Guild Wars 2

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Coulter.2315:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Coulter.2315:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Coulter.2315:

Doam.8305:

Gw2 at least had hearts

How can you complain about “grind” and then cite the most grindy part of the game as a positive….

Is everyone else using a different definition of “grind” and I missed the memo?

At least the hearts could be solo’d at your own pace..

Are you having trouble asking map chat to help at heropoints? Are you having difficulty killing the mobs? Are you having difficulty doing the story? Help me out here.

You’ll be doing everything at your own pace, its hard to steal someone elses.

People don’t always come and help no. I’m dependent on other people willing to come and help, and some of the hero point encounters are even timed. Maybe it will be easier when I start using other classes, but on my tempest it has been hell.

Oh just ask for help and if no one replies move on and come back later (assuming you can’t do it solo). The content is very much more a group effort, communicate with the map and it really opens up a fun atmosphere – we just completed the Tarir meta event with map chat communication.

If you don’t feel like chatting to people you can just solo explore and enjoy the scenery or have smaller impacts – I went and used my Alacrity to help a few people to the poisoned food hero point and used portal to help a few folk.

Or I should just be able to enjoy the game as I have always been able to enjoy it?

Thats not how progress and new things work, the game moved forward – it will require some adjustment but if you can take the step I think you’ll find it rewarding.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Coulter.2315:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Coulter.2315:

Doam.8305:

Gw2 at least had hearts

How can you complain about “grind” and then cite the most grindy part of the game as a positive….

Is everyone else using a different definition of “grind” and I missed the memo?

At least the hearts could be solo’d at your own pace..

Are you having trouble asking map chat to help at heropoints? Are you having difficulty killing the mobs? Are you having difficulty doing the story? Help me out here.

You’ll be doing everything at your own pace, its hard to steal someone elses.

People don’t always come and help no. I’m dependent on other people willing to come and help, and some of the hero point encounters are even timed. Maybe it will be easier when I start using other classes, but on my tempest it has been hell.

Oh just ask for help and if no one replies move on and come back later (assuming you can’t do it solo). The content is very much more a group effort, communicate with the map and it really opens up a fun atmosphere – we just completed the Tarir meta event with map chat communication.

If you don’t feel like chatting to people you can just solo explore and enjoy the scenery or have smaller impacts – I went and used my Alacrity to help a few people to the poisoned food hero point and used portal to help a few folk.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Coulter.2315:

Doam.8305:

Gw2 at least had hearts

How can you complain about “grind” and then cite the most grindy part of the game as a positive….

Is everyone else using a different definition of “grind” and I missed the memo?

At least the hearts could be solo’d at your own pace..

Are you having trouble asking map chat to help at heropoints? Are you having difficulty killing the mobs? Are you having difficulty doing the story? Help me out here.

You’ll be doing everything at your own pace, its hard to steal someone elses.

Doam.8305:

Gw2 at least had hearts

How can you complain about “grind” and then cite the most grindy part of the game as a positive….

Is everyone else using a different definition of “grind” and I missed the memo?

Seera.5916:

You’re missing the point of the people who have voiced their displeasure.

They don’t want to play through the new content (excluding elite specs for those who consider them content) with the core specs. They want to play through the new content with fully unlocked elite specs.

ANet has also removed the player’s choice of what order they get to experience the new content. They’ve made map completion and masteries have to be the first two looked at.

I used my Elite Spec instantly (the Shield and mechanics were too much to miss out on) and grew more powerful as I went through the content – as I progressed. You really don’t need to do the content in the way you least enjoy.

ZERONIX.5873:

Hot made gw2 just feel different. Standing at a hero point waiting 10-20 minutes for people to show to help me wasn’t fun. The game feels empty in 3 of the 4 new maps, Those of us who want map completion can’t solo. content which means to obtain legendarys we have no choice but to wait at every hero point. People now run by downed players instead of helping. The play together feel is gone. The personal story extremely difficult to play on a 14k health elementalist making me play a different class to survive. Overall the great feel gw2 had is gone just left a bad taste in my mouth. True some things I like the contents beautiful gliding is fun. Do you guys feel it’s become empty and less friendly also?

