Guild Wars 2

Xenesis.6389:

There’s been a problem brewing on sor for some time, it just hadn’t reared it’s ugly head before the season started but it’s something I noticed as the weeks went by, a certain attitude from sor guilds and and sor commanders. Last week “for the fights” mantra I kept hearing really made me disappointed in sor as well. Look, every player and guild has the right to play the game however they want, I’ve been a part of guilds like that, but there is a time and place for these things.

We all have had an entire year to go around to just “for the fights!” and not worry about the scoreboard, the moment we started the season that should have been put aside until certain things happened. When we’re far ahead or behind in score with no chance of the score flipping towards the end of the week, hey forget the siege and go for the fights, no one would have a problem with that.

The first three days of a match up when we’re all fighting to take the lead put your efforts before yourselves and do something for your server, get the points from ppt or grab the orb buff and get to stomp. If you can’t find it in yourself to help your server win a match up in a season then please get off the top 3 servers where everyone went to get the top competition. You can find fights just as well fighting on the other side and arrange your gvg’s as well if that’s your thing.

It’s sad that sor is not motivated by the season, servers like maguuma and sos fought and stayed in gold league while others may have tanked, even though they have no chance to compete in it. I’m glad they’re making a wvw overflow map, a lot of guilds are going to fit right in there, no points for the server, plenty for yourselves, and nothing but fights.

Sor is self destructing because of the guilds, some of them are unwilling to play with others, they pull good players from the server into their guild and then play among themselves. I’ve heard commanders sound disgusted they have too many pugs with them, some will do things to shake them off, some commanders are unwilling to work with pugs at all, which I think is very important to maintaining numbers on your side.

If you are not out there leading whether we’re winning or losing with the pugs they will give up wandering around aimlessly getting slaughtered. But I suppose that’s what you want right? well 12:30pm on a saturday outmanned on a bl, the pugs have already given up and the ap hunters are gone so who’s left to fill the space?

Now you guilds have what you wanted, an open queue and a ton of bg to fight, but the price? There is hurt pride and broken morale all in the name of just looking for fights to fill your bags up, and it’s only week 3 of 7 where we were expected to compete for first, instead what’s left of the season is talk of waiting to 2v1 with jq on bg on week 7, so I guess we should just get the karma train running for 4 weeks huh.

I know commanding the pug zerg can be trying on the nerves, but if you want better players you need to train and lead them, all I ever hear is blame being set on them for anything that goes wrong. Even the week before the season I mentioned in chat that commanders should be out and leading, and yet I got back the “it’s training week for guilds” that attitude was bound to bite us back.

Then I constantly hear well bg has two times our numbers, of course they do they use their pugs, you fight with your minimum numbers and claim to have better skill but unless the lag and skill lag goes away completely, or you have more skillful players than the other side then it means nothing, numbers will crush you and be available at more places than you can be at once. Your pugs will also not get better if you keep throwing them to the wolves, ridicule them, and blame them for everything.

As an SBI player, I can actually relate. Our first match, against FA, we had this problem. I actually heard a commander on TS talking as he tagged down because he didn’t want any pugs to follow him. So, we had almost all of FAs BL at that time. Within 10 minutes of him tagging down, we had only 1 tower.

Communication was horrible that first week, and there was plenty of “for the fights” crap that people who are losing spew. The reality is, the season is a competition, and you are supposed to fight to win.

And, people really forget that they were new to WvW at one point, or even that they were pugs at one point. Commanders are more important for pugs than they are for guild groups. Commanders need to organize and COMMAND your forces. If you don’t understand that (and the fact that the pugs are on your server, which means they are part of your force), then you need to step down as being a commander.

Just give up on it. They know it is broke, so they are creating a whole new system, that deals with an overflow map.

That should tell you that their tech for the queue is so broke, that it isn’t even worth spending the resources on fixing it.

Miggz.8213:

jaif.3518:

If the only choice is to leave the community that I know, then I’ll just leave the game.

I don’t see why so many of you are so callous about this. A lot of people had a good thing going, logging in and having fun with people and situations they knew. That’s been destroyed by these changes.

