Why limit the amount of people? So more people can’t play?
No, to reduce blobbing, skill lag, server stacking, and the influence of coverage. The intent isn’t to prevent people from playing WvW. I think this solution would go well with free transfers to bottom servers and very low cost to bronze servers. The idea is to make the population spread out so match-ups are more balanced.
Here is the solution to your problem….transfer to a lower pop tier. Problem solved. If you want to run in wvw where there are smaller zergs, or almost no zergs, then transfer.
That’s precisely the problem. No one is willing to transfer to lower tiers in the current system because coverage plays such a large role. Server stacking is the antithesis of transferring down. This is meant to address that problem.
Quit trying to make others suffer, for your own selfish reason.
Again, I don’t see how this is selfish. It’s across the board, and the intent is to address many of the problems that are posted here. Blobbing, server stacking, skill lag, and coverage go hand-in-hand, and if reducing the player cap can reduce blobs, make guilds spread out across servers, and reduce the influence of coverage, then it seems to be the opposite of selfish.
Not talking about other people transferring, I’m talking about people who want the smaller fights. If you want large fights, go to the higher tiers, if you want smaller fights, go to the lower tiers.
Don’t try to force the higher tiers to become the medium tiers. Plenty of people want to blob. Hell, that is why they transferred up most the time (for the fights…you know…the large scale fights).
The free xfers would have been ok if they were a limited number of slots. Unlimited made silver a farce for who wins…. Oh well, still having fun, just not when we face the horde.
Seems to be a battle in silver for the 4/5/6 spots.
You guys have a good matchup with IoJ and NSP this week (I think NSP might pull it out, over IoJ).
Gotta say, YB has surprised me with how well they have performed this season so far. I wonder if we (SBI) will actually face you this season, or if we will just continue to swap in and out of the HoD/FA match.
Hope you guys are having a good time! Looking forwards to fighting you guys again.
How are you guys enjoying gold? I saw you upset Mag once, I hope you can keep that up and sneak in that 5th place finish.
Map…..don’t make me laugh.
Its purely meant as a cash grab. It doesnt do anything good for the community and competetion in general.
Except that they gave away free transfers, and charged more money to go to higher servers in an attempt to discourage transferring there.
And, from looking at HoD, I think most of the transfers were free ones. Plus, it looks like NSP got a few as well.
Why limit the amount of people? So more people can’t play?
Here is the solution to your problem….transfer to a lower pop tier. Problem solved. If you want to run in wvw where there are smaller zergs, or almost no zergs, then transfer.
Quit trying to make others suffer, for your own selfish reason.
I am just tired of being able to take a 20 vs 20 and completely own them and then their zerg of 80 comes and annihilates us..
So, hundreds of people will not be able to play WvW because you are tired of another server gangking you after they get wiped?
Tight community that likes to have fun.
@Andrew Clear.1750 & @ManaCraft.5630:
Concerning the Warmachine move to Kaineng, you are both babbling nonsense.From the outside, you are entitled to your nonsense. But your nonsense is myopic, ill-informed, and do not correlate with insider facts or the events at the time.
Your argument is not bolstered by your misrepresentation of Warmachine.
Well, why would WM transfer off? For the fights? Doubtful. Kaineng sure wasn’t facing anyone with good coverage in WM’s play time.
Look, guilds are jumping ship, and normally its for stupid reasons. SBI was T1, we had a strong population. People started leaving (and WM went to a tier that was dead, why? They wanted no competition? They wanted the challenge of moving it up? Plus, I never specifically mentioned WM in a post, so something I said must’ve been true about them, since you accused me of talking about 1 certain guild (which I wasn’t even referencing)), and then free transfers were ending and a lot of people jumped ship.
Guess where almost all of those people ended up at eventually? T1 again. Go figure.
FA just didn’t lose a ton of guilds because their community was weak. Hell, they should’ve stayed cause HoD was gonna give them a fight. Maybe they actually left because they knew they might not get 1st, and didn’t want to work kitten it and would just rather get those fights in t2, without have to fight so hard for ppt. (and yeah, HoD is stacked, they might have been able to beat FA before FA lost its guilds).
But, people have the right to switch servers, but it does affect both servers involved. And, it is normally the same guilds that keep jumping servers.
Thanks everyone for ur inputs etc. but im js fact of the matter is I wanna play I like playing and I spend money to play. idk why most of u are getting heated im rejoining my old fielding guild to help them up a bit nothing big JUST WANNA PLAY like the rest of you!
