Guild Wars 2

NotKalkz.1286:

Anyone noticing a big drop in WvW population in his server ?

Borlis Pass had no guilds transferring off for the past months, and 2 months ago the server used to queue all maps at reset for 2 hours, now we cant queue more than 1 map
Maguuma used to queue all maps @ reset as i remember, no NA guilds transferred off for awhile, now we can only queue 2 maps

WvW ded ?

You lost LOST

The way it looks, SoR is about to drop to tier 4.

We understand what you are going through, SoR. And this week is kind of fun, since it is the battle of the servers that have had a mass exodus recently.

It seems your exodus was worse than ours. We are somehow hanging onto our spot in t3 at the moment, but it seems we are back to our core group that was with us (minus some players) from when we were a t4 server.

SoR is dropping, not because they don’t play PPT, but because they just don’t have the numbers anymore. After all, WvW is all about numbers (just like real war is).

Bring you friends to SBI and join in the fun. There are fights to be had, and after the toxic elements have left us, we are back to being a respectable and friendly community.

Good group of players, plus you don’t have to worry about Loren transferring

Our core group of WvW players is strong. We lost a lot of members due to the tier 2 bandwagon train that just swept through the WvW community, but we are still sitting in tier 3 with our heads high.

If you want to come and join us and shore up our T3 presence, you are welcome. You can’t go wrong with SBI.

when you are outnumbered you can get some kitten good fights. It can be fun defending stuff while outnumbered, and you can win those battles if you have enough siege, and strategy. Gotta use the choke points wisely.

Would love to have you come down to SBI, Walnut. Would really could use more late night commanders.

If you want to go to an already stacked server, then head to Mag, or above. FA is gonna drop to t3 with SBI and DB, so if you want to stay around t3, come to us.

SBI needs NA more than DB at the moment.

mrstealth.6701:

Looking at the upcoming Spring Tournament rewards, and seeing the line “receive a set number of tournament tickets based on world placement”, is a complete disappointment. Anet should have learned from Season One, that pre-tournament bandwagoning will determine the winners. And now we have the possibility of mid-tournament bandwagoning with the new system for determining server association.

What we need are rewards completely separate from server placement, based on our personal participation in the Tournament’s matchups. Currently, there is no incentive to stay on a server that is poised to place low in their league. Yet there are exclusive rewards incentives that give us every reason to move to a server that will place high in its league. If the rewards are based on each player’s accomplishments, there is no reason to bandwagon to a ‘winning’ server.

I don’t blame players for leaving a server where they will certainly get less rewards. Why would I want to stay somewhere that will ensure smaller rewards, when moving to get more rewards is so easy? The Tournament will be no different that Season One, a competition for population and coverage. The only determining factor for who wins will be where the bandwagon goes.

The only thing I can attribute to this horrible decision is a malicious level of greed. Season One should have been a lesson against server-based rewards, but I think the only lesson learned was that there is money to be made from all the bandwagoning. Before Season One started, we saw a discount on server transfers, and I’m guessing the same will happen before the Spring Tournament. To me, that shows that destroying servers and communities isn’t an issue, as long as it sells gems. I understand that like any company, Anet exists to make money, but there is a line they must tread between greed and consideration for the consumer.

Please show some respect for the players, and help us build servers/communities, not give players incentive to forsake their server and its community for the sake of rewards.

too late. Everyone is jumping up to t2 and t1 already.

Nick.6972:

“We don’t care about PPT, we play for fights.”
Is a great excuse when you’re losing.

Quite bad one too.
You and your team run around an empty map, doing absolutely nothing to contribute your server while your opponent is smarter and camps/defend towers.

I’ve heard that from several people that used to be on SBI, and guess what, they transferred to higher tier servers when stopped winning the PPT. So yeah, people care about winning, whether they like fights or not. I’m tired of hearing this PPT doesn’t matter crap, beacause it does. No one likes to lose.

