Guild Wars 2

rfdarko.4639:

It doesn’t really bother me, what irks me is they did nothing about the dredge clown car. That was the one thing people consistently complained about and it’s exactly the same

so true

bags are nice and all but sitting for 10 min spamming 3 buttons killing same kitten mob at lv48 was so booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring

Headless.3718:

Stay at max range from the melee boss and kill him first (2nd phase is soooo much easier). attack the ranged boss when he gets enrage until its gone.

don’t need it even

my group was killing melee boss, while i was attacking ranged one (as p/p thief) to keep stacks down

the only real issue were fire attacks aoe attacks from ranged boss, for some reason they kept hitting you even if you were outside of red circles

lv 33 Outflanked

Scarlett did it.

Fluffball.8307:

This is a tad overdramatic. My glass cannon ranger, not exactly know for being able to tank, can change utilities for 12 seconds of invulnerability. I could even take a pig for 15 seconds. Stealth on a Longbow for 3 seconds, and I haven’t even used a heal yet. Equip a greatsword for an evade every 3 attacks after that. And so on and so forth.

Every class has a way of surviving long enough to stand on the buttons, or if it’s just totally impossible for you, you can distract the enemies attacking your friend on the button.

my class survival is based on… blinds… except dredge are immune to blinds lol

Nick.6972:

Cynz.9437:

Nick.6972:

And by the way, you can still jump into the button room without opening the gates.

shhhh

Did they fix mesmer portal in Harpie/Asura fractal? Just wondering.

yeah a while ago

Healix.5819:

Cynz.9437:

idk what to do with the ones i have already….can’t even sell them and i have full set of ascended weps :x

Wait 2 weeks.

and then what? make armor.. if armor will be made same way as weapons, i won’t be making any then

i play thief, how am i suppose to farm low lv leather lol, there is no skinning prof in this game
no ty

new meme: Scarlett did it.

Nick.6972:

And by the way, you can still jump into the button room without opening the gates.

shhhh

idk what to do with the ones i have already….can’t even sell them and i have full set of ascended weps :x

Nick.6972:

3 Warriors 2 Guardians, we did the “button phase” fairly easily.
Scale 30.

the irony xD

oh man….this blows

Determination Enemies occasionally become invulnerable <<we fixed harpies… jk

As topic says: if you got fractal weapons before patch and try to transmute them it won’t let you…………… wth?

we didn’t do them…<_<
we just got into cannon room, clicked there something, killed ooze, brought 1 rod from ooze to melting room and killed last boss

o.o

Celestina.2894:

Cynz.9437:

light armor is awesome actually
medium and heavy is i really really bad

I feel you missed the point.

no, i understand where ppl are comming from, about gold cost, remake of t3s etc.

i am just saying i actually like the light armor skin the way it is made, but i play thief and i find medium skin hella ugly

light armor is awesome actually
medium and heavy is i really really bad

Just finished molten alliance end bosses. First off: it was only lv 30 but kitten dmg is hella high. I was basically getting 1 shot if i got hit once. I am guessing lv 50 gonna be major pita.

My question is however: one of the bosses kept shooting fire, which was marked with red cirlces on the floor, however if you stand somewhere nearbly or try to walk out of it you still get hit by it. You virtually have to use dodge or port not to get hit, standing outside of it doesn’t help. My guess is that effective area is actually bigger than circles.

Anyone had similar issue?

P.S. Cliffside still gives almost no loot lol
P.S.S. Story mode was really confusing about what to do + not being able to rez + falling outside of textures etc.
P.S.S.S. On bright side, will never have to do harpies again.. LOL

yeah.. can’t rez… also there are holes in the floor in the mid, you fall through texture and die… can’t rez

who tested this?

Well, seems posters here think CnD is fine, but apprently 3 and 4 and are supposely reason why we don’t see d/d in tpvp.

How would you guys change 3 and 4 then?

Burnfall.9573:

SoLeciTO.3490:

Burnfall stop with the trolling and making non constructive threads just because you have not learn how to kill a thief with your Ranger.

You could better ask in this forums the mechanics of the class to help you with your gameplay . . .

Please man just stop . . .

How am i trolling,when i’m giving thief class assurance that they are in good hand?

I belong to a thief guild, 80%-90% of wvw commanders play thief class, i always embrace having a thief at my side, and in my party, and they all welcome me with open arms.

… yet still i’m a troll?

I wish we rangers had someone, somebody, or a team at Arena.net, to give us assurance, hope, for our future

When does giving assurance consider trolling to begin with?

Is it wrong to give good compliments?

too obvious

Qaelyn.7612:

Oh I see the argument, but it seems to me that it applies to a lot of things. I mean, you can also blow a long-cooldown elite on a block or CC effect.

If you watch Yishis’s narrated videos, he watches for and compensates for these things to ensure his CnD is used to good effect. It’s an inherent part of the player skill involved in this type of build. I wish I could do it myself, but I can’t, and I see it as something to work towards.

