Guild Wars 2

SlimChance.6593:

However in sPvP it’s the complete opposite. Stability is protected against boon removal and is the lowest priority boon to be removed by deliberate design.

Are you sure about this? I use Arcane Thievery quite a bit in my build and it seems to ALWAYS grab stability. I usually check for it before applying a daze/stun/knock back. If stability is up, Arcane Thievery first to grab it. And then I can proceed with my daze/stun/knock back.

I remember AT being really random with lyssa boons; stealing stuff I don’t really wanna steal.. and not letting me lock down my target..

This may have been ninja changed as all the big changes arena net does like ;
you can now switch classes during tournaments.

Can we get a dev response here? :/

I feel like they added a small netgain to PvPers who can’t get AP normally like PVE players by just playing the game, and now PvE players are coming in here under the guise of “Achievement hunters” and asking for our negligible reward to be taken away from players winning those solo/team ques every day because they can’t be bothered to invest the time;

Well guess what we can’t be bothered to invest the time to get PvE achievements but we’re not complaining.

Rigel.5789:

Darnis.4056:

This is ridiculous; We can’t have Games instead of wins in Pvp, this encourages afkers, which is really the way that Achievement hunters play PVP.

Completionists always work towards achievements. Whenever I do PvP I want to win to progress my win achievement, naturally. You can’t come in here and claim to know how completionists play PvP when you aren’t one. And to have said it, I don’t think changing it to games would fix the core problem. It would still take many hours to do the dailies. 8 tournament matches a day including queue times would still take 2-3 hours, when all completionists have been asking for less timewaste on dailies and more permanent achievement progression instead.

If you’re playing to win then you wouldn’t mind wins on matches. Instead you’re asking to revert to the original system which was heavily exploded by afker pve players or as you call them achievement hunters..

Qaelyn.7612:

Maybe if you’re talking since the launch. I’ve only been doing PvP for a month and this past week has definitely been a move in the WRONG direction.

None of the rest matters when you can’t get a decent match because of people joining queues by accident, leaving in the middle or AFKing because all they care about is completion.

Play team que; Most of those problems go away.. Hotjoin/Soloque is supposed to be casual play..

Noc.2459:

I cant buy anything for the next weeks because I dont have any gold since I only played PvP, I dummy.

Thanks Santa!

Trade glory for wintergifts >>>Add 20- cp onto highest Seller >>>profit.

lollasaurus.1457:

Yea I agree man, playing my easy mode faceroll classes has become even more enjoyable after the patch, but watch out for those ele’s man, i keep seeing all these op ele’s beating up on helpless condi mesmers and warriors :/

I play …
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-NFcg;3Vz0z6JV-71;9;4JJ;0T06-39;517A5wl6;2KJG4KJG45Be

Just so you know..

And yes.. people are beginning to get good at ele but not yet even tapping the skill wall
Imho Ele has one of the highest skill ceilings along with Shatter mes in game, but most people don’t wanna get Good, and claim its unplayable, just like shatter mes has been “unplayable” the past year.

This is ridiculous; We can’t have Games instead of wins in Pvp, this encourages afkers, which is really the way that Achievement hunters play PVP.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-NFcg;3Vz0z6JV-71;9;4JJ;0T06-39;517A5wl6;2KJG4KJG45Be
Mesmer Heal Signet Unselectable.

I’ve had limited success with this build.. Try it out.

Also Devs thanks for the new heal sig.. very balanced.. many plays. don’t nerf plz k thx.

Yea this is going to be controversial either way..

Reward tourny players = Hotjoin heros mad.
Reward tourny players + Hotjoin heros = what’s even the point of that… you could always farm hotjoin for rank points much faster then tournaments..

I’m against rewarding hotjoin heros in any way and would actually prefer no one get rewarded if they decide they can only reward both groups..

Find them skyhammer heros and ban em.. and no you haven’t caught any of em, or punished anyone, I know people who owned servers with the name “Skyhammer rank farm” and no of course I’m not going to report them.

I think right now the meta is finally moving out of the pansy-safety era, it’s been a lot of fun playing, winning, losing I’m actually getting a bit addicted and have to force myself to take breaks.

Many good balance changes allow for more build variety… just need to deal with some of the apex predators left for some roles like thief for Roamer, or guardian for mid bunker.. but carefully if ele gets any more indirect/direct buffs I feel like we’ll move back into DubEle meta.

