Guild Wars 2

I see, that’s fine then. Thanks.

Is there any confirmation sent when you submit a report ingame? I sent a report earlier, and was hoping to at least get a message that verified that it went through. I wouldn’t know if it did or not. I didn’t want to spam the report button to find out.

Most thieves can agree that Death Blossom is one of the weakest skills for a thief. The damage output isn’t worth the initiative. Its only uses are a quick evade in a tight burst, or clearing out mobs. Even then, there are other skills that do a better job of that.

What if…Death Blossom could reflect projectiles? Would that make it too OP? I’d just like to see this skill with a bit more utility use.

…It’s a pretty skill.

Bazzoong.7145:

To land a CnD on ranged proffesions simply press 5 then steal or inf signet, the teleport will make it land.

My gosh, I never knew that actually worked…thank you. I always assumed CnD would get interrupted with the teleport. Once I get better at the timing, I won’t have to stealth my steal anymore.

TG isn’t as helpful as basilisk, imo. Don’t get me wrong, it has its advantages in an outnumbered fight, but one of the easiest ways to counter it, is to simply wait out the npcs. And they follow the stealthed thief.

Traps aren’t entirely useless. I dueled a guildie in a close quartered space, and kept stepping on his traps. Most fights take place in areas with plenty of space, but I bet traps have a great advantage when there’s not much chance to avoid them.

Bazzoong.7145:

D/D power/crit fails in spvp, you can not get the stat combinations it would need to work (you will either be to squish or do marginal damage), P/D power/crit is also very bad (P/x basically gets hardcountered by retaliation).

You either need sb avoidance or x/P control or S/D avoidance without any of those you are dead meat.

I should mention that this is for WvW, not sPvP. That’s not to say I don’t take D/D and P/D into sPvP. That’s where I can practice 1v1, and be ‘underpowered’ to learn my build’s limits and advantages. Also where I can fight other classes/builds without distraction from havoc, mobs, zergs, and scouting duty.

Bazzoong.7145:

Thieves can not go toe to toe with any other “melee” class, you need the avoidance your problem is basically summed up in dropping sb for P/D.

I’m gonna disagree there. I have seen it done, met thieves who’ve done it, and actually have managed it one or two times myself. Saying it’s ‘not possible’ means the melee classes are OP – and everyone knows that thief is supposed to be the most OP class, obviously.

(Truth be told, the annoying ones are the ranged classes. They won’t let me CnD them!)

D/D if you want a challenge. D/P if you want an easy win.

Once you have that decided, you can pick the traits and specs.

hihey.1075:

What utilities are you running?

Shadowstep, blinding powder, and shadow refuge. And basilisk venom, but I assume that’s a given.

Reikou.7068:

Everything is “easier said than done,” but that’s what you need to do to win. So do it. You asked how to defeat DPS Guards, and I gave you the answer. Now you just need to be able to execute.

Haha, touche. But I’m talking about the guards who know what they’re doing against a backstab thief, not the dps guard I managed to kill in pvp by landing a stun after a venom.

That fight was too easy, I’m not counting it as a win for my kill list. I’m after the big prey, the dps guard that can avoid a simple stun trick. I need to know when to drop the stun, how to make him panic, and figure out how to escape his attacks as well. It’s not going to be endless lockdown stun.

Dee Jay.2460:

1. I don’t know, but I’ve never had a problem with DPS Guardians. Black Powder generally does a great job at mitigating their damage output. The Burn is nasty, but you can work around that. Not really sure what to say here.

No black powder for me. I can usually stalemate against one long enough, but a good DPS guardian will add enough pressure to force me into refuge. That’s where I lose most of my fights against them.

Dee Jay.2460:

3. What your probably encountered was a Axe + Shield + Greatsword Warrior in Full Berserker gear with Hambow traits. They are mean, and their Eviscerates can hit for 12.000 easy. But again, Black Powder can mitigate most of their damage. Just be weary of 100 Blades since it partially penetrates Black Powder. Make sure to kite or out-stealth their Berserker Stance and Endure Pain and you should be able to kill them just as fast as they can kill you.

Yep, that sounds like it. I made the mistake of starting the fight with a steal.

Reikou.7068:

1. Land your stolen daze.

Easier said than done, since most guards will expect some kind of stun – either from my venom or from the daze.

