Guild Wars 2

Legendaries should have been account bound from the beginning. Anet can’t go back and change it now, but that doesn’t mean they have to continue making the same mistake going forward.

You have three options:

1) stop farming champs
2) destroy excess
3) make it into bloodstone bricks, one 14s gold sink at a time

Its not ignored, they’ve stated why many times. I know it sucks (having a condition toon myself), but its a major technical/bandwidth issue which cant just be solved at this time.

I agree it’s a flaw, but I suspect we wont see any changes until they can work round the stated technical limitations

Maybe this was covered in the preview but are you assuming they will still allow people to just ignore the adds?

Since this is permanent and not a temp LS, upscalling isn’t really an issue since you’ll get to the appropriate level needed to do the event someday, just like every other piece of permanent content in the game.

OP, you don’t understand the concept of reverse psychology very well, do you. Telling angry people not to complain as the subject of a discussion is like hanging out a sign saying “come here to complain.” That’s why a lot of “complaints about complaining” threads get closed, it’s an invitation to a group kitten session, not a true discussion about an issue.

One of the Asura in the jail at the bottom floor of Rata Sum was jailed for that reason. The plaque besides his cell warns you to stay away or you might “catch his stupid.” It’s cruel but funny.

I don’t even mind the mats gathering, what bothers me is that we’re being forced to craft

Why can’t we just gather the mats and use the mystic forge to make our ascended weapons? That would satisfy me so much more.

AntiGw.9367:

This is more like Complain on the Forum Wars 2 at this point.

Because its more satisfying than, uh, playing the game. Duh.

Seriously, stop with the drama. Your false perception of what really is, is really wrong. Play the game and you will see why.

stof.9341:

Olba.5376:

@OP: Did you forget to consider that maybe Ascended weapons aren’t something that they intended for you to have on every single slot? Kinda like how you’re not expected to have 1-4 Legendaries on your character?

ANet fell a long way from their time of GW1 then.

“Sorry guys, we don’t expect people to have BiS items any time soon. GW1 was too fair and skill based you see? We want it to be about who is the biggest farmer”

Looking at the OP, I think people are rushing a bit too much to the Ascended stuff.

Colin has literally gone on record saying that Exotics were too easy to get, which ended up not matching their idea for BiS stuff.

Looking at the OP’s numbers, he’s got a total of 5 weapons and 32-52 hours of gameplay for the Empyreal Fragments. If he doesn’t buy Empyreal Fragments and Deldrimor Steel Ingots from the TP, he’s looking at a minimum of 6 days per weapon, for a total of 30 days. Getting 32-52 hours of gameplay within 30 days amounts to 1-2 hours a day.

Compared to various other games, being able to get BiS gear within a month and by playing as little as 1-2 hours a day is amazingly low.

This is more like Complain on the Forum Wars 2 at this point.

But they did warn you and even reverted the original patch 19 days ago that implemented that change.

Please get in the habit of reading release notes every time you get a patch. It will save you a lot of grief and give you a heads up on changes.

As for consumable karma boosters of which I also have a lot of, you can use them to boost the Karma you get from completing events. It’s obvious they are shifting to have Karma be a more scarce currency so every bit will help once your current pool of Karma is used up.

There is no easy solution to the problem posed here.

There has been (since basically the launch of the game) the general complaint that veteran and champion mobs were not rewarding enough for the effort they required. (Especially after the general loot issues in November). They first attempted to fix this by making sure these mob types had some type of guaranteed drop for anyone that qualified (ie enough dmg). However, a guaranteed blue or green drop was not good enough for most people. As such, the majority of all champs were simply not killed. People just ran passed them, as they deemed that they still “weren’t worth the effort.” There was still the outcry that they weren’t worth it, something more needed to be done. Anet, again tried to ‘fix’ the issue, listening to their player base, and adjusting some of the loot rewards – enter champion loot bags. These bags now made the champs worth killing, and as an added bonus, to help appease some of those asking for skins to farm and additional ways to gather high end materials, they threw those into the rng champs bags as well. Should have been a win-win all around.

Now; however, we are faced with the issue of massive zergs rushing from champ to champ, seeking the fastest possible route with the least resistance. While Anet is pleased that people are playing together in the open world (Colin day say as much), I (personal opinion incoming) don’t think they really intended for such massive groups to all on the same foe, the way we are with the champion farming. This is semi-supported by the fact that they simply don’t scale (presently) quite the way they should.

Simply scaling the champs for the larger groups may alleviate some of the complaints about not being able to get your hits in to qualify for the loot tables, but that will only work for so long. We are already getting the complaints (and honestly have been for a while) that simple ‘zerg play’ isn’t fun. People just aren’t happy with it, and feel like they are being forced into it.

