Guild Wars 2

Josh XT.6053:

alain.1659:

Oh kitten . This one has such a nice attitude.

Just how I feel as a roamer and person who loves doing uninterrupted 1v1s. People like this person are the people who irritate me and most other people who are enjoying their fights. I usually end up having to stop a fight, let the person I am dueling kill the person who jumped in or end up chewing out the person who jumped in if they managed to kill the person I was fighting.

Why are you chewing anyone out? As much as you dislike someone interrupting your duels, it’s important to get respect, you first have to give it. Most duellers know this and are left unmolested.

If you’re yelling at people for interrupting your duels, you’re just as guilty as the people in this thread demanding duellers stop taking up queue space.

Here’s why I don’t go to OS: map queues.

I spend the bulk of my day (6 hours plus) scouting/sieging and upgrading keeps and towers.

To get a tiny break from it, and still be close enough to refresh siege and monitor the map, I will often have short duels — 15 minutes or so. I use it to keep my skillset up, and improve by learning from the mistakes I make. True duellers never stake anyone, so you can get back up over and over and learn from what you’re doing wrong — and congratulate your opponent on good plays.

If I went to OS, all that scouting/upgrading/refreshing that I do for hours on end, would likely not get done while I’m stuck in a queue. (You know there’s only a few people on every server who diligently do this).

So yeah, I have great respect for duellers, most of EU is like this thankfully and respectfully lets players play how they want to, instead of imposing their gameplay on others. If they’re not ganking or taking objectives, but just practising for a bit, and NOT affecting your gameplay in any way; leave them be, regardless of where they’re duelling.

Pinko.2076:

Jayne.9251:

Pinko.2076:

Jayne.9251:

I thnk it speaks volumes that if you treat your opponents with respect and keep things civil, it really does translate in game …. Not that anyone’s throwing the game, but it’s interesting that’s how it’s perceived. BG/KN/TC seems to have a special little club going on here … that’s pretty rare after three solid weeks of competing.

Haven’t KN posted that they’re throwing the game?

I believe they said they were doing it to push BG up tho, not TC.

If it turns out they’re rooting for us too, well that’s a pretty good reason for folks to start treating their opponents with respect, going forward, isn’t it?

I don’t think fixing matches is a good reason to post lolcats, no.

Oh hon, don’t despair! I know the Mag folks desperately want TC in their tier. What will be will be … Don’t stop believing!

http://youtu.be/rfUYuIVbFg0

Aeolus.3615:

Jayne.9251:

Aeolus.3615:

@Jayne.9251 guild wont fight for ppt only, but if a castle could be somewhat a extension of the GH, pride and very good chest rewards over holding time would make people fight and defend more instead of blob empty stuff.

lol.

They can claim the keeps and towers now. Proudly raise their guild flag. Do they defend? Nope.

What I think people want is something to stroke the ego of the associated guild’s they’re in — they want an entire server their own BIG GUILD NAME HERE server — with everyone else supporting their ambitions. Which on a public MMO is a bit silly (although a few have tried lol).

humm good point, well defensive mechanics can be a"bad gimmick thing", is not rewarded well, and guilds that hold stuff should be rewarded better, but game is designed to work like AB to simulate non-stop activity, but that would be a different chat and many things needed to be changed to make a decent gameplay, the point of being WvW guild cantered isn’t to make acces to wvw for guild only, but add features, some minor new elements while holding camps/tower/castles, or even good rewards, Guilds atm aren’t noting more than chat rooms with grind options to lvl up some sorta gimmicks that are being reviewed by devs at player request because they were to much of a broken system, Guilds should have strong entity in the game.

No I completely agree with you. Without guilds, there’s no, um, wars.

But they can’t be the end-all and be-all. There’s so many different factors that go into making WvW an addictive mess that it is.

Perhaps we should have a more thoughtful thread on what role guilds could potentially play in wvw — and view it from a if/then cooperative type of query (ie. there should be perks for joining a guild, etc .. which I think they tried to do with the halls)?