Got to agree. Also reading through this I see a lot of ignorance towards “t1” servers and queues. You know hundreds of players had no idea JQ, BG, SoR would be t1 when they rolled there at launch. I understand some hate for transfers and what they have done to the queues, but to peg all the people in here that complain about the queue times is foolish.
I am glad many of you don’t have the 2 to 5 hour EB queues, but for us that have been “original” server members and did not just transfer in, I’m not server hoping to another server and leaving the ability to WvW with my guild/friends.

At launch, SoR wouldn’t even have dreamed of being number 1. BG wasn’t there either. Over the course of several months, with people transferring, and people quitting the game, and people quitting WvW, BG and SoR climbed up to number 1.

I would say that a lot of the current JQ, BG, and SoR WvW players weren’t there at launch.

And don’t forget about all the transfers before and during the season that are making those rankings worthless. It feels like an NBA league, where unfair trades happen during the course of the season that tends to benefit better teams, and hurt the weaker teams even more.

Us on SBI will be green the entire season. We noticed the imbalances in our match up with FA and DB, but since then the imbalance hasn’t really affected us because we outnumber the other servers we have played. It will probably be a factor once we face kittenain, and it might even be a factor when we have the Borlis Pass and Dragonbrand match up.

The way I look at it is that the guild was gonna move, and if a server is willing to pay for the transfer costs, then they are gonna benefit from moving even more. It is the freedom of the guild players to move, and the freedom of the server to offer to pay for the move.

Is it right or wrong? Who are we to judge that? We all bought the game, and we all have the same freedom to move.

Me, I have server loyalty. I have never transfered from a server in any mmo (except when the servers were merged).

Banzie.5248:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Furiousbeard.7602:

I think SBI will beat YB but only due to coverage. It will be a close one for you guys. YB is probably #3 in Silver by the end of the 7 weeks.

Well i thought this match would be a bit closer, but obviously the SBI numbers are swelling with fairweathers.

That and theres been talk of them getting more xfers recently cause people dont give a kitten about leagues anymore.
(Dont know if true rumors or false ones)

Maybe they are coming to use from SoR, cause man…that server has been getting hammered the past 2 weeks. Lost by 80k last week, and BG looks like they will roll them by more than 150k this week.

Banzie.5248:

Eis.6984:

I suspected IoJ was in the wrong tier, but I didn’t know how wrong it was until this week. Ouch

We’d be far more on par with both your servers if people didnt leave Thursday before leagues. We probably could have won quite a few matches if those guilds hadnt left and with the amount of PvE players we’ve recruited and turned into WvWers recently.

Yep, those are the true bandwagon guilds. Once they knew that the league would be 6, 9, 9, and knew IoJ wasn’t gonna get first, they bolted (core being the true bandwagon heading to FA).

But, that is their right, and I hope they are enjoying their new homes.

I feel sorry for you, IoJ, and how you have to suffer in silver league. When it is over, atleast you will have some good matches with the bronze league servers.

Try to enjoy the rest of the week, IoJ, and the rest of the season. Sadly, you have to face FA twice.

JaredKincade.9761:

Yes, I am from BG.

The point of the thread (which I posted within an hour of them releasing the schedule) was to have the schedule IMMEDIATELY changed. It was not.

So what is left is an unfair situation for all T1 servers. (Yes I know its more unfair for T2, but that can’t be helped by ANET, the other could have been)

What has happened is that both SOR and BG knew that if we didn’t push JQ to third place in Week 1, then they almost assuredly win. That’s unfair for all three servers.

BG won its first duel against SOR, and is on track for a 2nd, (But there is a long long way to go yet). Depending on how duel 2 and 3 go between SOR and BG, season 1 may come down to the JQ vs BG match. And then things will get really interesting for week 7 where its possible the only undecided place will be for 2nd.

To the SOR who used this thread to chest bump and tell BG they will destroy us in all three of our duels…I say, you were mistaken.

This thread is supposed to be about ANETs complete bungle of the season 1 schedule. Next time it should not be announced. It would have been better for everyone.

No, it wouldn’t be better unannounced. Some of us (myself included) posted threads asking if we could get the schedule for the season.

I don’t know of any league, where the teams didn’t want to know their schedules.

