Guild Wars 2

displayname.8315:

Map just needs some work. But they don’t have the resources for WvW. It’s not some ego or never look back, they simply have abandoned WvW design for the time being.

You say that like it’s only natural that they have neglected WvW since the beginning. It should be the game’s major selling point and major end-game content. A-Net doesn’t understand its own market.

Simply change it so that the banners work just as they do now… but only work when the owning side has the ‘outmanned buff’. Problem solved.

Hahahaha YES! Here’s a fix for the population issues. The upper 3 tiers get Desert BL maps (you know, because they require real skill and all that). The tiers from 4 down get Alpine BL maps. THAT is how they can get people to transfer down.

REFRACKINGDICULOUS.

Put the PvE paintgun down, A-Net, and back away from WvW.

JUST. STOP. IT.

A-net keeps shooting themselves in the foot, but they survive… so they have to shoot themselves again.

It’s simple: get the PvE contamination and the worst of the bugs out, fix the rewards and let players fight each other again. If the game mode were fun again (alpine maps!) more people would play WvW. The more people playing, the more fun it is.

With some simple fixes, the downward spiral could become an upward one. (hahahahah!, who am I kidding?! E-sports uber alles! They actually want us to quit WvW and switch to PvP :/ )

Absolutely agree! Sadly, it’s just one more failure in WvW design.

Wait! Look over there! E-sports! SHINY! (See, all better.)

Learn to dodge, strafe and stun-break. Once you can do those things HoT is easy.

Operant conditioning.: You keep pushing the buttons trying to recapture the high you got when this game was new and fresh and fun. Now it’s just devolved into a pointless grind, but you just have to keep up on those ‘achievements’. This game is basically dead, and we are the zombies mindlessly inhabiting it.

It’s OK, they’ll just add some jumping puzzles and mini-games to WvW! You’ll be having SO MUCH fun with that, you’ll forget about all these little complaints of yours.

Perhaps some sort of megaserver tournament could be played on the desert BL maps (like EotM), but these maps are not suited to WvW at all. Seriously, give us maps that put opposing players front and center as the content. We don’t need, don’t want, can’t stand all the PvE intrusions. JUST. STOP. IT.

E-sports happen because of a huge following built by players themselves. A game company cannot magically decree an e-sport and have it succeed. If WvW were done RIGHT though, this game might grow again. Not holding my breath.

So Summer/Fall? Which will morph into Early 2017… By then, there will be little point.

I do believe A-Net is trying to frustrate WvW players so much that we all give up and go watch GW2 PvP e-sports.

I think someone fell in love with the movie ‘Castaway’. Will you be naming your harvesting tools and scratching marks on some driftwood to keep track as the days stretch into weeks, months and years?

This is the most amazing idea I’ve ever heard. Amazingly terrible, that is. Wait, I know, let’s do away with in-game currency and make everything in-game a micro-transaction charged straight to your credit card. Want to waypoint? It’s only 10 cents!

The CEO has decreed that GW2 will be an e-sport first and foremost. Never mind that the player base is angry and shrinking, because e-sports are the wave of the future… or at least that’s what he read in some video game manufacturer’s trade journal.

Same. Just bought Fallout 4, and it’s actually fun. No more grinding for stuff I don’t need on content I don’t enjoy! Thanks A-Net, for giving me the motivation to get off the grinding treadmill that GW2 has become!

msalakka.4653:

Babytater.6803:

Anet is doing some balances mid January if I remember correctly which will help some of the big problems.

March or April.

…of 2017.

ArchonWing.9480:

Just save your gems.

The question is, for what? I’ve spent way more gems than I care to admit, but no amount of gems will fix the mess this game is becoming.

A-net will have the WvW-destroying weapon fully charged in 3 days. Quick, complete the jumping puzzle and the mini-game to save the day!

Will there be jumping puzzles and mini-games?! Oh boy, wouldn’t THAT be awesome!

