Guild Wars 2

MaxTheWrecker.5832:

Im folding tin foil hats.. anyone want one?

Max, Aeneq knows how it can be done. We’re not just theory crafting here. He’s a programmer who explained in another thread that the widely used “harmless” TP 3rd party programs can be tweaked in such a way that they can become bots. We’re way beyond folding hats here.

mtpelion.4562:

Aberrant.6749:

http://www.gw2spidy.com/ gives you info on the buy/sell volume which you can use to help judge this (it’s not exactly what you want, but the higher the volume the faster it’s being sold).

Oh I’m well aware of gw2spidy, I just want the information to be more easily available and more detailed. The Average Listing Age would help users to quickly spot price spikes without the need to use an outside resource.

Mpt, that’s actually a really good and constructive idea to level the playing field a bit.

An authorized TP app could do the rest. To my own detriment, I still refuse to use third party programs (I loathe the TP notifier concept as a whole), but it’s a lost cause arguing why it’s not legit over and over again while Anet simply remains silent and condones this behavior.

And gasoline: yea, I did farm all my mats for my first legendary (lots of cursed shore) but bought the precursor after wasting about 400 to 500 rares. Actually, the crazy precursor price combined with a heavy DR policy is what drove me to sit down and take time to learn a bit how TP trading worked.

LordByron.8369:

Risk/reward the base of any game
Totally unbalanced here……

The issue is the inflation caused by FALSE scarcity created by flippers.

They balance and nerf anything in the rest of te game not respecting their view of risk/reward….

So a lvl 80 FOTM player get slapped in the face while a TP flipper get each patch more rewards via rumors and patchnotes before release….

Go have a look at the price of linen, cotton, silk and gossamer right now.
You’ll see a huge downward spiraling curve. People that acted on “rumors” lost their gold bigtime today. You really have to qualify that “risk/reward” statement, for one because there is no risk when doing PvE/WvW, only reward.

Second, you are not “forced” to do the TP minigame. No one is. Scores of people acquired multiple legendaries without it. You started with the “speedclearer” comparison, I’ll finish it: speedclearers play content that gets them the most gold in the least amount of time. Even if it means doing one dungeon path all night skipping any mob that can be skipped, glitching through a dungeon in the most effective (read: exploitative) way. I did not want to participate in that, so I chose a “speed path” that fitted my playstyle better. I’m very glad I did, because it means I can enjoy content for what it is without stating on an official forum that by selling my items on the TP I am being “slapped in the face” – or other superlatives that are completely out of context and which – thus far – are devoid of any argument to back it up.

I’ll stop here: I wanted to help you formulate a good argument, because I actually believe there is some merit in it, yet all this has turned into is a rant against profiteering persons in the sky that make you a “victim” rather than a participant of the same system.

LordByron.8369:

Buttercup.5871:

The only reason I’m on the TP is to avoid having to grind myself to pieces in order to obtain what I want.

i hope you realize that comes at other player cost……
Possibly you will find some excuse….but your fun comes at other players fun expenses….

You were doing so much better, and now you start being unreasonable again I’m not forcing anyone to sell stuff to me. In fact, I sometimes lose money on the transaction because prices tank to rock bottom. Those who sell items on the TP are not the “victims” you make them out to be. That is just a really bad argument, which only works counter-productive. Again, there are plenty of “traders” that believe in your cause, but being unreasonable is not the way to get anyone’s support.

And please read my post before responding, as I did with yours. You’d have noticed that I did not enter the TP game because it’s so much fun, I came there because the alternative – grinding an uphill battle against DR – is worse. I’d rather use my brain and get rewarded for it than get frustrated over my horrible luck in getting any kind of decent drop. Even now, with ~160 magic find, my drops are horribad. So, instead of complaining, I worked on getting decent at being somewhat of a trader (although I’m a dwarf compared to most), which improved my gaming experience. I now can just enjoy playing the game without getting frustrated over my horrible luck. I can even enjoy the TP game now, it’s relaxing in a way.

I don’t disagree with your feeling that playing PvE/WvW content and playing the TP is out of sync. I just disagree with the arguments made in support, as well as the conclusion.

I think that instead of limiting the TP, we should first look at limiting DR and increasing reward-based gameplay. I only reverted to the TP when I saw that the more I played, the less the game rewarded me. That’s bad; that’s the part that needs to be addressed. It’s at the core of the frustration of those that don’t want to use the TP to obtain coin. The only reason I’m on the TP is to avoid having to grind myself to pieces in order to obtain what I want.

