Guild Wars 2

Anyone else get vertigo from the amount of head shaking that went on while watching ?
Discuss.

Memorable quotes include
“Mesmer’s main weakness is condition damage” (Not thieves apparently)
“Thieves counter mesmers by not allowing them to spawn illusions” (Wut)
“Thieves are still burst damage and their sustain options are limited” (Lol)
“Axe is the aoe damage weapon for rangers” (Yup trufax.

Shatter Mesmer.
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsaRlknpGttpxMNcrNipxYyXihkB0QpLZ8FA-TZBCABAcCA04QA0dZgLeCAKt/AA

Not really meta but I still play it :I

Soloque is the new Hotjoin..
Discuss.

There’s no need to fix hotjoin because it’s not broken.
If you want to play noncompetitive casual fast paced matches soloque is right for you.

I agree with Vee Wee #1 engi NA and world first Rank 80.

Hello Frons I am Pink Puma #3 mesmer and world 2nd rank 80.

3v3 and 2v2 Arenas would be awesome.
But BEFORE THAT we really need Templates so we can switch builds for these game modes.

Yes Actually Ele does have the sustain of a warrior..
While also being able to chain CCs (built in)
The burst healing of an Ele is Pretty legendary.
Burning bro; the burning will eat you alive.
Yes it can disengage with RTL BS perma Swiftness Vigor, Evadespam.
No It doesnt have high toughness/vit.
Ranger is a b tier class at best.

“1. There is not problem in the current Meta Sd is not over performing at all.”

U WOT M8?
Scizor builds are probably the most popular build out there, I see matches with 4/10 thieves sometimes in soloque and a good many on opposing teams in tq (At Top 30)

I tried ZOOSE celestial D/d Ele and felt that for no skill I offered I was able to achieve quite the results in Soloque.

Shockwave.1230:

Darnis.4056:

D/p and S/D is coming back in a big way..

Especially with the new steal buff; Why’d they buff it to not require LOS ? :/ feels like dumbing the game down even further while making balance non existant.

From my experience they buffed it to include LoS. I haven’t seen any results from that ‘fix’, and I still steal without teleporting while getting my stolen bundle.

No :/ that would be how it was before; you can’t LoS steal anymore. You might just be too far or something .. or they’re at an impossible to get to area.

You can steal through a lot of ledges on foefire for instance.. even if the guy is half way to quarry.

D/p and S/D is coming back in a big way..

Especially with the new steal buff; Why’d they buff it to not require LOS ? :/ feels like dumbing the game down even further while making balance non existant.

This bug has been happening more and more since last patch for me : /

Lets switch the ready button to default to Ready rather then not ready;

Faster matches.

Rejoice! Season two of the living story is coming! Also; Wvwvw Summer tournament!

No seriously Evan has been in spvp forums all month hinting at features like Map-votes for soloque, Templates and other things.. read the forums bro :/

Fear of inspect / gear-checking by others.
Linking your build if asked is sufficient, the feature is unnecessary.

I can already tell half the time what a person is running by what they have/dont have.
This ALREADY happends, When I see a mesmer running two swords or some troll phantasm signet 3mantras kitten I will tell them to stop being a troll kitten.

I’ll keep doing it too, because some people actually listen, Oh so by running tank mesmer I’m hurting my team?.. Thanks Ill switch to something else.

My autism will intensify to a breaking point if this feature is added to soloque, I don’t believe I am alone in this either, Knowing that people run troll kitten in soloque is not the same as Knowing indefinitely at all times that your team is full of failkittens…

I feel The good (knowing your guardian is DPS and that your mesmer is a bunker)
is far outweighed by the Bad; Verbal abuse, elitism, information overload and endless rage that will be spawned by this “feature”.

This is going to be like seeing the ranks of your team pre-game.

TL;DR Bad feature, Rage Levels over 9000, Unnecessary, Linking does the job better, Consequences will never be the same.

PVE’rs have been using HoTM as a way to dodge a 3 silver waypoint cost since the dawn of time , so we have to be punished for it?

Put a 5 silver cost on going to HOTM, Problem solved.

The way Wvwvw/PvE template exploits/abuse can be handled is quite easily ;
The template system (gear side) could be tied to the banking system.
1. Eliminates the need to carry 6 sets of gear
2. Eliminates any and all possible abuse.
3. Sells Bank slots.

PvP Templates don’t need gearswaps; therefore do not need to be tied to a bank…

Then You could implement your Dressup-Endgame-templates as a secondary wardrobe system..

