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Add conjure lightning hammer, after casting. the list piles on.
im starting to think any skill or most skills does this
congrats
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I want to add elementalist Churning Earth to the list. happened to me 3 times today during a run.
Seems like anet cares less about real bugs than “exploits” that aren’t really a big deal
It doesnt have to be this way, what if we could choose a “tank” to make our live easier and take a “healer/support” with us but it would take 40% (2 of 5 dealing less damage) longer than running full DPS but it would be easier.
On the other hand, running full DPS (glasscannon) should be more risky than other setups, but with the reward of being faster (5 of 5 dealing full damage).This… is what the game already is, minus the “tank” because there is no aggro control skills.
Well… as I said, its not, running full glascannon is the most effective way, but it is not more risky (in most cases) than running with tankier setups or a support, due to the dodges/blocks and slow attacking enemies.
Running full tank you can soak up around 2x the damage taken.
Not from what i have seen. 25% extra, maybe.
And if it was designed to be a action game i can’t figure why ANet spread the skills over 10 buttons, never mind forcing us to hold down a button the whole time we want to control the camera. The control scheme for this game is straight up old school MMORPG. TERA or Neverwinter on the other had has interface designed for action.
yeah tera and neverwinter isnt much of an action game. they’re really not action games. they’re not good examples of an action game. tera is spank n tank game overdone mmo. neverwinter..well..lol.
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It doesnt have to be this way, what if we could choose a “tank” to make our live easier and take a “healer/support” with us but it would take 40% (2 of 5 dealing less damage) longer than running full DPS but it would be easier.
On the other hand, running full DPS (glasscannon) should be more risky than other setups, but with the reward of being faster (5 of 5 dealing full damage).This… is what the game already is, minus the “tank” because there is no aggro control skills.
Well… as I said, its not, running full glascannon is the most effective way, but it is not more risky (in most cases) than running with tankier setups or a support, due to the dodges/blocks and slow attacking enemies.
Running full tank you can soak up around 2x the damage taken.
Dodge and blocks – the risk is timing it right, the game was designed as an action game.
Not all enemies are slow attacking especially when a whole squad is on you, and there are always ways to avoid damage as it should be.
Of course full dps is the most effective way, only if the party can use it right.
all the arguments you all presented are invalid.
i see roman numerals only. i.e. I, II, III, IV, V …
these numbers tell me nothing.i do not see the names and description unless i mouse over it.
i must mouse over to check the names and description each time.tell me how is this better than unique icons identifiable at first glance?
with icons, i can know at first glance what each trait do.
Roman numerals are more classy. Art style. Uniformity. Arenanet cares a lot about visual art style.
And again, evidence to show that roman numerals are supposed to be only alpha placeholders?
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This is just OP’s preference rather than game polish
wrong. icons are polish.
roman numerals are just alpha stage placeholders that they forgotten about.
Evidence to support your claim?
This dodge bug is soooo annoying. It’s surprising that this still persists.
btw, is this the bug that looks like youre dodging in place? your character does the animation but barely moves in distance, takes endurance, and has no dodge frames.
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This is just OP’s preference rather than game polish
What’s epic about no-skill zerg boss fights that has too much lights flashing and covers most of the boss’ tells?
There are some random times where everything in my skill bar is unusable as well as picking up bundles. There is no lag present as my connection to your webserver on guildwars2.com is stable, my connection to google.com is stable. Looking at resmon TCP connections, it shows normal. This is a bug, it has been happening since patch.
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And what about the guys that judge or kick or don’t trust you because you’re a necro spoj? Yes it was maybe bad to kick him, but i have enough of this, understand me, i bought this game 3 months before and i love dungeons, but it’s much harder for me to ind people as i have 2k AP, i’m not a Warrior, Mesmer and selling spots that can change the economy, now everyone do these because there’s too much golds to gain.
no matter what your sad excuse is, if the seller is legit you just griefed him. you should be reported for being scum
aww people kick you for playing a certain style l2makefriends
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Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, Dodge!
Stop trying to turn this game into WoW / boring spank n tank gear = success mmo.
These people are probably ones that pug a lot and complain why they get kicked when the lfg description says “zerks only”. Also mostly people who have no actual sense of combat or training at least.
logic: more damage = faster kill time.
rather than make dps useless (<—this just sounds dumb) why not improve combos since most of them aren’t very effective on PvE group play. Also, improve the efficacy of conditions as a source of damage on PvE.
