Guild Wars 2

Reverence.6915:

Announce season 4 already ANet! That will sort out a lot of things wrong with Gold tier NA very very quickly, for Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3!.

As much as I hate seasons, I think for the current situation, it’ll help more than hinder!

This would do it, 1 t2 server would most likely implode. Hopefully it will be a 6 week season. 8 and 9 was too long, but 4 was too short.

Lord Kuru.3685:

First of all, this is NOT a matchup thread. It address the general problem of T2/T3 matchups.

The four servers ranked 4 – 7 have fewer than 20 ratings points between them. The server ranked 8th has more than 250 ratings points fewer than these four.

This means that every week, one of the four is set up with two servers that are extremely overmatched. And because of the small ratings gap between them, it’s basically a toss-up which one of the four gets a boring week.

There is something that players can do to fix this problem: choose one of the four and focus it every single week until its ratings drop to the point that it has significantly more chance of ending up in the T3 matchup.

Which one should be sacrificed? Maybe the one who tower-humps the most? Maybe the one who has the most rude players? Maybe the one that emote-spams the most. It doesn’t matter… but make your alliance now or you may be the target.

TLDR: push one of the T2 servers permanently into T3 by focussing it every week. Within one month it will implode and fall permanently out of T2.

Will not work. The T2 server will gain more in Glicko off the blowout of the T3 servers, than it will lose by the double team.

T1 will not change until a T2 server gets to 2000k glicko….but they are too busy wanting to implode each other, that it will not happen anytime soon.

grifflyman.8102:

I can tell you that FA outnumbers SBI pretty freaking badly. SBI is a rank 10 sever playing FA who’s a rank 4 server.

FA queues every map on reset, SBI only queues EB.

If Anet is going to force servers into kitten matches vs. server that are in tier 1 they need to put some kind of balance system into the game.

Actually SBI queued EB, and SBI BL, and had 50 people on FA BL at one point. But, of course we can’t sustain those types of numbers for long. FA is a beast compared to us lowly t3 and below servers.

Or maybe some guilds or players should transfer to t3 servers instead of T1 / T2 and balance it out some, but until T3 servers pony up the gold to get the guilds, it isn’t going to happen. Sadly, T3 will remain broken, and only way it will get fixed is if a T2 server implodes.

can also talk to people on TS, sbi.bounceme.net, if you are looking for any information.

SBI is still around, in T4, thanks to a good core group of people who show up and have fun, no matter who we face. We have all sorts of play styles on the server, from roaming, to havok, to a few small guilds, and pug zergs. We have PPT minded, fight minded, and defense minded individuals.

I’ll be honest, we don’t have many WvW guilds, but the ones we have are very friendly, and work with our large pug base (which is a big part of our success). If you just want to have fun, and be part of a family that is tired of drama, then consider SBI as your future home.

DB has no issue with WvW population, and no disadvantage. Everyone below you has half your population.

People stack because they want those massive blob keep fights, or that they care about PPT and do not want to be the only people working toward it (or having no off hours presence).

Lopsided matches happen in T3, because everyone hops to T1/T2 not T3. Also, the servers in the top 7, all actively recruit, offer assistance to move guilds to their servers, etc, etc. They even actively recruit guilds off of the servers they face.

The lower tier servers have better matches, most the time, and the only tier that is truly broken is t3. Also, the RNG system is better than what used to exist, with you only facing the same server in your tier, and movement between tiers was very slow. A lot of stale matches then.

And to the person who suggested to remove servers altogether, then just play EoTM, your problem is solved. WvW is Server vs Server, which would be pointless without servers. There are not factions in the game.

What really needs done, is to merge about 6 low pop servers, offer free transfers off, and let them go where they want to go. But, those people like their servers, or like the play style down there. Not everyone wants to go 24/7 like T1/T2. It is a hard position for Anet, because there are still thousands of players outside of T1/T2, that they need to satisfy.

lol. Well, at least we will get some good fights this week, PPT is meaningless this week.

misterman.1530:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Confirmed, new map for WvW, Borderland rotation, core changes to WvW, including defense becoming more important.