Have you asked in Map chat? Because any map I’ve been in when someone asks they had many people replying to come help.

markot.3946:

Coulter.2315:

markot.3946:

Do you know what ‘challenge’ means? You cant just use the word however you want.

Challenge:
1.
a call or summons to engage in any contest, as of skill, strength, etc.
2.
something that by its nature or character serves as a call to battle, contest, special effort, etc.:
Space exploration offers a challenge to humankind.
3.
a call to fight, as a battle, a duel, etc.
4.
a demand to explain, justify, etc.:
a challenge to the treasurer to itemize expenditures.
5.
difficulty in a job or undertaking that is stimulating to one engaged in

What part of time gating and grinds meets the definition of ‘challenge’. Its like calling a grind to max lvl a ‘challenge’. Its not.

One of the worst aspects of mmos to me has always been ‘get to cap, thats when the fun begins’. GW2 was always different to me.

Now its not.

Have you taken the time to actually listen to the NPCs, look at the gorgeous environments, explore the area and do new events? You don’t need to grind you’ll get all you need by doing these things – just look at it as an experience instead of trying to race to some imaginary finish line.

I leveled up my characters in wvw. Id have to play for how long to simply unlock a new spec tree that I can use effectively? Now repeat for all my characters.

I have a job already.

And none of that is a ‘challenege’.

Ive never cared much for pve, but now its pretty much mandatory.

And exploration? You mean the thing that is now locked behind pointless grinds? You could run to orr if you wanted to at lvl 1 in the day. You could do all the jumping puzzles…. etc…

See I think thats your problem, you’ve literally grinded your way to level 80 with the Karma train and lost perspective on what the game is, you just want to not go back to that horrible Karma train (and I don’t blame you).

But seriously the new areas are great and engaing (the mob design is really good) and this is coming from someone who primarily PvPs. i’m sure you’ll find it fun if you give it a chance.

Letifer.4360:

My problem is the stupid glider, sometimes I can’t even leave the floor there is no way to use the glider…

My Guardian guildy was able to out heal the attack when he tried it, not sure how viable that is for everyone though. Yer the glider is buggy, was the main barrier for me – I found running to where your NPC friends gather under the bubble shot me up with better frequency than trying to jump into the wind funnels.

markot.3946:

Do you know what ‘challenge’ means? You cant just use the word however you want.

Challenge:
1.
a call or summons to engage in any contest, as of skill, strength, etc.
2.
something that by its nature or character serves as a call to battle, contest, special effort, etc.:
Space exploration offers a challenge to humankind.
3.
a call to fight, as a battle, a duel, etc.
4.
a demand to explain, justify, etc.:
a challenge to the treasurer to itemize expenditures.
5.
difficulty in a job or undertaking that is stimulating to one engaged in

What part of time gating and grinds meets the definition of ‘challenge’. Its like calling a grind to max lvl a ‘challenge’. Its not.

One of the worst aspects of mmos to me has always been ‘get to cap, thats when the fun begins’. GW2 was always different to me.

Now its not.

Have you taken the time to actually listen to the NPCs, look at the gorgeous environments, explore the area and do new events? You don’t need to grind you’ll get all you need by doing these things – just look at it as an experience instead of trying to race to some imaginary finish line.

Sylent.3165:

Doing wvw events over and over and over again to get elite spec IS a grind.

Don’t do that then… Fully unlocked Elite Spec in under 2 days of HoT being out (and I certainly didn’t play the whole time).

Your Masteries will carry over to your Alts and so you’ll be able to zoom round their HPs super fast. You’ll level the required Masteries for Story just by exploring and seeing the new, fresh content – no need to grind.

The only grind you mentioned is self imposed.

SleepingDragon.1596:

So far I couldn’t even spend more than 1 hour without falling asleep. It was so bad, I kept falling off the cliff in the new areas every 5 seconds. Went to sleep early since GW2 failed to live up to the hype. WvW with the exception of Eternal Battlegrounds, the other maps are just horrible reincarnation of silverWASTE and drytop. The best part of GW2 is the mad king events… That didn’t require me to waste money on these new contents that feels more like heavy grind. Smart way to make the game long… Limited contents, but forced grindfest to unlock everything… The free living stories was more fun. No offense to the developers. I know they tried, but can’t please everyone. I’m now waiting for the next sale for Diablo 3 and try that out for a bit. Probably take a break until these excessive grinds gets fixed. Mastery and elite specialization is more grind than anyone can imagine… I’m glad I only bought 2 copies. Don’t need to get the other copies for other family members , at least not yet.