As far as the schedule goes, this is what you get with 6 team leagues. You aren’t playing each other every week, you are gonna have to deal with that, and with 2 match ups, someone is gonna get 1 more round of t2, in the 7 week season. Seriously, people here cry too much.

Maybe we should have just went with the 12 team leagues. Thank goodness it wasn’t 4 leagues of 6 teams, or there would be more people QQing over schedules.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

1- There really is just no reason to have a bronze league. Maybe in gold league where most all the servers have queues all the time on all the maps the matches might be interesting. In bronze league though the difference in population/coverage from the bottom of bronze league ranking servers and the top of bronze league ranking servers is insane. Every match so far has had one server that could easily take on the other 2 servers combined. Just no real need to have a league to tell us Sorrows Furnace or Gates of Madness have more players than us. We know this that’s why there ranked way higher than us.

I don’t think you are following all of bronze league. Dark Haven and Furgesons Crossing have played the best match of the entire league (NA) so far. Dark Haven pulled out a 2k win right before reset. Was fun to follow that match on MOS.

Silver League has an insane population coverage as well. It is what it is.

And the problems are also in the gold as well. Look how SoR has been getting pounded.

So far, each league has only 2 viable teams that can compete…. JQ, BG…..FA, SBI…HoD, SF.

root.9415:

Gunna have to rate a big fat 1 here. The only thing wrong is the queues really, but on my crappy mexican dsl internet with bi hourly disconnects the queues are game breaking for me. And as someone who WvWs almost exclusively there really isnt much else to do while I’m waiting in queue… sometimes I go champ farming while waiting, now they’ve nerfed that too.

It’s pretty disheartening when your server is losing by vastly superior numbers while half your guild sits in queue watching the ticks go by.

The only way this can be fixed is by allowing more people into WvW.

Allowing more in WvW would not help. The lag would be terrible, and the population imbalances would be even worse in a lot of match ups.

Sadly, you are stuck in the deal with the queues, or transfer category. Kind of sucks, but the season has surely brought out a lot more people.

I’ll tell you how the queue system works…..

It doesn’t.

They are fixing it with the overflow maps.

Making a whole new map is time consuming, and to think that that was easier for them to do than to fix the queue system.

As I have stated on another post. The schedule doesn’t matter. What matters is that you win your matches.

College sports are notorious for having teams who go unbeaten with easier schedules that win the championship. The key is to win your matches.

BG is the favorite by far. If they beat JQ one more time, then they have it locked.

I think JQ is gonna spank SoR, so it is only between JQ and BG, and BG has a major advantage so far (and they supposedly have the harder schedule and are crying about it).

SoR, you don’t have any right to cry anymore. You got blown out last week, and it looks like it is gonna happen again this week. The schedule didn’t cost you the season.

Who cares about the schedule. If you take care of your business you will win. So far, BG is looking like they are gonna get it. Unless JQ beats them twice, BG should win.

I think JQ is gonna spank SoR, just like BG has been doing. Kind of sad to see SoR fall apart as they have.

Just like in the NFL, the schedule is the schedule. You have to win who is on it. Some teams have easier ones, and some have harder ones. Same with college football. Just win out, and quit crying about the schedule.

Silver, 9

The reality is, the RNG gave us the same match ups. It is fun to see the scoring system play out in the standings. I also enjoyed seeing Dark Haven edge out Furgesons Crossing.

Watching t1 implode and QQ has been very entertaining too.

I really like the scoring system better than the Glico junk. Some achievements that are actually attainable has been good too. I am getting closer to that 5.5k achievement chest thanks to the WvW achievements.

I also have enjoyed the amount of people showing up to WvW. Reset night kind of sucks for queues, but no matter the match up, it is a very fun night. Even our Blowout of EB and NSP last week, had a fun reset.

We are only in the 3rd week, and we will see some good matches and bad ones along the way. I really can’t wait to see how this ends.

Man, I am hoping that SoR can get their stuff back together. I am not even in t1, but I enjoy the fact that their are 3 servers that can actually compete for #1.

From an outsiders perspective, I am not used to seeing SoR getting spanked. Getting closer to t1.5 status.