^^^ THAT is a sincere sounding post. I honestly believe you.
Don’t really think the underlying issue is not that anet wants to keep people from playing, but more of system that prevents pay to win. They also don’t have you locked into the server that you started the season with. The punishment is meant as a means to discourage people from jumping to servers who are already winning just for the season rewards.
The problem with that, is that you still get credit for contribution in WvW in EoTM, and that will allow anyone to transfer in the last 3 or 4 weeks and be able ton contribute enough to the new server in order to get credit for being on that server and get the rewards.
The concept of punishing is good, it helps communities stay together during the season. The implementation is a bit flawed. I do wonder how many communities will be fractured once the season is over.
Well, last night HoD had about 30 people in a fight with about 15 of SBI people at a camp. I rushed in to get supply before they took it as an ele. They killed me and almost half of them followed me to get the stomp while the other 14 of us came in behind them and took out some of them before the numbers won.
Zergs might be big, but that doesn’t mean they have intelligence. So, I understand exactly what the OP is talking about.
HoD is squirreling hardcore for particular members of your server with particular guild tags. Sorry/not sorry if you got caught in the crossfire.
Doubt most of them would care about Abyss tags. I do know that Bags is going for DDLG, and DDLG on our server is gunning for Bags.
It sure does discourage stacking, because people who leave during the season know they have to spend forever in only EoTM. So, if you have a problem with that, then you should’ve have moved after the season started.
It was in plain english, black and white, in the blog post with the details on free transfers and rewards. I’m sure you knew about it before transferring, so why are you complaining now?
Or how about just fix skill lag, how does ESO do it? Get tips from them, zero lag with 200+ man battles.
have yet to actually see a 200+ man battle in the game, and I am in the auriel bow campaign.
Well, feel free to enlighten me Deli, I am looking for a reason to play.
Hey delta, enlighten me on the actual reason people should play RvR in ESO? What is the purpose of winning? Really? There isn’t one. Campaigns last 90 days, with nothing to look forward to at the end.
Their are no bragging rights, since you can change campaigns every 24 hours. Can even change sides.
So, what is the point? Their is no incentive to win or lose.
WvW, it is pretty spelled out. It is a competition against servers, with results posted for all to see.
Reading is fundamental.
Should’ve transferred before the deadline…
Boy, just imagine how many servers might’ve gotten a bost after people jumped off of other servers when they realized their server was gonna get crappy rewards. We will find out after week 4.
Don’t transform during the season if you do not want to be stuck in EoTM for 2 weeks. That was common knowledge weeks before the season started, along with the servers that were going to have free transfers.
Reading is fundamental.
Well, last night HoD had about 30 people in a fight with about 15 of SBI people at a camp. I rushed in to get supply before they took it as an ele. They killed me and almost half of them followed me to get the stomp while the other 14 of us came in behind them and took out some of them before the numbers won.
Zergs might be big, but that doesn’t mean they have intelligence. So, I understand exactly what the OP is talking about.
a significant fraction of my guildmates who no longer play GW2 left because they got bored with the existing maps. they were too small, it was too easy to learn every part of them, and there were too few of them (only 2, the borderland map and the EBG map).
instead of fewer players on our existing maps, what we need are more maps or bigger maps, even if the latter option means raising the cap to allow more players.
-ken
Well, more players per map wouldn’t benefit anything, especially for Ebay, who can’t fill all 4 BL’s as it is.
Smaller maps caps wouldn’t benefit Ebay or smaller servers either.
New maps, would be great. Replace EB with EoTM, that would add some spice to WvW. Or have another set of BLs, and rotate between them each week. It can be done, and I wish they would do it.
But, no, don’t make it smaller. T1 through T3 already has a ton of queues, why would we want more?
During the season, the losing servers should worry about making sure they don’t lose a lot of Glicko points. Your overall server ranking is the tie-breaker used throughout the season, so it shouldn’t be taken for granted.
So in an entire year? Well basically since the launch of the game, WvWvW is still just an unbalanced zergfest with the most populated server winning? Thats disappointing, maybe I’ll stick to ESO : /
And ESO is any better? I like the PvE of ESO, but Cyrodiil left much to be desired.
You missed EoTM, and more guilds stacking the top 2 tiers, and population decrease among the whole player base. That is about all. T3 down, you can avoid the zergfest of t1.
