Guild Wars 2

For past 4 weeks now i ran fractals every day, every day i got dredge in rotation except for maybe 3-4 runs.

RNG is not RNG eh?
Is there specific reason why i always get dredge lol?

They didn’t test anything… Mai is the proof heh

Krafty.9758:

Cynz.9437:

Not sure if you guys know, but fractal skins can be converted to pvp skins…<_<

K I’ll bite…..

If that’s true then that’s just terrific from Anet lol. So first they screw over the pvp’ers with lack of rewards (yes i know they said it was coming…. but then again they promise a lot of things that take almost a year and they still haven’t implemented), now they let pve’rs have more of an advantage aesthetic wise.

tbh my guess is that it was overlooked, mostlikely is not intended
but since fractal weapons became skins they probably act same as any other skin, hence why i got that option… still was rather surprised

had gift of incinerator and gift of mastery already…. was clearing bags today, threw 4 rare daggers in forge… BAM spark…WHAAAA!!??? spent 1 hour dropping stuff in forge to make gift of fortune T_T

god of RNG was kind to me today

best way for me to make it was: do every day 1 lv 48 fractal + world boss train + ori/ancient node walk + + CoF p1/p2 run + FG/karka farm/wvw zerg busting when had time; the bank got certanly very empty today lol

i saved dagger drops from mobs and threw them in MF when i had enough

kirito.4138:

When you can kill Svanir and Chieftain without dying! =]

i can do it as d/p thief w/o big trouble..perma blind ftw o.o
that is hardly skill though
/chews on troll pie

Amaterasu.6280:

Really? Funny I’ve never seen a single fractal skin in the mists before…

You tried it out personally and it works? Just can’t deposit it into the locker?

i didn’t try to use skin in pvp yet

i got sb one today and tried to use it and it offered me option to convert it to pvp one.. however i used it on pve one… kitten it, should have probably test it out

will do if something drops again

Dolan.3071:

Cynz.9437:

Black Box.9312:

Cynz.9437:

Make guard, always needed…. thieves are needed in only very few situations and are hardly usefull for groups.

You must have never played with a good thief then.

i AM that “good” thief so i know limitations of one

I love how modest people can be.

that is why i used ""… other ppl i ran with said i was good i would assume that is at least half true

Dolan.3071:

I’m sorry, I’m just a really honest person. When someone is bad I simply must let them know.

please tell me which part of this made them assume that i am a bad player:
did fractal lv 37
got dredge
i play thief so did my job
got to rabsovich or w/e his name is
they kitten killing him at car while pulling more and move mobs
i said: move him to the door plz
they: kitten man we know what we are doing
they: you are dumb
they: everyone in our guild was lv 49+, so kitten
they: we know what we are doing, just chill man and kitten

^^rude for no real reason…

the problem is not even that they kick you, they just know you can’t kick them since they have “majority” vote so they are rude to pugs as much as they can
i usually open dungeons myself but it doesn’t stop kitten like that happen

Not sure if you guys know, but fractal skins can be converted to pvp skins…<_<

Lopez.7369:

Cynz.9437:

the bigger issue is…you can’t even dodge them well… since in 90% of the time they hit you anyway, even if you are in dodge animation

You’re probably trying to dodge the wave you can’t jump or dodge.

talking about fire fields from flying boss

glaphen.5230:

Cynz.9437:

Taku.6352:

Blind on torch #4 or warhorn #4. Every other profession has access to blind except rangers. (And no, jellyfish RNG smokefield does not count.)

not everyone has a pet that doesn’t scale with stats and hits like a truck

If pets did scale with power everyone would cry when the power ranger insta bursts people with Rapid Fire and a Jaguar.

more like you can build bunker and your pet still hits like you are built zerker

Oblivion.8307:

sd thieves kitten all over shatter mesmers

they will be horse kitten after dec 10th

Oblivion.8307:

liadri was hard

liadri was buggy as hell

i got shortbow but that’s it
drop chance for weapons so bad after reset

the bigger issue is…you can’t even dodge them well… since in 90% of the time they hit you anyway, even if you are in dodge animation

guanlongwucaii.3162:

same thing with guard, unless you want ez fractals

2 guards on fire shaman are more usefull than 2 thieves on fire shaman

Black Box.9312:

Cynz.9437:

Black Box.9312:

Cynz.9437:

Make guard, always needed…. thieves are needed in only very few situations and are hardly usefull for groups.

You must have never played with a good thief then.

i AM that good thief so i know limitations of one

Huh, that’s strange, because I play both guard and thief and know that they’re both very useful classes when played well.

i didn’t say thief is not usefull but their team utility is limited compared to guard
besides in many cases you want only 1 thief on a group

Black Box.9312:

Cynz.9437:

Make guard, always needed…. thieves are needed in only very few situations and are hardly usefull for groups.

You must have never played with a good thief then.

i AM that “good” thief so i know limitations of one

i done every dungeon and fractals lv48 etc, but i am new to arah teach me!

jk perma rep

Jon.1376:

Wethospu.6437:

If you didn’t beat the boss you don’t deserve the end rewards. You played for fun and got lots of rewards during the run. Be happy.

