I think ANET should change “Revealed” icon if acquired from traps.
Make it red so we can see if we have a 30 or 3 seconds revealed without going with the mouse over it.
what bothers me is not the zerg fight, when you cast random aoe, nor the 1vX fight in which you can actually see if someone puts the trap and (at least try to) avoid it, but the small skirmish – 3/4 vs 6/7 … anyone can put a trap anywhere and you won’t see it and someone else will trigger it and completely screw you.
as we can see in your video you put there a lot of effort to HS 4 times in one single black powder, just to attack 2 secs later and not kill that engi…
a d/p build has great initiative regen to compensate the cost of the combo, so if you try to conter it with d/p without a specific build, you’ll fail.
basilisk is ok, but it gives you just 1.5s and it’s almost impossible to kill a thief in 1.5s
devourer is just an immobilize and won’t counter the combo… he’ll stealth and (with IV) remove immobilize
pistol off hand could be a good idea… not for the smoke field but for the interrupt. but i think stealth will trigger even if HS is interrupted, because it triggers when you cast it and not when it lands.
maybe scoprion wire + tripwire + basilisk ?
trait: last refuge (cast blinding powder at 25% hp)
heal skill: hide in shadows
ok, now you are in stealth for few seconds (usually 3-4)
if you make an attack that does direct damage (not a field) you will gain an undispellable buff called “revealed” that prevents you to re-enter stealth for 3 seconds.
if you, while stealthed, do nothing and you wait for stealth to wears off, you won’t get “revealed” buff and you can re-enter stealth immediately.
Common way is C&D, wait, C&D, wait , C&D, wait …. if rightly timed you can virtually permastealth but you do few to no damage and any dodge / blind / knockback / knockdown / immobilize can destroy that little trick.
So your group of 5 should bring some utility skill on the field…
This is not normal. I have experienced this too, a group of 5 chasing the thief while he took out a mesmer and my thief while spamming emotes. After checking combat log, we noticed he was also immune to all the aoe by the mesmer.
ahahah 1 vs 5 and he took out 2 of you… nice job.
btw i never noticed combat log to report about immune… maybe that mesmer bursted thin air and the thief was somewhere else spamming emotes…
Flanking Strike skill:
Now evades and delivers one strike instead of delivering two attacks.
Removed boon removal.
Reduced initiative cost from 4 to 3.
Now toggles for 5 seconds to a second skill, Larcenous Strike, if the attack hits an enemy.
Improved reliability of flanking strike.
Larcenous Strike: Deliver a quick strike that steals up to two boons from an enemy. Costs 1 initiative.
English is not my language but I think LS triggers only if FS hits an enemy.
Am I missing something?
Okay, then here’s another idea. For larcenous strike to actually be available to use, the player has to deal damage with the first part of the strike, flanking strike. If it is blocked evaded or missed then larcenous strike will not be available; you will have to use flanking strike again.
TBH that’s the way it should work. According to interview and patch notes.
That skill is bugged now, and obviously abused.
With the introduction of Larcenous Strike a lot of thieves started to run S/D and here we are:
2 seconds of daze every 3 seconds …
So i figure soon there will be a “nerf daze” cryfest.
They said in the interview and it is written in the patch notes.
It should trigger larcenous strike only if you hit your target.
Not it is not working like that.
And it’s a bit OP.
Again, at least you didn’t bring HiS, you’ve graduated first grade.
Why HiS should be bad ?
1. 30s for 5680+925 regen (on my wvw thief) vs. 15s for 4608
2. 3s stealth (that can be produced with other means) vs. 3.4 sec evade and remove immob/chill/cripple
3. 1s cast time vs. instant
now, if you don’t produce stealth with weapon skills, HiS would be useful.
You forgot remove of bleed, burn and poison + 2 extra condition (if traited stealth) and the fact that stealth is initiative free.
btw i found frenk’s video really boring, as i said before. 5 2 2 2 … 5 2 2 2… bah
If you use that weapon set for the combo, removing initiative return on stealth will destroy it too.
5 -2 – turn – 2 – 2 does not require skill … it’s simply stupid, a monkey could do it.
That set offers a lot of good skills and the combo is just a plus.