There was like 2 balanced weeks were T2 was more balanced because they were pressuring TC.
Then shifted focus on SoS when they won one week in T2 and SoS got a lot of transfers that drained EBay.
TC still had more coverage and as soon as the 2v1 stopped they steamrolled like they used to. SoR implodes and TC gets more xfers, we all know the rest yeah.
SoS got those Ebay transfers the week SBI was figthing TC (you were on SBI in those days). Then they proceeded to beat TC the next week (and we beat Mag by 50k). Then EoTM launched, SoR implodes, SBI has an exodus, other servers lose guilds, BP has an exodus, DH has one, TC, HoD, and MAG benefit (as well as DB)…etc..etc
Servers aren’t really improving in this game on their own, they are doing it because people are jumping ship everywhere.
While I think a lot of Mag’s forces are trolltastic kittens, I will admit that they have a lot of skilled guilds, which is more than I can say for a lot of other servers.
I’m sure the majority of t3 does not want to be merged in with the queue, zerg fest that is t1 and t2.
Yes, please merge the remaining players into the two stacked tiers, so no one can get into wvw to play. /sarcasm off.
If people want to go to t1 / t2, then just transfer there. Hell, a lot of people already did before the season.
I’ve seen them in action several times recently, and they are doing some great things in WvW with their low numbers.
Give them a try, you might grow into a better wvw player.
If you say it enough times, Chris, it must be true, right? Like how SoS tanked in the match up against Mag and DB, let Mag and DB feed PPT off you guys, despite all your threats to DB that SoS will stomp them if they came to T2. No worries though. BG did the same thing.
I honestly feel bad for those on FA who played it straight 9 times out of 10. FA was on the cusp of greatness there for a little while post-season and the actions of a few let it slip from their fingers once T2 became a three-way match.
It all rolls into your “tanking” slander. It wasn’t tanking because both servers brought the heat on the top server in the match. If the broader FA community had been on board with such a plan (as they were with TC and we almost saw them fall apart given how they lost their minds the last week we both focused them) there would have been a lot more support from both servers on the plan to focus DB (everyone lost interest by Monday, deciding that DB was in better shape for Gold than FA was at the time) and FA might have still been in scoring range to take the 6th spot from Maguuma.
History lesson over.
Either way, FA now has a perception problem that most there don’t deserve.
When did T2 become a 3 way match after the season?
I remember it being volatile, and random matches matching up t2 and t3 servers frequently, as well as Mag dropping out, and then back in once SoR dropped in and out of t2. Then DB started making a charge for t2, and slid in there before this season.
I think you have a different view of what really happened in t2 over the past few months.
Miss ya guys too, is beth and iLL still around?
NACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I hear you and Olaf are beasting it on Mag haha, keep it up man mags a cheese… I MEAN GOOD, yeah good server. ;D
comeatmemagfagtrolls
considering that most of of the spying/siege griefing was done by [bags] and the whole drama started due to them destroying siege/supply,
I’m suprised you’re still QQing about us siege griefing you. For your info, we siege griefed our own server, SBI, a whole lot more than we siege griefed YB. We did this to our own server on a daily basis. siege capping the map.
And that is why we are pretty kitten glad that Bags left SBI.
2v1 is a built in design decision when you do RvR style pvp.
If it was 1v1, then what is the other faction doing? Watching a movie and eating popcorn until you two are done, and they can join in and another server goes to watch a movie?
seriously, quit crying and fight. We’ve all been tag teamed every week. Hell, SoR is 2v1’d every week now, and it isn’t even intentional by the other servers.
Personally, I don’t care much about PPT, I play for kills and fun, but there is no denying that WvW is won by the server with the most coverage across all timezones in most cases. There’s a reason HoD is crushing your server right now, and it’s the same reason my server (BP) is being crushed by SBI.
Why don’t you show us all through example how awesome YB’s innovative strategies are and kick the crap out of HoD? No excuses man, come on. Do it. I dare you. Prove the people who realize bandwagon servers are a problem wrong. Do it.
P.S.: I don’t believe any WvW players think WvW should be fair, however, they just simply wish they didn’t enter a matchup knowing exactly who will win 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Knowing who will win going into the fight detracts from the competitive nature of the entire game mode.
Well, it is hard to get enough people from 2 servers to agree to 2v1 during the week, so their strategy and implementation actually did work. But, the season 1 predetermined schedule helped them form that union to beat us. We crushed YB the first time we faced them, and it took a lot of work for them and Ebay to take us out.