Sometimes your progress just gets reset.

Are you serious? Most people to runs for tokens. No completion, no tokens(basically)

@OP just host it man and dare them to kick you lol

dumb ppl still do it lol

Jeremlloyd.6837:

Sadly you can’t do anything about that and ANET doesn’t read the dungeon forum (or maybe once in a while). The best you can do is form your own group and start the instance, or join a guild and play with them.

problem is, even if you make group it doesn’t stop ppl from kicking you

i did cof p2 once, for w/e reason the group decided to accuse me in constant dying to mobs ( i died one time in entire run) and kicked me on last boss, despite me opening the dungeon heh

Make guard, always needed…. thieves are needed in only very few situations and are hardly usefull for groups.

Never join guild groups. You will be offended in every possible way, they will talk crap to you, accuse you in doing things you haven’t done and you might end up being kicked to make room for another guildmate.

I don’t understand why, but for some reason running with pugs was more enjoyable experience than with any guild group for the past few months.

uh..i play..older meta i guess
d/p thief here

mostlikely because of infusions and lack of karka farming outside of few servers

i sold few hundrets the other day within hour or so, so demand is still there

Well, since we can get crystals from fractals now, can we also get a recipe that allows to make azurite orbs by using crystals? Please?

haviz.1340:

Kojiden.8405:

Yes, I do want to negate the point of repeatedly throwing yourself into infinitely spawning dredge.

It’s a defense event, not kamikaze bombing. Besides, you could do it at scale 80 solo without dying.

Cynz.9437:

but ya i would never run that map w/o thief

Is it too hard? What would you do if instability that forbids you from stealth existed? Actually, that one was datamined.

i wouldn’t say it is hard just stupid, annoying and time consumming… if instability didn’t allow stealth i simply either wouldn’t run that level or do the naked runs…

i agree

hella annoying, can’t see crap on screen, especially red dot from jade maw

i don’t envy charr and norn players

same issue on fire shaman, that oversized bat is flying in the air somewhere above your screen, yet you still have to watch him not to get hit by arrow and watch the ground for lava pools/worms at the same time..

haviz.1340:

Cynz.9437:

nobody forces you to play high lv fractals, rewards are almost same outside of higher chance for wep skin

Nobody forces you to do anything. Doesn’t mean gear checks are okay in the game that claims skill should triumph gear.

Before this wonderful update you could complete high level fractals without necessary AR by being skillful. Thanks to the new awesome instabilities it’s now impossible when you are being struck by agony every 10s while in combat.

Fractals became even worse than I’d expected. From skillful challenging content they were remade into faceroll gear check content.

don’t me wrong, i don’t like new fractals but what you said is a lie

realistically you couldn’t complete high lv fractals w/o having AR in some fights, especially jade maw

Taku.6352:

Blind on torch #4 or warhorn #4. Every other profession has access to blind except rangers. (And no, jellyfish RNG smokefield does not count.)

not everyone has a pet that doesn’t scale with stats and hits like a truck

Tongku.5326:

I have a very simple rule when I run fractals regarding to AR.

Basically I start the groups so I am the “owner” of the fractal, in the description I put “please have appropriate AR”. I dont really care what number people say they have , it is irrelevant to me. My rule applies and goes as follows:

If 1-2 people down to agony their 1st time from full health, I give them a 2nd chance. If they down a 2nd time, I automatically boot them. No “ifs” “ands” or “buts”. That simple, you down the 2nd time while at or close to full health, you get the boot.

If 3-4 people down due to not having enough AR and I am the only person left standing, I say “sorry guys, but I’m looking for a more experienced party and I did ask for appropriate AR in the LFG description, good luck to you all”, and I leave. Again, that simple.

I just don’t feel like carrying anyone undeserving or wasting my precious gaming time on them at all. Period. Have appropriate AR or get the boot. The end.

but but but it still bugs out sometimes >_<

i have 55 AR, did lv 40 yesterday, on first map i ran 35 AR for some reason, was getting desroyed by instability…. had to requip my gear to get 55 AR back

when i did that fight, my group would dps melee guy and i sat on the other side dpsing fire boss to drop stacks… so i basically never got in range of shockwave and got archive

my best suggestion, try to play range character

Kojiden.8405:

haviz.1340:

You might need a thief if you want to negate whole point of that part.

Yes, I do want to negate the point of repeatedly throwing yourself into infinitely spawning dredge.

as thief i find it exciting xD

but ya i would never run that map w/o thief

uh… before patch ppl had to gring levels and gear too and it took hella long as well… in fact ascended weps are relative new too….

nobody forces you to play high lv fractals, rewards are almost same outside of higher chance for wep skin

i wonder if patching fractals will actually bring dev’s attention to this fractal… while not being too hard to do (compared to some other) it is extremely long and boring… and i actually play thief so it allows my group to do it with least possible struggle

Max Gladius.6930:

3 TIMES TODAY…. Casual Players leading a team… “oh, its been an hr and half, I gotta go to bed” LEAVE PARTY…… this is what it is becoming!!!!!!

make your own

oooo it means i can update my collection of torches with another one hahahahaa
(mains thief)

gesho.9468:

im not gaming pro, but which other pvp would you point superior to gw2?