Gold in pvp was a good move I still feel like we are 3rd class citizens behind pve but maybe this will change in the future? Right now average pve players make gold atleast 500% faster at 5G per hour vs 1.2g(AVG)

Soldier ammy warrior should never have been able to do what it did , it was mega super duper Op, now warrior is just super strong.

I see lots of people running ele successfully in team que…

This ..sounds like the most hilarious bug.. I’ve ever heard of.. almost as hilarious as killing the lord and not having it respawn prematch.

I still don’t understand how finally allowing Pvpers to break 2k achievement points (yes this is the majority of my friends) hurts these achievement hunters who can’t afford to pvp and win matches…

Amir.1570:

The difference between Thief and Mesmer is that when a Mesmer is bursting people down, Mesmers have invulnerability or berserker stance, balanced stance, and endure pain.

DO NOT even get me started on how Mesmer also cleaves and deal AoE damage while they spam invulnerability frames. In reality, the people who are saying Mesmer takes more skill than Thief is just delusional. When a Thief is spamming evades at least he isn’t doing the damage out-put that a mesmer has when the Thief is spamming evades.

Are you trolling?
What are you even talking about ? Mesmers don’t have stances.. what..

We have a 2.5 second EVADE not an invuln, which can be interrupted by shocking aura and fear… Distortion is on a 60cd and 45 with full shatter traits..

Yea actually that’s exactly how thief works, he gets evade frames during his attacks with sword shortbow or Pistol whip ; Just like a ranger who can poison for an hour with an evade. .

tl;dr; Op must be sarcastic because no one could be this kittened.

Rigel.5789:

Just imagine if they took a massive dump on PvP and every PvP player quit except a few, you could still say “But you don’t have to play PvP you know?”. A true PvP player wouldn’t go do PvE if that happened, they would find another PvP game. It’s the same thing.

That last part about PvP sounds Vaguely familiar…………………..

The gold is pure profit after costs incurred though… as they are actually making enough to cover costs for wping

You don’t need to be Super skilled to follow a zerg and jam 1 all day, nor is there much risk associated so no deaths.

Nor do you need some sort of awesome Gear/sigils You are still basically earning something from nothing just as PvP. You also earn gear as you’re running jamming 1 or components towards gear.

Just at a much much much much more efficient level.

Also; This was the original number thrown around in previous live streams (50s) .. so why not guys :/

When I first saw this; I thought; I must draw your epic tale..

but then I realized I couldn’t do it justice, +1’d and bump.

Right now we are receiving 25 silver per win; at an inconcievable 6 wins per hour that’s a maximum of 1.5 gold per hour, for a maximum of 15g for 8 hours played IF you win 100% of all matches. The Average of which looks like 6 hours played with 50% match wins at 4.5g for wins and 90 s for losses, 5.4g

Would it be possible to Increase the gold gain 200% in Team Que for wins only and cap 35~% and still make it vastly inferior to pve?
50 silver per win.
15 Silver per loss
3.0 gold per hour
20 gold maximum cap for tpvp tournaments.
Average play time = 5-6 hours per day, 50% win rate i.e 9gold for wins 5 gold~ for losses 14 Gold per day.

Vastly inferior still to PVE and we’ don’t want to be the best place to farm, we’d be happy with vastly inferior, rather then Half of vastly inferior.

Champion frostgorge farming can net 5~ gold per hour or 30gold per 6 hour day. Easily. With no real maximum and Zero Failure Rate.
Smart Dungeon farming and TP pvp can net even greater returns for lower time invested

If not straight up Gold; can we get Presents? or an increase in Glory gain to buy holiday items?

50k Glory per hour? tell me your magic.. Most people probably average a tenth of that..
Even less maybe, 300-500 per game – 10 games
500k glory = 1,000 hours. overestimate.

I’ve heard of 5 gold per hour easily in pve champ farms..

Can we get double the reward, same cap of 15 ? nothing much would change except you could actually concievably win 25 matches per day.

What’s funny is that PVPers have asked for a way to get some achievement points because they could never compete with PVE masters farming and when Arena net finally throws us a small bone with 2 EXTRA achievement points which we would get just straight up playing anyway, the PVE community just goes absolutely Batkitten over it.

Get over it PVE community; PvP does not have even close to the same efficiency of acquiring achievement points as PvE, and this was supposed to be a small buff so that we aren’t all left sitting on 4-5k achievement points after playing since beta.

Utter Greed all up in this thread, Shame on you. Shame.

Also; PSA if you were smart enough to buy out the toxic boxes the pristine leaves were up to 4 silver each last time I checked.. Ive got a couple stacks holding on to em for now though..