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pretty much what i see here is just a simple divide of certain crowds.
Usually those who prefer tanky/support/heal-y builds are people who exclusively play mmos/ card game-like stuff/ rpgs most of their time, the traditional spank n tank games.
People who prefer to maximize dps in gw2 are usually gamers who play a variety of games that require good reflexes and hardcore action game fans.
this is a generalization i’ve made
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Why am I only recently getting input lag in mad king labyrinth during zerged events?
My TCP connections show steady latencies to the gw2 game server and google.
so since you refuse to play on a server that’s closer to you, it isn’t even A-Net’s fault, it’s the fault of people not understanding a closer server should provide better and more efficient latency.
There are no other servers except US and EU. China hasn’t opened and there is no Oceanic and SEA server.
If they say “oh we’re doing good with money” which they have, they need to spend more on servers and networking
You want good ping on a U.S server instead of 200+? How about you live in the U.S
no thanks, i like money and it’s here where i live.
Steam servers for dota 2 gives me 60ms and im in the philippines (FYI i only team up and play with friends from the US).
Anet gives >230ms.
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the warrior will be superior in everything including support after tomorrow.
nope
Those annoying generators that keep relocating our position, just stop it. it’s really annoying and disorienting especially as an active combat action-like game.
Those pedestals that go up and down on boss room, people get stuck there a lot because of forced positioning again.
The electric floor in boss room, cannot dodge or use endure pain.
Foreman spur, cannot use endure pain on whirlwind attack, also cannot interrupt just before he throws it even without defiant stacks. The damage doesn’t even show on the combat log which leads me to assume you purposely had programmed it differently to achieve certain effects. Don’t ignore your basic combat mechanics and make things a lot more unintuitive.
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The funny thing is that even if they removed skipping, the good players will still clear everything ridiculously faster because they will have the most efficient builds for doing so.
Well this is what this whole discussion boils down to. Elitists feeling insecure and thinking that “rabble” is trying to handicap them so that they can’t clear dungeons faster.
The reality is, nobody cares that you clear them faster. We want a better game, not to make you do things slower.
imo limiting ways of interaction or paths to success is a way to make a game worse; having options on how to deal with mobs is better than just having 1 way to do it.
dungeon paths are too linear already.
You can always ask for more ways of interaction and options. You shouldn’t ask for exploits to remain and act like they are a valid tactic.
The problem is that a lot of people prefer to have these exploits instead of a healthy game.
I really don’t think skipping is an invalid tactic or an exploit as the players actually have to interact with the mobs; similar to how gw1 running and aggro control was. Many other games even encourage skipping some mobs.
And in dungeons, for daily speed runs there isn’t that much skipping going on anyway.
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The funny thing is that even if they removed skipping, the good players will still clear everything ridiculously faster because they will have the most efficient builds for doing so.
Well this is what this whole discussion boils down to. Elitists feeling insecure and thinking that “rabble” is trying to handicap them so that they can’t clear dungeons faster.
The reality is, nobody cares that you clear them faster. We want a better game, not to make you do things slower.
imo limiting ways of interaction or paths to success is a way to make a game worse; having options on how to deal with mobs is better than just having 1 way to do it.
dungeon paths are too linear already.
as a dev said long ago, not in verbatim: pad up if you need to. if you trust your team you can go full dps.
I don’t see why it’s a problem for more skilled players to get better rewards, in this case faster clear times. Isn’t it only logical that more damage = faster kill?
Sure some players wont want you in their party, but why would you want to party with people who don’t want you in the first place?
You meant always wear mostly berserker/assassins, right? Because I do not believe it’s wise to tell pugs to “pad up”. Especially when most of them couldn’t proc might or fury to save their lives.
well, i really don’t care what they wear as i only run with people with a similar mindset or subculture if you can call it that.
if they want to strive to be better in the sense of accomplishing more in a shorter span of time, a lot of people in the community offer this information freely.
but if they expect specific group setups to accommodate for their heal/tanky builds when not wanted…they really shouldn’t force people to party with them. Why would anyone want to party when unwanted anyway?
as a dev said long ago, not in verbatim: pad up if you need to. if you trust your team you can go full dps.