Just incredible, tried for an hour and thought he was grinding then goes to buy Diablo3. Speechless.

I have all masteries necessary to get through all the maps comfortably and my Elite Spec fully unlocked (its day2) – you don’t need to grind and you cannot grind for the Elite Spec because you only achieve it with Hero Challenges which are unique, in different areas and are not repeatable (literally impossible to grind them – though some people think it is grinding so they must be using some new definition I don’t know).

Skolops.2604:

I managed it on the 3rd or 4th try. First try took what seemed like forever, but I got him very close, then got hit by a rock on a gliding phase so fell and died. 2nd and 3rd attempts I didn’t get far. Fourth attempt I had totally broken gear, but beat him – and it was much, much shorter than the first attempt.

Here is what I did on my winning effort:

I got much more concerned with doing damage and focused LESS on surviving in the first stage. I decided to go all out realizing that many of his first phase attacks are easily dodgable. When the blighteds started coming, I similarly decided to go more all in on damage to get them down quickly. I am not sure exactly how, but at one point his breakbar went all the way down and he was stunned and took hugely amplified damage, so that the phase when you get all of the adds to kill happened BEFORE the last blighted had been turned good. After killing the adds, Mordremoth’s breakbar was dropped again and he was stunned, and I nuked him to death.

Ultimately, I think the biggest key was getting those breakbars down, but I honestly don’t know how I did it.

Haha he bugged, he isn;t meant to have a break bar at that point xD Thats meant to be at the end phase.

Guys you literally CANNOT grind for Hero Points; they are unique, in different locations and cannot be repeated. Elite Specs cannot be achieved with grind (why do people keep saying they are grinding for Hero Points?).

The r4 Mastery requirement to progress with the Story has also been removed (this was the only thing that may have made you want to grind – its gone).

What game are you guys playing? Are you just not exploring or trying new things? If there is any grind being done it is self imposed and not necessary.

I have my Elite Spec fully unlocked and lots of Masteries and its day 2, I did this by exploring and Story – with ZERO repetition. There is no grind, if you’re grinding you’re doing it wrong…

I personally loved it; massive maps with so much content in them (gorgeous too, Auric Basin is beautiful), Chronomancer is a joy to play, some very funny bits in the story, the mob design is the best they’ve done (you need to play differently against certain varieties and meta events in Dragon’s Stand will throw combinations at you that are challenging), the Masteries are great (Gliding is amazing – I have died a few times coming back to Core Tyria and jumping off high places – and the mushrooms too). Haven’t looked at the Borderlands yet and I know Chrono is a beast in PvP already from playing in the beta weekends. Oh and guild halls let you decorate if you’re into that (I’ve never understood player housing desires but some people do love that sort of thing).

Big thumbs up for most of it. It was a little lacking in new skins though (a small thing really).

Dashingsteel.3410:

mastery system = character progression This is what should take a lot of time to do

elite spec = alternate playstyle Nothing elite about these specs…. there can’t be because of pvp balancing and pay to win factors….. “Elite” was just a name thrown on them to justify a hideous 400 hero point cost…. Those elite traits and utilities should be the same cost as any other traitline circle and utility circle…

I agree the expansion had some very nice things about it. 400 hero points for an “elite” spec that isn’t elite was not one of these nice things. It shares a similar stench with the new player experience.

Actually the Mastery System is Account Progression and the Elite Spec is Character Progression (Anet has said this at many events and blog posts). I’m pretty sure they named them Elite Specs before they even considered how many Hero Points to make them (pretty tinfoil hat to think it was the other way around).

The maps have a crazy amount of content and depth to them; so many event chains with different paths, incredibly beautiful locations and just huge (I was shocked when I discovered how big Tangled Depths was – it just keeps going).

Decado.9304:

Coulter.2315:

Again the content is really fun and I think if these guys would just go give it a try and get into it they’d have what they want and have a blast doing it.

