Guild Wars 2

Ethics.4519:

Konrad.9587:

Himax.3954:

Complaining about how stupid people don’t deserve or accept your help can only prove how arrogant and unhelpful you are.

Not really. People that desperately need help and advices in most of the cases just ignore any hints given to them. Few days ago I asked some PUG ranger (bearbow, 2000 AP) at least 3-5 times to stop spamming knockback on his longbow, yet he ignored all of my requests and explanations why it’s bad. What we are supposed to do in such cases? How are we supposed to push some common sense into the thickest skulls?

Like it or not, but majority of newbies and bads alike are not willing to learn nor get better at this game.

You were trying to control how he plays. He likes to press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5. Stop being so elitist. You should have been kicked.

Don’t you realise that everyone complaining bout elitists and the fact that they shouldn’t try to control how people gear and how people play are attempting to exert the same control over the ‘elists’ by telling them who they should play with and how they should play with them.

If you want to come into a dungeon and press 1,2,3,4,5 the whole way that is fine and I have nothing against you. I also have no obligation to play in the same dungeon as you.

You telling me that I should keep you in my group and get you through the dungeon is telling me to play a certain way and according to your mantra that is a big ‘no, no’.

So closer to the OP’s original idea..

Dungeon Master Master title.

You progress by running people who have never done the path. Once you have run someone through each path for their first time you have effectively carried through the whole dungeon master title, making you the ‘Dungeon Master, Master.’

I can see it now " LF1M P3 – Must have never done the path’.

And then with in the first 24 hours a thread on the forums..

‘Trolled – Guy who had already done the path joined when he said he hadn’t’.

I’m more curious about those that buy paths. Is it done for the title? Is it done for the tokens?

It would be interesting to see a few people post here who have or would buy a dungeon path to get their point of view on it.

Seems silly to complain about people offering a service you don’t want though. I wash my own car but I don’t think car washes shouldn’t exist.

laharl.8435:

CryxTryx.9208:

laharl.8435:

Don’t join the lfg “experienced” or “speed” runs and think that’s a real speed run. Those are usually utter crap.

I ran Arah p4 and the old TAFU with CryxTryx. He’s a solid player. But you should get a warrior outfitted for speed running. Since most teams run at least 2 warriors, it’ll be easier to get a spot with one. Then after you run with the team for a while you can get your guardian in there. It would also help you to have a thief, ele or mesmer as well.

Thanks Laharl,

I do have a mesmer at 80 with full Beserker. I am working on a theif and would be willing to level a warrior as well. I’ve got some work to do.

The guys I’ve been running with lately are often in need of a mesmer for arah. Our usual mesmer hasn’t been playing lately. I’m doing another p4 run tonight ( taking some tanks so it could be a long one). But if it’s possible, we could run some arah duo. I can show you how to lupi melee, then you can practice solo when you have time. Running solo will also get you better at the trash runs.

I’ll do some research as to how to trait my mesmer for Arah. Don’t go out of your way, but if do have the time feel free to message me any time in game if you want to try this out.

Also, If you ever need me to fill for any runs, help out with any other content, need characters are guildies run through story mode I would happy to help as a form of repayment.

ColinJohanson.2394:

You will absolutely see a way to create a precursor available in the future. As detailed in our plans for the second half of the year here:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/

As mentioned at the end of the blog, as always things are subject to change as test and prepare various systems. Most of the stuff covered in the blog you’ve already seen implemented, or steps towards being implemented, however the precursor building (and corresponding additional legendary items) is the one highest at risk to not make it this year.

It is still something we absolutely plan to do!

Notice he continues to say ‘build’ and never ‘craft’. I don’t believe this to be unintentional.

You may now speculate.

laharl.8435:

Don’t join the lfg “experienced” or “speed” runs and think that’s a real speed run. Those are usually utter crap.