I agree the price is too steep.

I also agree that the person who made it should get a pay raise. Looks really, really nice!

I just can’t justify it to myself at this price anymore, the previous one was already on the steep side.

Corpus… (say what? your account name is “the body of Christ”?) Please don’t state your opinion as fact. I strongly disagree with your opinion. And saying things like “complexity of [snip]” really does absolutely nothing to foster a qualitative discussion on this topic. It shows your extreme bias, and will only make the devs zone out of this thread like a speedboat on steroids.

Why do you need an expansion for a new playable race? I’d rather be constantly fed with new stuff than wait until eternity for an x-pac (which is always delayed a few times, and usually manages to kill off a large portion of the player base during the long wait).

No, I like it like this. All they really need to add at this point is skill-based rewards, including armors.

LordByron.8369:

We all know TP is totally unbalanced as risk/reward….
We need several actions like the crystalline dust change….

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TP related problems impacting non TP flippers should be discussed in general section…
Unfortunately being here, Its like discussing stealth in thieves forum …..

You’d be surprised how many people are willing to listen to reason when they see it and I do believe you’re in the right section for this discussion. I’d merely like to point out that the crystalline dust action was a fix to a widely recognized problem. Thus far, other than the empyreal fragments/dragonite ore availability (or lack thereof) I have yet to hear complaints about the availability of materials required for ascended crafting. Even when it concerns gossamer; you must have gathered at least a stack playing the game normally the last months. If you then sold it cheap knowing full well what was coming (ascended crafting), that’s entirely on you.

LordByron.8369:

They can get 100% margins expecially when some dev suggests them to invest in ascended crafting materials to resell later -.-

So “normal” players will have their expenses doubled…..

Ok, now you’ve gone one bridge too far.
“The devs” informed everyone, using every communication channel available to them. They did not do it to “tip off” the flippers. No. “Flippers” did not need any help in that department, because what “the devs” said was beyond obvious. What happened was that the devs informed those that did not know so as to best level the playing field.

I’d also like to point out that the “speedclearers” you speak of have a choice: sell the materials they get or save them for later (for example, because “the devs” told them these would become valuable). They generate the materials on the TP, no “flipper” can do that. The “flipper” can only react in that sense, his/her actions are bound by, or are the result of – the actions of those that generate the materials. For example, I’m always amazed when people decide to sell an exotic, event-based temporary recipe for 3 copper and later turn around and accuse the “flippers” that selling it for 3 copper was a bad decision. This goes two ways, don’t blame everything on the “flipper”, who in the latter scenario probably had to reserve several bank spots for those recipes for a period of 6 months before the recipe in question became profitable (with the risk that it would still be worth only 3 copper after 6 months).

In this debate, don’t just take any argument and twist it in your favor. There are reasonable arguments to be made; this is not one of them. Quite the contrary, in fact.

Oh please no! I’m very happy for the OP that he’s doing content which allows him to “swim” in these materials, I certainly do not. They are an incredible grind to acquire. We need more empyal shards, not less!

The problem appears to be:

PvE (temples) = get dragonite ore
WvW = get empyreal shards

Balance them out and you’ve got a more healthy situation.

I’m glad you checked in Aeneq, I was about to refer to the earlier thread in which you explained that TP botting was possible through third party programs, but I see that won’t be necessary anymore.

(Just to clarify: Aeneq is one of the few programmers on this forum that is fully transparent about the possibilities of TP 3rd party programs. He knows his stuff).

I like it, but I will just point out this will destroy the 1-hour food buff market, which are far more expensive to craft than their half hour or even 20 minute equivalents.

You’re right of course, it is a matter of taste, I tend to come on too strong there.
Re: sleek design: do you mean like faithful/lionguard/vigil’s honor/ebon vanguard kind?

jaka.9635:

Besides not that many good looking axe skins exist.

No, just no. Reaver of the mists, Jade, fused, zodiac, Phoenix reborn, dreamthistle, these are all beautiful, fantastic skins. In fact, I didn’t buy Marjory’s axe because there already are so many beautiful alternatives out there, which is a rarity for me to say, that I couldn’t justify the purchase.

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Ohoni.6057:

I don’t believe the Trading Post should be removed, but I do believe that all items should be made “Account Bind on Purchase,” so that you can sell whatever you own on the TP, and you can buy anything you like on the TP, but you cannot buy stuff with the intent to sell it.