Soloque is supposed to be relaxing casual fun.. but it’s some kind of cess pit of rage and teen angst… just write it off as someone’s parents not giving them their after dinner snack.

I think they tried with these new heals..

I actually find the new mesmer heal to be quite interesting for my shatter build… makes for quite a lot of time thinking about every move I make..

.. You keep using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means..

Vote and put poll in the OP please
http://strawpoll.me/853596

Rewarding players for mediocrity is not the PVP way, we don’t have dolyaks dropping 2 silver poop here. If you want to earn those achievements you have to earn em the hard way.

Basically; Change the whole game and remove one of the most unique/revolutionary concepts because your Class has a weak downstate ? Ron? Because your Class can 100-Kill a player Gank?

Downstate adds and fixes so many problems from MMORPGs from the past If you’ve played WoW, WHO DaoC EQ1 you will understand. No longer are you rewarded from builds that go in and suicide bomb, die while taking out 2-3 guys, no longer are you rewarded for playing 100-0 builds as the most bestest skillest players around.

Feinted state is the dumbest idea; Let me tell you about pushing people off point and keeping them there for an extra 8-9 seconds because they are “feinted state” With no way to get back on point like mesmer/thief/Ele downstate or stop immediate stomps uncovered by stability ; this game would be worse so much worse.

Sure balance would start going in and in 3 years maybe anet would figure out how to balance out the game.

Downstate allows for variety to exist in builds; suicide bombers can still exist; 100-0 global cd builds can still exist, etc etc but they arent the APEX OMG DO THIS builds.

Do a poll, then see who’s in the minority; you know what? here’s a poll , add it to your OP.
http://strawpoll.me/853596

Downstate is the best thing that ever happened to this game.. I can’t believe how people can’t understand that if there was no downstate Burst DPS builds wouldn’t even be run and this safety meta would become a Special olympics safety meta.

http://strawpoll.me/853596ownstate Poll

They said we’d be able to vendor them… but .. like. .for how much man?…

The price has actually been steadily rising since release… I’m thinking there’s a reason for all the demand :/

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/3352860 7:00
It’s maybe 10-20 seconds after that..

NevirSayDie.6235:

Luthan.5236:

Another suggestion: Turn them into gold boost. 50 percent more money(okay it really is silver) while having such a item equipped. But don’t make it possible to get more of these in the future.

Old players will have a bit more way to make money this way.

This is probably the best solution/least prone to being exploited.

What’s that you say? 1000% gold Boosters? Sign me up.

Steal/backstab has almost no counterplay .. :/
For an example from my class;
Mirror images has almost no counterplay :/

These skills are bad for the game imho.. :/

uhh…. my AoEs always hit the minionmancer surrounded by his minions even if its a 3-target and he has 4 minions.. ..

Not sure why you’re mentioning golems as they have equal priority with golems..

Why not test instead of providing strange analogys…?
Roll a mesmer or ele and illusionary wave/pewpewfire a point with a minionmancer/guard/thief, check the players hp ? >> profit.

Body blocks are supposed to work against projectiles.. no. that is not an AOE

Yes. AoE prioritizes players over AI.. Buffs work the same way..

AoE’s prioritize Player characters over AI… it doesn’t effect you in the least..

There are exactly 6 different bugs which are completely similar to this… :/
Anet has not fixed…

mini.6018:

Dustin.2793:

Skull crack is fine. Playing top level tpvp with it. Although i main thief i play a pretty beast warrior.Half the time i play warrior to farm people with top tier friends. A three second stun needs to have some sort of animation to be fair. You just need to get a rhythm down and learn to position yourself when using it.
-Magic Toker

Problem is not that skullcrack is too bad for it,‘s casting time and obvious animation..Problem is mace is baddly designed overall.No cripple, no range, no mobility, extremely slow autoattack.
Another problem most classes have ranged ccs with lower casting time and no animation at all.I really don’t understand why they focused on 130 range single target stun so hard and left out ranged necro fears for example wich are impossible to tell.Nerfing high risk ccs but leaving out zero risk full reward ones untouched on other classes is not balance.

Maybe its because the warrior is loaded with gap closers/ccs on weapons/utilities already and putting more cc on a cc weapon would be too xzibit for anet?

This is one of those things that might not happen for two or even three patch cycles I think.. judging by how difficult it is to put in even the simplest of fixes, I am doubtful it is coming soon.

If they were to put in legendarys for glory right now; I’d be pretty buttmad.

Hopefully they don’t… and phase glory out as planned.