I know the way the score is calculated isn’t the best, but it is what we have. I also know that EoTM has killed many servers PPT (and you would think the “we only care about fights” people would just be there).

So, why was Pyro, Ark, etc, etc, from Mag out in full force, karma training the BLs last week against SBI and BP (when they weren’t getting good fights) and not in EoTM? Because they care about PPT too.

People who cheat are scum, and losers. It is as simple as that. I know it sucks to have to deal with them, but just ignore them. After awhile (hopefully) they will get bored.

Needs a slight redesign.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Moving things from EOTM into regular maps is just a band-aid on a broken system.
The BL maps have to be redesigned to have more room, and to have some unique theme to make them feel less bland. Moving more AI NPCs and pve elements into regular wvw isn’t going to fix the main issues of coverage and pop differences. That has to be addressed in a scoring system. Also, its time for you guys to show some content in wvw, these Tournament/League jokes aren’t really fooling anyone. Most of my guild are moving to ESO, which they think sucks. But they at least feel that there might be some hope for RVR before CU comes out. All because there is no vision for WVW at anet. YOU need to give fans some kind of idea as to what this will evolve to if you want them to care.

Why would the bls need more room? Even when they are queued, the majority of the map is empty. I think we need to just elimante 1 or 2 of the BLS so that it will be more competitive for most servers. even t2 can’t queue all 4 maps during the week.

ParaldaWind.4523:

I like that no one really cares about PPT in EotM. The karma trainers can karma train, the zergbusters can zergbust, the roamers can roam, and everyone seems to like it. I can just jump on to any random map with my guild and either find a huge blob to kill, another guild group like mine to fight, or we just move to another overflow.

The accessibility of it is great, and the fact that people are able to what they want to do without feeling forced to play the flawed PPT mechanic is nice.

But the problem with that is that it becomes a non competitive game mode. You don’t win or lose anything.

EoTM is nice, and can be fun, but I feel empty when I do it. I play WvW for the competition, and when I am playing in EoTM, I feel like I am in a dungeon that has no end boss, not winning conditions, and the only reason to be in the dungeon is to slaughter countless enemies for the heck of it.

PPT might not be the best mechanic, but it does provide a basis for ranking servers, and calculating who wins and loses. They refuse to fix that, and their response was to just her people to EoTM, where there is no reason at all to win.

In terms of EoTM, I love how it is laid out, and how the keep lords take a long time to down (as opposed to how easy they are to kill on the BL maps).

But, really, I would like more population in WvW. EoTM has taken away a lot of my servers population, and has made WvW very imblanaced (it has happened to other servers as well).

Maybe we should change the mist war structure, to where we have EB, and maybe another map to fight for. 4 maps are way too many for the populations of most of the servers.

In terms of PvE, I would love for you to go through all your dungeons, and get rid of the kittened ability to stack. I feel stacking as being an exploit, and it takes the fun out of the dungeon for me.

I’d like to see EoTM contribute to the servers success, but that is just a dream.

Come to SBI, and join Deth or Myth. Abyss is good, but probably not what you are looking for (we PvE a lot as well).

Zael, and Calm are also good guilds as well.

We have a good community, and we only queue all maps on reset (well, that was before EoTM).

Myth has been a great asset since they returned as well, they are a good group of gamers.

XacTactX.6709:

You see a few of your teammates in the distance having a small fight with a few enemies. You rush in to try and help them win the fight, they get cut down in an instant and you can’t do anything for them. The enemies gank you as you stand there all alone. You click on your teammates to see what class and build they are running…

And they are all uplevels.

IDK how many times I’ve risked my tail to try and help people win a fight without checking to see if they are upleveled. Shame on me or shame on them, not sure.

Who cares, they want to have fun in WvW with their lower level characters. Help them out. Some people like to level their characters in WvW, cause they don’t find the rest of the game exciting.

Also, people who hate uplevels, I have a question. When you started playing the game, did you level a character all the way to level 80 before you ever stepped into wvw? I’m sure most of you took uplevels into wvw in your early days.