RedBaron.6058:

ANet still thinks that is has all the time to fix WvW…every week without fixing WvW is fatal but they talk about a production cycle of MONTHS…lol.

I spent four hours on Friday, trying to fix a corrupted web page. Everything I tried failed to fix it.

Then I finally found the problem: a single comma in one page of code, buried at line 225.

I realized then that 10,000 pages of code, particularly ones built quickly, would yield equally frustrating hours.

I fully understand your frustration. It’s good you care about the game. But there’s also real people at the other end of those attacks, and I truly wish folks would find more adult ways to communicate.

I also suspect they had a plan ready, it got leaked, there was uproar, then they were brave enough to scrap it and start again. I’d much rather a different approach than the disastrous EoTM for all of WvW. Feel like we dodged a bullet on that one.

The most liberating experience for a WvW player is when that lightbulb finally clicks on and you realize that dying in WvW isn’t that big a deal — and often will make you more fearless as you pile drive into a massive blob to break it up. It’s fun, try it! Nothing more gratifying than watching a massive blob scatter just by you alone as they are trying to stack might/regen/swiftness and you foil that process by breaking them up.

Worst case? You have to rez and run back and pay 2 silver for repairs. Best case? You’ve just eliminated their combos and your teammates can now dive in and wipe them without the benefit of boons.

You just had five straight months of pairing and being the bigger blob server.

If you feel it’s unfair, why weren’t you here complaining when you had the advantage?

TheFug.5278:

To the members of Choo, thank you for choosing to /salute instead of joining in

Yeah I have nothing but respect for the Choo guys. We even have one that comes over and visits us on our forums and participates in the discussion, rather than lurking. That Miasmic fellow’s pretty OK too You guys represent the best of your server. Kudos.

Leaa.2943:

Dear god, what the hell is wrong with people. Why would anyone even remotely consider voting on this? Are you not really aware of what this will mean? Like how are you gonna defend against a huge zone blob when you can not take down their rams, cattas, trebs? I mean this is tricky as it is anyway when outnumbered, so how on earth do you guys feel that this is a great idea?

This wont help defenders for the easy reason that if you have to use siege to defend, it means your side is undermanned. And the attacking side will be more powerful due to the repair hammer AND it wont stop them from taking our siege down for the simple reaso, that we are not immune to the insane amount of damage a blob throw at the siege, so repair hammer for defending side will be utterly useless!

So by all mean, all you guys that voted for this. How were you thinking? How are you even considering this to be a good thing?

Jayne.9251:

Najten.2418:

perseco.8321:

Buy Some Apples.6390:

But yes, I too think the message should be sent to everyone, not just those in WvW at a certain unknown time.

Terrible idea. WvWers don’t want the PvE kittens voting on WvW features when they have little to no idea what the actual impact will be.

Cuz people not playing WvW actively this very week/month will most certainly have no clue about WvW and thus don’t deserve to know there’s a poll going on; and every PvE:er is totally going to go in and vote on something that has 0 effect on their own gameplay just to be mean. I strongly doubt that.

Sometimes something as simple as a smile can give you away.

I think people keep forgetting that those generators can be used both to attack AND defend. Think old-school days of elementalists standing on top of walls.

Part of the joy in WvW for me is finding counters to what folks say are uncounterable. It’s physics. I merrily drag along members of my server for vast experiments. Then we jump with joy when we find the solution.

I agree that DBL isn’t as roamer friendly as the alpine, and truth be told, I prefer the alpine .. but I think DBL offers some kind of parity (or an attempt at it) for the lowest ranked server in ways that can be creatively defended.

I have solutions for ALL proxy cata spots

Surprises the heck out of the enemy when they’re starting to suddenly die

DeWolfe.2174:

Jayne.9251:

If NA is smart, it’ll take this opportunity to emulate EU and spread out for the fights — not the blue ribbon (which is meaningless now).