LoL is esport

Ashanor.5319:

System is way better than it was. It could still use some improvement, like a larger pvp population and permanent but slower decay, but it is much better now than before.

if pvp was rewarding like wvw or pve, there would be more ppl doing pvp

Juba.8406:

i got my Ascended gear all of them with WvW infusions slotted in, so now i want to infuse my Rings and Back item so i can put some AR to them, do i keep the already applied infusions ?

no

people just want things here and now… they don’t realize how much we had to grind before patch…

eekzie.5640:

Actually making me think about this stuff.

Lets say getting 55 AR previously would cost you just the 250 ectos for the back piece.

Now you can get a +7 and +8 infusion.

Reagent cost would be about 3 gold.
You would need 192 x +1 Agony Resistance.

They are currently at about 25 silver each, which will cost you 48 gold.

So now it will cost you about 51 gold to reach 55 AR.
Previously it would cost you well over 75 gold to reach 55 AR.

Costs have gone down. Not up.

actually it is 84g for 250 globs but ya… spent 500 ectos here hehe

Protoavis.9107:

I did the fractal for achievement but now when it comes up I just leave party and go again, chances are doing a whole fractal run again will be quicker than pugging through the dredge.

Now if everyone started doing that and no one is running it anymore, they might actually change it

oh i run dredge ( i been getting that map pretty much every day past 3 weeks, still better than kitten fire shaman) but i am a thief and can solo door; still so kitten booooring and time consumming

Max Gladius.6930:

Cynz.9437:

Max Gladius.6930:

I haven’t “rolled for swamp” in ages, ppl would leave my party, but me and a guildy felt, if they weren’t good enough to “play it live” then we didn’t want them anyway…

some ppl just want to be done with it considering that chances of getting maps like cliffside or dredge are pretty high

try to run high lv fractals, i had runs in the past where we got every possible crappy map and runs were unnecessary long

and should i remind you, rewards were pretty bad.. and still are to certain extend

if you gonna penalize ppl for rolling swamp might as well make path choice random in every dungeon out there and every p1 should have extra 100+ scaled up mobs just to be “fair”

If you have a good team (prior to this horrendously buggy update) you could do any of the fractals in any order….

and? what is your point? most groups running 48 were pretty good actually, they still would rather roll swamp knowing that 2nd and 3rd map might end up really long thanks to scaling

as said before, if players try to get swamp by all means so badly…maybe issue is not players but the fact that maps are bad designed

why the hell would you, as dev, punish players for bad designs YOU made?

just an example: 99.99% of the thieves won’t use traps simple because traps are really bad designed and are outshined by other utilies… should devs now punish thief players for not using traps? get real

i think the maps from same tier just need slight redesign so they are on paar with swamp in difficulty, time and reward level

take water as an example: most ppl don’t actually like underwater combat (some classes are also incredibly weak underwater); most ppl don’t have underwater weapons with AR making jelly fight quite pita; most ppl hate the dolphin phase with passion since at high level the place is swarmed with kraits so the only way you can pass by is to sacrifice 4 ppl that keep rezzing you so you can make it through

and water is actually ok, many groups i ran with didn’t care if it was swamp or water

Stooperdale.3560:

The mining nodes in the new fractal are really a bad thing since you want all your group together and not messing about mining while people go down the tunnel.

why would someone do it
go to room 1 → clear mobs → mine → go to room 2 → clear mob → mine… etc.

who in their right mind would walk down the tunnel full with mobs one shotting anyone on sight?

Max Gladius.6930:

Did you see the Developer team video of them running the 40+ bomb side with no thief?

No one has, reason:
HAHAHA Really, if it works at lvl 1 it will work at 50
There are only 2 developers working this
It would not be nearly as impossible because they would realize what exactly they have created….

i actually found the stream before the patch pretty funny
dev1: we added new fun mechancs
dev2: (dies) i don’t even know what hit me (spent entire stream as dead thief)

el oh el

Max Gladius.6930:

I haven’t “rolled for swamp” in ages, ppl would leave my party, but me and a guildy felt, if they weren’t good enough to “play it live” then we didn’t want them anyway…

some ppl just want to be done with it considering that chances of getting maps like cliffside or dredge are pretty high

try to run high lv fractals, i had runs in the past where we got every possible crappy map and runs were unnecessary long

and should i remind you, rewards were pretty bad.. and still are to certain extend

if you gonna penalize ppl for rolling swamp might as well make path choice random in every dungeon out there and every p1 should have extra 100+ scaled up mobs just to be “fair”

maybe they will… why would they otherwise add those hehe

Zaxares.5419:

Haven’t seen the Molten fractal yet, but that’s actually great news. Is it only Mithril nodes there? The Azurite Orbs only dropped from the Ori nodes in that map.

there is no ori node, but there is about 5 mithril node on map, 1 in every small room in the tunnel and they have good chance for azurite crystals

btw mining mithril in molten map has high chance for azurite.. got 6 today from 1 run o.o