Guild Wars 2

A Mini Zhai Zhai pet!

Konig Des Todes.2086 –
1) Wrong, both Zhai and Primordus create their minions via their champions from already existing energy remains (Zhai uses corpses, Primo fossils and well… the Pale tree uses the energy of nature and the sun itself)
2) True, but remember, all champions share the history of the others, thus it would be pretty much safe to say that the new sylvari came from a tree planted after the one we have there or the same as what i suspect to be Bubbles, the corrupted of the Jade Wind, a lot of the Saltspray dragons, that got taken away and raised by someone/something else aint hostile and one that we know is special, Kuunavang, got only corrupted because of Shiro/Abbadon, has free will and “helps” the heros in the same way Glint did (by actually ruining the whole situation even more, causing Shiro to get to Abbadon with his army and making everyone in Cantha even freaking more xenophobi)
3) As a continuation of 2), remember, the Nightmare Court are the sylvari that actually just follow their own “will”, everyone else is under the guidance of Human and Centaur friendship teachings (Ventari tablet), thus making them actually the corrupt ones for being “the protectors” and nice and kind, also the fact that they didnt do anything against the asura essencially killing and experimenting on them for a while shows even more how drone like they are.

Yep, but Final Rest is the PvE version.

Giant Gargoyle/Wyvern that sits on a black staff with one wing spread, kitten for necros that wanna be servants of Dhuum and/or Zhai~

• Spectral recall doesn’t apply cooldown till recall is active, you can basically use it as free running tool and swap to another skill instantly w/o cooldown limitations, out of combat of course. – This isnt a bug, all skills with double activation work like that, but Spectral walk is still put on cooldown.

LinseyMurdock – The only hint I will give on Final Rest is this: You cannot make it. It is dropped from a LARGE boss chest.

Thats what i got when i asked, doubt that she would lie.

chuiu.4985:

Pretty sure its a specific mystic forge recipe. I’ve been searching for it since launch for my necro. :/

Asked dev, say its a boss chest drop, now just to get what boss drops it!

How about just removing the degen from DS and adding at least 1 more ability?

Onedoesnotsimply.5740:

Spec full glass cannon and watch how little our reward is vs risk compared to any other (besides ele) class is. You had a decent pug and know how to play in dungeons. Congrats, we are still broken/bugged and besides doing aoe blinds so my group can push forward in wvwvw I don’t feel like I’m doing much else >.>

Sorry, but glass cannon D/D ele has the best risk/reward ratio of all classes.

To thekittender craft gear only, NO, that kills all real end game PvE (meta events and explo dungeons).

The finishers thing would be a really easy thing to “balance back” Necro Grasp always being projectile finisher and all marks being blast finishers upon activation (and then chillblains also leaving the poison field).

Kinda true, but instead of going for condition damage, going for power is usually more benefitial, yes, your conditions might stuffer under it, but its around 40~ damage you lose out, that is one of the reasons why Burning forcused guardians are so strong, conditions do nice damage without additional Cond Damage so you can focus on other offensive aspects.

There are 3 stats that “kinda” have to do with damage:
Power (get it from gear and 916 just from level 80)
Weapon damage (numbers on the weapon)
Attack (so far pointless for some reason)
The thing im trying to say, that the numbers on the weapon actually dont add to the damage of skills, since they are all just based on their own basic damage and how it is increased from power, but that the type of weapon itself makes decides how the power scales with the weapon skills (or in really simple, 1111 “weapon damage” on staff doesnt mean anything).

Attack should be the base off that your weapon skills scale (and then gets reduced by the enemy toughness), ofc depending on the skill skill (eg. Mark of Blood having a 0.4 scailing with attack, Chillblains 0.7 and Putrid 1.1) while utilites that do damage only scale of power like they already do.

Yes, Lich i mean Lich form base “weapon damage” has the damage/scailing of a level 1 weapon (the power you get if youd take away all but 916 power).

Also yes Life Blast often does get obstructed like a lot of mini channel projectiles if you are running away and the enemy isnt within a cone of like 60 or 75 or if you get punched out of ds then within your weapons cone that the attack can be cast for whatever reason (but rarely happens since i watch out to go into DS with staff to weapon swap after dark path to proc hydromancer).