I don’t see why it’s a problem for more skilled players to get better rewards, in this case faster clear times. Isn’t it only logical that more damage = faster kill?
Sure some players wont want you in their party, but why would you want to party with people who don’t want you in the first place?
So..let me get this straight.
If a mob is going to shoot me on the face…I am not intended to find cover and let him mutilate me?
btw, id like to ask how you know the developer’s intention of LoS strategies in general. It seems you personally know them and that they told you that general LoS strategies are definitely not intended and thus an exploit. I ask because I bet they thought of the idea since the obvious “no line of sight” message pops up when i aim a skill without..well..line of sight. Maybe they should equip mobs with 4-6.
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I do agree it was a broken currency.
I am against taking away karma from a lot of sources to FORCE players to do fractals and dynamic (not really dynamic) events; something akin to plinx farm. We’re already FORCED to do afk autoatk world bosses to get some dragonite ore to get our ascendeds.
It is an insult and a slap to the face that they nerfed it in exchange for 50 luck.
Anet’s method of doing things – 2 steps forward 3 steps backward. bravo
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personally, I’m happy they nerfed dailies and monthlies. They shouldn’t be a primary source of anything. It’s not a bad idea that they give a little bit of a lot of things. but 50 is a bit low compered to the other things you get, especially when you consider how much you need to use those things on.
1 laurel = ~3% of an ascended amulet
1 Mystic coin = 0.4% needed for legendary or 1-10% needed for a forge weapon
5s = ~1-5% needed to buy exotic weapon
600 karma = 0.0595% needed for legendary
50 luck = 0.0012% needed for 300% mfproportionally speaking, you get 1/50 as much luck as the next-lowest reward, and 1/1500 as much as the average. it should at least be proportional to your current luck level like gold is. so should karma, come to think of it.
I do agree on this.
Also, im not just talking about daily but the removal of karma from other sources like dungeons as well
There was always something to spend on with karma, most people just didn’t figure it out.
This is obviously done to slow down people’s progress for ascended weapons. It’s already time-gated and they add this on. Then they give a crap reason of nerfing the daily because of 50 luck….50 luck is nothing; it’s dirt. I could figuratively pick my nose and get 50 luckm
You don’t take back what you give people, that’s just rude.
And when was having too much of a currency ever individually a problem? first world problems much?
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So you mean to say we should bring back the plinx farm, or something like it? because that is a terrible idea.
Frankly, it’s insulting. Luckily I usually get it done without trying while roaming in WvW.
50 Luck… wtf.
Yeah, 50 luck is insulting. it’s like giving a hobo a bean.
Patch notes from September 3.
Today is October 4th.
Were you debating whether or not to actually let us all in on your revelation? Why keep us in suspense so long?
It’s a reminder of the garbage state of karma, and their sad excuse.
If they want to serve us a huge steaming crap in a plate, atleast make it fancy
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“Daily and monthly achievement rewards now include Essence of Luck. To offset this, the amount of karma earned from daily and monthly achievements has been reduced.”
wow 50 luck, thanks a lot! i’m sure 50 luck is a considerable amount! /sarcasm
lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.
facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…
you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..
umm i do arah all paths daily with a few friends on a melee zerk ele. Not as easymode/steamroll to handle as war or guard but definitely doable.
you want a cookie?.
i never said ele cant do anything. but that it will NEVER have the dps+survive of a war which was the op’s question which apparently 90% of all posters was too stupid to understand.
almost anything the ele does the war can easy mode with one hand on its back. THATS a big kittening balance gap between the classes….
quote any of the posters in this thread that mentioned survivability? because i see none, they only mention it;s doable and that they can output the same or more damage.
oh and ele dps is better than war, sometimes war doesn’t hold a candle
maybe you should actually read instead.. but i understand its VERY hard to keep interest to read even THE VERY FIRST POST!! so here is the quote just for you -.-
ps: war ALWAYS outshine ele’s in dungeons, saying otherwise shows a complete lack of basic knowledge of whats going on -.-
the ONLY place a ele could be prefferable to a war which i can think of is VERY high lvl Fractiles, but who knows i havent done high lvl fractiles in a long time so dont know if they have become absolite there as well :/Is possibile to make an ele with an output damage similiar to a war and with similar defence? I really don’t like to play a war i tried but i just don’t like it.