I am hoping they somehow provide a handicap for vastly outnumbered servers. Otherwise, a new map is just something else we don’t have the numbers to cover.

From what I have noticed, below t3, all the close matches, are close because all 3 servers have different times when they are strong. Good balance for PPT, not so much for fights.

Ravezaar.4951:

by the time this Expansion is out Camelot Unchained would be moveing towards Beta and imho WvW will die in Gw2.

I have heard this several times on forums, and in game, about WvW dying because of X and X game (ie, Wildstar, Arche Age, ESO), and quite honestly, ArcheAge seems to have been the only game to actually really affect WvW. Mostly, people just stop playing GW2 over time, like any other mmo, and that is what is affecting WvW.

Assuming that Camelot Unchained is going to kill anything is assuming that it is a great game. Right now, no one knows if it is going to be good or bad. Too soon to call.

There are still too many players to stack just 3 tiers. I’m in T4, and at least on reset, we can still queue 2 maps, and almost a 3rd. During the week, we can’t queue that many, but still, add all them people, plus 14 other servers to 9 servers, and you will get a queue fest along the lines of launch.

Now, I do believe maybe the bottom 3 to 6 servers should be shuttered, and offered free transfers to the server of their choice. At the same time, people are still playing on these servers because they want to. They can’t say they can’t afford to transfer, because it isn’t impossible to farm gold and transfer. So, they like their community, and forcing them to move, so we can add more people to the higher tiers, is really unfair to them.

Let’s be perfectly honest here. How many guilds have moved up, from lower servers, to t1/t2, just to quit? They get burned out? Most of the guilds in the lower tiers, that have been there for years, are still having fun. The lower tiers have multiple play styles, we get zerg fights, guild fights, roaming, small groups, etc. More variety.

I’m sure, one day the lower servers will die, but til then, let them have fun. The top servers have plenty of people.

I was under the assumption that people liked EBG because of the constant battle, and that the BLs have less action on them.

Now, imo, the map design doesn’t bother me. It’s not hard to move around, although it was somewhat easier when there was just a huge lake in the middle of the BLs. But, the new BL map for WvW seems to be EoTM inspired, so it might make things interesting.

lil devils x.6071:

There is really no ’fix" for the lower tiers, and tbh, all the lower tier servers should be merged due to low population. If you want to actually have fun playing wvw transfer to T1.

JQ has an awesome community, people are genuinely nice, they don’t even usually spike so that everyone gets a chance, and commanders stop and rez people themselves. Less trolls and flaming here than any server I have been on thus far and are still highly competitive. People here come to play, are not afraid to take risks and have a fun while doing so. I thought it would just be all blobs before I came here, but it isn’t like that at all, even for roaming it is fun. I could still solo a T3 QL from BG the 2nd day I after I arrived, so T1 is still good for zerging and roaming, except here you have an actual team to play with that you don’t have in the lower tiers, and you don’t have whiny commanders yelling at people because they are not timing their skill calls instead of understanding what they have and how to utilize it properly.

They actually are creative with their commanding here, utilize all classes, and don’t complain about things that really do not matter.

Most of us on SBI are enjoying WvW in the lower tiers (or middle tiers, if you prefer). I doubt anyone is enjoying it in the t3 side (with the exception of k-trainers on the t2 reject of the week).

I do agree that some of the lower tiers servers should be shuttered, and only them offered free transfers to the server of their choice. Would they stack t1/t2 more? I don’t know, maybe, but I know I wouldn’t, because I do not like the queues on reset night.

Confirmed, new map for WvW, Borderland rotation, core changes to WvW, including defense becoming more important.

Well, they announced it as a Broderland map, and even mentioned Borderland rotation.

Also, Making defense more important, is a nice plus. But, I wonder how the GvG component being added to sPvP will affect WvW.

Sirendor.1394:

Xillix has a point there. If their servers can’t handle it, it’s their duty to make that they can, we paid/pay them for an AAA game.

AoE limit removal would make the combat better, because now small groups (<5) can still be hit by everyone who attacks them, but they can’t retaliate on everyone who’s attacking them, thus making small groups a lot less effective than big ones. So Aoe Cap removal will kill a lot of zergs.