Knote.2904:

Death Shroud skills with no weapon have their own base dmg (Life Blast w/no weapon was like 330 or something).

Placing a weapon “replaced” that number with it’s own based on your weapon dmg.
pStaff = PvP Staff // sStaff = Steady Staff

No Amulet + pStaff = 518 Top Life Blast
923 Amulet + pStaff = 1039 Top Life Blast
No Amulet +sStaff = 67 Top Life Blast
923 Amulet + sStaff = 134 Top Life Blast

Using on Heavy Dummy reflected this (66 and 133 dmg for Steady Staff). PvP Staff of course had it’s randomized dmg range, but was around the stated average.

I tested the 2 dmg dealing wells, weapon dmg has absolutely no affect on their dmg, they always have their own base dmg based on level. Power increased them the same, (923 amulet increased them by 101%).

Something a bit odd about the wells, they had their own hidden dmg range similar to that of weapons, basically they had their own seperate “weapon dmg” with a dmg range, as each cast would give a slightly different consistent dmg (yes Suffering applies Vulnerability). Corruption used by itself showed consistent dmg either 118 tics, or 123 tics, or 126 tics, etc. per cast and when the 923 amulet added showed the dmg doubled as well within similar range, so working normally. I figured slotting the Steady Weapon would normalize the tics, but they kept their dmg spread.

Lich Form is a special case, it also uses it’s own Weapon Dmg thus equipping either weapon, and then unequipping both did absolutely nothing. Lich Form had it’s own base weapon dmg (of like 818 or so) as well as adds free stats such as an extra 1800 or so Power and other stats like Precision. It still used the Amulet’s Power, adding the 923 bumped the dmg from around 800 something to 1300, considering it already had it’s own free Power Boost this makes sense and is working normally.

Well yeah, that was kinda my whole point, that Utilites and Transformations arent affected by weapon damage while weapon skills are, but not by the number that the weapon states, well DS seems to have its own calculation, since you caught my attention with the removing amulet then testing with DS – forgot to do it on the first time, but an additional 916 power does still double the damage.

Lich form seems to have around 150 base weapon damage based on what the power boost would make the damage and what it actually is (you can test it by using the marks and removing the the power boost depending on how much power you already have) and yes it does work normally (never said lich wasnt working, just saying that either a big part of weapon damage does nothing or that the numbers are there for show/just to give a bit of RNG on the min and max damage).
Plague having about the same (maybe a tiny bit more) base weapon damage if you would remove Lich power boost/add the same amount of bonus damage to Plague (if you double the power/add 1835~ power if with amulet depending if you have points in spite or not).
Wells do the same amount of damage no matter what weapon is equipped. Same with plage.

Overall, the numbers on the weapons seem to be there for lolz of the RNG gods so that we dont get the same final numbers there (as in to nerf our damage) since the 1111 damage that the staff should give for the weapon skills is nowhere, its only the power that counts or the game uses a really complicated calculation.

Zelkovan.2630:

Just found a bug, but want to see if anyone has any other problems with this one. I’ve tried it during combat and out, but it doesn’t seem to work.
The bone fiend’s second ability, Rigor Mortis, does not immobilize a foe nor does it deal damage.

It works under the conditions of: you attacked the enemy/in combat, enemy attacked by both you and fiend are targeted, bone fiend is within 900 range of enemy (seems that after it the projectiles dont have any effect despite hitting the enemy/kinda like spectral grasp). Also Bone Fiends 10 second cripple attac, Flesh Golems every 4th attack (the uppercut attack so it kinda fits) and 14 out of 15 Flesh Wurms attacks (as in 41 out of 45 since 1 hit was a crit so im not sure) seem to be empowered by 400~ damage.

Even better, if you DS while the mesmer is casting moa (after start, before finish) you get Death Moa with the first 2 abilites of moa form and the last 2 of DS! The ultimate predator, death moa with bugged out black textures of doom, fear it.