They could simply change the combo: smoke + leap = smoke armor (apply blind when hit) or something else…
They can’t do kitten about it without destroying the thief class at this point, so nothing will happen.
Pretty much this. The only thing that they could do to “nerf” d/p thieves is to put revelead when popping out of stealth even when you don’t attack. But this would affect more other builds (d/d, s/d) than d/p.
Not true. a d/p thief will not come out of stealth while using his stupid annoying combo.
they could remove the leap finisher of heartseeker and the class will not be destroyed.
GW2 > DAOC by a long shot and I played daoc for like 7 years or something.
something is better, something is worse … GW2 has a great potential but they must introduce a real progression for wvw maybe something that bring unbalance but a purpose is always good to have.
remove AoE cap, give guilds a meaning and put in new, bigger maps.
Before the culling fix we had servers complaining another server was running with 40+ players when they were only 10. With the fix we can now see each server is running with 40+.
So if we know the limit this’ll allow servers to complain about how they were running with x-1 players whilst the enemy had x.
So what is x? We need to know in order to plan how to distribute our players.
You can start to split up your blob… hopefully others will do it too.
Lots of posts about shadow steps not working, But i didn’t see this one yet.
when using the slotted skill shadow step, the shadow return does not return you to the spot you left from but rather the distance traveled after shadow stepping added onto the original point.
so if you use shadow step, run 10 feet north, and shadow return you’ll end up near 10 feet north of your original point.
or so it seems, but it definitely does not take you back to the original point.
I haven’t had this issue with infiltrators strike, but I also haven’t used it much since the last patch.
Works as intended.
Shadowstep = 1200 range
ShadowReturn = 1200 range
If you run 10 feet after shadowstep, shadoreturn will take you to: your position – 1200 range towards starting point.
Infiltrator strike works in the same way, but it has only 600 range (and 1200 return) so it is less noticeable. It means that if you infi.strike + run 600 units and go back you’ll be in the exact starting position, but if you infi.strike + run 800 units and go back you’ll be in starting position + 200units.
sry there arent viable weps besides d/d and sb…and d/d is now crap aswell:D guess we should all go ele guys:D
Then you need to play another class or open your mind. I’ve been playing a S/P thief and beat d/d and d/p thieves all the time in WvW/sPvP. Sorry but there’s more to our class then daggers and stealth.
I’d like to see that.
Pay me for my time and I’ll be happy to make you a video. =)
How much do you want? (consider that you have to pay your opponent to lose…)
sry there arent viable weps besides d/d and sb…and d/d is now crap aswell:D guess we should all go ele guys:D
Then you need to play another class or open your mind. I’ve been playing a S/P thief and beat d/d and d/p thieves all the time in WvW/sPvP. Sorry but there’s more to our class then daggers and stealth.
I’d like to see that.
Pay me for my time and I’ll be happy to make you a video. =)
How much do you want? (consider that you have to pay your opponent to lose…)
sry there arent viable weps besides d/d and sb…and d/d is now crap aswell:D guess we should all go ele guys:D
Then you need to play another class or open your mind. I’ve been playing a S/P thief and beat d/d and d/p thieves all the time in WvW/sPvP. Sorry but there’s more to our class then daggers and stealth.
Mike Ferguson: We don’t have it in for this particular build, but it is definitely on our list of things we want to add to it, it’s just that we encounter some issues getting it into this particular build.
I think ppl have a lot of BoH stocked. Anet put in some new equip so ppl will start to spend badges and in one of the next builds ascended will come.
now everyone can bs and spam hs … if bs misses or is evaded/blocked … ok, let’s try again, with the change only high ini regen can deal great damage (if they can) bs and spam hs… it will change the gameplay a lot (at least for BS thieves)
If the kind of bs’s ppl complain about are missed/evaded/blocked no they can not use again because those insane high dmg backstab rely on specific very offensive builds with little, likely no defense and ini regen, as well as using 2-3 utilities to get those high dmg number so those utilities would have to cd first
With a non GC build you can easily achieve 6 – 7 k bs (on a non bunker)… it’s not the highest dmg ever, but it is quite respectable, I think.