Im not going to scream MORE MORE REWARDS MORE IS NEVER ENOUGH!!

But as of right now you get about as much silver during a tournament match as pvers get running around the dolyak in LA picking up gifts.

On second thought you probably get more running after the dolyak,
I find this troubling
30s+600 glory = 36s ATM = 18 gifts running around LA…

We have infinitely more fun though so..watevz I guess

Pvp supremecy you mean.. it’s supposed to stop PVErs from afk farming..

Wins instead of Games is a good idea for pvp players guys. :/

Rigel.5789:

Darnis.4056:

Rigel.5789:

Adris.1859:

Rigel.5789:

Adris.1859:

I love to take a bath in this river of tears. You achievement grinders are hilarious !

And this is the GW2 community we are all so proud of. Nice.

Keep on grinding with your farmbuddies man. PvE community you are so proud of.

Judging by solo queue leaderboards where you are rank 618 and I’m rank 16 I’d say you should go farm in PvE buddy.

tichorum.2415:

The op has no idea what he’s talking about. You only need 4 of them, it’s just an additional way to get AP or the daily in general.

You may only need to do 4 of them to get the daily chest, but if you are a completionist you don’t miss out on point purposely.

You are only up there because of broken decay. Soloque rating is also determined by complete randomness.. Please never brag about your soloque rank again.

Pvp dailys should give extra rewards to pvpers not pve completionists.

Definitely a poorly thought out achievement. It should be “play 3 solo queue games” and “play 3 tpvp games”. Either of those should also count towards the “play 3 matches” daily as well.

No actually it’s very well thought out to prevent Afking matches like in prior daily achievements.

I already pointed out earlier in the thread that I don’t value solo queue ranking at all. I however do know for a fact that if you are any good you can easily get into the top 100, something you haven’t accomplished. I’m as much of a PvPer as anyone in this thread, and all you seem to argue for is to have these dailies in here so you can sit there and enjoy other people’s misfortune.

Very well thought out to prevent afking is just laughable. You were required to get 5 kills, 3 caps and top stats before. Something you can’t achieve by afking. And still if people only care about the actual chest, this won’t remove any of the previous problems. So if you’re stubborn enough to imply people akitten for the daily chest before, that would probably still be the case.

Actually I haven’t played solo que seriously for quite some time, and my personal best was r57 which was a real rank with 200-300 games won and not a decay exploit like your personal best. Not that it matters team que is the only fair rating of skill left atm and even then it’s only marginally true, something you haven’t yourself accomplished.
r59 in team que, 9 days ago is my personal best, and we hang around the top100 bracket usually.

Rigel.5789:

Adris.1859:

Rigel.5789:

Adris.1859:

I love to take a bath in this river of tears. You achievement grinders are hilarious !

And this is the GW2 community we are all so proud of. Nice.

Keep on grinding with your farmbuddies man. PvE community you are so proud of.

Judging by solo queue leaderboards where you are rank 618 and I’m rank 16 I’d say you should go farm in PvE buddy.

tichorum.2415:

The op has no idea what he’s talking about. You only need 4 of them, it’s just an additional way to get AP or the daily in general.

You may only need to do 4 of them to get the daily chest, but if you are a completionist you don’t miss out on point purposely.

You are only up there because of broken decay. Soloque rating is also determined by complete randomness.. Please never brag about your soloque rank again.

Pvp dailys should give extra rewards to pvpers not pve completionists.

Definitely a poorly thought out achievement. It should be “play 3 solo queue games” and “play 3 tpvp games”. Either of those should also count towards the “play 3 matches” daily as well.

No actually it’s very well thought out to prevent Afking matches like in prior daily achievements.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

@Rallad: iPersona is definitely a better trait in my opinion. More useful for multiple situations and improves the Mesmer overall rather than Imbued Diversion which only dramatically improves one ability (and is still a bit difficult to use effectively).

@Darnis: Ty for taking the time to give a detailed response. Your post reminds me why I need to get a video of this build in action out ASAP as I think there’s more than a few misconceptions here. Ironically, the sample build you posted is the build I published before this one.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-Vid-Mind-Crush-CS-Lockdown/first

This build spawned from that one, and is actually superior in a number of ways.