I ran Arah p4 and the old TAFU with CryxTryx. He’s a solid player. But you should get a warrior outfitted for speed running. Since most teams run at least 2 warriors, it’ll be easier to get a spot with one. Then after you run with the team for a while you can get your guardian in there. It would also help you to have a thief, ele or mesmer as well.

Thanks Laharl,

I do have a mesmer at 80 with full Beserker. I am working on a theif and would be willing to level a warrior as well. I’ve got some work to do.

I will be doing my research and watching videos before I attempt the runs. I am also in contact with DnT and LoD. If any of them are willing to teach me and they want to send me a PM or tell in game that would be great, but I don’t expect to take up their time and be taught when they could otherwise be doing guild runs.

If they need to fill a spot and are willing to take me that is another story.

It is kind of a catch 22, which is why I am asking here. I do want to eventually join a guild like DnT or LoD, however I don’t expect to join and be a burden and need to be taught. On the other hand it is hard to learn the right things outside of a guild like that hense this post.

One way or another though, I’ll work at it until I get it.

I don’t mind helping new players most of the time. However I don’t always feel like teaching.

It doesn’t make me selfish to want to join a group of experienced players. It doesn’t make me selfish to want to speed clear a dungeon.

I take real expception to players that call my selfish because I don’t want to teach new players every run I do. It is selfish of you to expect to be taught.

Do you realise that when I do teach new players I am willingly giving up my liesure time, the time I am taking to play a game for enjoyment to possibly go through hours of frustration taking a new group through Arah?

I do take new players through many dungeon paths, but in no way am I obligated to.

That doesn’t make me elitist and that doesn’t make me selfish.

Hello,

I am looking to learn Arah Speed runs and Fractal Melee runs.

My current fractal level is only level 28 and I will be looking to get that up significantly over the next two weeks.

I am an accomplished player, learn quickly and follow direction well. So if you are already doing these runs and need a spot filled every once and a while, please add me in game, you won’t regret it.

I’m on the NA server Tarnished Coast and I main a Guardian.

Usually by now we know what is coming in the next patch don’t we? I’ve not heard anything. Maybe I just don’t know where to look?

WHAT IS GOING ON?!

Nevermind, I’ve quickly looked up the cost and a legendary still far exceeds the cost of ascended weapons.

It seems the only real difference between the cost of each legendary is the cost of the precursor. all the gifts are still quite expensive to build.

I’ve been trying to figure it out if it is more worth my while to go for ascended items or legendary items based on the cost.

Ascended items are very expensive once you already have your crafting at 500, however there is still some cost to them.

I’ve been thinking about my underwater weapons. They are the cheapest legionaries, yet their ascended cost seems to be on part with the rest.

I might try and put together a Kraitkin, does anyone know the approx cost gold wise to build one?

One of the problem here is that people assume those who are running 80 only groups are eilitist and only ever run 80 only groups.

I run both kinds of groups. When I have more time and I don’t care, I don’t specify a level requirement. I’ll take you right at level 35 because I know that I can carry you through it.

Also if I am running with a few other friends whom I know can carry as well. We’ll have no problem getting you through.

If I am trying to get the dungeon done in 15 minutes before the daily hits, I may choose to run an 80 only group. If I post for that and you join anyway – I will boot you.

I have a level 40ish theif right now that also has trouble getting dungeon groups. I know the drill. I have 5500+ achievment points, I have dungeon master, I have the Liadri mini, and I have yellow and green super weapons. I am still the first to get booted if the party wipes. It is what it is.

He is using Jormag’s name as a curse. He is not invoking his name actually asking for Jormag’s help.

I thought the drop rate on these would be a little bit more frequent. Are there a certain level of mob I should be hunting for these drops?

mosspit.8936:

CryxTryx.9208:

When you stack every member is hit by every melee attack, as well as her cone attack. The benefit is that every member is also hit with every boon and is rezzed easily. But like someone mentioned above, stacking doesn’t work well with lower level characters because they just can’t sustain the damage.