Congratulations. You just increased inflation by one thousand percent.
You know those “speculation spikes” you see after almost every new patch? Millions of leather squares, silk, or peppercorn, going up and down in price in the course of an evening? They suck the money out of the economy like there’s no tomorrow. I know of no gold sink in any game that so successfully drains the economy of its currency than the TP. Nothing rivals it.

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Buttercup.5871:

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Andrew.4506:

Harvesting isn’t the only way to get iron and wood. In fact there are much faster and easier ways to obtain them. Maybe look in to those before asking the game be changed to suit your gaming behavior.

Ugh Oh! U mean buy it? or bot it? No thanks. I spent $100’s of RL money to buy full sets of permanent gathering tools for all 9 of my char, why should i have to spend money now on buying those mats?

Think harder. You’ll eventually get it. It’s entirely legit and has been in the game since release. I’m surprised at your bluntness when I see not one, but two people that tried to help you here.

I don’t need your, or other players help to mine iron/wood, i need Anet to fix the problem, but tnx for your input.

Why create this thread then if you don’t need help? If you just want Anet to respond here, you’re in for a tough time, because they know they’ve implemented other ways leading to Rome – which you are unwilling to explore or even consider – and that the current market is sufficiently healthy with the existing crafting requirements.

When you read this, instead of immediately responding, take a deep breath, step back, and think. “What are three players alluding to that I’m not seeing?”

My help stops here btw. Had you been less dismissive, I would have pm’d you the answer.

KazNaka.4718:

NeHoMaR.9812:

Better reduce the cost of this:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Permanent_Bank_Access_Contract

I don’t quite get your point. This suggestion would also help in moving the perma bank contract from one alt to another.

Exactly, they don’t compete. The permanent bank contract gives you access to hundreds of items. The suggested account bag allows access to 3 to 10 items, max. The account bag is just meant to move your permanent harvesting tools and permanent contracts around from one character to the next without the fuss of waypointing both the giving and receiving character to a city, moving both to the bank etc. It saves players time, and generated money for Anet. It’s brilliant, everybody wins. Even those who have permanent contracts (arguably, they win even more).

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Andrew.4506:

Harvesting isn’t the only way to get iron and wood. In fact there are much faster and easier ways to obtain them. Maybe look in to those before asking the game be changed to suit your gaming behavior.

Ugh Oh! U mean buy it? or bot it? No thanks. I spent $100’s of RL money to buy full sets of permanent gathering tools for all 9 of my char, why should i have to spend money now on buying those mats?

Think harder. You’ll eventually get it. It’s entirely legit and has been in the game since release. I’m surprised at your bluntness when I see not one, but two people that tried to help you here.

We don’t know if it will be a legendary back item – or – one legendary trinket. I’ve seen the interview, we can’t tell yet.

Ok now I see some confusion here. Lampshade (who is not the OP) is not arguing abolishing the TP, but he proposes a “progressive tax”. We should try to distinguish the two positions.
My previous post was in reaction to the OP btw.

600 gems is a bargain compared to getting a ticket yourself. Trust me, some people literally begged Anet for this at a suggested gem price of 2000 gems.

This is, especially considering their quality and popularity (and anet’s previous extortianist gambling RNG #%^*%# track record) truly a bargain. It’s a giant leap in the right direction. I very much applaud it.

My guess is that it will be implemented around Christmas time. That’s what an anonymous user on wiki posted anyway, a few months back. Hasn’t been corrected since.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I believe the actual content is coming November 26th…only information will be released on the 19th.

This is indeed what they usually do. I don’t think 19 November is the release date.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Additionally it is speculated that ascended armor will be added, but that is just a rumor at this point.

I love rumors. I’ll assume this one to be true then.

Good luck mining 460 platinum ore, 990 Iron ore, 700 Mithril ore, 240 Soft Wood Logs, 450 Elder Wood Logs, 180 Hard Wood Logs, 90 Seasoned Wood Logs by yourself, just for one ascended weapon (in this case a greatsword).

In case you’re wondering: yes, it includes more ingredients, this was just a selection.

If you do away with the TP, the whole game needs an overhaul. It’s simply not feasible, and it’s doubtful whether it’s desirable as well.

Edit: if you want to put an end to the TP game, there are much simpler things to argue. Such as removing the buy offer system. That is where the big bucks are generated.

Dromar.1027:

Arkitech.9158:

It’s called a “Bank”.

IDK man its quite a jog to the bank from the wp.