Thank you all for your help!
yeah, i read the first post. the gist of it he asked “ele with dps& survivability of war”
people answered “yes dps no comment on survivability”
maybe you should read properly. oh yeah i forgot, you find it difficult to do so.
fyi: if you mean to say war outshines ele, in terms of dungeon speedruns. LOL you obviously don’t know what’s up in the dungeon scene and you probably still pug.
don;t get me wrong, 1 or 2 wars are ideal to have in dungeons, but when you say eles arent preferred over another war in most situations in dungeons then you obviously have no idea.
post your data please, because there are videos of eles in 5man parties dominating speedkills and holding records, where is your evidence? DPS spreadsheet calculations pls.
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they better be upgrading for oceanic and asia regions to give latencies similar to valve servers then, not just to inconvenience us so they can make $$$ off china
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hm, looked at the video. seems one of those fights that are interesting the first time and would never repeat again.
imo stationary scripted bosses arent really fun.
Though it seems to be a huge improvement from the current auto-atk > alt tab bosses right now
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It’s back, someone spilled coffee on the servers again
lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.
facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…
you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..
umm i do arah all paths daily with a few friends on a melee zerk ele. Not as easymode/steamroll to handle as war or guard but definitely doable.
you want a cookie?.
i never said ele cant do anything. but that it will NEVER have the dps+survive of a war which was the op’s question which apparently 90% of all posters was too stupid to understand.
almost anything the ele does the war can easy mode with one hand on its back. THATS a big kittening balance gap between the classes….
quote any of the posters in this thread that mentioned survivability? because i see none, they only mention it;s doable and that they can output the same or more damage.
oh and ele dps is better than war, sometimes war doesn’t hold a candle
For lupi I have been taking my guard which takes considerably less aggro, though I feel like Im cheating when Im using said gained tokens to buy my ele stuff (sort of like I show off Liadri on my ele when it was my guard who defeated her, my guard is my slave of effectiveness and my ele is ripping the benefices….lol)
I encourage you to push your limits and try out stepping away from your comfort zone. By doing that it helped me play better.
Here’s one of our simple arah p3 runs, it’s definitely one of our longest/worst ones (thus the title arahahaha). We pretty much do this daily and we sometimes just go on casual mode.
Arahahaha P3
Lupi PartBut basically that’s how i’ve been playing ele for arah and lupi.
starting the lupi fight, i didnt immediately nuke to take away some aggro and watch out if he kicks immediately. Phase 3 i tried moving around less and just being stationary if nothing is hitting me.
im gonna try that!
Just out of curiosity, what are your traits, runes, stats?
Are you using Scholar or Ogre? I have been using Ogre lately since I cant seem to be able to stay above 90% hp when everything is targeting me. I have been using 3020/0/0/20 staff but I might give the conjures a try given how high the damage I saw there
pretty typical s/d 30/20/10/10/0 all directed to damage with scholar runes, but i used ruby when i first created my ele just to feel it out before committing to scholars.
If your party is good on fury (100% up time) and lacking in vuln then i think it’s better to use 25/25/10/10/0
just to add: in my experience a lot of my survivability will relies on your mes and team on positioning and feedbacks during the run
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lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.
facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…
you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..
umm i do arah all paths daily with a few friends on a melee zerk ele. Not as easymode/steamroll to handle as war or guard but definitely doable.
For lupi I have been taking my guard which takes considerably less aggro, though I feel like Im cheating when Im using said gained tokens to buy my ele stuff (sort of like I show off Liadri on my ele when it was my guard who defeated her, my guard is my slave of effectiveness and my ele is ripping the benefices….lol)
I encourage you to push your limits and try out stepping away from your comfort zone. By doing that it helped me play better.
Here’s one of our simple arah p3 runs, it’s definitely one of our longest/worst ones (thus the title arahahaha). We pretty much do this daily and we sometimes just go on casual mode.
Arahahaha P3
Lupi Part
But basically that’s how i’ve been playing ele for arah and lupi.
starting the lupi fight, i didnt immediately nuke to take away some aggro and watch out if he kicks immediately. Phase 3 i tried moving around less and just being stationary if nothing is hitting me.
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In the video he shows throwing boats, doing a swooping tidal wave dive.