Just because Anet made 24 NA worlds at launch doesn’t mean it’s the correct division of players for today’s game population. People like fights of varying volumes of players. For me, fights are the most fun with high volume and full maps. So going to a higher Tier is better. If you like smaller scale then you can go a bit lower tiered. Spreading out evenly will more than likely make a lack luster experience for most. This change of taking into account the actual game modes population will help players find the experience they prefer.

It’s actually a fantastic way to ensure guilds stick together by giving them something to focus on/do. If you are facing new enemy servers each week, you get to face different guilds and test out your stuff vs them. That constant rotation, because of a close glicko (which would take a couple months to achieve in NA, but is doable), means more variety in matches and more challenges … which ultimately leads to improvement in skill.

I completely understand about liking massive scale fights. They can be fun, and they are not the cup of tea of everyone. But as a guild, if I was looking at maintaining a future and a robust roster on GW2, I’d look to move to a different server — if only to present more challenges for my guildmates. And I’d coordinate with other big guilds to make sure we all spread out so those challenges continued each week.

Whether your server is 1st or 8th spot, it doesn’t really matter much anymore. What matters is keeping your guild (and you) engaged.

TJgalon.5012:

Um, i play a lot of wvw, i know i am not a high level, but i only been a few month old, i am up to level 135, and i play wvw at least 2 hrs a day, as I try to play everything. I not doing anything differnt then normal in wvwm, just things are kinda moving a little faster, and I seem to die a lot more, but it a game, it fun, it not, oh no, i am a gamer, i will adept, and when the week up, it will be miss but I’ll contiune to play WVW.

Two hours a day, lol.

DevonCarver.5370:

Thrumdi.9216:

I would personally like to see Robes of Power. Stylish lounge clothing for the relaxed WvW’er.

What about Robes of Powder? In a nice powder blue color. That’s stylin’!

Someone official should sticky this thread .. it’s packed with all kinds of useful info for any player.

It’s a numbers thing. EU has three leagues because it has 27 servers. NA has two leagues because it has 24. Aside from giving NA four leagues of 6, there is no other way to divide up EU without leaving someone out.

Mergers might help, but Devon has said their metrics indicate no need to do that — ie. pve is still robust.

Not sure how two mesmers could remain permanently invis. I suspect there’s other classes at play too and maybe the OP just doesn’t understand the mechanics?

The timer on PU only adds two seconds to existing stealth for a total of 10 seconds with the elite skill. Other invis spells are 5secs or less of stealth. Then all have a really really long cooldown time, so you can’t pop invis over and over to get permastealth.

They did do #1. Just want to make sure it stays

Josh XT.6053:

Jayne.9251:

Why are you chewing anyone out? As much as you dislike someone interrupting your duels, it’s important to get respect, you first have to give it. Most duellers know this and are left unmolested.

If you’re yelling at people for interrupting your duels, you’re just as guilty as the people in this thread demanding duellers stop taking up queue space.

Like I said before, it is very simple – if you see 2 people fighting 1v1, leave them be. This game is nearly 4 years old, if people don’t understand such a basic concept in WvW, they either shouldn’t be there or should be taught.

I have no problem teaching people.

Yes but your attitude about it is probably one of the reasons for the acrimony.

You demanding people play your way is equal to them demanding you blob or get out.

No wonder there’s erosion.

Be respectful. You’ll find you’ll get it in return.

First off, you’re likely going to have issues trying to get onto a full server over the weekend. That’s prime playing time for most folks.

What I would suggest is that you stay up late, about an hour past the midnight time for the server’s zone, when players are heading to bed, and try then. Or alternately, wake up really early before the bulk of the playerbase and try then.

For example, Tarnished Coast is a North American server and is constantly “full.” My friend got on by waiting until midnight PST (when those out on the West Coast are finally going to bed), and managed to get on — this was during the week. Another got up super early 7am EST, and managed to get on, again during the week and not on the weekend. Because it`s a North American server that means that three time zones have to be taken into account — East Coast, Central and West Coast.