It’s not only about the server hardware, but the code that is actually running on the server. Let’s put a worst case scenario for an example. Say you have all 3 servers, run into the same blob fight, of about 90 people each server. So, you would have to make 270 checks for 1 AoE, now, what if all 270 cast AoE at the same time? See how it can get out of control?

T3 hasn’t really been balanced since last year, around this time. At that time, SoS gained some guilds and moved up, SBI and YB (even EBay) had an exodus, and then SoR had a mass exodus. DB was then king of t3, while SBI was the punching bag, with BP and IoJ coming in some and getting beat up (and of course, SoR getting killed in that tier for a short time, inflating DB to Gold League, causing FA to have an exodus). It could’ve been balanced, except the tourney started and HoD shot up to the kingmaker position because of free transfers. Once the season was over, FA recruited a crap ton of guilds, making them the overpowered server, while HoD had their exodus. Eventually, YB got some guilds, SBI got a few guilds for a hot second, and CD got some guilds. T3 was competitive for a few months, then another exodus by SBI, season 3, more exodus, and here we are again, right back where we started.

PhaNTaSiZe.4215:

Also, I love Stash. Just saying.

Who doesn’t love Stash?

I’ve been on SBI since launch, and have been in the server during the ups and downs. I will just say, that if you want a server, where you can come out, and play your way, and have fun, then that is SBI.

We aren’t a server that is looking to jump up to T2 or T1. We just come out, have fun, and enjoy each other’s company (for the most part).

If you are looking for a hardcore home, you wont find that in SBI. We are very casual, and laid back. But we have one of the best militia’s in the game, and we can fight.

We don’t have large WvW guilds, we just have a WvW community. If that is the environment that you are seeking, then check us out.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Ezrael.6859:

The WvW team is actually one guy who usually works on the gem store, but occasionally during his free time he messes around with adding stuff to WvW.

1 year of development, a single siege mastery, 3 woooah colours for the commander tag and a 1200 range grenade that disables siege in a 450 radius. Haha.

Whoever thought it was a good idea to disable siege and buff golems does not play wvw

This is an awesome feature, except for K-Train zergs. This will allow a server to get defenders to the objective, and then a fight will ensue. Keep fights are awesome.

You all complain too much….’Nuff said.

That trick is going to be a game changer for a little while.

Great guild, I would recommend them.

Radioactive.1248:

lol sbi such fight focus many wow

Yeah, a lot has changed since you left SBI, but somethings didn’t. EB has been the #1 priority of the server (til HIRE came over recently). We run as pug zergs mainly, and we focus on fighting a lot.

I know many commanders, like Naz and Juggs, as well as Bannok, that love to fight.

We have a small dedicated group of homeland defenders, and we have to get EB to come help defend stuff from time to time.

We don’t seem to K-train as much as before, except in EB.

The biggest thing about SBI now, is the lack of drama, and people having fun. We also have come together more as a team, and the community is much stronger. HIRE fits great with our pug community, and it is fun to follow them around.

Gonna bump this one. Good group of people.

SBI is improving in coverage now, HIRE recently transferred here from TC, and it has been a perfect transition for us. We have the rep of being a pug server, and it is true, we run pug zergs. HIRE has been commanding and leading our well experienced pugs around and it has been a blast. People with positive attitudes, that like to come out and kill kitten for fun, should seriously consider SBI.

You can head on over to us, on SBI. We are a friendly community, that focuses on having fun. We have a lot of small guilds, and anyone is welcomed to command if they want to. We have a lot of pugs as well, but I don’t know if they would or would not join your guild (as many of them have been pugs for over a year now).

We have a community TS, that is used heavily for WvW (a lot of our pugs tend to use it as well).

If you are just looking to come out and have fun, and not feel pressured to win every week, then SBI is a good home for you. If you have questions you can send me a message back or find one of these people in game.

Aime Hiver
Naztharius
Marcus Dairy
Erikkos of Abyss
Slingblade
Bannok

Bumping, for some more shameless publicity for SBI.

Coverage etc, is not the same as the glicko formula.