Question: Does he physically move in space, or is it just some new animations and his body is physically stationary or sometimes just not able to take damage (like when he swoops)?
noticed this in CoE and Fractals in general, im not kidding you when I tell you that my entire premade always has me running around not doing much because most of the fight the bosses go for me regardless of what I do……. back when the mobs in Giant fractal could show the /point it would ALWAYS be me, even if I was at the back. Lupicus ALWAYS goes for me until Im dead in second phase. It doesnt matter if I only attacked once, he will go for me. My guild always laugh at it but Im sad because I have to pay the zhaitan shard swith my body and repair gold :C
A tip for CoE golem boss, have your friends (Warriors) use mace 5 when they see it, mesmers and guards do reflects.
For yourself, sometimes u just cant dodge because of the ring, bring arcane shield. And if you’re using lightning hammer conjure, use your own #3 for CC.
For Lupi, phase 1 > basically just dodge grubs and the kick, you’ll get the hang of it.
phase 2> dodge the swipe, mes pretty much handles phase 2 with reflects.
phase 3> this is going to suck if you’re rolling pure DPS and aggro is on you. my utility for this fight is usually [Armor of Earth][Lightning Hammer][Lightning Flash].
Armor of Earth for stability to get out of bubbles (not ideal because of cd but dnt knw what else to use) use mistform instead if you’re not a conjure ele.
Lightning flash to get out of whatever, it’s versatile.
I’m trying to do away with armor of earth since it means 10% less crit dmg for me. Recently on phase 3 I haven;t been moving as much so i don;t get bubbled often, not sure if bubble triggers when you move too much or something.
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k, so i took out 10 on earth, i pretty much have base toughness as with all in our party. CoE golem boss > i wait a bit before going in > i dial down dps and not do the combo in quick succession > guess who’s target #1 the whole fight? yeah, the ele.
imo i think something needs to be looked at in terms of aggro for eles
Anyone figure this out yet? my entire group wears identical stats of berserker gear. only other thing i can think of that’s different is i have 10 on earth and it gives me 100 more toughness.
And why is toughness a factor? why not overall armor instead? it makes more sense this way
I’m always the one singled out in terms of aggro.
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But I remain firm in my belief Anet stay true to their words now.
As with any business, trust is hard to earn but easy to lose.
GW1 – arenanet earned that trust.
GW2 – throughout all the crap I’ve been put through, they lost that trust and will be treated the same as other game companies we despise.
Is it really that hard? I mean, I log on and do my daily however I want and I get ascended gear out of it. I don’t call that a grind. It’s time gated yeah, but its not like it’s such a major stat buff that I can’t get groups or I’ll die without it….
It’s not hard, though it’s kittening annoying. Why can’t I get BiS gear by doing challenging content like fractals 80 and not by spamming 1 during those “world” events? Wait, I don’t even spam 1, I just leave autoattack turned on and watch a movie. Is this game really skill > gear? Is this how “end content” should look like? Standing in LA near crafting panel.
this…seriously…this.
and when ascended armor comes out, ascended WILL be the gear check in the future. (the total difference is huge)
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the problem is mainly not the decrease of amt of karma, more like the accessibility.
anet wants plinx farm back? seriously?
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They also removed karma from dungeons, which is dumb.
Anet is forcing us to play their terrible zerg/no skill/boring/no loss scenario meta events/light show and their terrible dynamic events that aren’t dynamic.
That or do Fractals which give garbage rewards.
Inaccessible WPs are a minor inconvenience, not a consequence.
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Garbage sanctum sprint lightning leap mechanic? in the form of a flower (check)
Excessive use of trampolines? (check)
Melee Assassins almost impossible to hit when having a little lag? (check)
You’ll be dying so much to these assassins even though you think you hit them or dodged properly.
I assure you, it;s not a money problem in terms of ISP. my rig is > $3000 and i have 3 connections in my home for different purposes.
Steam gives me 100ms on dota 2 on a BAD day; <50ms on a good one.
I’m not gna comment the “against a wall” thing, but the blink trick is not a big deal since cooldown for it is huge (40s)
not sure if troll or just ignorant…
wvw or solo Q? no thanks, we play real games designed for competition than gw2. MOBAs/ Fighting games/ FPS/ RTS.
wvw roaming is sad in t1
2345 is without banner.
ah, then that’s 100%