If you`re going to stay up late to try, you have to wait until the West Coast goes to bed. If you`re going to get up early to try, you have to be up before the bulk of the East Coast gets up.

I`m not sure where Dragonbrand is based out of .. if it`s North America, then I suggest you try what my friends did for Tarnished Coast. If it`s EU, then you`ll have to figure out the times for the earliest risers and latest bedtimes .. and try around those hours.

Good luck! It`s a fabulous game.

Loosmaster.8263:

floude.5291:

Ok here are the data we got: WWW was in a bad position before DBL, With DBL it went down the hill, Now after some improvements people came back but still there are problems with it.
‘Not WWW players’ stands there because there is no restriction for people who can troll the poll or mindlesly/ignorantly vote. If you are trying to enhance something, you need to do that with people who specialized on the thing; othervise you do a selection problem which is most of the time the predator of the study.

Nice statement you got there but still not very decent, the people who read WWW forums may be the guys who like or interested in www however there can be other players who don’t really care about forums (which are not really taken seriously even from developers; check their usage of reddit) and pretty active at www. The best way is to implement an in game module to make the representative sample vote and take decisions on what they play.

Lastly, yea becoming psychologist require self analysis; when i look back and think about what I say, I still feel convinced about my statement. It does not mean you are right if you got the majority (which is created falsely/inadequately); it only gives you to power to pursue others to listen to you, i’ll see you after you’ll face with empty borderlands.

Prior to the polls, the forum was all we had for communication. It was our screaming and foot stomping tantrums that brought you this level of communication…

Please no.

I’d say the polls are a great way to make sure those foot stompers aren’t rewarded by pitching a fit.

Ins.7139:

Nope now scouts in EB green keep have to kill npcs around the keep otherwise the waypoint is permanently contested due to an archer shooting drakes.

Fix your broken kitten before you add content that doesn’t even need adding anet. WHEN WILL YOU LISTEN!?

Oh man .. sorry, I feel your pain, but holy smokes this made me howl with laughter.

The best way to beat a skilled d/p thief is to make your own, learn the tricks and timing involved, then you can reasonably predict and counter on your main class.

Yeah, everyone’s entitled to feel how they want to feel about the changes.

I just wish they’d find constructive (and respectful) ways of communicating that.

I know, it’s one of those “oh crap” bugs. I find all those funny. Even as a stealth class. It’s why I love my moa

Edit: It’ll force me to use other skills until the bug is fixed, which I think will make me a better player. Yep, glass is half full player. I know, it’s annoying, haha

Saweth You Him.9047:

:O TC has closed the gap to 22k points. Maybe they can come in first. I think last week we lost by 13k points.

Naw TC is all about progression. We are the typical tortoise. We just slowly plod along. I think Kaineng is in no danger of us as TC and FA scrap it out for second place.

I like this idea. Anet has tried to encourage it with skirmishes, but it’s status quo.

What would be the ideal motivator? Don’t say loot, that’s always just a short term fix and borks the game economy.

Puck.9612:

swellercross.3974:

Merge low tier servers, A dead server low population is a waste of bandwidth

disband the top 3 servers and let them fill in the other servers.

They’ll just go to the next top three and the situation will revert. NA players need to organize and spread out. They’ve done this to themselves.

Jeknar.6184:

Jayne.9251:

I can’t speak for everyone, but I’d be perfectly fine losing by a tiny margin. It would mean that next week, adjust your strat, you’d have that 33% chance of winning. It would engage more players and solidify the need for team vs individual. It would give meaning to wins, which are meaningless now.

The average player these days don’t care about all that. It’s just win or nothing. That’s why badwagoners exist in the first place and nobody want to try uphill battles at the lower tiers.

Until players themselves want a more uphill battle, NOTHING you, me or anyone can suggest in terms of alliances, ladders, server reboots, etc., will resolve this issue.

It’ll just be more of the same, with hundreds of posts on the forum complaining about it.

Any changes to make this game great rests with the player base. Not Anet.