You really think i (and virtually every other wvw/pvp player who says they dont pve) hasn’t at least tried pve? I’ve ran 2 chars all the way to the final mission, although i haven’t got interested enough to actually do that one yet tho. Ive been in the odd dungeon (3 story modes iirc) and ran a few world bosses.

For the most part…utterly boring as kitten. But who cares, this is a multi mode game so wether you only pve or pvp or wvw or do some combination of all 3, you should have access to the basic game mechanics

Well most of my time in game has been doing PvP and you get access to everything (balanced, no Perplexity or +40% condi duration food here thanks) there anyway with far tighter controls to maintain competativeness and balance so there’s no point dragging that into the conversation.

What I’m telling you is YES the PvE at launch was awful, but go check out the new stuff its really good (this is coming from someone who mainly PvP’d). Plus gliding is fantastic – really adds a whole new level of freedom and exploration.

Decado.9304:

Dante.1763:

I wonder just how many of these people saying such things wanted WVW mapping removed from tyrian mapping!(I did, but i still went out and mapped it)

hehe yeah i remember the mega whining that went on over that. Sooooo unfair to force us to wvw when we don’t want to……plznerfploxkthx

I certainly didn’t because I appreciate all the aspects of the game and I think you’d benefit (benefit both in gaining what you want and having a good time) if you took off the blinkers and tried something new. Its so much better than the PvE the game launched with, I promise.

hurrado.2346:

Vayne.8563:

DaShi.1368:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

When a change is made to this game that I don’t like, I try to look at the overall picture, because it’s NEVER just about me. I don’t complain about what I don’t like if I can see the reason things have been done. Many changes have inconvenienced me. I see why they were done and I move on.

There are many people who already have over 200 skill points on their characters. The game needed both account and character progression. Masteries are account progression,. elite specializtaions are charater progression.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s unlikely to change, because they’re more benefit to the game by leaving it this way than changing it.

I’m not saying it’s about me. You are.

Except now the fact that there are legitimate problems it seems to be “JUST about you” many players are left in the dust and its just unacceptable and most suggestions are very reasonable. People don’t want a grind, that isn’t what this game is about and it should not be about.

A grind is repeating a task over and over, you get hero points going to individual locations that are all unique across a varied landscape and you CANNOT repeat them – it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to attain an Elite Spec with GRIND.

Straylight.7529:

Acetone.4793:

Just think about it for one second. Why do you have to grind at all to unlock what is essentially a new class? You don’t have to grind to unlock Revenant and it makes total sense, right? Why do you have to grind to get the Reaper? It’s not ascended gear, it’s not a big accomplishment, it’s simply a different way to play. Since when does GW2 locks you from being able to enjoy different ways to play?

You are comparing a new class (Revenant) to something that isn’t a new class (elite specs).

But has been described for MONTHS as character progression, its not a progression if its instant. (Elite Specs)

Again the content is really fun and I think if these guys would just go give it a try and get into it they’d have what they want and have a blast doing it.

Labjax.2465:

Thanks for the advice. If you exit the instance, do you have to do the two pre parts again, with the companion blighted? (the pre before you reach the big guy)

Yer you’ll need to kill them again, but they aren’t too tough with Zerker (and you’ll know what they’ll do this time so can build appropriately).

hurrado.2346:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Now we’ve established both my points of the previous post are correct would you like to retract your post? :P

So once again, this is a PVE only expac? I hope they lock BASELINE content in the next expansion behind content you dislike. The expac is for everyone, and therefore should account for that, I paid money for it, I did not pay money for players like you to get the enjoyment because it is locked behind content that is a chore to me, in a game I shouldn’t have to do chores.

Your argument is ignorant and flawed.

Its actually really fun though, thats why we’re disappointed. Go try it, the mobs dodge more than WvW players anyway :P

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Now we’ve established both my points of the previous post are correct would you like to retract your post? :P

lol, neither of your points were correct. lol

1) They complained they don’t have Elite Spec but refuse to go PvE.
2) I did go PvE and have had my Elite Spec fully unlocked for over 10hrs with ZERO grinding.

It doesn’t take much time to unlock and people who refuse to do content will naturally have to deal with negative effects of their own choices.