Hell, when SoR had their exodus, and couldn’t compete for months, they were slowly…slowly dropping.

I still want to know why SBI si 9th, and YB is 8th, giving the fact that YB has only beaten SBI once since the season was over (and that was when we were paired with DB). In a match without the 7th server getting in the way, SBI beat YB. The glicko system is crap.

With that being said, it is interesting seeing how the T3-T5 have been changing since the season ended. CD did great last week, but they are probably burnt out after working that hard to win last week. DR is destroying Hod and BP. I wonder if HoD lost more people.

GoM did great at reset, but once they logged off, that was it for them. IoJ picked them clean, and then SBI took advantage of them as well. GoM doesn’t have the OCX/SEA for this match, but they are great fighters and I wish I could play more this week (kitten school), because it was a fun Friday night / Saturday morning.

NSP got beat by DH last week, but came out swinging hard in their match. Wonder if they can hold on and win this week. At this rate, season 3 is going to be interesting in silver and bronze (as long as we don’t get another free transfer fiasco again).

Keep it going strong. It is nice to see people not ashamed of their faith in a video game world full of haters.

Much respect from me.

Omega, every server has room for 10 more people. None are queueing all BLs every night these days.

I can say, that during season 2, FA was fun to fight, and they have some classy players. Like all other servers they have some non classy too. They have some good guilds, and the core (the people that didn’t bolt to gold league for season 2) are some pretty good folk. Some of their transfers I didn’t like, but they got FA back to gold, where they are doing well (and I hope Chaba and Delune are having fun up there).

I would say, head over to FA if you would like to go. They have a good NA, and they recruting some nice SEA coverage that allows them to be very competitive in t2.

If they are still on IoJ (I am on SBI, but been too busy to play much the last 2 weeks), I can say that the GvG scene in t3/t4 isn’t really the greatest. Actually might be better in T4.

T3 (atm) has DB, YB, and SBI (YB and SBI are more pug friendly servers, but have some guilds that gvg). T4 is CD, IoJ, and HoD (but that tier is going to change quickly). They all have some pretty good organized guilds, and I know CD has guilds that like to GvG.

GoM, (facing them this week), has a pretty good amount of guilds. I don’t know if they GvG though.

I don’t know all the guilds that are still on Mag, but a guild I remember facing a lot, VR, had some excellent backline players and strategy. If they are still around, you should try to get in with them.

VEX is a good guild. They were a rock during the season, and Aleman is a rock solid guy. You definitely will have fun if you join this guild.

SBI is still looking for some OCX/SEA players. We have plenty of competition during that time, with CD, DB, and IoJ the servers in our tier range. If you like fighting, having fun, and don’t like drama, then head on over to SBI and have some fun with us.

Bump. SBI is a really great home, with friendly people. No stressing or drama, just people having a good time together.

ninonybox.9601:

I just bought the game and joined this server, I’m exited!

Excited?

And, yeah, SBI is a great server. We do have a strong core that shows up and fights, even when the odds are stacked against us. FA can vouch for that.

We just like having fun and fighting other servers. If that is what you like, and you don’t want the stress of having to win every week, then come to SBI.

I believe kittens will be the same this week. FA will need to get to 1800 points to get that random.

Gundail.7594:

There’s a very real topic here that should be discussed but, this thread is probably going to get locked because you’ve chosen to accuse another server of actions you have no proof of. GW2wvw isn’t a credible source, not even close.

What has happened to HoD isn’t unique and Anet has yet again received a windfall of paid transfers after the fact. It’s all greatly impacted my game play. In a decidedly negative way. I wonder is the dollars coming in reaches their ears more sharply than the complaints on these forums?

I think with this past season, the ham-handedness of the free transfers might have actually cost them some pretty sizable player base in the end. But, I have no real data to back it up. It’s purely anecdotal. I know I’m having less fun when entire guilds have retired and I’m the only person in my guild logging in daily anymore. General feeling around the HoD natives is that the free transfers cost us much more than what a couple shiney weapons are worth.

Deserted WvW isn’t going to keep me around paying Gems for whatever doodad that gets released next. There’s nearly no sense of community left in the game. Just patches of nameless faceless players I’ll probably never see again. If this is the vision of the game going forward, I don’t think it’s going to be on my playlist much longer.