Also yes; I would like this feature right now, I would have liked it at launch ;P

I open chests at 300% MF, I have not gotten a single Ascended armor since april 15th.
I got 3 rings though.. :/ too bad rings don’t have skins.

No ant, OP has a point, It’s absolutely hilarious that the non-competetive champ farming game mode has a league system but the structured player vs player system does not.

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

I guess the problem really is how do you make an all encompassing system for PVP and PVE?

The answer is you can’t there will have to be two systems as long as you want an economy in this game.

PVE build require 15~ slots of inventory to be swapped out.

PVP builds Do not require actual items, or only some items like weapons are carried in the inventory. (But can be supplanted and skins can be selected for weapons to be used at all times)

What this means is that PVP builds and PVE builds already have to use different systems..

One thing you can do is make pvp builds free, and make PVE builds a paid service, 800 gems a pop, BUT for these gems you get free storage of one set of gear. Sounds like a win win to me.

The feature to storing more then one set of gear is already in game (or it used to be with pvp/pve armor/weapon split) so less coding; just plug in and collect $$$$

Just take it One step at a time :O

1. Templates that work with PVP; Saving Ammy/Trait/Weapons/Rune/Sigils
2. Templates that have some versatility in PVE (Ability to save traits only)
3. New Wardrobe feature completely unrelated to templates; Change to a saved look for the price of 3 Transmutation stone.

PVE templates are untenable and unnecessary.
Sharing PVE builds could just as easily be supplanted by sharing PVP builds; Yes the stats are on the amulet, but big deal?

What could be in a template:
Skins.
Dyes.
Outfit.
Finisher.

This is more of the Wardrobe feature rather then the template feature IMHO..
Wardrobe Templates =! Build templates

• Sharing

Sharing with chat links could be really cool, especially if you could name your loadout. Like Eve Online [Puma’s Far Point Assault]

• Saving

Saving @ Account should be preferred You could even make money off this feature
by offering it in the gemstore.

• Viewing

I think Viewing other people’s builds who didn’t explicitly share isn’t super important in soloque this would just cause headaches and Not at all important in teamque; I guess it’d be kinda cool to see the opposing team’s builds. but would just lead to buildwars and cancer gameplay.
Streamers can already spectate builds even in tournaments.

• Building;

I think you could seperate The chaff (Dyes skins outfits etc) into the wardrobe, and do the important part of the build in the PVP build Ui.

• API/Websites

it would be cool to have a harvester be able to instantly pick up all the builds and post them on a website for high end tournaments. I’m sure this is already possible just no one has bothered to code it.

• Builds for PVE:

I think this is untenable as PVE builds aren’t as easy to switch gear wise (1 amulet swap and done). Also Blatantly unneeded you could pve with no traits and still successfully zerg down keeps, there is also no urgent need to swap your build for any reason for pve , its mostly stack and spank or blob warfare.

BUILD TEMPLATES PLEASE!

This is honestly one of the biggest things missing from pvp, Allows for a lot of freedom Skill cap and just awesome sauce.

Been asking for this since release! ;_;

I don’t understand how PVErs misconstrue “Concentrating and Forcing fights in areas of a map” as “Fighting over points more important then killing players”.

Not every game mode has to be about a rotating champ farm like wvwvw, where you zerg down players all day…

You don’t keep all the weapons you need in your inventory ? :/
kitten?.. I keep 6 backpack skins in my inventory.

Time to invest in a new backpack slot if you’re running out of space…

I honestly would not be opposed to a Mystic forge in the PVP area since we’re given tons of kittenty exotics now to mystic forge, and the MF has gone away for no reason what so ever.

Today you learned that feedback is useless since this isn’t pve+
It’s a happy day as you now have a free utility slot!

I feel like offering Build templates should be the top priority of the PvP team…
Half the work seems to already be in; I feel like this feature would bring much more to PVP then a Map vote for the casual non-competitive PvP game mode.

Also I second nevir; Thanks Evan for being awesome and actually talking to the players and doing the Collaborative development thing rather then putting a sticky up and then forgetting about it.

Jasher.6580:

Here is what I get from this thread.

There are a lot of people who hate Skyhammer and the developers are planning on coddling the minority who contribute to making the majority miserable.

The people who like this map, like it at the expense of making everyone else miserable.

The only people who have fun on this map are the people pulling and pushing people off with troll builds. The people they are doing it to HATES it. Don’t FORCE us to play with these people… because basically that is what you want to do.