I have a personal ‘kill list’ for my thief, where I try to come across a class/build and try to beat them. So far, I have a few more to cross off the list, but I will need advice for these:

1. DPS guardian

2. MM necro

3. Some kind of warrior build that facerolled what I thought would be an easy fight, and wrecked me in 0.5 seconds. Bloody hell, didn’t even have time to react and evade that burst.

Edit: I’m a d/d thief, offhand p/d. Shortbow was nice, but I find the pistol mainhand to be much more effective.

Everyone, he changed the build out. Glad myself – d/p thieves are annoying enough, without needing to learn how to counter another d/p build.

(although when I first glanced at it before the edit, I thought you were posting a troll build. Wish I could take a second look at the original post)

Guys, he changed the build out. Glad myself – d/p thieves are annoying enough, without needing to learn how to counter another d/p build.

Thank you, seriously. Someone else who played thief and understands how glass cannon they are.

Not all mes run the PU build – my preference for my mesmer is heavy zerker bursts. Even though, I think it’s safe to say that mesmer zerker is much more forgiving than thief zerker. If you mess up on mesmer, you pull out the lockdowns. If you mess up on thief, you – um…cringe?

I have my own personal opinion for D/P that I won’t mention, so no thieves can backstab me here…heh. But I would like to see maybe…more risk in using that leap combo.

mPascoal.4258:

I would suggest Yishis lastest video of him WvW Roaming. There is a duel of him with a D/P Thief and he explains how to deal with them while the fight is going.

Here’s a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEEYhovtwBo

Thanks for the link.

I’m managing to beat up D/P thieves more effectively, at least in havoc groups (I am way better in havoc than solo, hah) I still need to work on my timing against them, but I’m finding and hitting them more often when they stealth.

This isn’t a game that you’re supposed to grind to.

If PvE and PvP don’t suit you, have you tried WvW?

I run the backstab D/D build, so how can I counter a backstab D/P thief? It seems the only way I can stand my ground against them is to switch to D/P myself. But my D/D build is still different from the meta D/P, so it doesn’t reach full potential. Personally, I don’t like D/P – it feels gimmicky. I want to master the more difficult backstab build.

I talked with other thieves, they told me there’s no real way to win a fight against D/P thieves.

How about instead of fishing, fish mobs drop fish meat? Then we can just go spear fishing instead. That would be more fun than treating fishing like gathering nodes.

So, it’s not a bug. Well, I feel sorry for thieves. It seemed odd since I would teleport, but my clone did not.

I knew about clones destroying themselves when a thief went into stealth, but I also read that the fix now bugged the clone, to not lose targeting on the thief. I assumed that tied in with me somehow being able to leap to the stealthed thief, where neither myself nor my clone should have targeted.

I was in WvW again with my mesmer, and killed two more thieves like this…so yep. I can actually catch them without knowing where they are.

I read somewhere that there is a bug with mesmer clones and thief stealth, and I might have just seen it firsthand. I was in WvW earlier with my mesmer, and ran across a thief. During our fight, he stealthed as I used illusionary leap (main hand sword, skill 3). I successfully followed it up with the teleport, and used blurred frenzy. When the thief’s stealth timed out, he’s down on the ground for my stomp.

I’m pretty sure that isn’t supposed to happen. I can remember; I cast the leap, he stealth, I swapped places with my clone, and used my burst. The swap immobilizes my enemy as well, and I’m almost certain it caught the stealth thief. I am supposed to have lost target with him, correct?

Chicago Jack.5647:

Funny fact: if you reflect the third hit off of a mesmer autoattack scepter, it will create a clone of you.

Wait, are you serious? I gotta see that…

As a new player, the only thing I could assume you’d struggle with are getting into dungeons. But if that happens, just gear up with rares (yellow tier armor) and you’ll be fine. Most people are more intent on knowing game mechanics, then what gear you’re wearing.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Wait…people used Detonate? Where the bombs exploded at was so random that it wasn’t worth exploding most of the time.

You gotta time the detonation. Doing it right before it hits would drop a lot of damage.

I run into this issue in WvW. Stealing from a warrior gives the Whirling Axe, but what the heck do I do with it?

I use stealing as a gap closer, and it’s traited to stealth me as well. So when I have the axe, it’s one less stealth skill, one less gap closer, has no viable function to me, cannot use it effectively with a combo, and doesn’t seem to do much damage. The only time I could use it effectively was getting up in the face of my opponent and whirling away…but any skilled roamer can dispatch a thief who gets too close for too long…especially if that roamer is the warrior I stole the axe from.