Dodge into the wall when SQ does her melee attack. Prepare cond removal to cure immobilize from her cone attack.

I know how to do the fight, my point is stacking has its place. The spider queen stacked is fine, but some parties go overboard on the stacking and end up making it more difficult for themselves.

I’m fine with the stacking if used properly. The thing a lot of people don’t realize about stacking is that it can potentially cause the party to take more damage.

Spider Queen fight can be tough if you run in there when all the adds are still there. When people used to do the Queen with out stacking the first attempt was often a wipe because of the adds.

Second attempt with just the queen because the adds don’t respawn is just an easy, ‘stay out of the red circles’ fight.

When you stack every member is hit by every melee attack, as well as her cone attack. The benefit is that every member is also hit with every boon and is rezzed easily. But like someone mentioned above, stacking doesn’t work well with lower level characters because they just can’t sustain the damage.

Same goes for the last boss in Path 3. People found that stack spot because when AC was first revamped, Grast sucked and didn’t put up his bubble in time, so it was like a 50% chance the part would wipe everytime the rock fall roar was cast.

That boss is a melee only, knock back boss, when you stack for him, your party takes a lot of damage, and not all parties can sustain that easily.

Grast works fine now and fighting the boss legit is very very easily. I would argue that it is easier then the stack now. But people are afraid.

Just yesterday I was in a group and I asked the group to fight the boss normally because we had a couple lower level toons in there. They refused saying that stacking was easier. When we wiped the first time I asked them again and they agreed.

No one even came close to dying, it was a very easy fight.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

*almost worth a precursor

Yeah that’s right,

I do like the title thought. It actually appeals to me more if it is going to be that rare. Hard to say if I’d invest towards that or a precursor at this point.

I prefer this model much much more then the expansion model.

To me it is like getting paid. I would rather get paid every 2 weeks, then every 6+ months.

Wow, that is quite an expensive title then. Almost worth a Legendary…

champ.7021:

The best title in this game: emperor
if only i had 700g lying around…

I’ve looked at that achievement quickly. It doesn’t specify Teir 3 does it? Wouldn’t require that much gold if you just user lower tier pieces to advance the acheivement.

I believe each path gives you 60 tokens total the first time you do the dungeon each day. The dungeons reset on the same daily timer that your daily acheivment resets on.

Doing more then one run of the same dungeon patch during the same daily period will result in diminished returns.

**Edited to reflect proper information as given below to prevent misinformation.

Oh I see now. Thank you I didn’t understand at first. Our party thought we could just kite the ooze, and only kill up the spills if they were in the way. Obviously you see our problem.

No I am talking about the green debuff over your character that does damage over time. It does a lot of damages and it what is leading to wipes.

what causes this and how can I avoid it?

I was wondering how people gear out as they level.

I am level 46 and I would like to start being able to do dungeons as I level up.

What kind of gear should I be looking for to make myself viable in dungeons at this level?

Lol, na. I don’t mind the thread derailed. It deserved to.

I just watched the Guardian one and I noticed in phase 3 Lupi never does the bubble attack that requires stability to escape.

Why is that? What triggers Lupi to want to do this attack?

I think my original post was a little misunderstood here and I am to blame for that.

The intention of this thread was to vent a little frustration and as well to gain some insight from some of the experienced dungeon runners that frequent these forums. I knew by complaining I’d get some of that but in retrospective I should have kept my post much more constructive.

In no way was I asking for a nerf, and I don’t think there should be a nerf. I am all for hard content, in fact we need more of it. Hell, put Liadri in there for all I care.

What I do stand by though is that the work/reward scale of arah p4 is surely off and when we got to simin and my group and I just couldn’t pull it off I was a little ticked off.

It is my goal to eventually be as skilled as Dub or Orbal, in fact I may look for a guild that focuses on dungeons. I know there are a few popular speed guilds out there, but I don’t have a Lupi solo or 48+ Fractal level yet so for now I’m stuck pugging it.