SBI has been hit with 2 exodus since the game went live, and a lot of us don’t really blame it on Anet. People buy this game, and if they chose to either pay real money to transfer, or farm a crap load of gold to transfer, then isn’t that their right? Why should anet keep players from enjoying the game the way they want to enjoy the game?

In the end, some people always think the grass is greener, but as in real life, they find that the new grass dies just like the old.

Pretty sure the rest of HoD isn’t going to follow the other guilds to FA. Some will. There will be people that stay on HoD, while some other guilds will not go to FA, because they resent the server falling apart because all those guilds jumped to FA.

They will probably head to T1, or other t2 servers. Maybe some might go to SBI or YB.

I’m shocked the implosion hit HoD as fast as it did. At the beginning of the season, I was thinking they would make it to T2, lose some, then implode. But, the implosion started during the season, after they already won. Their population dropped in WvW, and afterwards, FA was able to get one guild to come, and the rest followed.

I feel sorry for the core of HoD, that helped rebuild it from 23rd, up to 13, before the free transfers wrecked the server.

ykyk.2740:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Handin.4032:

Laylie.5703:

If all we get are the two traits that were already data mined then a lot of guilds will be leaving. Wvw as a whole is already on the verge of destroying quite a few guilds.

I’d say this. A decent chunk of my old guild (which was disbanded following seasons) left GW2 to go play Archeage. Why? Well, its free and has new content they can actually play, and new kinds of pvp they can play. It seems like gw2 is bleeding players and guilds in WvW, and my guess is all it will do is let anet actually use the excuse “Well theres so few of you, we can’t put out a lot of updates”

Players always come and go. They moved on to try a different game. Nothing anet does will keep every gw2 player playing gw2.

Does everyone that played EQ, WoW, FFXI, SWTOR, Rift, etc, still play those games? Nope. A core group does though, but a lot have moved on to other games. That is just how the industry goes.

Anet cannot produce enough content to keep everyone satisfied, fast enough. Also, WvW is about the fights, the battles, the community. What content is really going to make a world of difference in wvw? They aren’t going to change fundamental game mechanics (like map population, ppt related stuff, etc). They can add maps, and other abilities, maybe WvW traits that can be unlocked, but that wont be enough for the forum warriors. It will be more than enough for the people who are actually playing the game, every day, and having fun.

Natural attrition from people moving on is different from bleeding players because the game as it is sucks and nothing is done about it for 2 years.

Add in empty promises, “we’re discussing this internally” posts with no sign of action, silencing of dissent and stifling of discussion and you can’t be surprised people are just not caring about this game mode anymore.

Higher tiers, where it is only about winning, might be bleeding players, but the lower tiers are more casual. Our numbers will fluctuate each night, because people do WvW, sPvP, and PvE content. We have fun in the game, and we aren’t working in WvW. When we burn out of WvW, we do something else in the game.

Look at YB, for example. During the season, they had a good population, season is over, population drops. They aren’t bleeding players. When the next season starts, YB will have a good population again in WvW. That is how non t1 servers are.

Hell, SBI is unpredictable every day. We might have a lot on, or we might not. Just depends on how our casuals want to play the game that day. We have a core that shows up, because they find killing people in WvW is fun. We don’t push hard every week to win every match. It is about fun.

New maps is just an aesthetic patch, and most of what they add as content doesn’t change the fundamentals of wvw. So, not adding content doesn’t affect it, and adding content isn’t going to make things better for people who are complaining here.

Ulion.5476:

Armor stripping trap- Puts 25stacks of vulnerability on all enemies within 1200 range for 20s.

Boon defiance trap – For 10s no boon can be apply to targets in 1200range.

Jack in the Box trap – Spawns 6 jack in the boxes that knock up enemies within melee range of each jack.

Do those knocked up enemies spawn clones 9 minutes later?

Laylie.5703:

Deleting all your characters DOES NOT give you a free transfer anymore. So I don’t recommend doing that unless you just want to start over.

I have an alt account, and when I delete the character I get a free transfer.