Another thief said he just waits to pull back and ditch the axe, before going back in the fight. But that’s a waste of time for me…and if I’m pulling back, I’m usually in stealth. I don’t want to reveal myself until I’m ready.

What do you guys do when you get a whirling axe?

I found one NPC that looked like a tavern crawler. Talking to her, she lost her sight from the smoke and miasma, and asks if you’re ‘Clara’. If one of those NPCs could be confirmed to be named Clara, then we found 1 out of 5. But for now, she’s just another NPC refugee of LA.

All of the tavern crawling revelers are missing. They were a group of friends that came out at night to go ‘tavern hopping’ in the city. I haven’t found any of them.

What: Stealth is invisible. They should be visible.
Why: Roaming on my mesmer, I stopped to look at the beautiful scenery. Out of nowhere, this mean thief backstabs me. I’d have been prepared if I saw him. If I can see ally thieves when they’re stealthed, I should also be able to see enemy thieves that are stealthed. Then I won’t be caught off guard whenever I go roaming.

Yep, anyone that gets too close, enemy or not, gets shot down.

but you know, they could at least…look before they shoot?

(I was actually stealthed. They shouldn’t have seen me!)

I’m getting annoyed how my thief keeps getting mistaken for a Commoner instead of a Street Rat. I’ll pretend the reason Petra is in my home instance – and how she seems to know me – is because she remembers when my toon used to beg for food in the alley behind the tavern. But that’s inside the glitchy instance, so I can live with it. But outside in the open world? Come on…

According to this little girl at the Gendarran Fields refuge camp, I was there when the fire happened in Divinity’s Reach orphanage. That’s the commoner’s story – I was too busy saving Quinn’s sorry butt for the umpteenth time. And to show I really AM Street Rat, this is my character’s summary.

Do any other street rats, commoners, or nobles get mistaken for something else?

Avkii can be cute and elegant!

Came across this, and it’s kind of annoying.

They have patrolling mobs that traverse the map: 1 vet and 2 regular mobs. There was a zerg farther up north, and I assume when this patrol respawned, they up-scaled with an elite.

I’m going solo, and I can’t exactly pick a fight with those guys…

I haven’t found any of the Hide and Seek kids that played around the Priory camp. But seeing that Odgen’s Hammer was found on the first patch, then has gone missing since, do you think they rotate the survivors?

I don’t think many of the merchants from the crafting station survived…always got annoyed by the Asura Tailor and her ‘good ideas are like cream’ metaphor…I’m gonna miss that annoying merchant.

You can get bones from rubble piles? Wow…that’s just…discouraging. And sad.

If people are in a zerg, I will rez them if they are down, but not if they are dead. I expect the dead to man up and go to the nearest waypoint….if they’re in a zerg.

HOWEVER, if this is open map, then yes – stop and help people up. I’ve probably saved a fair share of players just by stealthing and rezzing them on my thief.

I have an issue with selfish people myself. I was going solo in LA, trying to figure out how to successfully dispatch dangerous mobs so I could rez the dead NPCs in the back. Some jerk comes in, runs straight in, sees nothing interesting there, runs back out, and dumps all the #$%!@# mobs on me.

Khisanth.2948:

“free for 50 silver”? :P
I don’t like your idea of free.

I’m a business woman, shhhh…..

(Typo, oops. XD)

First off, Anet, you guys did a pretty darn good job. I really like the event. I love the concept, I love the design team’s burning chaotic city, and I love hating you guys for demolishing all that is Lion’s Arch. I love having the chance to take my stealthy thief out in PvE. I also like you’re taking a proactive step with breaking up mindless zergfest.

…The problem is that most people don’t know that.

We still have players tagging up shouting, ‘Stack on me to win this event!’ People are still zerging for peanut loot bags, and people bypass the dead and terrified citizens. No one seems to understand that saving the citizens of LA is a map-wide effort, and best done by actually saving its citizens. On the first day, my server managed to save close to a thousand people, but I haven’t seen that since. It’s usually stuck around 500.

I get bored of zerging, and have had at more times struck out on my own, or with small groups of players. But there have been one or two times where I’m fighting alone, and someone just runs past without assisting because they’re trying to get to the next zerg event.