They can’t use that strategy against HoD and FA unless they use it against SBI or IoJ first. As of now, it looks like the remainder of the season, SBI and IoJ will trade off and who will be getting spanked by FA and HoD each week, with 3rd place being decided by which server doesn’t face HoD and FA last.
Of course, if an upset happens to SBI or IoJ in that time frame, then 3rd place can change.
Bandwagoning hurts everyone but the server that got the transfers. Well, it hurts the server that gets the transfers a few months down the line, when drama ensues (and it always does).
I remember last week, where SBI was taking stuff from IoJ, and FA would show up. Guess what? We would wipe FA at the keep and keep going for IoJ’s keep.
Also, FA would come wipe us at times when we were taking an IoJ keep.
Sometimes you wait til the 2 are engaged, and then you run in and wreck the 2 and take the keep.
It isn’t collusion when that happens.
Well, honestly, should Anet really devote a lot of resources to WvW when just a fraction of the actual population plays WvW?
Doing nothing would be preferable to leagues. Concentrating on QOL changes is what they should be doing.
Leagues are just making it easier for me to play TESO.
Well, honestly, I have TESO, and I like the PvE better than GW2. As far as the RvR, it isn’t impressing me. To me it is just…. Run to the battle, dodge siege…dodge siege….dodge siege….die….run back…dodge siege….dodge siege……die….rinse and repeat for 30 mintues to an hour, and maybe get the keep. Or, if you are defending….run to the keep…dodge siege…dodge siege….die…run to the keep…dodge siege…dodge siege…die…rinse and repeat until you can drive them off, or the keep is lost.
And, that is if you don’t get stuck on the loading screen and have to restart the game til you get in. Also, the random crashes.
Maybe once people get organized and figure out some strategy, it might be more fun.
Also…what is the competitive reason for doing RvR? WvW it is to beat other serves, gain rankings, etc. Like a sport. RvR, I haven’t figured out (except to have an emperor).
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SBI used to be top tier. Did people transfer from us to Kaineng because it was a better server? Nope.
Sure it was. Or rather, the prospects of a more vibrant WvW community were better, with many guilds, including large ones like WM, announcing their intent to transfer there. If WvW hadn’t been server based, and you could play on the same maps regardless of which world you were on, many of the transfers that occurred from SBI to other servers – including my own – would simply have been unnecessary.
So, they transfered to the bottom, because the grass was greener? Or they had this thought, that they were so kitten good, they could take a low tier server and take them to t1? Which, is what they really wanted to do. They wanted that challenge, and they failed at it, but they got pretty close.
Gonna be very interesting with the swiss style.
Honestly, I see the megaservers as a way for them to “merge” lower tier servers into higher tiers.
They might come out, after season 2, and offer free transfers for people off of lower tier servers, and then close those servers.
Eventually, we will all be in the top 3 to 4 tiers.
Can you please take SBI off the forum name.
On SBI, we have had a core group stay through 2 exodus now. If there wasn’t any server pride, would we have survived either of them?
A better question: if servers weren’t the pivotal mechanic in WvW, would that exodus have taken place to begin with?
Yes, there would have been.
Do you think that people who play ESO are going to sit in the same campaign the entire time? Nope, they will transfer to.
Some people think the grass is greener, some want to get away from large zergs, etc.
SBI used to be top tier. Did people transfer from us to Kaineng because it was a better server? Nope.
The rankings are the pivotal mechanic. FA lost a lot of guilds right before the season, because they didn’t want to roll the lower tiered servers. Rankings are based on coverage.
If they would’ve locked you into a server permently when you created a character (like FFXI did when it launched) then what would have happened?
Doesn’t blob and zerg go hand in hand? Strength in numbers.
Also, with the AoE cap, it is more intelligent to run in a blob.
You do not need to know the numbers. Just get out there and fight.
Well, honestly, should Anet really devote a lot of resources to WvW when just a fraction of the actual population plays WvW?
I’m pretty happy that we get what we get. EoTM was a big undertaking (even though I find it pointless, it is a good test map for future additions to WvW, without affecting WvW).
The tourney is what it is, and it actually has brought up another stacked server (HoD), which could possibly make it to t2 and get spanked like DB did. Sucks to be us on SBI, who will know have to get rolled by another stacked server when the league ends.