(yes moa shouldnt despawn and shouldnt be castable on enemies in transformation – that includes DS)

@Any dev here
Just to say, if you get to implement a replay of the personal story trough some way from your home instance cough a asura/charr replica of the scrying pool cough and get the VAs (or even new ones – would be better in some cases) to do different voice/character type options, i would buy em (and i mean real money, not gold to gems to shop), since it would be worth giving like 10£ so that i get a cynical, british, a tad pessimistic tomboy that doesnt cry because of a dead bone minion and sticks to the type of character i chose in conversations (as in if going all out diplomatic, you dont flirt or say that you will punch kitten or even worse say well this is the plan, run for it!) or a shy charr whos sire is a traitor, but that still tought him the powers to fight back oppressors, doesnt know how to make a giant freaking lazor cannon, but knows how to… well lets say summon a massive lightning elemental and likes to do the field research side, not kill this so that we get results or activate this so that we get results and after a while, when on orr and he finds a searing cauldron, remembers that it stands for everything that charr shouldnt do!

Seriously, general personality change packs would be epic for the store!

Kiraki.9761:

So basically, she shows that the player character will be doing all the hard work while Trahearne gets all the credit for it? And I guess that is suppose to be ok since at least you know you are actually the one that did everything even if all the other characters give the credit to someone else. Sorry, but that sounds like a terrible story to me.

Why dont people already get it, Trahearne = Kormir 2.0
Useless the entire plot, sometimes on missions with you but never attacks or deals any damage, takes over all the the fame, no emotional connection with anyone at all, etc, etc~

One thing missed, Kormir was the person who awoke Abbadon, you know the starting cutscene in nightfall… look at the person who is casting spells next to that giant head of a statue that looks a lot like a ex-human god.

1) You are already downscaled to 2 levels below the highest level DE mob in the area (sometimes even more)
2) DE rewards do get scaled to a pretty nice point (you get 240~ karma pre champion of “badazar”, 360~ pre orr event, not that big of a difference for a 70 level gap).
3) Been there. Done that.
4) More stupid money sinks!

Knote.2904:

Also Andele, I’ve done my own testing with Power and scaling to see how it works a couple times already and I’m very confident I know how it works.

Direct Dmg from skills scale with your average Weapon dmg by a certain coefficient (obvious), and has NOTHING to do with Attack (the sum of weapon dmg + power).

Basically 100 average weapon dmg = 80 for one skill, 150 for another, etc.

Your base Power (916 @ lvl 80) is 100% Base Dmg. Every additional 100 Power is 11% increase (916 + 100 Power = 111% base dmg).

With no other modifiers, Power Amulet (+923 Power) changes tooltips on Axe skills from:
236 — 472
269 — 540
808 — 1616

1. The reapers protection thing seems to be fixed
2. Knote, I thought so myself at first, but if you test it with utility skills/Lich/DS, you will see that weapon damage actually gives the % scailing and that power buffs the damage by a flat amount.
3. A lot of risen mobs (only ones i actually tested it on) seem to have their light and medium armor values swapped.

What id really, really want is a Mini Zhai zhai. He is cute!

A must http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxmkAoLC6_4
Yay for cute Varesh!

a) Malchor was human as we know via the Corrupt Dwayna statue event
b) He is also the only mortal who saw the gods (forgotten in GW1 and even freaking Glint hint that they didnt/couldnt see the human gods)
c) The whole Grenth is Dwaynas son is probably just bs that the world builders mixed up since they wanted to explain why there are no Dhuums statues on Tyria, but fudged it up by saying that Grenth lived/was born on Tyria.

They are hashes.4523:

@Andele the damage scalation is a really interesting, and deep, topic of its own.
Could you make a thread for that? I would love to see more people testing the same thing and read what the results are. If something is buggy i will add it here of course.
• (NB0054)[Fix – Unconfirmed] Reapers Protection gives 20+ seconds of AoE fear when it hits another necro with reapers protection.
Is this fixed, or still happens?

Well i both have a lot of stuff to do (each time im here, im also doing something else – multitasking keeps the brain fresh~) and am pretty lazy with keeping stuff updated, thus chances are that i wont make a thread about it, but something is definity fishiy with both medium armor damage reduction and how power scales with diferent profession skills.