Zerging is counter-productive. It scales up events, and it distracts people from saving the scared citizens. Breaking up the zerg needs to be more obvious. There is more loot gained based on the citizens you saved, but everyone will keep zerging because 1) they don’t know there’s a chance to get better loot, or 2) they know, but since too much don’t know/don’t care they’ll just go back to zerging. Basic zerg loot is better than solo loot, if only 500 people are gonna get saving.

I know these events are meant to be ’don’t need an instruction manual and everyone figues it out in five minutes’….but no one’s figured it out.

I can remember way back when I first joined, the first Wintersday actually didn’t transfer the environment over to the Living Story. Wintersday LA outside, basic LA instnaced inside the PA. But doing it last year on an alt, they did transfer over the environments, so it was Wintersday all around. I assumed they would use a separate map of LA for the living story.

I’m just going to wait until this update is finished before I go do the living story again.

Fenrina.2954:

After hearing about this, I decided to see for myself. If anet wanted to prove they’re doing “quality content,” they didn’t do a good job of it. This looks like a situation where the game is loading the wrong data.

..someone must be going ‘oops’…heh.

The cost has nothing to do with Anet interaction…if people don’t want it, don’t buy it. And no, I’m not being trollish here. It’s a free market. By not buying it, people will influence the value to drop.

I’m under the assumption that the stations are like food trays, or the buffs the NPCs give out for 50 silver. But I haven’t tested it myself.

I haven’t found any skritt! (minus the suspicious merchant skritt)

I had a theory that there was an underground sub-skritt community in LA. They probably took the most heavy losses…such a place underneath the city was probably the most dangerous place when Scarlet hit…

That is cringe-worthy, yikes. But I’m curious, is that a reference to a specific piece of literature? Google didn’t bring up anything specific.

This is really bugging me. I could live with the game somehow dropping the wrong NPCs in the personal Home Instance, but apparently I’m missing out a huge chunk of it in the open world.

Torina Panney is apparently one of the orphans of Divinity’s Reach. And I guess if you’re a commoner who saved the hospital, you’re supposed to get a special dialogue.

…But I’m sure that’s not supposed to happen if you picked the Street Rat. My character isn’t even supposed to even know what happened at the orphanage. She had no part in it.

Come on! I want my thief to connect with some of the homeless beggers of LA! What kind of lore am I missing out on? It’s bad enough Quinn never gets added to the Home Instance, but at least keep my character a Street Rat.

I’m glad the ghost and charr kids survived. I’d be crushed if they didn’t.

I’m actually looking for the Revelers. It’s a group of tavern hopping friends that come out at night to celebrate one of the NPCs birthdays. I haven’t found any of them.

All five of them will be missed…

I’m also looking for the little boy that gave out speed buffs he learned from his mother. I’m cringing each time I hear of the refugee talking about how she lost her ‘only son’. I hope that wasn’t him. A mother who worries about her son, and taught him how to move swiftly so he won’t be late for dinner…but didn’t make it out of the city in time. -cries-

Edit: At least I found Kidney Shot Sylvari! (the Sylvari farmer who was teaching a Charr how to garden, in exchange he taught her how to fight)

Backward Sass.6791:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gxrk7MWJk

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Vael Victus.2654:

By Ogden’s Hammer! What an update!

Does he still say his line in the new area?

Thanks for sharing that. I loved it.

Traveller.7496:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

He was not a dredge, flame legion, aetherblade, clockwork monster or krait. So yea, hey could have easily known.

He said he was a thief using stealth skills. Now, if you caught someone prowling on your back yard decked in all black and obviously trying to hide (and possibly looking for something to steal), how willing would you be to ask what they want first and turn them into pincushions later?

Just for the sake of clarity, I am a ‘she’.

Mondo.5029:

Oh hey, I think I was one of the players who tried to res you! Unless that was someone else who died in the same way… which is very possible.

Naw, likely someone else. I died alone and forgotten…

Not zerging has actually given me more loot bags than zerging.

I’m hoping after the initial days of when people get bored of zerging and little loot gain, it’ll develop more into solos and havoc groups.

If the tengu could release those arrows all over Scarlet’s minions, this whole fiasco would be done already. We could start rebuilding our fair city.

Moteris.5913:

So I figure why not share some screen shots from the event. If this is the wrong place I am sorry.

Hey! Are you the Asura who went tavern-hopping with me before Scarlet’s attack?

Here’s mine: I discovered that sneaking around in the water might not be the best idea…