I’m pullin for you SoR.

Also, SoS, you should rally all the people you can. You have a great chance at nabbing an upset like Darkhaven did last week. Get yourself 3 points instead of 1 this week, and it might go along way in the overall standings.

Some people are talking about how anet should have locked transfers when seasons started, but it is good that they didn’t. Some people did transfer off because of queues, and, in my opinion, I believe that is a valid reason for people to transfer.

cobracommander.5861:

It’s so fun to troll you sensitive types. <3 you all.

Gonna bring out all your PvE guilds in our rematch?

Well, their are karma trains, especially during the off hours coverage. But, even in some of the lopsided matches, you still can have some pretty good fights during prime time. I guess, that depends on the match as well.

EB usually always has good fights during prime time.

Did SoR lose a lot of people? Last week they got killed, and this week they are looking even worse.

cobracommander.5861:

SBI: you’ve already lost this matchup to YB. You just don’t know it yet.

You know, this is rather funny. YB had the lead on FA last week, almost all Saturday, until FA was able to reclaim it at night and never let go.

We have a 10k lead on YB on Saturday so far. I wonder why someone from FA would even want to predict us losing at this point, considering we are outperfroming what their server did.

aspirine.6852:

They could cancel the last 3 servers and join them with others. And anet wont do that because that would mean admitting a failing population on these servers.

There are more to the servers than just WvW. How is the PvE population on the server, or even the population as a whole? Especially during primetime?

How are the populations of the other servers during primetime? They might not want to merge these last 3 servers, due to the overall population, of all the servers, not just the WvW population.

Ok, seriously, I am losing a lot of respect for t1 servers, because of these forums. Almost all the threads are someone from a t1 server crying about something.

Next time get the number one seed, and you would get 3 easy weeks instead of JQ.

Doesn’t really matter, JQ lost their opening match, and if they lose to BG or SoR when they face them again, then it is over for them.

BG is by far the favorite now. SoR can’t complain about the schedule if they aren’t even going to be competitive against BG.

Need more Koreans.

Kerushi.7609:

No Q on NSP. But I think that has more to do with the fact that we are completely out manned by SBI than the new patch.

Sorry about that. Hopefully, you guys will have more fun next week.

deathTouch.9706:

Make maps much bigger, spread out objectives to a much greater degree and remove WPs.

There, zerg problem solved.

You know, some people like the zerg. Some people like the big battles. If we wanted to run in small groups all the time, or have small battles, we would sPvP. The huge fights in WvW are exciting.

Why is everyone trying to kill the zerg?

style.6173:

There is another thread on this, but I’ll summarize it. Most people think it is a really bad idea. ANET is the exception and the only vote that counts though.

The real question is….how did they end up in the mists?

Svarty.8019:

Forum moderators, can you please move this to the bugs forum please? This is a huge bug that needs urgently looking into.

We felt this last week against FA as well. This is a bug that does need fixed. We were green as well.

The OP is on FA. FA has a good afternoon presence, and that is how they got past SBI. We need some european guilds to fill that time slot, or more unemployed gamers.

They won the 48 hours against us (barely), and tuesday afternoon is when they stormed us and we never caught back up. We actually lowered their 16k lead to 3k before that happened.

So, if they scored twice, FA would (counting just what has occured in the leagues so far), they would have 5 points for last weekend, 5 points for last week, 5 points for this weekend.

It sounds good in theory, but some servers (like maguuma), do not show up during the weekends as much as they do during the week.

Talindra.4958:

as a loyal player of gw2 and been supporting the game quite a bit, I beg you anet, please make achievements that tie with future Seasons for wvwvw to be “Optional”. Meaning if you have two living story components, one from pve and another for wvwvw. Please cap the maximum achievement points which players are able to do — once the cap reached, no further achievement points be rewarded eventho we are completing others available achievements from the list.

Say for example we have;

(a) 20 acehivements to do in the list from Season 2 (total need to be done for final reward is 15 acheivements)

(b) 20 achievements to do in the list from PvE (total need to be done for final reward is 15/15 achievements)

Capping total achievement points earn-able at say 200, it allows player to can get this 200ap from either (a) or (b) OR pick any from both (a&b)- up to players’ choice. Please do not make it such that players feel the need to get them completed just because of the achievement points grind.. bcos it is not fun. and players should not criticise how others like to play their game because everyone plays their game differently. and each players opinion on how they like to play their game is valid and equaly important for Anet to fine tune their game and what they can offer us. i think my voice is valid.