Really though just make the bank accessible from the inventory tab from anywhere

That is already in the game through a permanent and non-permanent portable golem banker.

The brilliance of the OP’s suggestion is that, due to the limited space of the suggested account bag, it doesn’t compete with the existing gem store items, such as the golem banker, but supplements them in a major way (which, as I explained above, will generate further gem purchases, so everybody wins).

It’s mind numbing. If people want to do this, please let them. The rewards have been drastically nerfed, doing this is not worth it. People on the TP (equally boring) still make more per hour, let the farmers/grinders have something to compete if they really want to (and you need to really want to in order to keep doing this).

This fills a vacuum not covered by the bank golem or the permanent bank access. It’s a very good idea that will only generate more gem sales (because you’ll need gems to buy it, and it gives players even more incentive to buy the infinite tools).

If you confine it to 8 to 10 slots, it takes a unique place in the game that no other item can possibly cover, especially if you’re dealing with 8 or more alts.

By the price it looks like these are still in the BL chests. Can anyone confirm?
It really is turning into a “two minis to rule them all”. It was a good idea, absolutely, but for this long? Having had little to no reason thus far to doubt John’s infinite wisdom, I suspect there is a good reason and a long-term plan behind all of this?

A ranger on apothecary or settler gear (probably other classes too) can just run through the place dodging here and there. Just use troll unguent (or whatever it’s called), you don’t need the new heal skill anywhere. Also not in any of the new dungeons, which are completely solo’able.

I solo’d – and killed – the hybrid 3 times without dying. Seriously, this is a piece of cake with apothecary/settler gear. I even had the wrong build as my whole trait setup was for zerker instead of apothecary, but i didn’t bother to change. Didn’t even use that new heal skill, just my regular heal over time. All you need is a bit of patience (5 minutes for the boss fight); you won’t even dip under 90% of your HP if you keep kiting. You can probably zerker it as well, I’ll try that tomorrow.

So, do the mini caithe and the mini scarlet still drop from Black Lion chests?

Wow Gayle, well done! I must confess I really hadn’t expected that answer.
I commend you guys on your awesome customer service. This is exactly the kind of stuff that you make us very happy with (and I’m not even in this situation).

Hahahaha. I called it!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1qh40g/data_mining_upcoming_features_from_the_nightmares/

I won’t spoil it for you, not directly on this forum, but if this item interests you please go and have a look.

LadyRhonwyn.2501:

I prefer to use my laurels (which would otherwise be sitting doing nothing) than to use the TP to get money. The TP for me is only a place where I can stuff I don’t need and buy stuff I do need.

And we’re not all that lucky with our drops. I’ve never seen a drop that is even close to being 330g worth…

Besides, why would I want to hold on to my laurels? In that case, I probably shouldn’t have bought the two minis and potion either…

You assume that this precursor dropped. It hadn’t. I had bought it a few months back at 180g. And laurels are needed for many interesting things, which amongst others include ascended recipes. You can bet your money on the fact this trend will continue for buying recipes necessary to craft ascended armor.

This thread is full of win. I am eagerly awaiting the showdown.

McJAC.4739:

The thing is if you are not a great investor, playing the tp couple of hours every week…. you probably won’t make that 10% on your money per week.

250 gold is not that much for me to sell it. 2000 gold sounds better…so I’ll hold onto all 3 types of monocles I have for now.

If you don’t need your coin to buy anything in the near future, ie you have no goal, you can do that. Otherwise, I would not gamble on a price rise, when the opposite could happen through factors outside your control. The aetherblades haven’t exactly left Tyria, so you are taking a gamble. 750g for 3 monocles at a 500 percent profit ratio sounds good enough to me not to take that risk.

Zaxares.5419:

Honestly, I wish I could sell my level 1 – 20 scrolls. I have 5 “mains”, all at level 80, and at least 30 experience scrolls that I have no use for. At least the skill point scrolls are still handy for MF crafting.

Don’t those scrolls give a new character 20 levels and 15 skill points? If so, doesn’t that allow you to use those points in the way you chose is best (ie the MF)? And who will stop you from deleting that character after using the skill points, making a new one, and then rinse and repeat the above?

If that’s the case, didn’t Anet throw roughly 450g in your lap in skill points, assuming you know how to convert 1 skill point to 1g (I won’t help you there)?

Edit: do this right (ie finish the initial story line) an you’ll have 30 BL keys as well. Might be a nice additional incentive?