About reapers protection, it was still bugged when i used Doom on a enemy necro while in melee, but will test with friend today.

Just on a note Zhai Zhai was never really alive… you know, the whole undead thing, so all we are doing by collecting his shards is probably just a way of giving him a chance to come back and bite the Pacts arses for being a panzy bunch that like turret sections.

Go to the order of whispers, every lightie wishes to have such a medium armor (if you have to look like a stripper, then at least a godkittenfabulous one).

Epic staff, saw it linked in chat, but there is not even a clue on how to get it… from the name id guess it has either something to do with the place where Zhai died or Malchors leap. Would be awesome to even just get a hit from a Dev.

They are hashes.4523:

@Andele : (NB0054) removed

Dont know, i tried it twice, happened both times upon trying to Doom a enemy necro.

Another thing that sparked my interest thanks to the scepter damage thread, weapon and power scailing seems to have a totally different system than what it indicates.

Armor at 80:
H – 2127
M – 1980
L – 1836

Attack at 80 with staff and Soliders amulet and jewel in it: 2950
From 50 attacks (not counting the RNG 4% crits)
the average on heavy is 495.5 pre necrotic grasp
average on medium is 635.8 pre NG
average on light is 593.4 pre NG~

If you add 30 to spite, the damage barely goes up on the light and heavy side (around 20 damage increase), but increases the damage on medium golem from 635 to 748.
Either way, something is way off on the charts since:
a) Weapon damage stat seems to have no impact at all to your skill damage except that it makes them possibly hit for less depending on what the weapons min/max damage is (always 126 damage variation on staff skills), but it does change the scailing of power for skills (50% scailing on level 80 item, level 0 item 5%) making the whole plain numeric part, that would suggest thats the amount of base damage everything you do would have, obsolete.
b) Medum armor seems to take the most damage, then light and then heavy, but not a single one of em have a fair ratio (heavy reduces tooltiped damage by 5~%, medium increses by 25%, light increses by 17%) of you doing around exactly what the tooltip says (what would be medium by normal standards)

Judges.4527:

Not sure if this has been reported yet, but Spectral Wall and Putrid Mark do not seem to be working together.

This is more of a wall detection problem, both you/minions and the enemy have to enter the wall after it has been layed down and the mark may not be placed in the wall without it instantly procing on something (for short if any of the components are in the wall as it is placed or putrid was placed before the wall is placed/after its placed but not on a enemy thus instantly blasting) it doesnt work, you get used to it after a while but still bloody annoying.

• (NB0054)[Fix – Unconfirmed] Reapers Protection gives 20+ seconds of AoE fear when it hits another necro with reapers protection.
- confirmed

• Spectral walk is now correctly affected by spectral traits. However, it does not work as a stun break, despite what the tooltip says.
- seems to be kinda random and/or based on the cc (knockdowns, pushes and pulls dont seem to get broken, but stuns and dazes so far do).

I honestly find Necro downed nice, would be better if it first put you into DS, then when the life force is out into the current downed state, but still nice.

BTW

Necros have the highest damage downstate, with the 50% increase dmg trait.

Every single class has a +50% in downed and the base damage of all downed states is overall the same (necro just looks better because of the life steal component and that poison has a minimum flat damage no matter what).

Trident Skill 2: Feast – confirmed to do damage to yourself.

New one, Plague stability is ignored by Point Blank Shot.
Also (NB0048) Greater Marks Does not increase Chilblains’s area of effect. – wasnt fixed, still original small circle of poison field and chill…

Favs were: Eve, Koss, Master of Whispers, Pyre and Dhuum – need the banscythe back vs botters!

Worst thing is, there is no “personality” option for your character thus you cant play a Eve for the DE (since they are pretty close to the 5 chosen, without logan ofc since he is a panzy).