I dunno I feel like this thread is more about putting in a new feature, which could as a secondary part of this thread disenfranchise quite a few players
(33% voted to keep skyhammer in Soloque, this is not a small amount)
It’s not really about forcing players to do one thing or the other..

ALSO ::

IMHO Making the Vote a RNG system where each vote buys a roll for a certain map and the winning map is the one with the highest roll is fair. (I feel like this idea was ignored, or maybe I’m missing something)

Hopefully they do a tournament and give away free dragon finishers ;3

Simple fix, if you want to use the pvp Forge;
You have to play a match of solo que .
If you want to use the Pvp Bank;
You have to play a match of Team que.
#NoTradingPostForPvPers

Access lasts for one hour. (Does not stack).

but.. the lama finishers.. once a year…

Well yea; this was assuming that 33% of the population would choose skyhammer 100% of the time, which is not going to happen.
You don’t have to be a statistician to know how probability works..

The poll was that 30% of people don’t want to remove skyhammer, that’s a highly improbable situation.

One thing you could do, would be make it a Roll, rather then a definite..
So say you get 4 people who say they wanna play Khylo; and 1 Person wants to play Skyhammer, Theres 4 rolls to get khylo, 1 Roll for Skyhammer.
So the highest number out of 100 is the map, so say its 66 77 55 99 for khylo, and Skyhammer rolls 100. It’s gonna be skyhammer.

Evan Lesh.3295:

manveruppd.7601:

Imagine a scenario where we have templates.

I’ve been imaging this scenario since beta O_O
Feels like it’s the Cantha of the PVP community.

Weights would have to be introduced after sufficient data is collected; Maybe all the naysayers are wrong, and skyhammer will be played All day?

Usually people tend to choose the default option;
Check here to donate your organs on death
Gets a lot more votes then
Check here NOT to donate your organs on death.

• If skyhammer starts with 2 or 3 votes and people have to actively vote against it
  The odds favor skyhammer winning as the default choice.

• RNG Always picks unpopular maps

• Someone mentioned special weekends;
  Maybe on those weekends the vote is rigged toward skyhammer?

• Behavior modification Special rewards or Penalty for voting the same map all the time.

This type of weight would be added if the need arises…

Edit; Textile too hard please nerf.

First minute resign for 4v5s? Sign me UP.

I plugged the values we have into
http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/hypergeometric.aspx

And the results were favorable(20% Skyhammer will happen)

Unfortunately I don’t think 33% of the population will vote skyhammer 100% of the time to uphold these results.

Sociology has thoroughly proven that people will vote for whatever everyone else is voting for; If you show the results..

I’m leaning toward a Weighted system with More RNG rather then a direct democracy (For this particular feature)

Most likely its the skyhammer lovers who will throw away their votes as they are in the minority.

Phantasm mesmer losing 1v1 to anything is laughable :/

You’re probably so over confident that you don’t pay attention to your positioning, fighting a thief on even ground is a bad idea :/ LoS while your phantasms murder the ever living kitten out of him. ggwp.

infantrydivEU.9670:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Skyhammer is only an example of a map that some people have vocalized that they like less than others. There will always be maps that people like more and less than others. What I’m trying to get from you guys is to think of how a map voting system could work with regards to all player preferences. How could we ensure that players can always get chances to play their favorite maps?

Get real. These forums have been filled with Skyhammer complaints since you released the map. In fact, it’s probably one of the most complained about things on these entire forums, and that’s saying something. Do you see multiple complaints about Foefire, or TotSS or Khylo every day? NO.

How about you take all the people who like Skyhammer and then send them to their own private server where they can instagib each other all day long?

Two Words.

Spirit Watch.

When They came for Raid on capricon, I said nothing because I don’t play hotjoin.
When They came for Skyhammer, I said nothing because I am not a mesmer
When They came for Spiritwatch, I said nothing because I am not a ranger.
When They came for Foefire, I said nothing because I am not a guardian.
When They came for Nifhel, I said nothing because I am not a thief.
When They came for Khylo, there was no one left to protect my ESports.

(HYPERBOLE INTENSIFIES)

Evan Lesh.3295:

Darnis.4056:

As a fan of skyhammer this feature would make me sad ;_;

Thank you for responding, as this is a very real case we would have to handle. What would make this feature work for you?

I actually haven’t got a clue I can only say for certain Map Voting will effectively remove skyhammer from the Soloque Rotation.