They need to make the achievements more difficult. 7 weeks to complete these, lol. They also should make them to where the pve players would have to contribute to the battle. The jumping puzzle addition made absolutely no sense.

sendaf.8375:

I literally had never heard of wvw queues before they started talking about the new map… Sometimes playing on Fergusson’s Crossing has its advantages

Queues are there to ensure the game is playable and not a lag fest (although it sometimes happens, rarely on FC)

If queues bother you that much then transfer to a low pop server, WvW is still exciting and challenging in lower tiers and everything you do is THAT much more important (there is no horde of guys behind u to carry kittens)

pay no attention to t1 fools complaining. Some people don’t quite understand the cause and effect relationship.

At the start of leagues I kind of felt sorry for t1 people, but that sympathy is starting to wain. They recruited tons of people to their server, and now it is hard to play. Everyone but them, saw this coming. They also wanted a league all to themselves. They also are complaining about JQ’s easier schedule.

The only thing they are complaining about, that I see is a valid point, is the lag. That needs fixed. No, JQ got the easier schedule cause they were the number 1 seed.

It is also not just the NA t1 players, but the EU t1 players complaining. It just seems that all the crybabies have transferred to t1, and kitten ed in the milk of the non crybabies that reside on those servers.

zhonnika.1784:

Andrew Clear.1750:

zhonnika.1784:

Do not want a season 2. Want to go back to just beating the snot out of each other simply for the thrill of doing so, and not people losing their minds over a gold dolyak finisher.

You guys imploding cause of round 1? You have plenty more weeks to go to still win this thing.

Imploding o.o LOL No, this has nothing to do with winning or losing, I just feel the whole league is bad idea. I’d feel the same even if we did manage to win. We don’t need rewards, and achievement hunters. I just want to kill stuff

Then go out an keep killing

I like the leagues, because I like the new overall scoring system. The 5/3/1 is much better than the RNG Glico system. I just can’t wait to see how the overall rankings will be when it is all over.

Sirendor.1394:

Andrew Clear.1750:

BBMouse.6510:

Yeah my server is NA mid server who have been double teamed by nature (This should happen in EU I imagine) on week 1 and I imagine it will remain this way for the rest of the weeks.

The bigger server focuses on the 2nd place server because it has much resistance. The weaker server doesn’t want to get attention from the big server and always go pull the 2nd place server leg. This results in those 2 server occupy our BL 247 and the weaker server bl remain intact. And at the mid of the matchup we dropped to 3rd place. But our resistance is still high, so our bl is occupied by them 247 till the end. Do we indeed deserve the 3rd place fighting 2 servers?

This week is the same as last week. We are 2nd atm, and I don’t know how long we will remain 2nd. So at the end of the 7 weeks, if we are 3rd place for all matches, are we really conclused bad server? What is this league trying to prove? To tell us to transfer to big servers/bottom servers for easy wxp/AP?

Well, your tactics aren’t that great. If they are double teaming your BL, abandon it. Go take the 3rd place servers BL, and then come back and work on getting some of yours back.

Haha. You really are idealistic. Do you really think that if your enemies have superior numbers on one map, they won’t on others? Bad logic. Most servers in the current match-ups that have low pop vs. a high pop server are outmanned on every borderland and eternal.

You weren’t talking about 1 server having superior numbers, you were talking about 2 servers double teaming your BL. I merely stated that you go to the server that should finish third, and take their crap, and then go back to yours. I used to see CD do this alot during the day, in order to maintain their PPT.

zhonnika.1784:

Do not want a season 2. Want to go back to just beating the snot out of each other simply for the thrill of doing so, and not people losing their minds over a gold dolyak finisher.

You guys imploding cause of round 1? You have plenty more weeks to go to still win this thing.

Why is it that the EU servers are complaining the most? On the NA side, it is mainly just the stacked t1 servers complaining about everything.