I used to defend Anet a lot on these forums, but EoTM, and this season has me wondering if they even care about their game anymore (at least the WvW portion).

Let’s be honest here, EoTM KILLLLLLLEEEEEDDDD WvW. T1 used to be competitive, now it isn’t. T2 is kind of competitive, but, honestly, there isn’t really a tier that is competitive anymore.

Add to the fact they you don’t even need to be in wvw (just EoTM) and you get rewarded for the season, will cause more drama than anything else in wvw. How can people who are only helping you lose, get rewarded.

Anet could fix this, if they would just allow EoTM to contribute toward your servers score (and before they say it technically can’t be done, it can. Their is a root server control all of the overflows, so they could iterate through every overflow at each tick point, and average all the overflows ppt, and then add that to the main ppt).

By the time they take action (if they do, cause they still think EoTM is filled with people who are only there cause their maps are queued), it will be too late. Many guilds from lower tier servers that care about winning (being competitive) will have transferred.

Slininstien.7546:

Kinda funny about that is I am on Borlis Pass atm and we’re getting crushe by SBI xD and mag for that matter

Mag got a lot of transfers recently, guess they are bandwagoning (remember how they blasted SBI for it before season 1…)

But, yeah, this matchup hasn’t been great. A lot of SBI have spent their time in EoTM, I am guessing a lot of BP has too?

Mag isn’t doing the EoTM karma train, cause they can karma train all the BLs. They are playing for PPT hard (and they can’t say they are there for the fights, because 40 vs 10 isn’t much of a fight).

Fallout.1798:

Unlike Maguuma, we here are SBI do not need to stoop to the low level of bribing other guild with gold. We on SBI work well together and get along nicely. (seriously Maguuma, please stop trying to bribe our guilds. Doing so is bad enough but its even worse you being so mean about it and to a server you are matched up against right now)

Since when was Magumma respectable? Remember the old forum threads (and even our own recruiting thread right here.)

Distaste.4801:

Sean.8274:

“They have also been designed with the expectation that a player who spends the whole tournament in the Edge of the Mists can achieve the meta.”

So everyone who contributes nothing to their server in terms of the “tournament” still get all the rewards? This is the stupidest thing I have ever read…. Might as well just hand out rewards for logging in and doing whatever the hell you want for during the weeks of the tournament.

Because some servers WvW is incredibly limited and trying to complete the meta on them is almost impossible?

If we are on the subject of easy rewards, whats the point in even having the tournament? At this point it is just a question of whether BG or JQ wins, giving them easy rewards. Do you really believe that just because a server has more people they should get better rewards?

This whole tournament is a terrible idea and the one thing you’re going to complain about is people on lower servers actually being able to complete the meta and get some loot from an event they have ZERO chance of winning?

Hmmm, I don’t even think BG is in the running anymore. JQ is in a league of their own right now.

Come to SBI. You can join Deth or Myth. I would recommend Abyss, but we don’t run “hardcore” so to speak. We do field about 30 to 40 on reset night, and when our commander rallies, we can turn out 20 to 25 during the week.

I agree, that is stupid. EoTM does nothing for your server in terms of winning or losing a match. People who are in EoTM, should not get any credit for the season meta.

How about they just make EoTM count toward the score also, since we lost a lot of our population to the map.

Honestly, now that Anet destroyed the PPT portion of WvW, for many servers, they are going to have to do something to alter the Mist War.

Maybe making only 1 BL, and EB, or 2 BLs, and EB, would be better than 3 BLs and EB. The majority of servers can’t fill up more than 2 maps during the week.

I hope they do something, but, in the end it will be too late, and all the tranfers will have been done.

EoTM has altered the state of WvW, and has split the population. In the end, their will be more stacked servers at the top, the ones that want to do the Mist War and play for PPT (and the win), and then their will be the servers at the bottom tiers, that like to do EoTM, and do not care about Mist War.

Ther rankings will be volatile for awhile.