Unless You force Skyhammer Pops or tip the scales of the voting system.
Maybe Only give people a certain amount of votes per day, and those votes are used up when they recieve the map they want.

All solutions I can think of would be needlessly complicated and superflous
Wouldn’t it be easier to just remove skyhammer from soloque instead of spending 1000s of man hours on a feature which exists specifically for the purpose of creating a false choice?

The system now is fair, Adding a vote system to Soloque will have unintended consequences, the build wars will intensify with people only Voting for the map which their class has a considerable advantage in. (In the end you would get super saturated games like 5 guards on foefire)

Adding a vote system to Team que would be a mistake I’m HOPING it’s not even on the table. I can see the troll guilds now;

No Items Guards Only[FOE]
We PVE[CHIEF]
Masters of Khylo[TREB]
Buffs’R’Us[TMPL]

All pvp maps are SAB :/

There are so many jumping puzzles I have to do on a daily basis my head hurts;
Mine/Henge in Nifhel
CT in Khylo
ALL of foefire.

As a fan of skyhammer this feature would make me sad ;_;

#GiveUsBackOurMysticForge

Lich + Save Yourselves! = GGwpNoRe

BEST SPORTSSSSSS

No seriously this is the kittentiest part when you go balls to the wall 1v2 on node, 25 kills 100% full cap on far all game, carry a soloque and then DC at the end and your reward is 0 gold and possible dishonerable it’s the best feeling of the day.

Edit; Of course the solution was to move this thread to the tech support forum; because it’s not Anet’s fault if you dc!

ITT: Ai specs aren’t cancer! Learn to play!
In MMnecro Threads; AI Specs are cancer, Anet plz Nerf!
In Phantasm Mesmer threads; AI specs are cancer, Anet plz Nerf!

Make up your God kitten mind engies.

That AI cancer kitten is not over powered; but it’s for sure the lamest and most unfun builds to fight of all builds ever used in soloque almost as bad as Pre-nerf Hambow/Mm Necro.

The tears of the peasnt PvEr’s in soloque, when Lord Puma cannot carry them and they turn on their lord in anguish.
No actually that’s that kitten I don’t like, these PvEr’s all have an attitude problem way worse then mine. Especially these trash “#1NA gvgers” who dodge every 2v2 3v3 or 5v5.

=_= Welcome to pvp!
Distortion Stomps
Portal Stomps.
Phase Retreat+Blink stomps.
Shadow Step Stomps

More creative, “Unfair” advantages.
If you’re sad that your faceroll warrior ;_; qq
Doesn’t have a guarunteed stomp on a 60-90 second cooldown,
well…………. tough luck buddy.

Branden Gee.2150:

Dwaynas Avatar.1562:

Branden Gee.2150:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Branden Gee.2150:

Thanks for reporting this! This looks like a scaling issue where the effect is scaling the character’s size but the skill itself is not scaling. A fix for this will require some design work so I can’t say a whole lot in regards to when it could be fixed.

While a respect this honest answer, I’m really concernd that we didn’t even get a "soon™ ".

I wish I could say soon™. But this is a pretty interesting issue to address.

Easy fix:
Just make that if you enter a pvp match, you automatically get transformed into a human character, so no issues anymore (for the time you are in this match). Like when you use a tonic or so.
And btw I want an option for myself to let everyone be shown in a pvp match as a human so I finally can see the animations of the Freaking asuras and norn mesmers stop destroying my view…

How would this idea handle things like cultural armors? Won’t turning everyone into humans cause a loss of uniqueness in the game? Every player has specific facial adjustments, body types, heights, armor colors, and weapons; what happens to these?

That’s that kitten I don’t like.

This is the main reason this game will never be esports, End game is dressup not skill based PVP.

Wow, you went with hamifle instead of RifleHam ?
Sounds like this build can’t be good since it’s got such a weak name.

Pay me, to fight the most cancer builds, ever concocted!
We’ve got;
Venomshare thieves’ guild parrot builds!
Bm Ranger Condi Tank; full Ai/Regen builds
Condi Tank Warriors with pants on head kittened healing signet regen
Super Cancer Elementalists with Sustain healing and Sustain damage!
And of Course, last but not least Prismatic Understanding Mesmers

Sounds good, let me get my hard earned pve money out.

Seriously, I’m surprised people actually admin/watch these servers like a day job.
Also I am jelly of your PvE money, how much have you made now 3k?