Who gives a kitten about imbalance on EoTM? Imbalance on the actual Mist War maps (which actually is the competitive portion of WvW) is more serious.
Winning or losing EoTM is meaningless. No rankings, no rewards (supply drop is a joke), and a new match is jut 4 hours away. EoTM is K-Train heaven, and that is about it. It can also be a great place for zerg fighting.
If you don’t like that imbalance, go particpate in the Mist War during off hours, and see what a real imbalance is.
I’m pretty sure no one counts the numbers in those blobs. Plus the roamers running around.
Server pride? When Anet introduces free transfers or a new season people hop from server to server like the world select menu is a bouncy castle.
I don’t think that the Mega Server will effect WvW that much but I hope I am wrong and it somehow helps smaller or dead servers recruit. Sometimes people don’t want to play on the bottom because PvE is empty, well that isn’t a problem any more.
Actually, several people have never left their server, and the people hopping servers are usually the people who have already hopped servers in the past. So yes, there is a thing as server pride.
On SBI, we have had a core group stay through 2 exodus now. If there wasn’t any server pride, would we have survived either of them?
maybe it is because it all depends on which server has the strongest coverage per a particular time zone. Each server has strengths and weaknesses, and SoS isn’t able to shine at all in this match.
HoD fell out of T1 a month after release, when much of Titan Alliance left the game. The only relevant experience left now will be the people who just transferred down a couple weeks ago.
Again, another person missing the point. I am simply asking if people would please quit dismissing HoD as a terrible WvW server when they are getting slapped in the face by us.
wait til the season is over, and you move up to t2. Then you can talk about “slapping” people in the face.
Yep, we (KöMÉ) are loving our new home at HoD.
:)
I remember guilds on our server saying the same thing before and during season 1. Now, a lot of those guilds are gone.
Hope things don’t turn out the same for HoD as they did for SBI, post season.
Anyways, looks like we are gonna face each other next week HoD. I am sure you have the coverage, and are probably gonna beat us. But, hey, it will be fun.
SO, Who were those people that doubted SBI??
Sure, we aren’t going to win Silver, but 2nd or 3rd is highly possible.
Looks like the week 3 showdown between FA, SBI, and HoD (or YB if the finish 2nd next week) will probably show who will finish 2nd.
Just go to EoTM….geez.
Some of us like playing the old WvW (Mist War, non EoTM) stuff, because we like the actual competition of it. EoTM isn’t really competitive, and no true bragging rites or anything for winning.
Giving people a color, just means you play with randoms every day. Why bother? What about community?
Come to SBI, and look into some of our guilds. Abyss are good pvx guilds, while DDLG, KWBH, and Deth are goog WvW guilds.
Plenty to choose from here.
Unless I’m really misunderstanding it, your matchups will be as follows (based on current scoring)
Week 2:
Week 1 Tier 3/4/5 winners: FA, YB, HoD
2nd place: SBI, BP, NSP
3rd place: IoJ, SoR, CD(and guessing those outcomes of Wk 2 matches)
Week 3:
Winners: FA, SBI, IoJ
2nd place: HoD, NSP, CD
3rd place: YB, BP, SoRSo matchups won’t really change much beside tier mainly because of my guesstimates of the fallout of SoR and BP losing a lot.
week 3 would be FA, SBI, HoD, not IoJ. If IoJ finished last, and then they win, they would only have 6 points.
YB most likely will not beat HoD, so HoD will have 8 points, leading a 10, 8, 8 ,match,
the coverage wars are fine for what they are. Look at the current FA / SBI / IoJ mathcup. FA is gonna win, they have coverage 24/7 compared to SBI and IoJ. SBI gets IoJ in NA primetime. IoJ beats up SBI in OCX / SEA. The match is really started to favor who has the better EU, and today it was SBI.
The coverage issue actually adds to the game, in my opinion. Just because I work hard in NA and we lose a lot of points overnight, doesn’t mean that the other servers over night work should be nerfed.
I play whenever I get a chance…sometimes mornings, sometimes primetime, sometimes late at night, etc. I wouldn’t really want to play in the off hours if it was nerfed (just like I don’t participate in the useless EoTM crap).
I played last two days in Obsidian. EB and border are unplayable. If the server cannot let so many players fight, do more small maps …
and yet, for some reason, this crap happens during the seasons, and not so much outside of it. It isn’t like this is the first time we’ve had map queue go against map queue.