Just come to SBI. Their are guilds that would have you as an engi. Sure, most zergs don’t seem to like them, but a lot of our guilds have roamers, defenders, and haok groups.

I’m sure that their are guilds that would let you roll as an engi on our server, as we like to have fun while playing (most of us that is). Also, a good engi is better than a bad guard or war.

Honestly, I wouldn’t want to transfer to t1 or t2 yet. They are going to be very volatile during the next few months, and that will cause some drama and some people leaving.

while Mag is in t3, if you are looking for great guild groups, and good GvG, I would recommend them. If would really recommend VR, as I have faced them a lot in the past 3 weeks, and they are kitten good.

As far as my server, SBI, we have Abyss, but we don’t GvG a ton atm. We do run a pretty good size group on reset night and can hang with any guild on reset night. After that, we are a PvX guild. so we will normally have 20ish people on NA prime, and a lot of people scattered throughout the day in WvW.

Myth just transferred in, I don’t know much about them yet (I have been busy with school projects this week), but I hear they are doing well. Deth came in as well, and they are currently recruiting (they have a thread up above).

Zeal is a smaller guild atm (also recruiting), but they have some very talented members. EXS is a great zerg busitng guild.

I hope you find what you are looking for, in your move.

Honestly, if you are looking for good OCX / SEA, then you should come to SBI, DB, SoS, and chill with us in t2 or t3. I wouldn’t make a move to t1 yet, since it is about to be shaken up pretty badly. Speaking of that, t2 is actually going to be volatile as well for a little while. T3 will be more stable, so if you want to have some fun, with less drama, I would say pick a server from t3 or t4 that has good SEA / OCX coverage (SBI, and DB fit this bill nicely).

Come on over to SBI. As you have seen during this matchup. SBI doesn’t just do one large zerg ball. We are normally running in individual guild groups, or small groups, and a millitia zerg.

Roaming, defense, havok, those are things we believe in.

Come on over to SBI. We have a solid core of players during SEA / OCX (many of them have been on this server, since around launch), and I’m sure our regular commander in that time zone could use the additional help.

If you are looking for some good action in NA time, come to SBI. We have a good community, that has been together through some serious ups and downs. We were once in t1, when the game launched, but had a mass exodus around the time free transfers were stopped (early last year). We dropped like a rock, and settled in t4. After several months, guilds started transferring to our server, and we rose again, all the way to the top of silver (was actually in competition for the final spot in gold league, all the way to the last day before the season started). We finished 3rd in the season, (FA got some nice transfers before the season began, and we couldn’t out cover them). YB pulled an upset on us, as well, during the season.

We recently pulled up to 6th in the rankings, but have dropped to 8th since, due to the servers in front of us getting more transfers.

In the end, it is us to you to decide what server you want to go to. If you are interested in SBI, talk to Jyeoi.6027, or slingblade.1437. I would give out some character names of our commanders, but I don’t want them being spammed by any trolls that would be reading this forum.

In the end, no matter where you end up, I hope you find what you are looking for.

edit I got your account name right, this time.

How is it that Mag isn’t getting infracted for their posts in our recruitment?

MiLkZz.4789:

Oh my god, because T1 NA ain’t doing good because of maxed stacked servers, WvW is doomed? Drama much.

We in EU barely notice Eotm, still got good match ups, good fights and good numbers on all sides. Maybe unstack a little and find out there is a world besides who can buy the most guilds.

Eotm is a fun place to blow off some steam after the more ‘serious’ WvW. It wont replace it, maybe for servers doomed to fight a 24/7 maxed out blob server but not for the ones who still get good fights. I think Anet did great with their addition.

Almost all servers in NA are feeling a drop in numbers in WvW. From kitten t8.

SBI used to queue all BLs on reset night, and normally would have a very long queue for EB and SBI BL. This past reset, we queued 3 for a short time, and the queues were not that long.

Before EoTM, t2 NA was neck and neck, after EoTM, it isn’t even that competitive, even with all the transfers into those servers.