I just wish we had to do some jumping puzzles, complete several mini-games under a certain time-limit, and complete more map meta-events in order to unlock these upgrades. Because there can never be enough PvE to make WvW fun.

It seems to me like A-Net would really like us all to quit playing the game and start paying to watch PvP as an ‘e-sport’. WvW is not WvW at all at this point, and I have zero expectation that it will be improved.

Make WvW rewards scale with %contribution, as they do on HoT map meta events. Then the players who are ‘just after the loot’ will have to earn it.

I have all 9 professions to elite… I want my WvW fixed, That’s the end-game for me. Farm SW and HoT all you want, but I find it extremely boring.

Yuffi.2430:

A permanent updraft over keeps would keep aerial attackers out (or at least make it very hard to drop in undamaged), or give a 1 second on-landing skill lock penalty. I’d be happy enough with flak turrets instead.

Just make a permanent downdraft in a ring around all structures.

I like repeating the repetively redundant repeating events repetitiously and over and over again. -_-

Killing Treefern was one of the most satisfying moments in the 3 years of this game for me. Besides, if you think his death is tragic, well, tragedy is one of the classic story forms. Long live Iago!

It’s proof that they are adding updrafts, gliding and aerial combat to WvW! …or not.

…So maybe A-Net’s next MMO should be Thomas the Tank Engine Online.

Please make it so that a side with the ‘outmanned buff’ can get 5 rally’s off a kill and rez in combat. Then it will be fine.

I only wish that A-Net took action against all the forms of trolling that go way beyond shouting spoilers in map chat. Seriously, while spoiling the movie is very obnoxious, I see worse behavior pretty often. Yes, I’ve reported things occasionally, and no, A-net has not and will not do anything about most of it.

….and massive lag due to players logging into and playing on servers so far away. The lag would wreck the whole thing.

If the loot drops only through actively attacking and defending, then those players will either contribute or leave. It could be set up like HoT meta event rewards. The chest drops only if you contribute, and the reward scales with the level of contribution. We need better rewards.

WvW is like a bar with no customers. When people walk in and see nothing happening, they leave to find something else to do. Most of my friends have moved down the street to a bar called Fallout 4, and they’re having a blast. Fallout 4 isn’t for me, but neither is this empty GW2 WvW dive.

..stop contemplating leaving the game, start playing WvW again, buy gemstore skins for my alts (yes, developers, I’ll spend real money!).

roxybudgy.8205:

So… it’s just another suggestion for a server merge. No thanks.

Why do people insist on this fantasy where the people on the “lower tier” servers will still want to play WvW when they are lumped in with those from the upper tiers? If they wanted to do that, they would have done so already via transfers.

Not true at all. You’re assuming everyone would pay to transfer up when the game mode is broken and the highest tier servers are full anyway. Please don’t be so arrogant as to speak for us on the lower tiers.

I have generally only been on for dailies , since WvW isn’t WvW anymore at all on my tier.

This would be spectacularly fun,! …which is why we’ll never get it.

I think one major reason why WvW is so empty is that the rewards are weak. Here’s a suggestion to fix it. Make the rewards dependent upon meaningful player participation. Rewards are dispensed every 1/2 hour on a percentage participation basis (similar to map metas in HoT). Rewards range from 0-200%. Here’s an example reward structure:

5% for: building a piece of siege equipment, destroying a piece of siege equipment, using siege to breach a wall, rezzing a player, killing a player (tagging, including w/ siege), killing a guard or mercenary (tagging, including w/ siege), capping a sentry point or temple, spending 15 supply to repair a wall or gate, defending a camp against invaders, escorting a dolyak, capturing an undefended tower.

15% for: Defending a structure under active attack for 2 minutes, killing a dolyak, defending a Dolyak under enemy attack, finishing a downed player, capturing a camp, capturing an undefended keep.

30% for: Capturing a player-defended tower.

60% for: Capturing a player-defended keep.

Whether a structure is ‘player-defended’ is simple: If enemy players are inside the structure at any point during the attack, then it counts. This resets if the attack is stopped for 1 minute or more and then resumed.