Just doing Tribulation Zone two again and I think the glitched way point is fixed. I died twice there and spawned on top of the keys instead of in the spikes.

Thank you.

I also did get the cloud wp further on to see if they had been fixed as well, but did not end up dying again so I can not confirm.

Either way, thank you very much.

I’m NA

15 chars

Well if any of the above posters who are confident with the encounter have a spare spot in a group for p4 anytime and would be willing to include me, please send me a tell in game.

I am not a terrible player, I was able to complete Liadri, I feel like I am actually carrying most of my dungeon runs, but once we got her to 50% she stayed there.

I’ll keep working on it.

I’m a little overwhelmed by the back piece options. I just got enough relics for the fractal capacitor.

Is it worth it to upgrade it all the way? That is a hell of a lot of ectos.

Wow that simin fight was pretty impressive. I don’t know what went wrong really, we went at it for over an hour and couldn’t get her down past 50%.

He got the sparks down pat, the petrification was giving us a little bit more trouble then it should have, looks like you should be clearing it before it even stops you.

Wat.. why.

I need this path and TA spider boss path to complete my dungeon master achievement.

The effort that both of these paths currently take is disproportionate to the whole achievement tab.

I am not one to complain about difficulty, but ..well there is a first for everything I guess.

Thanks for the tips, orbiting does sounds easier then a straight burst down trying to keep reflects up. I guess you could even combine strategies and start with burst down and as soon as your reflects are down move to orbit.

Certainly does need a lot of coordination.

I’ll work on it.

Going for my dungeon master title right now and everyone I ask is telling me the path is nigh impossible.

I’m wondering if I should be waiting until this patch to attempt it or if it is working as intended and I need to form a group that is willing to make the attempt.

She is powered by tears.

Seems a little silly if they leave this one around, after getting rid of it on all other gear. Is it here to stay?

Loot the chest first?

I’m doing W2 Tribulation for the first time since the nerf hot fix, I tried to wait it out hoping there would be a hot fix.

I’m rather surprised to see the auto death spawn, and the mixed up check points still an issue.

There was a hot fix to implement nerfs to difficulty but not fix for obviously glaring oversights?

I’ve been the resident SAB fanboy around here and even I find this very annoying.

lol yeah at least it doesn’t reset your way point.

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Hello, quick question. When you gather the 3 Tribulation coins and combine them with a Moto design in the Mystic Forge, does that give you a skin? Or does that give you the ability to turn an existing Super Weapon a different color?

Nilkemia.8507:

You don’t like the content, yet instead of playing the content still available to you, you demand that the content you don’t like be changed so that you do like it.

I don’t recall ever asking for Tribulation Mode to be easier, since I don’t even play it.

You’re not actually reading my posts. I don’t just play Tribulation mode. I play Normal mode as well.

All of SAB is intended to be challenging as from the beginning.

Not to mention as we already have seen changes to Normal also effect Tribulation.

I’m not sure if you realize that you are simply coming at this from the opposite perspective and perspective and opinion is all it is. Yet because it is your opinion you are precieving it as fact.

All of your points can be countered with the opposite opinion. Here, I’ll respond to your post below.

ThiBash.5634:

A few things and then I’m done with you guys and your elitist attitude: You call me elitist, yet you are offended by being called a whiner. There are just opposite ends of the spectrum. I am not elitist and I don’t think you are a whiner.