Yes, EoTM has put WvW on life support. Either you like EoTM, and stay on your server, or you don’t, and move to a server that will actually play to win. So, EoTM is going to spark the next round of server transfers.

SoR….I know how it feels to fall from t1, we (SBI), did it around this time last year. Hope your fall isn’t too hard.

Vermillion.4061:

JQ/BG decided to open the chest and buy most of SoR because they don’t care about a spread out even fight.

Does it really matter anymore? The WvW population was halved with EoTM, and now coverage for all servers is a joke. Soon, the people who like to fight for servers are going to stack on only the servers that actually have a “Mist War” presence.

Anet really did kill WvW for the majority of their servers, and what’s even worse, is that they replaced it with a map that gives no incentive for victory.

Lord Kuru.3685:

EoTM will likely be deserted in a few weeks and what’ll WvW have? The same-old-same-old. That’s the real problem.

No it wont. People secretly like to karma train, and aren’t really looking for tough fights. Hell, that is why most people log off of WvW, because they are losing fights.

People say PvD is terrible, but what I have seen in EoTM is a lot of PvD, with an occasional fight.

There is no incentive to win. There is no incentive to defend. Only incentive is too take crap for the loots.

Truearrow.3527:

Andrew Clear.1750:

EoTM also helped as well. But, there is always next week

I’m pretty sure we are effected exactly the same by EoTM as every other server. Not one time this entire week have I see a single DB fighting SBI so the 3am server crowd thing is crap Olaf, NNK and TFV enter our areas and go straight for doors and dont seek fights at all… Looking forward to next week, if there are better fights in NA prime.

Probably wont be better fights, because EoTM is still new. Once that calms down, hopefully we start going back to the BLs and fighting each other’s guilds.

OneManArmy.9732:

5. reward for 1/2/3 place, so peaple actually will fight for victory, not just evading another zerg group and capture point after them (karma/wxp train)
6. upgrades for towers/keep, 1000% faster and if enemy conquered enemy base they got bonus wxp for every upgrade done.
7. debuff when you lose your keep to force people defend it, not just “oh,they got it, free 1000 wxp +30 badges after 5 min”
8. special siege that can only be usable on EoTM, like “eotm flame ram” , ofc with discount

Yes, finally someone else says that their needs to be an incentive for winning. I talked about that in my guild chat on Tuesday, and all they said was that the bags were the incentive. BUT, even the losers get bags.

So, yeah, since EoTM is killing WvW atm, they really need to give it more of a purpose. For the majority of the servers, there are not enough WvW players to fill the BLs, let alone the BLs and EoTM. So, Anet, I beg you to give us a reason to fight in EoTM (and the supply drop doesn’t count. Who cares about supply, if no one is even in your BL).

SofaKingEvil.7085:

quick question; I thought we were going to get better T-7 mat drops/chest in EoTM?
getting a lot of garbage,little to none [Dragonite]
I run just over 450MF, was just curious

You used to get about 5 to 6 dragonite for a keep, now you can get 16 to 25 ish per keep. I think that is quite an improvement.

Truearrow.3527:

NA Guilds go to SBI, SEA/OCX guilds come to Mag, population balance, everyone is happy. Then matches against SBI might not suck/be boring.

Seems someone is still sore from losing 2 of the last 3 matches to us. You got a lucky draw this week, with DB actually giving our…3am server time crowd, an actual fight, so you aren’t getting killed. Also, you and DB have better EU than us.

EoTM also helped as well. But, there is always next week

Le Rooster.8715:

iAmTheDuke.6201:

Consider Maguuma instead!
Majority of Maguuma guilds are farming gold to fund Ocx/Sea/Eu guilds to the server to keep us in t2 for the fun match ups.
Our NA is superb compared to SBI’s, so you wont have to carry the server with just sheer coverage.
Message me if interested!

wow that’s low man, go to your own recruitment message. It’s funny to see that all the ocx/SEA guilds maguuma used to troll and now they are “paying gold” for them to transfer.