When they run away, yes

This song keeps going through my head as TCers rush back to point to fight the good fight:

Grim West.3194:

Can’t have a war if there is nobody to fight.

There’s enough of a core wvw playerbase that it doesn’t need to be incentivized.

Nobody who loves this game mode cares much about the loot or they’d have quit years ago.

Big shiny rewards draw players focused on the loot train, with very little desire to learn map mechanics, team cooperation or community support. So they blob and never improve, because why would they if the loot keeps rolling in.

That, in itself, leads to the deterioration of the game mode.

TC zerg attempts to take Hills. (Please note Mesmer in background trying to yank the enemy off the top of the wall):

I’m actually impressed when I find a talented mesmer. We had one in NWT last night from Viz and he was really really good.

Sadly, we were better.

And took the time to find him.

Someone rich. With a bad heart.

No offense but I know people who are 100 rank and have more than 15k badges and they couldn’t lead people out of a paper bag. Rank and badges are easy to get even if you just mindlessly zerg. Good commanders have a dynamic personality, a thick skin, and more importantly understand how to read a map and plan chess moves. No way to guarantee that until they’re tested out, and some even evolve into that with enough time and experience.

The closest thing I’ve seen suggested that I like is some kind of voting system. But I suppose that’s kind of already in effect when bad commanders fail to get a following. What I think people forget is free will. If someone is terrible, you can follow another, change maps, or go pve until a good and trusted commander logs in. The bad commanders eventually get weeded out when they don’t have the bodies to do stuff. But it’s up to the players themselves to establish what’s good or not, by not arbitrarily following a blue icon simply because they have a blue icon. Free will.

It’s statistics. Larger population = more bodies to die, which affects ratios.

Naw. If they go mega server, I can save my money and not buy gems to buy the siege (and before the change, upgrades) to fund the community effort,

And I’m not the only one who does/did that.

Whoops, there goes actual revenue generated from WvW for Anet,

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Don’t even try to sugar coat what the rank req in wvw means. This is not a challenge, nor does it require any skill. It’s pure mindless grind for 80% of it.

And has been said countless times in this thread: You don’t need the item to play the game. If you had ONE viable reason as to why you HAVE to have it, that would be fine, but you have yet to do anything but type walls of text. I’m sorry, it’s true. Half this thread is you.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Its even more silly because the first year barely even recorded wvw rank so how many hours were spent there where no “commitment” to wvw was recorded.

Actually ranks weren’t introduced until just after year two, or was it year three? Without rewards or any loot. But we still played it.

And you feel it should be made easier for you? Are you willing to cough up two years worth of pve income?

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Or the fact that the fastest way to rank up today is still to ktrain which is mindless and isn’t even WvW

Well FABULOUS! You can earn this award in less time than me. So what’s the problem?

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

If they leave it as is, all it proves is that the game is headed in the direction of some of the most grindiest mmo’s out there, which concerns me and should concern all of you as well.

Again, you have a choice. If Anet caves, and thankfully it’s looking like they won’t, you’ll have this content completed and off to another game, stripping revenue from Anet.

Conversely, if it takes you a long while to get the shiny, you may just learn what a unique and great game mode this is.

Remember, you have a choice.

And to be fair, you aren’t this first harbinger of doom here who’s predicted the decline of GW2 because somethings not easy. People have been saying the game is doomed for five years now. Yet we are still chugging along.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

This game wasn’t marketed as a grindy mmo, infact it was one of its selling points and its one of the reasons I play it to this day. I don’t understand why so many would cheer for this or even attempt to justify its legitimacy.

Where does it say that exactly?

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Look how they promote the new wvw rewards, they chose to show a screenshot of the new armor (as opposed to the legendary back-piece which is more reasonable to obtain) and they act as though “common in and check out those new rewards.” Unbeknownst to us though the grind for it is beyond unreasonable.

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/872127006741278720

Again you have a choice. You do not NEED these items.

Give it up already. You’re the only one still here screeching over this.

I think you’ve had some very thoughtful and respectful replies to your pages of posts, but you seem to have tunnel vision.