-People that enjoy Tribulation Mode cannot percieve how those that dislike it percieve the game. I don’t blame you for it, but forcing your opinion on me by calling me a whiner isn’t going to make me change mine.
People that do not enjoy Tribulation Mode connot percieve how those that disklike it precieve the game. I don’t blame you for it, but forcing your opinion on me me by calling me an elitist isn’t goign to make me change mine. ~ See what happend there?
-Don’t like it don’t play it works for forums as well: don’t like it, don’t read it.
If I stop reading your posts will you agree to stop playing SAB?
-Seperate modes are made specifically because you cannot cater to every player. You obviously completed Tribulation Mode with ease. That means the other modes are easy for you. That doesn’t mean it’s easy per definition, nor that it’s flawless.
I did not complete Tribulation mode with ease. It was very difficult, It took me hours, and many deaths, with out an infinite continue coin. Normal mode World 2 is still a challenge for me. The difference is, I enjoy that challenge and I don’t want it to change.
-Tribulation Mode was compared to games where the number of lives are irrelevant. Not only is that not true for the Tribulation Mode, there’s also a $7 fee for those that want to play it the way it’s intended. The number of lives is always relevent. The penalty for loosing lives is always time. Even in a console platforming game, when you run out of lives the game is over and you start over. I did not use the ICC to complete Tribulation mode.
-It is NOT unreasonable to have something called ‘normal mode’ to be suitable (and fun, don’t forget fun!) to the majority of players. Call it advanced mode instead if that’s a problem. Your friends may like it. Most of mine have a ‘never again’ attitude. The rest hasn’t tried it yet.Normal in this case, is challenging for you and Normal for me, it is subjective. Name it what you want it changes nothing. Super Adventure box was designed to be challenging as a whole.
-If you design something for a subgroup of players (small or large), it’s unrealistic to demand the remainder to remain quiet.

I’m not asking one to be quiet here. Voicing your opinion in a constructive way can be helpful to future development.

We also don’t mean to come of rude with the ’don’t like it don’t play it’ attitude but here is the thing. So far, all of the Guild Wars 2 has been desinged casual. ‘Everyone is a winner’ everyone can complete everything. There is nothing wrong with that, but a portion of the player base has asked for more challenging content and this is what we recieved in response.

You don’t like the content, yet instead of playing the content still available to you, you demand that the content you don’t like be changed so that you do like it.

What we are saying is to let the content created for niche groups be. It doesn’t happen often and it is a small percentage of the content released.

There has been content, events and activities that were not my cup on tea. I didn’t come here asking for them to better suit my play style. I continued to play the content I enjoyed because I reconize the fact that just because I don’t enjoy something others might.

If only it worked that way. How ever the people who like easy content feel they are entitled to complete all content. They don’t want to hear content isn’t made for them. That is ‘elitist’.

I’d like to see some more difficult content in the game, but I’d have to say, “no.” If you take a quick peek at the Super Adventure Box sub-forum right now you’ll see why. Before you go in there though role up your pant legs so they don’t get tear stained.

The Devs seem to weigh heavily on forum opinion. Even though Josh he has been around long enough to know that a general opinion of the game should not be derrived from the forum, in the same thread he as much as says the a single thread confirm for him that the content was too difficult.

The average gamer today plays video games with the same attitude they would watch a movie. Passively. It is limited control over a playable movie more or less for them. They want entertainment, but entertainment for them should not include any sort of frustration or negative feeling.

The ‘Everyone is a winner.’ view and those who think otherwise are elistest has crept into the video game genre as it went mainstream.

It is not secret that some people are better playing and winning at games then others. There are also those who like challenge and those who don’t. One of the great things about an MMO is that they can have such a large variety of content that they can cater to both kinds of players.

For some reason however it is frowned upon to ask for content that others may not be able to complete, and heaven forbid you ask for rewards for completing said content that others may not be able to obtain.

I want content that has a chance to beat me. I’d like to be able to lose for once. Going into a dungeon I’d like to be unsure as to my success or fail. Too many people are to afraid to lose these days.

“Everyone’s a winner, everybody gets a prize!”

So no. Difficult gaming content is a dying breed. And because it doesn’t please most people that means it isn’t profitable. Which is the other side to the coin.

Oh look.. another one.

Queen’s Jubalie required no jumping.
Gauntlet required no jumping.
Dungeons require no jumping.
Open world events require no jumping.
WvWvW requires no jumping. (aside from the specific jumping puzzle with in.)
90% of Fractals can be completed with out jumping.