I haven’t read the entire thread, but I wanna ask, are the devs considering WvW? Because if so, thieves are going to uhm how do I put this kill everything. You must put a limitation to swapping trait sets, which should be there even for swapping traits and equipment, such as, you must wait at least 2 minutes AFTER getting out of combat.
-Thief attacks your Warrior with s/d 20066, fails, gets INSTANTLY out of combat with Shadowstep, returns with s/p 50036 within FIVE seconds and kills you. Imagine this, except for every possible situation.
Roaming will no longer be actual fighting and trying to make a build that’s okay for every possible foe, but instead roaming with a build that’s the best at getting out of combat, then switching to a build that hardcounters that foe and gg. Will be so much fun! Another aspect of the game ruined! =)
I kinda Feel like when they removed the ability to change your build from PVP they dumbed down the game.. Being able to disengage and change your build adds a lot of skillcap.
Just switch amulet or a single Utility and you can actually mitigate a hardcounter, Maybe the other roamer should also switch his build to one which gives him an advantage over his opponent.
yes thats true, with our must have traitline we get at least a low protection uptime which is up on the moment i don’t need it much times after i dodged something important.
but of course nice to heave and useful in some situations.
at least i just wanted to say the nerf of the endurance regeneration from 50% to 25% was never need.
this nerf just give no reason for a profession like ranger.
but on professions like elementalist they stay with 50% endurance regeneration.
the access to vigor on ranger is also not so huge like on much other professions.
so ranger don’t have so much more dodge then the rest if you compare
and in the same time thats the only survive mechanic of this profession.
if you look on longbow/longsword rangers they have even less dodges then an d/d elementalist but not this amazing heals and mobility.
Most professions time their burst to after a dodge. if you have constant evades and protection uptime after the evades well, that’s god kitten annoying.
Thieves have 1 stack of might on dodge.. whoopee (Minor).
Warriors have 2k~ damage on dodge if they can dodge into someone,(Minor)
Necromancer has a a staff 2 when they dodge.
Engineer has Create a bomb when they dodge.
Guardian has a Small AOE heal on Dodge (Minor)
Rangers have Protection on dodge(Minor)Remove PoisonBlind on Dodge(Master)
Mesmers have Clone on dodge ( Master Trait )
Elementalist has attunement Effect on Dodge (Grand Master trait)
When you think of the classes that have perma vigor..
Ranger does not have a bad deal here not bad at all.
Compared to the other classes, Only Mesmers and elementalists have a better on dodge skill, and they have to spec 20-30 points to get it.
In fact the only reason that healing poison and blind doesn’t see more play is because of the relatively easy time ranger has with conditions…
If you make it so that when you enter sPvP, your toon changes races and appearance, you can pretty much guarantee that no PvE player will ever try out/play sPvP again.
also, Helseth plays an asura mesmer…I dont imagine the Lord himself would be agreeable if he is forced to be a human
Helseth plays asuras for their obvious advantage.
Asuras must be dealt with somehow if pvp is ever to be taken even the least bit seriously.
How about, instead of doing useless promo stuff like this, wasting ressources on it… you finally fix solo arena queue?
You know, things like…. skyhammer, 4v5, unbalanced matches? That might actually bring a lot more people back then something like this.
This.
Please stop wasting time with this bullkitten that no one really cares about. I can already predict everyone will be disappointed by it.
Those are two seperate things though..
Soloque = Casual.
Gamescom = Esports.
If we’re esports there’s more money for pvp dev, you should be happy…
Anet needs to do MORE promo stuff like this.. pvp needs more popularity not less. no one really cares about soloque anyway, it’s where you go to develop an aneurysm.
Roll your face on the keyboard Tier.
d/d Celest ele, Tank Staff ele, Rifle/Kit Celest Engie, Hambow Warrior,
Hybrid Evis Warrior, PU Mesmer(NM), Terrormancer, s/d thief PantsonheadkittenedlichformNecro.
Some Skill Required to Play tier.
Fresh Ele, Bunker guard, Meditation guard, Ranger, Mesmer, D/p thief.
You and another player both get to a node that’s uncontested and owned by the enemy You ;
A) Leave the Point
B) Start typing for the other Player to leave so you can get the points.
C)Acquire double the Points by double capping
I somewhat oppose this ; Just another thing that pveers can point to when they get called out on the forums " I can’t team que or soloque because I havent bothered to get to rank 20, But please believe me I’m the best at my class)
Because This post is a reply to the Ready up 16# Dev chat. That’s why.
Read my other comments; Removing the ability to CC/kill the phantasms before they attack is Removing counter play.