BBMouse.6510:

Yeah my server is NA mid server who have been double teamed by nature (This should happen in EU I imagine) on week 1 and I imagine it will remain this way for the rest of the weeks.

The bigger server focuses on the 2nd place server because it has much resistance. The weaker server doesn’t want to get attention from the big server and always go pull the 2nd place server leg. This results in those 2 server occupy our BL 247 and the weaker server bl remain intact. And at the mid of the matchup we dropped to 3rd place. But our resistance is still high, so our bl is occupied by them 247 till the end. Do we indeed deserve the 3rd place fighting 2 servers?

This week is the same as last week. We are 2nd atm, and I don’t know how long we will remain 2nd. So at the end of the 7 weeks, if we are 3rd place for all matches, are we really conclused bad server? What is this league trying to prove? To tell us to transfer to big servers/bottom servers for easy wxp/AP?

Well, your tactics aren’t that great. If they are double teaming your BL, abandon it. Go take the 3rd place servers BL, and then come back and work on getting some of yours back.

alenaoreo.5206:

Obviously, this isn’t specific to HoD, but if you’d like our server to take note of it more, try posting this as a thread on the HoD website. I know a lot of people just don’t read around official forums because of all the QQing from the people who just like to complain lol.

And there sure is alot of QQing on these forums.

Uruzet.1723:

Dear Arena Net,

I play off-peak hours and queue for a border I think will have the shortest queues. I get late mornings to early evening off from work and this used to be fine for getting into WvW. But I’ve not played WvW now for nearly a week since the leagues started because I can not get on a border.

The thing is, most of my WvW focussed guild can not enter a border either and we’re stuck wasting our time stood about waiting for the queue to pop. We only play GW2 for the high-end, top tier WvW experience.

Something needs to happen soon to help queues. I can tolerate super lag and insane blobs. Just get me on a border QQ…

All the best and hoping for speedy progress on the overflow map, I think that may and quench my addiction for WvW and keep me from losing my sanity.

Regards

Uruzet

Nothing is gonna happen during the league time. So, again, the only option is to transfer or deal with it.

On SBI, we don’t have queues on all maps during off peak hours, so I don’t understand why your server does.

Man, people complain too much. Just play the game and have fun. Even when I am at +90, I find a way to have fun. +500, is much harder to find a way to have fun.

Tallis.5607:

It’s indeed… how to put this diplomatically… not very smart to make up a Schedule were we, on Tarnished Coast, are not green for SEVEN WHOLE WEEKS.

I don’t know who made up this Schedule nor who approved it, but I doubt they thought it through. 10 extra minutes of work would have prevented this, just 10.

Who cares about the color. SBI is green the whole time, who cares.

C Gunner.9406:

Stormbluff Isle dominating everything, nearly wp’s in every keep. Thanks for the 1 sided matchup anet!

This is the blow out week. In silver the schedule is 7v11v15, 8v12v13, and 9v10v14.

Again, SBI gets an easier draw cause we are the #1 seed. DB got the harder one being the number 3 seed.

I think we need to stop complaining. This isn’t much different than the RNG matches, and the scoring is much better than the Glicko scoring.

Avatara.1042:

You did not even attempt to give fair draws AND you did not even attempt to balance out red/blue/green starting positions. Was the 10 minutes it would take too much for you?

For example, JQQ has an easier draw and is green all seven weeks.

JQ was the number 1 seed, so they are gonna get the easier schedule. You guys really can’t be that stupid. Have you ever noticed in playoffs, and tournament the number 1 seed always plays the weaker seeds.

SBI has the easier schedule in Silver, etc, etc.

The thing is, don’t worry about that and win the matches that are in front of you. BG and SoR, you guys need to stop complaining. You already handed them a loss in round 1, so you have the upper hand right now.

Your destiny is in your hands, not the schedules.

Yeah, it was awhile ago. I hate seeing servers drop like that due to transfers, but players will be players.

I find it odd for your server, because it happened well before we heard anything about leagues.

Julie Yann.5379:

Hopefully never

Aren’t you a downer.

I am loving season 1. Hope season 2 isn’t too far away.