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Now we’ve established both my points of the previous post are correct would you like to retract your post? :P

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

Decado.9304:

Straylight.7529:

Decado.9304:

Virtually every complaint I have read regarding elite spec cost of 400 pts is complaining about the steepness of it and the need for it to be reduced, NOT ELIMINATED but reduced so that people can obtain then in reasonable time (especially those of us, and there are many, who dont PVE)

The expansion came out three days ago. You still have enough time to collect your hero points within reasonable time.

so you think a year or 2 is reasonable time to unlock a specialisation on a dozen characters?

Why is it anyone’s job to apply “reasonable” to someone with 12 characters, stop churning out things you don’t have time for…

The best way to manage the fight I found was to separate the Blighted from the boss (Caithe will tank the boss for you if you run far enough). If he has the swirling CC zone up stay inside and JUST focus on surviving (rotate CDs blocks/endure/evades etc) then when it drops use a movement skill to zoom miles away and the Blighted will follow you. Kill the Blighted and open the rift.

The flying part I found a little buggy and also watch out for the floor not respawning as sometimes it doesn’t come back and the Rift spawns in empty space (I needed to suicide and reset when that happened).

Also if you die some aspects of the fight don’t reset (the Eye of Mord will be there from the start instead of after the 2nd large attack), this can be why your first try was easier. You can do the instance again to fully reset it and the bugs tend not to be there – better flying and no failed floors the first round.

I don’t understand why people are upset either, I got my elite spec fully unlocked early Sunday and didn’t start playing until late Friday evening and had all the Masteries required for story on Saturday.

Its literally opening weekend and people are saying because they didn’t get something instantly its suddenly a “grind.” Everything I did to get my Masteries and Elite Spec was new content – no repetition of events or areas – just exploring and the Story.

The expansion is beautiful, the mobs are fun to fight, the maps are huge with so mmany hidden fun bits, the meta events are well designed and the story was pretty good too. Clearly a lot of work has gone into it and people are too busy obsessing over not having access to a GM trait instantly that they are missing the fun.

If this is how people react to all the work put in I hate to imagine how the devs are feeling – because it isn’t a fair representation of what we got… Mob mentality or just too much hand holding in the past? And people who say “you only are having fun because you played the game more” are basicly saying “you have fun the more you play” (‘less is more’ only works for makeup).

I played through the story and went exploring in maps and have my elite spec fully unlocked, I would hardly say having full access after less than 2 days a “grind.” I was also just doing things I wanted to do and having fun – nothing repetative or dull.

The maps are massive and beautiful (if you get confused try opening your map and thinking), the story was fun (last boss was a little buggy) with awesome cutscene art, the Chronomancer is just amazing to play, the Mordrem Guard are some of the most interesting mobs to fight even in zerg content (I would port to interupt chain Snipers and angle them out of the main zerg – what other content have you needed to take that initiative before?), the meta event chains are fun and final encounters are vaired and engaging.

There is a lot of new content and I really don’t understand the complaints – they even removed the r4 mastery requirement for the story.

Had a great time with the expansion! The maps are massive, varied and brilliant (Auric Basin is beautiful), the masteries let you feel progression, the cutscene in City of Hope is awesome, Taimi’s holomarkers were really funny.

Super fun, had a really good day – just wanted to say thanks ^^

Rococo.8347:

Destruct Robin.5203:

50 bucks is nothing. I spend more in coffee in a month.

I really wish people would stop being so dismissive of another persons concept of ‘expensive’

Many people DONT spend £40 a month on Coffee because they are too busy making sure they can pay their energy bills on time…learn a little empathy

I agree some people are dismissive but GW2 is still the best value for money on entertainment I think. As a student I have not bought any other games or such extravagances over the last few years while having good access to entertainment.

HoT was announced over 10 months ago, I started saving a few pounds a week and then bought my basic copy during the summer, the price really isn’t an issue even for cash strapped unless you didn’t notice for the last 10 months it was on its way.

They announced that WvW drinks will be removed and replaced by boosters – the chests likely got swept up too. Maybe you could ask for boosters in a ticket to replace them.

You get to play the minute you’re home from work/uni/school tomorrow, its not a bad thing really (I’d rather immediate play than waiting until later at night).

You didn’t pay for the specs you paid for HoT and HoT includes a way to get specs – so now you need to go do that.