Just because you don’t like Replies to “your thread” doesn’t give you any right to tell people to leave.
Again; I am On topic. I was asked for Proof of skill. No need to further attack me on this basis. If you were not interested in an open discussion you should not have posted on the forums you should have posted on your refrigerator.
Phantasm mesmers aren’t meant to be the AoE hate machines that Ele’s are, devs have said this,
They’re looking to Slightly increase damage and provide maybe some small changes, Not remove counterplay and overbuff mesmers.
Great. You’ve shared your opinion. Given you’re also going off topic by throwing your rank around and trying to chest thump your way to being right, please change your posting attitude or leave the thread.
I didn’t chest thump; I provided this because I was asked for video confirmation.
I have no intention of leaving this thread, and will continue to contradict your wild fantasies. You are not the gate keeper for posting, in fact you’re far from it.
Fay you have like 300 games total from both ques.. And even then they seem to be so long ago that they’re not recorded on any leaderboard. Which is cool I guess, but it also means your rank isn’t really legitimate it’s just the rank you were able to achieve with the first 12 games.
My posts have been completely on topic, the only thing they haven’t been is in agreement with your suggestions.
The problem with your Meteor Shower and iZerker analogy is that phantasms aren’t one-shot skills, they’re more like minions. A closer analogy would be if Meteor Shower lasted forever until killed and you could stack up to three of them in the same spot.
Also mesmers can have up to four phantasms slotted at any given time, so the ele equivalent would need a Meteor Shower for every attunement to be equivalent.
Two .. phantasms.. slotted at any time if you’re refering to the kittenty Utility skills no one uses which aren’t damage , then you can have those.
The first idea is just straight up Over the top.
You’re not asking for a buff here, you’re basically asking for an end to a lot of counterplay.
While this may be a good idea for wvwvw since no balance takes place there,
it’s a completely awful idea for skill based PVP.
What are you talking about? Nobody kills a phantasm before its first attack. That’s the only thing that making it spawn invuln changes. You can still blind or LoS the cast of the phantasm, you can still dodge the attack of the phantasm, you just can’t kill it within the first few seconds of its life…which isn’t done anyway.
I kill the phantasm or CC it before an attack sometimes when I don’t have a choice; ie. no dodge and I’m too far from the mesmer to CC him.
In high skill gameplay this is not uncommon.
Balancing the game for the lowest skill gameplay where this is impossible is silly.
I realize this is a PVE oriented subforum, but still come on guys, I main mesmer this is blatently OP.
Buffing Mantra of Pain to do instant undodgeable AoE damage is also ridiculous especially with the damage potential and the 3-5 second cooldown.
The first idea is just straight up Over the top.
You’re not asking for a buff here, you’re basically asking for an end to a lot of counterplay.
While this may be a good idea for wvwvw since no balance takes place there,
it’s a completely awful idea for skill based PVP.
What I get mad about is: losing against someone playing a meta build (and you’re not) AND proceeds to annoy you thinking they are ‘better’.
#hambow
#turretengineer
#afknecro
#perma-evade thief
#spiritranger
Uw0tM8 ?.. Because the opposite is true ? :/
Playing a kittenty build you thought up yourself doesn’t make you good
or morally superior.
Gwshack.info Is NOT often outdated not sure who’s spreading this false info around and why but this is the 2nd time I’ve read this on this forum the first time it was blu who said it. It scrapes the GW2 leaderboards and you can see the last update (within 15-30 minutes)
Obviously the GW2 leaderboards themselves lag, but the lag time is within 1 -2hours of actual play.
Even if it has an ideal balance and stuff – underwater physics and smooth of movements will kill all fun. Don’t kid yourself.
Reward Tracks only rewards the casuals like you, not the actual core of PvP (which is again a huge let down from A-Net). Second Underwater-Combat is still broken. Taking hotjoin or PvE/WvW as a POV of your experience is pretty unaccurate.
Here I thought the hardcore crowd always tells people how they don’t need rewards to play PvP…
When a hardcore player says rewards he probably means More tournaments like Mistleague, a real ladder and some sort of meaning attached to Leaderboards.
Not hardcore dressup endgame fantasies. (Although I love me some dressup)
If you make it so that when you enter sPvP, your toon changes races and appearance, you can pretty much guarantee that no PvE player will ever try out/play sPvP again.
Well okay wait; what if it’s only for Team Que(Or Special Custum arenas for High End Tournaments) pvp, and only asura characters?
Most people try out the non-competetive modes of play first and not everybody plays Rats.