Hold on to your laurels. They’re banked time. Use your coin to make more coin and buy the mats off the TP. It sounds counter-intuitive, but here is what I did. I sold my precursor – take a deep breath – yes, and tripled the amount [330g—>900g] within two weeks because I saw some amazing opportunities that only required me to have a lot of coin. You need a bit of prior experience in trading to see the right opportunities though.
But most of the good opportunities require investments of 45g and up. Fair? No, but it works.

Hundreds of bows crafted and forged back in the days. Had no luck so had to buy the precursor at 500g. I’m glad you were lucky though OP, sounds awesome.

Yes, let’s all fill up 2-hour-queue WvW servers with people that only want to farm skritt for silver doubloons! Brilliant idea, I’m sure you’ll get a lot of support for that.

Malediktus.9250:

Buttercup.5871:

I think it was a smart move, too. That said, I can imagine these disappearing from chests on the 12th. It’s gone on quite a while now. I do like that those asking to receive something of value when opening BL chests (when not receiving scraps/tickets) got exactly that. That’s a good development.

And I think its a smart move that Silver Doubloons are staying as rare as they are.

Strange, as these have nothing to do with this thread; they have to do with your opinion of a thread I started elsewhere. It’s rather sad: time and again you show you can only enjoy the things you have (juggernaut, minis) if others don’t or can’t get them. If that is the prerequisite for your entertainment, you’re going to have a hard time in life.

I think it was a smart move, too. That said, I can imagine these disappearing from chests on the 12th. It’s gone on quite a while now. I do like that those asking to receive something of value when opening BL chests (when not receiving scraps/tickets) got exactly that. That’s a good development.

KOPPER.1458:

I was mistake on the number of charged lodestones for the legendary weapons. Still Mjolnir and Infinite Light require more and aren’t even legendary weapons. They aren’t even ascended at this point.

You can farm chests for these, combine pebbles in the forge, and open bags just to name a few ways of getting them. I don’t see them as any worse than charged lodestones and in some ways are far easier for me to get. I see 3-6 a week without trying. (these are from chests).

Did you read the part in this thread that opening 75 thousand bags, or forging 25 thousand pebbles isn’t a solution? Or forcing people to make alts to reap rewards for puzzles they didn’t do? Before you skip reading them too and respond anyway: these are generous estimates, the real numbers are likely higher (and not cheaper either, although that is merely a nasty side effect of the core design problem).

Killing 190,000 skritt won’t solve the inherent design problem, but it may help depending on how many people pick this up.

I doubt though that zergs will kill skritt rather than defend their keep or attack that of their opponent during a WvW season that rewards winners. So, more likely, it will attract farmers that take up a valuable spot on full WvW servers. Personally speaking, when I WvW, I want to help my server (gold league, currently 2nd place) win.

KOPPER.1458:

I am still wondering why this is an issue? They aren’t even that expensive when compared with some of the other legendary components.

Huh? Other than the precursor, what legendary component – or in this case, sub component – is more expensive? I’d really like to know.

When it comes to gift recipes, even legendaries that require charged lodestones are twice as cheap.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Option A: Farm Silver Doubloons from JP chests using low level characters
Pros – SDs for free if they drop from chest
Cons – Time consuming

Option B: Buy Silver Doubloons from TP
Pros – Get SDs instantly
Cons – Costly

Option C: Complain about availability and price.
Pros – Helps to release frustrations by venting, and let’s Devs know how you feel
Cons – Does not add SDs to your inventory

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People have different options available to them in this game. Each of us makes the choice to go with the option we’re comfortable with. But remember, just because you pick an option you like, it doesn’t mean it’s the best choice.

Option C clearly isn’t the easiest option. But I’ll go with that I think is right. And unintended gameplay – or the promotion thereof – isn’t right. Neither is saying nothing about it when you know it’s wrong. In fact, it’s even worse if you defend it and you know it’s wrong. But we’ll leave that discussion for another time.

Nike.2631:

Then take it as directed at the generic ‘you’ you are so bravely championing.

Simple truth is if I can stack up 25 silver doubloons in two weeks and a total play time of under an hour without being even interested in the result, I DON’T BELIEVE YOUR PREMISE that they are too hard to get.

You’re essentially telling me to to delete three of my nine characters just so that they can do nothing but be a level 21 piggy bank and open chests at jumping puzzles they never really did. Or buy three additional character slots solely for this purpose instead.

I will not accept this kind of unintended gameplay. I’d rather bleed and buy the legendary straight from the TP than do that. It’s wrong.