOT BOWS and BEARS)
Anyone wanting to play ranger, should go caboose on Monkies train
Combos from Fields and “shields” especially: Those from Eles and Mesmers last longer than ours do. …. Also our Water field just got nerfed.
Wasn’t Initiators & Finishers supposed to be like a big deal mechanic in this game? They were certainly marketed that way before release. Ranger’s especially. (Don’t make me link to all the Videos that are basically now just a sad rehash of Gw1’s “HammyStorm” propaganda). Why aren’t we properly rewarded for ours? I should want to run Axe & Shortbow & Torch as often as possible to maximize DPS when playing well beyond an average skill curve. But the Lower-than any-other-class gains we get from Combos just makes the HUGE effort for positioning a total waste on this class.
….Maul wasn’t the PROBLEM with Greatsword’s DPS… Infact it was literally the only thing good about it and anyone who could use a calculator already knew that.
Should be just a tooltip error. I passed this along to the team, though.
Thanks!
Speaking of this SWORD CHAIN …. Can you tell us if it’s a BUG or not?—-that the attack chain locks us in the animations, and prevents us from dodging???
Can you guys EVER get this fixed or is it some engine limitation that Ranger and ONLY Ranger has to suffer from?
We are playing same game? Try to use things called “choke points”, “static fields”, “concentrated AOE” on your enemy, and things called “discipline”, “coordination”, “guild builds” and “tactic” on your group, and you will see x2 zergs teared apart.
Did you read today’s patch notes???
Those are pretty much ALL sPvP motivated changes. (even if they’re not 100% tPvP).
IOW: they make everything you listed even less effective VS. puggy zergs.
…I’m just amazed they haven’t tried to move this thread to trashcan already with some malarky excuse. Maybe they’re actually reading it and mumbling at their desks in the same vein of nerd rage we’ve been writing it in. If so Kudos to them for having more restraint. That’s not a bad start. That’s where Cognitive Dissonance is allowed to take root and eventually months later, there’s a chance that compromise can start to happen
AoE spells with a maximum number of targets will now count combatants that block or evade the attack towards that maximum.
GG anet.
Yeah I don’t get this one….
Also the one below it. Infact I think that one’s even WORSE. I’m talking about “targeting priority”… Mesmers unaffected it by, but Rangers who were already fighting with thieves for last place on the totem pole in any fight bigger than 5-8 ppl … now just get insta-targeted. So do any Necro who used to rely on minions to kinda sort avoid focus fire. Mesmers were already like Primo best choice to begin with in this situation and Rangers were always the Worst. And this change makes that even worse.
…Not even SONY puts out patch after patch that unbalances things more than they balance things like Anet does here and Sony is just plain EVIL. I don’t understand this crap.
I think I got one:
First paragraph in the patch notes, A main part of the event DOES NOT TAKE PLACE only in-or-around a Human Capital. No, it actually got spread over to outside the Charr capital much like SAB @ RataSum.