Handin.4032:

Laylie.5703:

If all we get are the two traits that were already data mined then a lot of guilds will be leaving. Wvw as a whole is already on the verge of destroying quite a few guilds.

I’d say this. A decent chunk of my old guild (which was disbanded following seasons) left GW2 to go play Archeage. Why? Well, its free and has new content they can actually play, and new kinds of pvp they can play. It seems like gw2 is bleeding players and guilds in WvW, and my guess is all it will do is let anet actually use the excuse “Well theres so few of you, we can’t put out a lot of updates”

Players always come and go. They moved on to try a different game. Nothing anet does will keep every gw2 player playing gw2.

Does everyone that played EQ, WoW, FFXI, SWTOR, Rift, etc, still play those games? Nope. A core group does though, but a lot have moved on to other games. That is just how the industry goes.

Anet cannot produce enough content to keep everyone satisfied, fast enough. Also, WvW is about the fights, the battles, the community. What content is really going to make a world of difference in wvw? They aren’t going to change fundamental game mechanics (like map population, ppt related stuff, etc). They can add maps, and other abilities, maybe WvW traits that can be unlocked, but that wont be enough for the forum warriors. It will be more than enough for the people who are actually playing the game, every day, and having fun.

Mega Messiah.1734:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Mark Katzbach.9084:

nothing.7941:

DevonCarver.5370:

The area we added to Obsidian Sanctum was in progress prior to the incident mentioned above

lol, I’m not buying that.

Much like science, you don’t have to believe it for it to be true.

LMAO, most of science isn’t even true, most of it is comprised of theories, that have not been disproven (or proven for that matter).

Not the same.

The common use of theory, the one you’re using, is just a quick idea that pops into your head that you think has merit or can work for something.

In science, something being called a theory is a concept that has been rigorously tested and, for all intents and purposes, has the best empirical evidence to support it.

They just can’t call it a fact because that would be naiive, since things in science are pretty liquid in the grand scope of things.

But things like the “theory” of evolution or the “theory” of relativity are as close to total truth as scientifically possible.

Except tests are designed by humans, who have a theory to test. They confirm what they need to and it is up to the rest of the community to create their tests to either confirm or deny the validity of the theory in question.

There are a few theories that are pretty rock solid at this point, but the majority of science is fragile. That is why so many theories are constantly adjusted, or completely tossed aside. The constant changes that take place in science, should show you that what people believe (see believe) is true today, may not be true in 10 years, or 20 years. Doesn’t make science superior, or inferior, but it does show that people need to approach science with caution.

Deniara Devious.3948:

It depends on what you look for. Summer is going to be quieter time in WvWvW also on top tiers. In other words the top servers are slacking as well. This may sound like bad news to some, but it actually allows many different types of playing from small scale, to massive 3 way fights (prime time) to player-vs-door (pvd). It also means there the lag is rarely any problem.

You won’t find any queues on Desolation outside few hours prime time. The usual queue on prime time to EB is 1-30 players, zero queue to any borderland. During morning the outnumbered buff can be on 3-4 out of the 4 maps, but it doesn’t mean you cannot take enemy keeps or towers at ease. Deso night crew is very strong, so at night enemy probably has the outnumbered buff. Just follow your friendly border hopping PuG commander or roam yourself. I do both types of playing + sometimes command the PuGs. I accept all levels and professions to my party. You can always ask questions or help. Good WvWvW is about co-operation and spending time with your friends, killing other players in even fights and getting lots of loot and trying the impossible (e.g. solo StoneMist castle alone in prime time).

I can imagine the maps are more less ghosts towns on the lowest tiers outside the few busy hours. Arenanet should combine some servers. 24 should be enough for EU, like it is enough in NA.

Actually 24 is too much in NA now.

Clothing trap, then you have to fight naked with no stats

Hmmm, you do know that this game mode was designed for zergs, right? Name one game, that offers the large-scale pvp like that, that is not based on zerging?

Hell, even the 40 person PvP maps in other games revolve around zerging.

Can people quit complaining about zerging already, the majority of wvw zergs, and that is who anet is going to care about more when it comes to the wvw talk.