There has to be a compromise somewhere; No should be forced to do anything like make a new character but High end Pvp Cannot have imbalances on a base level such as Race or Costumes.(Outfits hide animations/create Animation locks)
Even though Mistleague has banned Asuras, TOL can’t ban them (because anet can’t admit some things even with definitive proof)
Can’t give errybody prizes :/
64 teams Will get a worthless Lama (64 Extra Worthless Lamas)
11 Teams will get a Black Lion Claim ticket (11 Extra Tickets)
8 Teams will get 4k gems each; (6400 gems extra)
3 Teams will get Precursors and Legendaries (2 Extra precursors +1 Extra Legendary)
You have to get really good at timing your skills to the end of their evades o_o
Most thieves will make spaces and are not in perma evade mode..
As soon as a space appears you can extend it with a Daze; hopefully your timing and the clone’s Rng movments coincide.
I’ve recently gotten kinda good at calling their shadow refuge and using my 1 second cast KB as they cast SR knocking them out of it as they cast it.
If you can play fearlessly and make the thief go into a panic you can win as a mesmer; but this is mostly mind games, and you have to disable their SR(Mostly luck here, because they can perma evade in it or cast it from stealth)
I feel like balance changes are important, but right now the meta is actually not completely awful sure there’s stuff to work on but it’s never going to be the case that PerfectBalance will be achieved, we keep finding things which are completely cancerous. #Warriors,IncindieryPowder,Strenghtroons+AirFireSigils,OutPlayedByAi.
What we need are Features; by keeping these threads in the community’s eye and not allowing them to leave the front page we might not get everything but we might get something.
I honestly believe that arenanet has two camps one camp that wants to help make PVP the best that it can be and one camp that says that PVP is basically irrelevant, the only way for the first camp to be able to do it’s job is when they can point to player consensus, especially when they have to fight the status quo of Making a profit by selling things in the Gemshop over implementing features.
“Hey look You’re wrong the players really DO want templates, and yes it might hurt us with our character slot sales, but this will be a really great feature for the game”
What I’m tired with in conquest is:
- being forced to fight near/on point, where aoe spam is king and certain builds/classes have distinct advantages.
- being forced to fight in a timely fashion against point bunkers – unlike wvw where you can kite around for half an hour if you like.
- being forced to do a silly dance rotation to cap the points/meaningless objectives.
What makes a fun to play/ Fun to Watch Game mode?
1. Kiting for hours
2.Fighting in one area.
3. No Point Bunkers
Really ? :/ I think that would be an awful to play and awful to watch gamemode..
Without Objectives which concentrate fights (PointsLordFlag) You end up with an unbalanceable Doki-doki-carebear-run-run game mode.
We already have that, It’s called Wvwvw, we don’t need to make PVP into Wvwvw.
IF you TRULY want updates to PVP go Bump these threads; and Keep them at the Top of the forum all year instead of creating new Posts and splitting discussion.
Well, When the game is going to be balanced based on 1v1 rather then team fights point control and rotation ability, then these builds will be relevant until then however; 1v1 Builds are pretty much irrelevant;
@Darksteel if you feel “Unranked” is an insult you’re wrong, I’m just stating a fact that you have not even begun experiencing low-mid tier play.
I feel like Every class has a build for Skyhammer;
Guardian> Meditations Greatsword
Mesmer> Soldier’s amulet shatter Focus/Greatsword
Necro> Fear Chain / Shroud walk w/ Cc immunity trait.
Ranger > CC Immunity trait Longbow5 all day.
Thiekittentealth daze Pull all day.
Engineer > hahahahahaWHEEEEEEE
Elementalist > Uhh.. I dunno actually… Maybe a rocksolid build with Double Armor of earth. Staff or d/d for chaining CC
Yes all hail our new lord and saviors the unranked Darksteel and Curunen.
No seriously do you guys even play pvp in any game mode? :/
The PVE Profession balance Forum is over there
And the Open World PVE against 2 other servers forum is also not here.
The only class with such Noskillrequiredspam2win condition application that it needs to be looked at is Engineer with Incindiery powder (How Dhuumfire + is still in the game is beyond me)
What?.. I’ve reported someone using racial slurs @Me one time during a game, but didn’t say anything ; Next game I get tells from his teammates saying he has a 3day ban
Can we get a timeline? what’s up with this feature?
Is it gonna come this year? next year? Is active work being done on this and we’ll get it eventually? Is it never coming because it competes with Anet’s Character slot sales?
There was a dude that used to work for Curse that used to interview them all the time and call them out when the stuff they said wasn’t really lining up with what was actually happening in game. What happened to that guy? .
You can’t rage against the machine when you are the machine..