Because they were tired of SBI and SoS killing them in anything other than NA prime. It’s quite funny how they love to brag about 4 hours of coverage all the time.

And good job to you at SoS, I hope you can get up to number 4.

Buffy.9246:

So I predict eotm will be dead soon.
Pve people are complaining its 2 hard cause they die in zero gear plus red side is already dead
I’ve tried many many different maps and found barley anyone.
It’s kind of boring to be there with all that kitten running around being lost.

It will not be dead anytime soon. It has really affected WvW on some servers (SoR, SBI) etc. Mag doesn’t seem to care for it at all.

I’m scared for this reset. SBI will probably face Mag again, and if our WvW peeps are chillin in EoTM, we are gonna get killed.

Well, last night I was told not to repair the bridge. Our side destroyed it, so that the enemy had less routes available to them. Sure, we had to go the long way as well, but that is worth it, if you can choke the other zerg.

It is already a karma train. Right now, it would be much easier to K-Train the BLs if that is your sort of thing. Less resistance.

Dawdler.8521:

Indeed, its not bugged.

Its working exactly like it always has been.

You are placed in a random grouping (x number of players), which enter WvW at random. Lets say that you are in queue group 1, consisting of 30 players. You have random position 5 in WvW. The queue group get pop, 20 random people got in but unfortunetly you had zero luck and was left out. As queue group 1 is recreated you end up in it again, now with random position 12. You’re still “first” out of all the queue groups, its just random whether you enter or not.

What, its still the only way I can explain the GW2 queue system. The interesting this is that this system must require alot more thought, code, math and calculations than a straight FIFO list.

and actual Stack would’ve worked beautifully. If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it, right?

it is horrible for roaming, because players have already figured out that it should just be one giant pug filled karma train. And we know what trains do to roamers.

Ironically, though, there is no kitten reason to try to defend on this map, with the short match times. Who wants to spend money to defend something, when they don’t really even need it. They can go take other stuff. It is one giant karma train, with no meaning. The results of the match are meaningless. No rankings, no win/loss tallies/no rewards for winning (I don’t count the supply drop as being meaningful, when no one is even on your map).

Great map though. Beautiful, and well laid out. The guards are more fun than the BL guards, and I love not having slow kitten dolyaks around. I just wish they would add some incentive for it, til then it is kind of a hollow activity for me.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Andrew Clear.1750:

In a way it does promote stacking, because if you don’t want to do EoTM, and you want to focus on Mist War, then you would want to be on a server that actually does that.

EoTM surely does kill regular WvW, but I did notice that some people are still out in the old WvW BLs fighting, and our EB had a queue most the night.

The question will be, what servers would you stack on? We don’t know how EoTM affected the top 3, so maybe there are other servers that actually are better for WvW now.

As of last night:
SoR abandoned WvW for EOTM. Having said that, I’m oceanic and there’s really only one oceanic guild left. So without their presence there’s nothing to rally on, and the BL’s all get capped.
JQ held very little and they’re stronger than BG at the same time. I assume they were busy in EOTM too. As I understand it it’s very much like them to swarm new features. Nothing wrong with that.
BG was out in force playing by themselves, holding the high PPT. Understandable since we’re all creatures of pleasure, and this is the only thing that gets BG off. We did go to the BL’s knowing BG had a presence there, but even though we had inferior numbers they refused to engage us. We held a single paper tower, and instead of fighting they retreated from every advance and instead built a gari treb to treb into our tower…..

Yeah, if there’s no PvP to be had in PvP, there’s no reason to play. So that’s tier 1 in a nutshell.

Well, that doesn’t sound like much fun. Once my guild leader logged, I left EoTM (and so did some of the guild I am in) and we went back to the BLs. I was shocked that we actually were doing well during primetime since most of our server seems to be in EoTM.

Good map, but needs incentive…needs a reason to be there, other than bag farming. I guess I am old fashioned, and I don’t really care about getting a crap load of worthless items all the time.