Just to ask, why not just a unlimited use weapon skin of choice?
4 possible pre profession, you chose 2 of em:
Warrior – Greatsword, Hammer, Sword, Axe
Guardian – Hammer, Staff, Mace, Torch
Hunter – Longbow, Shortbow, Axe, Warhorn
Thief – Sword, Pistol, Dagger, Shortbow
Engie – 2 options for Pistol, Shield, Rifle
Mesmer – Greatsword, Scepter, Focus, Pistol
Ele – Dagger, Scepter, Focus, Staff
Necro – Staff, Axe, Scepter, Dagger

No whine about loot (since it should be hard to get not a, for now, 20 min turret segment after a lot of ranged auto attack spam and one interesting boss fight), who finishes personal story gets a special treat to be a bit more “unique” and no other type of gameplay rewards (i ended up building the golem just since a guildie was in WvWvW, and it honestly was a boring zergfest and the golem doesnt know how to move at more than 3 steps a minute… you outrun him even if you just walk).

Belian.7846:

In this case, it is more of the fact that particular skin is (apparently) only available in the story quest, not wanting to repeat story quests in general. It would be much simpler to make “story quest skin” items that are rare drops in the appropriate level range.

So far all of the personal story item skins can be gotten by crafting or karma vendors.

No, rezzing a dead person isnt (and shouldnt be) viable in dungeons (and i mean dead, not downed), thus making every dungeon you run with a guildie the first time a deathbed for everyone who didnt raid before… it would be the AQ40 resist potion grinds all over.

nachtnebel.9168:

Cause the first 4 trait lines are the same for each profession which makes it necessary to ensure that, no matter where you put your points, at least one of the stats is helpful.

Not true, look at guardian trait stat setup.

frOst.2198 – Maybe some people are into BDSM thus its ok for it to be masochistic?

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

At the moment, there’s no way to go back and repeat steps. It’s a popular request, but there are some technical issues that we’d need to solve first, so I don’t know if/when it be added.

This would be a massive missed opportunity for either making the home instance actually usable or the Eye of the North scyring pool (it would be kitten that the “soul descendants” of our heroes from GW could also use it, but just to look at the past (and maybe even make the bigger ones still give a bit of karma or something if we redo them in a different way).

Evil Penguin.2874 – already noted, before, but the thing is since it also increases how much life force you get back, it probably was intended to heal your real hp while you are in DS.

Looking epic with Flame legion mask and god karma gear!
Seriously why does it kittenize “Bada2s”?

Already sent a report, but i cant sell items over the TP anymore (get error on sell) and when i wanted to buy 100 Gossamer Bolts it just took the money, but no items came up on the pick up tab… (not much a problem with the money being gone, but the items) since it took 100 off the listing when i refreshed).

Nemesis.8593:

Your path seems more viable for PvP rather then PvE (because you don’t need such complicated maneuvers for PvE, mobs are not such sneaky kittens), i haven’t gone into PvP tutorials yet… because it has way more depth then PvE and i have not yet mastered it, but i will… soon…
Also… i’ll test what you said today, if it’s true that’s a major bug, can’t be working as intended… i’ll stack everything then

Works only with one sigil (at least it did, didnt try for a longer amount of time since i found em pretty useless, now gonna get the luck ones) and only in pve, thus i dont think that its a bug.

Kayotik.5790:

I definitely like the direction of this build. Regardless of the skepticism I may have, I do have a couple suggestions.

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Bone minions can also be used in a dark field such as Well of Corruption, Power, or Suffering for an AoE blind. This can also be said for Putrid Mark while using staff. You can produce a similar, more reliable effect that can also add benefit offensively.

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The extra 5% power converted to healing trait in spite seems pretty useless here. On a low-power based build, where you do not benefit from dagger main-hand life siphon, and no cool-down reduction or larger marks from staff, you may be getting an extra 100 hit points every 32 seconds.

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On a build not reliant on life force usage or generation, or even crit damage, the 5 points in soul reaping also seems rather fruitless. Instead, you could either remove the points entirely, or go 10 points deep to pick up the cooldown reduction on spectral wall. Yet again, you’d be placing points into SR without benefiting largely.

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Boon duration seems somewhat pointless to specialize in on a necromancer. The only boons we can use are might (which you have not specced into), fury (which you have also not specced into), and of course protection, which lasts a very short duration of 3 or 5 seconds (10 seconds if you step into the wall twice) for a total bonus of 3 extra seconds of protection out of every 30.