This happens to us a lot, and we do it some too. I find it more fun when the lord is raised. It makes the battles last longer and they can be more epic too.

Opc.4718:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Svarty.8019:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Svarty.8019:

xok.2915:

7+ hours on queue @ WvWvW ! unacceptable !!!!

The refusal of zerglings to transfer is what exaccerbates the problem with the current system.

Agreed. So, they either deal with it or transfer. Anet isn’t going to give people priority access. They are not gonna up the map limit. They are giving an overflow map at the beginning of the year. So, wait, or transfer.

That capitulation map is a mistake that validates hanging around on a “winningest” server. Why be on any of the others?

It could also hurt server scores as well, if people prefer to fight in it over the main BL. Being able to enter it, when no map is queued, is a mistake as well.

I assume they have their reasons for this stuff.

I like it, sometimes I just want to go around and kill people rather than PvD PvD PvD all the kitten time you know.

That said, if you don’t like the queues, come to a low tier server Like AR for example, where queues are just a myth.

I remember when we (SBI) used to face AR. It is a shame that people left and you guys dropped. I liked fighting you guys.

Ricky.4706:

if wvw was expected and intended to be unbalanced, then why add a score ?
- from this perspective the best score represents the most dysfunctional and delusional groups that insist on placing value on the score.

Perhaps it was part of a psychological experiment ?

“Let’s play a game of “How Stupid are you ?” … this is a hammer, and that’s your hand….every time you bash your hand you will scream in agony and score a point…….50 points will get you a brand new shiny set of bandages….the first 3 people to get 50 points will also get a bonus prize of salt to place on your wounds!! …..Ready?? Go!!"

You add a score so that everyone can contribute, 24/7. Seriously, the game still exists when you are logged off. Do those players, the ones that are playing when you aren’t, not exist? Should they not have a say in the score, just like you do when they aren’t playing?

Again, the coverage is the issue that people complain about. You just need more of the people who play at that time, to play in WvW.

If they would’ve setup the servers like FFXI did, which had no regional servers, then the coverage issue wouldn’t be so bad. All servers would have a nice NA presence, EU presence, and SEA / Oceanic presence.

Svarty.8019:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Svarty.8019:

xok.2915:

7+ hours on queue @ WvWvW ! unacceptable !!!!

The refusal of zerglings to transfer is what exaccerbates the problem with the current system.

Agreed. So, they either deal with it or transfer. Anet isn’t going to give people priority access. They are not gonna up the map limit. They are giving an overflow map at the beginning of the year. So, wait, or transfer.

That capitulation map is a mistake that validates hanging around on a “winningest” server. Why be on any of the others?

It could also hurt server scores as well, if people prefer to fight in it over the main BL. Being able to enter it, when no map is queued, is a mistake as well.

I assume they have their reasons for this stuff.

Junkpile.7439:

Why count points then? Remove score or make it fair.

Life isn’t fair, the sooner people deal with that, the better. Also, people really don’t want fair, they really only want what is in their best interest. That is what being a human is all about. We are not an alturistic species.

Now, the scoring system is fair. NA primetime people on NA servers are gonna complain it isn’t fair. EU primetime on EU servers as well. But, the reality is, that people do play this game when you are not logged in. Their contributions need to count toward the score as well. it is World vs World vs World. Everyone on that world has the same opportunity to play and make a difference for their world.

People want to cut the oceanics and sea time players out of the mix. Or the college / stay at home parents / unemployed gamers as well.

Maybe, we should try to get more of our communities involved in WvW, especially in the off hours, instead of complaining that the game is unfair, or even complaining that PvE players don’t belong in WvW.

Julie Yann.5379:

Samhayn.2385:

The “fairness” of wvw comes from the simple fact every server has access to the same thing.

you can’t balance a three way fight, be it servers, factions and guilds. Mainly because you can’t make people show up and fight. Well people like to blame others for stacking, really that’s a lame excuse. You can’t blame people who enjoy wvw and fighting in wvw for moving to servers where they will always have a fight.

Don’t blame the guys who moved, blame the ones that paid them to do it and the ones that designed it.

Don’t blame anyone. It was their decision to move. Whatever happened to freedom of choice?