I feel that champs need to not only scale better, but when they hit a certain number of people, their mechanics need to adjust as well, to make them more interesting and potentially more fun. This way you can’t just stand there and let your auto attack do the work for you. In addition to this, we need incentive to not simply ‘run the zerg loop’ like mindless hamsters. I get that some people enjoy this, and that’s fine; however, some people are only doing it because it’s lucrative. They’d prefer to be doing other things but feel locked into this zerg gameplay. They need something else to entice them back out into the other things they enjoy, instead of feeling like they need to be on the choo choo train in order to make money.

Hopefully, as they continue to overhaul their world bosses, dungeons, etc we will start seeing other part of the game become more lucrative and “worth doing,” which might help break up some of the zerg-i-ness. We will simply have to have some patience and see what develops.

Zaxares.5419:

There’s no need to limit Champion Boxes to 20 per day. What they should do is implement diminishing returns on individual Champions so that subsequent kills will give inferior versions of Champ bags until they stop dropping altogether (around kill #3 or 4, perhaps). That will encourage people to move on to different maps rather than just staying in the same map for hours and hours.

Or simply increase the scaling on champs. I’ve run with the zerg one round in Frostgorge (I was at the WP near the fish to unlock it and decided to see what it was all about). By the time we got to the Wurm, the thing was already at 50% health when I arrived. And the next one (no idea what it was) was dead by the time I reached it (and I knew what WP to use). If it takes, let’s say, 3 minutes to kill a champ with a group of max 5, it should take 3 minutes to kill a champ with a group of 50. And not 30 seconds.

LadyRhonwyn.2501:

Zaxares.5419:

There’s no need to limit Champion Boxes to 20 per day. What they should do is implement diminishing returns on individual Champions so that subsequent kills will give inferior versions of Champ bags until they stop dropping altogether (around kill #3 or 4, perhaps). That will encourage people to move on to different maps rather than just staying in the same map for hours and hours.

Or simply increase the scaling on champs. I’ve run with the zerg one round in Frostgorge (I was at the WP near the fish to unlock it and decided to see what it was all about). By the time we got to the Wurm, the thing was already at 50% health when I arrived. And the next one (no idea what it was) was dead by the time I reached it (and I knew what WP to use). If it takes, let’s say, 3 minutes to kill a champ with a group of max 5, it should take 3 minutes to kill a champ with a group of 50. And not 30 seconds.

^ I agree with this.

Blaze Johnny.8645:

You people are so stupid. Its about balancing the economy. More money in the game makes prices go up. altough it seems that youre richer than before, you are not. What 100g was worth is what 200g is now.

Really? 100g used to buy me just shy of an entire T3 cultural outfit. 200g today buys me…almost two full T3 cultural outfits. Abyss dye is still 25ish g…Celestial dye is still 16-18g…Powerful Bloods are still 30ish silver… Lodestones are 30-50% cheaper…etc, etc.

More fun = gold easier to acquire offset by more gold sinks to balance out the economy

I’m sorry that former CoF Path 1 farmers and TP heroes are having to deal with a little inflation…so sad.

Wolfheart.1938:

“ Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base. The rare stuff becomes the really awesome looking armours. It’s all about collecting the unique looking stuff and collecting all the other rare collectable items in the game: armour pieces, potentially different potions – a lot of that is still up in the air and we’ll finalise a lot of those reward systems as we get closer to release. And those come off of things like the bosses at the end of dungeons – the raids.”

Colin, Eurogamer, September 2011. So in a grand total of 2 years they did a 180° turn on this important game design choice. I wonder what’s in store for 2014.

The main “issue” we have now is that Ascended Weapons weren’t here at release. Fortunately, the Ascended Materials are available at the lowest levels, by the time you reach 80 (on a post-patch character) it is reasonable to have enough materials to craft an Ascended Weapon.

Let’s take a look at the materials needed to craft an Ascended Greatsword and how hard it is to get them before you even reach level 80:
Normal Materials are rather easy to come by if you actually play the game, and not fast level using crafting, it’s not unreasonable to have all the mats below shortly after you reach 80. Even the 450 Mithril Ingots are easy to get, Mithril is everywhere. It might appear that the required are loads if you start collecting them now, but as I see it, even a fresh player can actually have most of these while only playing the game normally.

60 Softwood Plank
30 Seasoned Wood Plank
20 Hard Wood Plank
150 Elder Wood Plank
10 Ancient Wood Plank
180 Iron Ingot
90 Steel Ingot
60 Darksteel Ingot
450 Mithril Ingot
15 Orichalcum Ingot

Rare Materials:
20 Crystalline Dust
5 T6 Materials
17 Globs of Ectoplasm
Not a very unreasonable amount there now, isn’t it? The “only” hard part here are the Globs of Ectoplasm, but due to our beloved World Bosses, starting at level 60 you can get your Globs without issues.