In summation, the defensive aspect of the build looks interesting… but it’s effectiveness is questionable.

IF you put it in a straight up fight situation, true, but try placing the necro as a point holder if your guardian and engie are needed on other spots, it becomes pretty efficient (even if im still on a debate between the minions and one well since they are pretty unreliable on swarms to run into the wall – if you spawn em in the wall, they dont cause the combo field effect most of the time, same as placing the wall onto somone, if he doesnt leave and you putrid him, most of the time, no effect on you despite shooting giant claws onto the enemy from 200 range).
Overall thing is it works better than full on MM, conditionmancers than dont go glass cannon and blood focused setups.

Charr are secular (by part Nay Theist since Pyre – tv trope this) , Humans polytheistic, Sylvari monotheistic, Norn shamanistic and Asura a weird combination of monistic and agnostic.

Mathemagician.7314:

I really like this concept behind this.

In its current state, it doesn’t seem terribly effective in sPvP; for example, in the first skirmish at graveyard, you weren’t able to boon up / assist your teammates enough to keep them from being downed by the enemy team; it looked like it was either 3v3, 3v4(their favor), or 4v4.

Another thing I’m not liking is thekitten ai that bone minions exhibit; they can’t reliably combo with ethereal wall. Which is upsetting. They need to gave us a reliable nova to blast combo with. Until such time, I suspect Well of Darkness to blind would probably be a better defensive tool than bone minion for Chaos Armor as a defensive tool.

I’m not sure if it’s better than the run of the mill wells bunker build, but it’s definitely different, and I definitely like the idea. Thanks for sharing!

Bone minions are there to be summoned while defending, putrid mark is a much better option for straight up fights.

Mindx.9610:

do u go 10 in spite 10 in curses? I’m thinking of going Axe/focus for the boon strip chill and regen but then i lose out on condition removal, the plague seems interesting and il make sure to give it a try although i like the control golem enables but yes plague would be just as good

http://tinyurl.com/2WellPvP – right now
IF necro wouldnt be so bugged go full 30 into Death magic and then 10 into Curse for Chilling Darkness for Plague of Darkness, swap solider for cleric amulet and reverse for gem and Path of Midnight over Spectral master because a 600 radius 3500 heal (right now transfusion is bugged and doesnt scale the life transfer heal so its around 2600).

In terms of runes, Dolyak is too weak (30 hp pre second but doesnt scale and doesnt work while in DS thus kinda useless), Monk was nice, especially the boon duration, but i just like chill more, Ice works great if the enemy has a lot of squish, but i am biased because Grenth is kitten, Lich works great too, but i already hate that the enemy has Reanimator minions to rally by… (would be rune of choice if minions didnt rally and traits worked).

Right now Dagger works wonders, but it is true that swapping to axe/focus will probably be better post trait fix.

And thus everyone gets to know a setup almost identical to the one i have been using (only Plague as ulti since golem tends tokittenfor me and i like the toughness, dagger warhorn instead of Axe Dagger with runes of grenth and sigil of hydromancy to almost permachill the enemies – weapon swap, heal, chillblains and if it would work chilling darkness with plague form).

Yes, you can unequip the weapon from the character overall, the sigil stacks do remain (that does mean you will have to have another weapon, to a total of 5 or 6 weapons depending if you use a two handed or 2 pairs of one handers) because they are effects.
E.g. kill 25 things with, lets say, a dagger with the superior sigil of luck, put it in your inventory and there, the stacks stay (till you go downed that is).

Also ii find that a lot of the times opening with BiP, DS-Dark Path, Chillblains, Putrid, swap to dagger is really worth it because of the fast life force generation and enemy being chilled, bleeding and weakened (then again i go with a DS and 2 well focused build for aoe farming, boons and team support).

A few things:
Skills that have Damage (x number) means that its the total damage but over that many ticks
Dagger can be a opener because of Death Shrouds Dark Path or Spectral Grasp (into Warhorn daze and then immobilize if in pvp)
Superior Sigil of Corruptions stacks stay on the character even if the weapon isnt equiped, letting you get a Superior Sigil of Agony