• Super Duper Low surviveability; Shatter uses Energy sigils for 4 dodging all day but you probably don’t wanna weaponswitch much in this build at all just to get away maybe..
  If you get targeted’ you’re probably gone.. _
  This isn’t a conceptual build, it’s something I’ve been running quite a bit. While I don’t use energy sigils (though they’re a fine choice and I recommended them in the full guide) the staff, combined with the dazes and blink, has actually been plenty of survivability. If anything I feel just as, if not _more durable than a standard shatterbuild and definitely have superior defenses to your standard Sword/Pistol – Greatsword setup. I weaponswap constantly as both weapons are important for both DPS and lockdown.

• One of the worst phantasms in game; disenchanter :/
  I guess you need it for clonespam..?
  This is a huge misconception that many Mesmer players have. Hell, I used to feel the same way up until recently and I’ve been playing Mesmer since launch. Disenchanter is actually extremely strong when used properly, and pretty much OP in 1v1 fights. Since it’s on a 16 second cooldown it can be summoned fairly rapidly and even if it only gets to attack once thats still 2 boons/conditions removed per hit and bounces 5 times. It attacks around every 5 seconds, so after two attacks it’s more than paid itself off.

• No mirror images for wombo combos
  - Not really shatter oriented because of no clone real clone production..
  seems more like Phantasm Lock..
  - Doesn’t seem like it would work well in team fights; only 1v1 capable?
  Phantasms which are constantly melee range like swordsman die instantly with no phantasms trait/sig so you bring little to no sustain and probably would get cleaved instantly.

Yeah, the Mirror Images is traded off for Mantra of Distraction, but even still, the amount of Vulnerability that can be stacked and maintained makes for very powerful shatters and phantasm hits. I never looked at this build as either a straight Shatter or Phantasm build as it utilizes both playstyles surprisingly effectively.
Even still, not having Deceptive Evasion doesn’t mean I can’t produce enough clones to shatter constantly, it means that I can’t be sloppy with my shattering and each clone/phantasm is a valuable resource rather than a throwaway.

As for the Swordsman, he actually stays OUT of melee range and jumps in to attack, during its attack it evades all damage until it jumps back out so it’s not very vulnerable to random cleave.

As for teamfights, when used properly this build is just as effective as your standard shatter. You still burst massive damage in AoEs, your dazes and lockdown means you can focus one target and shut out a second target, Disenchanter survives better than expected…

It just all takes time. There are a lot of new concepts in this build that aren’t normally explored in your standard Shatter, but the tradeoff is worth it if you’re willing to put the time in to learn an extra layer of gameplay.

I’ve played shatter builds extensively, hell.. I’ve played almost all Mesmer builds a considerable amount(kind of had to to write the Mesmer Guide) this build is certainly something new and different, but once the chain-dazes are learned properly it becomes very effective.

Sorry I don’t browse the pve forums so I didn’t see your previous builds/posts, the build I posted has been around for some time, I think some other mesmer who’s name I can’t remember played with it in some tournament for 10k USD.
Fair points I respectively Disagree. I am looking forward to your team que videos

Edit; Apologies! Confused by team mate who is constantly hyping this Halting Strike build but after looking through all the pax builds it seems it was never run, so nevermind.

Rank 10 is about 5-7 days of casual play 1-2 hours a day by my calcs..
R1-10 =10500 rank points? ~
150rp per match that’s 70?~ matches,
Average hotjoin amount per hour= 7 i.e 10 hours total

I would not be opposed to a rank 5-10 cap on soloque/teamque only for their own protection..

I’m a strong believer Positive low percentage growth…
Yesterday maybe 10k people played pvp; that’s 9k more then all of the past 6 months..
If 500 stick around that’s good enough for me for the first phase of rewards…
Next phase in two weeks another 500?

We don’t need 10,000 people running around screaming howto2capdoe? Every day..
Small Steady positive growth as Pvp adds more features and is made more fun to play for a more wide demographic of people is the only way.

Is the influx temporary? Who can really say.. I think the pvp population will quadruple in the short term and only double in the long term so .. I mean.. it’s still going to be an influx probably.

Cup half empty huh?

The Dailys are good for the game; Bad for achievement farmers.

Daily actually takes about the same time for me to finish.
Influx of players trying Tque and Soloque with buddies; good
Pve heros complaining they cant ezfarm all achievements in hotjoin: good

Is this new currency lets call them “Dark crystals” for ease, going to be given to tpvp/soloque players only: in the form of dungeon tokens the number of which is based on magic find via tourny win chests?..

Otherwise I’m not really seeing a point to phasing out Glory…It’s actually working as intended now with the “temporary” glory merchant I think… Flattening out the pvp gear structure and prioritizing Gem store gear over high end pvp gear.. as every rank 20 is in t3 now..