“Special” Mats
30 Obsidian Shards
20 Skill Points
5 Laurels
21k Karma
3 gold
Once again, make a new character and by level 80 (if done “properly”) you will probably have all those easily.

And now the Ascended Materials:
270 Thermocatalytic Reagent, that’s around 80g might be expensive for fresh 80s
500 Pile of Bloodstone Dust, that’s very easy to come by, at level 10 you can go around in Queensdale and get some Champion kills for these
500 Empyreal Fragment, that’s indeed a tough one, but dungeons give 20 per path, that’s 60 per dungeon. If you do all dungeons as you level up, there’s a total of 25 Paths for exactly 500 Empyreal Fragments. In other words, if you run each dungeon ONCE (while leveling from 1 to 80 preferably) you will get all your Fragments. Do some Jumping Puzzles on the way to cover some paths you might not do.
500 Dragonite Ore, you can start getting these at level 15, killing the Shadow Behemoth, Frozen Maw, Fire Elemental and Jungle Wurm. If you kill all the World Bosses ONCE, and assuming average drop in Dragonite Ore, you will get a grand total of 308 Dragonite Ore. They should make Dragonite Ore more readily available for sure, it’s the most rare of the 3 (requires more Grind).

So, unless you consider a “grind”, running all world bosses and dungeon paths ONCE, then I don’t see any kind of mindless grind required for the Ascended mats. It’s your choice if you choose to “grind” some of the bosses or some of the dungeon paths over and over again, but you certainly don’t have to at all. If you want you can get all the Ascended Materials for a Weapon in a single day, if you can run all the paths in one day of course.

To me, getting to 400 Weaponsmithing is a lot more time consuming / grindy than crafting an Ascended Weapon. If you can get to 400 in a crafting discipline, there shouldn’t be any problem in crafting your weapon of choice.

Tunnel vision is a bad thing to have. Being open minded will allow you to see clearly. There is nothing wrong with ascended gear.

You don’t even need to grind to get ascended gear.

You will get the materials to make it by playing the game at any speed, in any way.

You and all of the other complainers are over dramatizing the entire issue.

Look at what is required to make them, and look at all the options of obtaining them. You get all of the materials without trying. Now relax.

Considering that someone already crafted an ascended weapon 3 days after release:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Im-first-to-craft-ascended-Greatsword
It’s a lot less of a grind than people think. Less QQ more pewpew.

Merkator.6351:

Before taking a break, I ended up leveling 8 characters to level 80, and getting them all decked out in exotic gear. I heard they added a new tier of gear now, does that new tier mean my old exotic gear is now worthless in WvW, and I’ll have to regrind all new gear?

No. Player skill still matters 90% more than gear does. If you were 1v1 with a player with the exact same skill as you and they had ascended weapon and you exotic, it would be a tight fight but you would lose obviously.

But how often would that happen in WvW? Not a lot…

As far returning to GW2, it depends wether you like living story or not? The next Living story is a BIG WvW update, LFG tool and the Tequal dragon event as been remade to be a 80 player minium raid.

Thanks for the response, Bobby.

I think my ideal solution would be as follows:

1. Put in a Herald NPC (yes, that guy!) in your Home District, that like the replay NPCs during Flame & Frost, allows you to revisit past content. This NPC allows you to do dungeons like the Molten Facility or the Aetherblade Retreat, or any story-related content that takes place in an instance. You can bring a party into this instance by forming a party then going into your Home District as normal.

2. All achievements related to these dungeons can be completed as normal via the Herald. Rare rewards from these dungeons can still be obtained this way as normal.

3. Mini-games are added to the rotation as offered by Kiel/Evon. Achievements for these mini-games can be completed as normal even after the Living Story chapter is concluded.

4. Living Story content affecting the open world disappears at the conclusion of the Chapter (so no more Effigies or Periscopes littering the world), but to make up for this, increase the amount of time between Chapters to 1 month. Obviously, content linked to seasonal events like Wintersday will return next year and can be completed if they were missed the first time.

You know what? This idea is actually pretty good.

I still think it would be better to get the information in-game in a more natural, cinematic fashion rather than a text-heavy infodump, but…OP’s idea is a lot better than what they’re doing now.

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Latinkuro.9420:

why the hell didnt they just let us choose both the weapon and the stats !

Because that’s a feature unique to legendaries

Not really. Legendary weapons let you swap stats on the fly. Allowing someone to select the weapon and the stat once when they manage to get that super rare drop isent asking to much as any crafter could do the exact same when they make it.

Latinkuro.9420:

why the hell didnt they just let us choose both the weapon and the stats !

Because that’s a feature unique to legendaries