Time to adult.

Edited to add: Geeze that armour is atrocious lol. All this fuss over bounce dryer sheets tied to your back?

Omega,

You are not allowed to quit.

Love,

Bamby

To be fair, that’s just one guy spouting off and apparently he doesn’t know much match history. I’d be surprised if he was actually even on TC, given the comments.

I think we all should be happy, personally. Tier one and tier two are reasonably balanced … well way more so than it used to be ….. there are good fights to be had pretty much any time of the day … and even with some uneven time periods, gains can be made for all sides. Sounds like an ideal spot to be really.

Of course, now that I’ve said this out loud, a server will implode and chaos will ensue …..

Usagi.4835:

Here’s a better score update with eye candy!

You need to get to the beach and get some sun hon

coglin.1867:

Random.4691:

coglin.1867:

OP your argument lost the ability to hold water the second your post began to assume a mutual exclusivity between WvW players and PvE player. This whole flawed thought process that no one plays both WvW and PvE is absurd.

While you’re not wrong, according to Anet we all play both which is also not remotely close to true.

Do you have a link to something, in which they stated “WE ALL” play both?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Mike-O-Brien-thinks-you-re-all-into-PvE

Gem items sadly cannot give any WvW advantage, otherwise we’d get claims of paying to win, etc …

Straegen.2938:

Jayne.9251:

If you believe this works, then you have no clue about how your defense teams work. Most of them are the “pugs” who will “fill in the gaps” and as such are used to working with smaller groups to do the jobs the guild just plain won’t do. It takes time and proven teamwork to make that function. Randomly dispersing them will result in a non-cohesive group that will crumble with this model.

You NEED to have both groups on map in order for WvW to work.

Yes and I am advocating for a system that puts big guilds, small guilds and pugs on the same side against other similarly mated alliances. Each style of play is conducive to enjoyable WvW play and needed in each match by each side.

The problem in WvW arises when that mix is out of balance. When a server only blobs or lacks coverage during a certain time, WvW becomes far less fun to play by everyone. The “server” system actually enforces that inequality.

Even populations make for better fights. It really isn’t any more complicated than that. Any system that continually evens out the population and allows players to fight for their side over the long term (in this case guilds) is a significantly better system that what we have today.

IMO it is absurd to hang on to this outdated and tired mechanic that has created incredibly stale matches based around a scoring system that almost everyone universally dislikes. Can we not at least try something different that at least has a chance for a better outcome?

Yes, but you’re saying to use the pugs and smaller guilds to be the “mortar” .. meaning they randomly get assigned to a shifting “server”.

That will not work for your team’s defense. Those small guilds and pugs are the reason why you have a defense. The guilds can’t be kitten d.

If you break those existing communities apart by random assignments, you will find that backbone quits. Then you’ll only have the guilds left.

And it’ll be a giant karma train.

Which gets old fast.

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Heibi.4251:

sephiroth.4217:

Anet plays WvW from time to time, it’s a good thing and not a bad thing.

We need them to play WvW to make relevant WvW fixes.

It’s also good to spike Anet tags.

Yes, play, but to claim for a server goes beyond fixing things.

They don’t get any super magical powers that any other guild claiming a keep would get.

I don’t see the problem.

I agree with Seph, I’m happy to see them in game and active. I’d be happier if they spent more time in the lower tiers though. Top tiers don’t really give an accurate reflection of overall health.

EnRohbi.2187:

Evalana.5480:

EnRohbi.2187:

EDIT: This is also the end of me being nice in public for this week.

I bet I can make it happen again :-P

You are free to try.
But don’t hold out too much faith on it

You aren’t fooling anyone. Everyone knows you’re nice.

Also: Evalana, you server-hopping tollop :p

Sviel.7493:

When you open up the world map and, in an instant, can see which yaks are missing.

I bow to you sir.

Sylvyn.4750:

We need our gliders in DBL…would be so much fun!

Only if I can shoot you out of the sky and watch you drop like a lead balloon.