Yishi is a good player but in most of his videos his opponents.. are wvw noobs. It wouldn’t work so well in tpvp.

I agree that class shouldn’t get dumbed down more, i like the challenge thieves bring however it would be nice to see d/d in pvp however the way CnD is atm it won’t happen for the reasons i stated before.

Qaelyn.7612:

Even though I think thieves are in general underpowered given the difficulty involved in playing them, and I’m not very good at them myself, it seems to me that CnD is sufficiently powerful in the right hands that buffing it would be unwarranted.

Well the problem with CnD, while it does do some dmg and provides stealth it is highly unreliable. If you miss it, you end up with 6 ini less, which is a lot actually. CnD also doesn’t garantee backstab (which is main dmg, if you actually run that build). Why CnD unreliable? Blinds, fears, stuns, immobs, chills, blocks, dodges, pet body blocking, very predictable etc.

I didn’t see a single d/d thief since i started to play this game.

Edit: how would you change CnD more reliable or d/d build rather more viable in tpvp?

CnD is pretty unreliable and pretty costy hence why d/d is barely ever used in pvp.

Suggestion: if CnD fails,
- return half of the costs
or
- return all costs but put CnD on short CD

basically kind of like warrior spells work.

Maybe also reduce CnD dmg but if the attack hits it provides a buff (for example aegis or stability or small heal or 1 condi removed etc.) for 1 sec.

Thoughts?

i liked at the end
dev1: (died) i don’t even know what hit me
dev2: so as you can see we added some cool mechanics…

jonwar.4186:

so i ask all thieves in sheer honesty, what are you plans? try to find some adaptation? make another class? quit the game entirely?

I also play an elementalist, just recently got her to 80 only to find out they were planning on nerfing that class too but according to the elementalist forums those nerfs are now no longer happening yet every nerf to the thief has gone through as planned, every time. As you can see from my signature, i play pistol dagger but i take this as an attack on my class. Im sure thief condition builds will be taken into account and declared too strong at some point, thus they will also be nerfed.

i will keep playing mine, as d/p

dec 10th changes are so wrong in so many ways though lol

BobbyT.7192:

he’s no lady,….but come on look at that beard

never saw male norn thief in TA armor lol

probably immob + daze combo like every mesmer out there uses it

if i don’t shadowstep that i die instantly lol

but yes you can break it

fix inc
also dev posting memes lol

happens all the time with binding root

use spells like death bloossom for example or just any spell that lifts you up for a sec and get immobed by binding root = can’t use any spells untill you die and rez

posted many times on bug forums etc. 0 cats given by anet

Had fun run today, no idea how it even makes any sense:
->opened CoF p2
->soloed lava part (since i am a thief)
->at the door where you need to kill assassins, my entire team kept dying except for me
->got agro from boss on last fight, warrior said he wants agro so i went invis to drop it
->they called me stupid, kittened and what not and that i die all the time (what? i died only 1 time in entire dungeon)
-> they kicked me from dungeon on last boss, but since i opened it they all got kicked too…

being accused of something i haven’t done, being called names and kicked, i love pugs

Big Tower.5423:

Travlane.5948:

Big Tower.5423:

Jumper.9482:

fodem.2713:

Auto attack only

Heavy armor > medium > light

Warrior is heavy, so it’s perfectly normal…

Now…. About skills…. No skill in the game could have more dmg than a backstab….

Thief is actually on the lower-end of the burst spectrum.

Well Jumper… Yes thats an fact for SPVP But soon as you think WvWvW It becomes competly diffrent a 0 30 30 10 0 spec can do Cloak->backstab->HS burst if he got bloodlust and guardkiller. and his foe is downed :P so they actually got very high burst for wvwvw together with quite good survablity. But yes for spvp they are very low on almost everything. XD

You probably think CND BS HS is really high dps right? its actually really low. what it IS though…..is high Dmg per hit but NOT high DPS.

Ok so lets look at why ok?

CnD- roughly 50% success rate
BS – Roughly 50% success rate
HS- roughly 60% success rate

between blinds – blocks – aegis – invuln – NPC mobs – dodges – etc etc these skills miss as much as they hit, even for experienced players i wouldnt give them much more that +10% average (yes there are some fights that are higher but OVERALL its bout here)

Now lets look at other factors that mitigate our DPS. or burst is ALL withing 130 range which means we need to be kitten ed close to lay it out. Not only that its all .5 second or more activation times plus another .5 to recast so about 1 second MINIMUM between hits at best scenario….. very much unlike whirl attack or 100 blades etc.

What else to mention….oh yeah the obvious…. STEALTH! all that time in stealth wandering around for positioning and setting up for that all too famous backstab. then theres the times we enter stealth and dont get the right positioning and have to reenter stealth to try again.