You don’t get to define what you paid for, imagine I wrote “I paid for the new legendaries, I don’t want to grind for them.” <- you can see how stupid it is.

Swagger.1459:

Ayrilana.1396:

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet

Your turn

A full ascended berserker set vs a full exotic berserker set is a 12.5% difference. If you want to niggle over armor alone then ok, we are talking about full ascended vs exotic silly…

Actually the thread is about Ascended Armour. Ascended Armour will provide +20 primary stat and +16 secondary stats for the WHOLE SET – this is insignificant and can just be got in your own time, no need to rush.

The FULL set of Ascended Armour give +20 primary stat and +16 secondary stats, this will never be a big enough difference to “require” it. Don’t worry too much and collect the pieces in your own time.

IchbinVol.5407:

All this seems like a bad idea, and just an excuse to make veterans work more for what they’ve already done.

You cannot work more for what you’ve already done… You’ve already done it.

If anything the heavier Hero points in HoT is a boon to veterans because they can spend more time in HoT with alts.

IchbinVol.5407:

Coulter.2315:

dom.2748:

Coulter.2315:

ScribeTheMad.7614:

I’ll simplify it for you.

I wanted to play the new content as my Herald.

Not play the new content to get a herald at the end.

Ok lets take this example.

You want to play Herald in HoT this means you’re starting a NEW Rev, right?

You now need to level it (with tomes or regularly), by leveling you GAIN Hero points.

You reach 80 having SAVED enough Hero points to unlock Herald’s skills, traits etc.

You now SPEND those Hero points on Herald mechanics.

Congratulations you now get to play HoT as a Herald.

Incorrect, Colin literally said you need to unlock all the core stuff to unlock the elite spec.

Ah righto.

Yeah, this is WHY ppl are angry. A 3 year vet, with map completion, is forced to farm more to get something they should already have access to.

Well you say that but say you started a Ritualist in Cantha it didn’t come with all skills unlocked. I don’t think this complaint of “we should have it” makes any sense – where do people get the expectation from? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a MMO where you start with everything unlocked for a new class. GW2 players have been spoiled by Tomes but I do not think that being spoiled and demanding you continue to be spoiled is a good mental state to foster.

dom.2748:

Coulter.2315:

ScribeTheMad.7614:

I’ll simplify it for you.

I wanted to play the new content as my Herald.

Not play the new content to get a herald at the end.

Ok lets take this example.

You want to play Herald in HoT this means you’re starting a NEW Rev, right?

You now need to level it (with tomes or regularly), by leveling you GAIN Hero points.

You reach 80 having SAVED enough Hero points to unlock Herald’s skills, traits etc.

You now SPEND those Hero points on Herald mechanics.

Congratulations you now get to play HoT as a Herald.

Incorrect, Colin literally said you need to unlock all the core stuff to unlock the elite spec.

Ah righto.

ScribeTheMad.7614:

I’ll simplify it for you.

I wanted to play the new content as my Herald.

Not play the new content to get a herald at the end.

Ok lets take this example.

You want to play Herald in HoT this means you’re starting a NEW Rev, right?

You now need to level it (with tomes or regularly), by leveling you GAIN Hero points.

You reach 80 having SAVED enough Hero points to unlock Herald’s skills, traits etc.

You now SPEND those Hero points on Herald mechanics.

Congratulations you now get to play HoT as a Herald.

Ah crafting, of course, thanks.

Swagger.1459:

Are you being serious or trying to be crafty?

Would either mean you wouldn’t tell me how? Or is there no way to level with gold?

Swagger.1459:

How long have you been playing the game?

Since launch I’ve just not come across how you level with gold, I’m curious what I missed.

Swagger.1459:

I really don’t see why players would take issue to this considering you can level up a character and outfit them in the best gear with gold already

How do you level up with gold?

Ashen.2907:

Coulter.2315:

Ashen.2907:

The one to Rule.2593:

He did speak for his own circumstances.

She also spoke of other people’s circumstances. If she had spoken only of how it was not expensive for her that would be one thing. Telling others to get a job is something else.

Personally I am willing to spend hundreds of dollars for a game that I feel is worth it. I spent in the neighborhood of a thousand dollars in the months following GW2’s launch.