This is the basic idea. These values are off the top of my head, and would probably need to be changed. I know it favors offense over defense, but turtling is boring and counterproductive.

People want their bags of loot. I think they should hard nerf rewards in EotM and hard buff them in WvW proper. WvW rewards should come only from participation in player conflict (actively attacking and defending). Rewards could be dispensed as they are in HoT, on the basis of percentage contribution.

I do not remember seeing such a statement from A-net. Please provide a source, and we can abandon this thread if it really was set in stone and clearly communicated.

The debuff would be intended to incentivize players to spread out to multiple maps and stop the ridiculous blobbing and steamrolling that make WvW so boring.

It’s called a karma/bag/loot train. It’s basically just another PvE alternative to Silverwastes, with occasional player combat.

Well, she used to run around with every man in town
She spent all my money, playing her high class game
She put me out, it was a pity how I cried
Tables turn and now her turn to cry
Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now
Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now
Well, I used to wake in the morning, get my breakfast in bed
When I’d gotten worried she’d ease my aching head
But now she’s here and there, with every man in town
Still trying to take me for that same old clown
Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now

You’re absolutely right: they’d need to run 1 megaserver for EU and 1 for NA. Still, the 24 NA servers combined on 1 server and the 27 EU servers combined on the other would fill the maps. There should not be a coverage imbalance because the peaks and lulls should be the same for all 3 factions.

I never said I hated EotM. It’s just that I prefer actual battles to karma train zerging. They should nerf EotM rewards and strongly buff them in WvW. Or, better yet, rotate WvW maps and include EotM in the rotation as a WvW map. EotM would not be needed as a holding pen if overflows were implemented.

It would actually fix two things for sure.

For one, it would mean that there would be 24/7 coverage in all BL’s because Euro server players would be mixed in with NA. No more ‘nightcapping’ woes.

Secondly, this system would fill all BLs. Full BL’s are fun, while the current state is not. When it becomes fun again, the number of players opting to play WvW would increase dramatically.

Of course, it won’t fix the problems with the maps or the WvW rewards, but it would re-establish WvW as a real RvR battleground instead of the deserted borefest we have now. I want my fights back, don’t you?

Dawdler: No, we don’t have 3 factions. We have 24 NA factions and 27 EU factions (called servers) and they are spread way too thin. This is what makes WvW boring, and boredom is what makes players leave WvW.

briggah: At first, maybe. But then, since BL’s will be full again, WvW will be fun again. When it’s fun again, people will come back to WvW, and new players will try it, so the population will grow.

Lord Kuru: My proposal is nothing like EotM. EotM is a karma train where people avoid fights because they are better off doing that, sine there is nothing on the line. If the winners got a huge loot chest at the end of a week, the middle-rank got a small chest and the lowest-scoring side got nothing, the fights would happen.

Remove the PvE elements from WvW and make rewards dropped when opponents are stomped and objectives taken or defended. It could be like the rewards for map event participation in HoT. You only get a reward when you attack the opposing side or actively defend your own.

Suggestion: Scrap servers entirely, and randomly assign all players to one of 3 factions (red, green, blue). Then, give each player one free transfer so that guilds/friends can move to be together. After that, charge a fee (equal to the average transfer fee now) to switch factions, but double the fee if moving to a 5%+ higher population faction, and make the transfer free if moving to the least-populated faction. All new accounts would automatically begin on the lowest-population faction (with 1 free transfer).

Then, WvW can be on a megaserver with overflows (which also contribute to faction points scored). Players can taxi to a BL/overflow (as they do in PvE) to be with their friends/guildmates. Week-long faction tournaments then would become incredibly fun!
Anyone transferring in the middle of a tournament week would be DQ’d from tournament rewards for that week.

Pro: Full BL’s with good fights and finally some fun again!

Con: ‘Server loyalty’, if it ever existed for most players, gets replaced with ‘faction loyalty’ (if it loyalty develops).

Fair enough! I have no intention of hijacking your thread, Diku.