See….thething is…for thief to get good DPS or even good survivability….it has to be connected to “circumstantial” requisites and factors. Yes other classes have some too but none as specific as ours and also as double edged (taking damage in stealth but dealing 0 back). our overall DPS is very low compared to most classes. and our burst is too….too much prereq for it to be solid burst.

These precents are competly wrong and out of the blue you wont see it comin before you’re dead ever heard of precast + steal? 50 % 40 % 60 &%? id rather say somthing like 95 % by a good player. And when it comes for substained dps AA fills that gap and makes D/D highest single target wep in the game.

btw STEAL, and that our damage is wrong is completly lack of knowledge dude we got HIGEHST single target damage in the game when buffed and we got very quick attacks in our burst so makes for good burst in wvwvw. around 1 second burst

the problem is you assume that that good player is fighting noobs, where good players in fact can completely shut down good thief… so i do think 50% isn’t far off from the truth

also, as for dmg, warriors would like to talk to you
yes their high dmging abilities might be good telegraphed, but if they wasted it they still get to keep resources + CD is very low while for a thief if CnD for example missed, you lost 6 ini…. no gain back, nothing

eles are another example, they can burst someone down way faster than thieves actually

if there would be way to make a chart with correlation of high risk and dmg, thieves would be really low on that chart due to way too high risk for decent dmg

Master of Timespace.2548:

Why don’t you just play some other class then? Thief is a thief and relies on stealth, deal with it or roll a fotm class.

that is just rude and is not helping the discussion
who are you to tell ppl what to do?

yes thief relies heavily on stealth and it is actually a bad thing, if stealth fails it is pretty much GG, where other classes still have multiple choices; if anet keeps nerfing stealth or any survivability thieves have, eventually thieves would have nothing to rely on

not playing p/p atm and won’t be
boring build and tbh not thief-ish imo

but but….what if i am not ready?
i still need to switch signets and talk to my teammates about strategy o.o

ah man i wish i saved screenshot

today i did match with guildies, all of us were around 17-30
enemy team was 57-60 o_o

i am a thief thus i am dishonorable by default
it doesn’t matter how i fight, what i use etc. lol

for incinerator you need cooking…sup

vincecontix.1264:

Honestly op pet blocking is one of good counters when vsing high burst thiefs.

because classes don’t have enough counters for thieves already?

Azunai.5974:

Ugh. So many people running with tier 3 cultural armor. Oh well, their gold to throw away.

because majority of medium is…lol pirate or lv1 look alike heh

dead asura… is good asura

same… i would like to try out Arah, i never done it

playing thief

if anyone could do runs with me and teach fights, it would be appreciated

they are buffing passive ini regen and nerf active ini gain on thieves…. also moving to passive gameplay it seems zzz

^^this

or reduce ini costs
or even return ini used for headshot if it actually interrupted a skill

I know there are some locations on maps where you can use port, shadow step, inf arrow etc, to port up on edge and on some not.

Anyone have a list or image of such spots?

Since head shot nerf i think the costs (4 ini) are too high for 1/4 sec daze.

Thoughts?

oh btw they are buffing PU mesmers…. el oh el

Bhawb.7408:

You can’t land your skills, therefore I have no skill and should be nerfed. Sounds legit.

You’re in stealth, this means that the minions have de-aggro’d from you, and are returning to me. Even if you’re using your immense skill as a thief to come in from stealth when I can’t see you at all and backstab, minions don’t stand on top of me.

Or, all you need to do is attack me once, to aggro them, as they run away from me towards you, you stealth to me, and boom all of my minions are still 900 units away, and you don’t have to worry about landing such a difficult skill shot.

if it was really that easy
you assume that thief can instantly teleport to target back at any given time
in reality thief is mostlikely chilled, snared, poisoned etc. by mark spam and any half decent necro either stands or runs around own pet so pet soaks all dmg

it was absurd to the point where even though i had necro targeted my character turned to the side and hit pet instead

ronpierce.2760:

Bhawb.7408:

You can’t land your skills, therefore I have no skill and should be nerfed. Sounds legit.

You’re in stealth, this means that the minions have de-aggro’d from you, and are returning to me. Even if you’re using your immense skill as a thief to come in from stealth when I can’t see you at all and backstab, minions don’t stand on top of me.

Or, all you need to do is attack me once, to aggro them, as they run away from me towards you, you stealth to me, and boom all of my minions are still 900 units away, and you don’t have to worry about landing such a difficult skill shot.

Don’t speak to others about skill! Apparently they don’t understand it if they assume anything that beats them takes no skill to play. They haven’t had time to practice and become good with all the QQing effort they’ve put forth. :P

please point out where i said in this thread that pet classes take no skill to play

reroll warrior
???
profit

well you asked me if i was seriour when i said that thief moblity is not that bad compared to other games

if anything war moblity could use slight nerf, but really their moblity isn’t major issue

i do wish however that signet of shadows active was bit more usefull

so why am i playig thief again?