I would consider HoT to be too expensive if priced at anything above $0. This is not because I am unwilling to spend money. It is purely because what has been announced as included in the price of the expansion is without worth to me.

The one to Rule.2593:

I guess the last 3 years of free play

I paid for every minute of that, “free,” play. Until very recently so did everyone else.

How did you manage to spend $1000 on outfits but think $50 is too much for extra story, pve maps, raids and specs? (plus all the extra bits)

I liked what I bought but do not find the announced HoT elements to be of interest.

I disliked the LS story. As much as I love the core gameplay of GW2 LS2 almost convinced me to uninstall. Who knows perhaps HoT’s story won’t be complete garbage.

Anet have announced that the HoT maps will focus on verticality. Not my cup of tea. Add in commentary about navigation difficulties for the colorblind and my interest in the jungle maps is further reduced. Other elements such as the mushrooms and gliders are also off-putting for me.

Never have raided. Closest I’ve come is things like the Deep or Urgoz in GW1. Most of my friends have quit GW2. Buying an expansion for group content when the people you like playing with won’t be there would be silly IMO.

I tend to focus on a single main character. Play him for thousands of hours. Experiment with builds, kill untold thousands of mobs, generally just have fun with the combat system. Specifically a main Ranger. Druid has no appeal for me. I do have several 80’s but no real interest in developing them into a new spec.

I must admit to being surprised by the quoted question. It is comparable, to me, to asking, “how can you be willing to spend $1000 on your favorite foods but not $50 on foods you actively dislike.”

Paying $50 for something that you find uninteresting or actively distasteful seems more off than anything else IMO.

For what it is worth, I have never bought an outfit.

Its your money, just you have a very different way of measuring to me – especially since gemstore items could all have been bought with in game gold and they didn’t improve the game in anyway (besides cosmetics), while the expansion would give you whole new things to do and see (plus new skins if thats what you like).

If the expansion only provided 5% of the enjoyment you got out of your gemstore purchases in the first few months it would still be on par with your purchases and worth it. I think you’re missing out – still time to get that free char slot too

Ashen.2907:

Sykper.6583:

In the raid instance you are put into combat, so Legendary Armor can’t flip stats anyways.

Perhaps, but it might make it easier to alter your spec from your norm to meet the needs of a group before entering the raid.

Still face the cost of changing runes though.

You only are stuck in combat when the boss pulls – not inside the raid permanently.

Astralporing.1957:

Coulter.2315:

Ohoni.6057:

group 1 people would have no reason to be upset

Unless you count having someone take away something you worked for as a reason to be upset – do a bit of thinking xD

Do you really believe it would be reasonable to just remove all Ascended equipment from the game tomorrow given the hours that hundreds of thousands of people put into getting them?

It’s too late for that, i’m afraid – but then, if you really looked at Ohoni’s posts you’d realize that this isn’t what he’s asking for.

At this moment what should happen is to make ascended gear more easily obtainable.

Things are easily obtainable once you’ve had 2 years of time saving up to get it – or did you infact just not prioritise it and spent your money on other things and now are too lazy to undo that mistake with work and are so advocating for this “easer to obtain” option. Classy.

Ashen.2907:

The one to Rule.2593:

He did speak for his own circumstances.

She also spoke of other people’s circumstances. If she had spoken only of how it was not expensive for her that would be one thing. Telling others to get a job is something else.

Personally I am willing to spend hundreds of dollars for a game that I feel is worth it. I spent in the neighborhood of a thousand dollars in the months following GW2’s launch.

I would consider HoT to be too expensive if priced at anything above $0. This is not because I am unwilling to spend money. It is purely because what has been announced as included in the price of the expansion is without worth to me.

The one to Rule.2593:

I guess the last 3 years of free play

I paid for every minute of that, “free,” play. Until very recently so did everyone else.

How did you manage to spend $1000 on outfits but think $50 is too much for extra story, pve maps, raids and specs? (plus all the extra bits)

Ashen.2907:

Ohoni.6057:

I don’t think anyone’s suggested removing ascended armor from the game.

I have.

Which was needless and silly – the amount of outrage you’d want to cause shows a lack of sense (just look at those people who got upset about Karma boosters – something genuinely useless – asking it to happen to something that took work, time and improved peoples’ characters is just insane).