Guild Wars 2

Essential in every team:
mesmer, ele, rev

Very possible to see use:
engi, ranger, thief

decent but not likely to see use:
guardian, warrior, necro

At least I don’t find any profession to be trash tier this time.

Agree with this.
At least all boosters should boost reward track progression in WvW and PvP alike.

EremiteAngel.9765:

I feel like they didn’t put so much importance on WvW previously because perhaps they wanted to promote PvP and PvE more.
But I guess most of the hardcore GW2 players are actually WvW players? Just a gues.

WvW was like the only end-game content before PvP league and PvE raids were implemented.

Hopefully they can make three successful parallel end-game content from now on.

OMG, ppl like OP srsly need calm down.

This is like a reset night and many ppl are just coming to check the new changes. It will be less population from now on.

Even though there is still queue problem. They can simply delink overly populated servers and link more than 2 less-populated world.

None of those comes even close to the power of portal…

Weapon: GS & Sword/torch
Traits: Dom/Chaos/Chrono, take mental anguish, PU, shatter on quickness
Utility: mantra of distract, decoy, blink
Elite: gravity well, moa, mass invis, pretty much personal preference
Gear: zerker or marauder, scholar rune

PierPiero.9142:

i play engi but condition engi is not viable now .. power engi with hammer is much stronger . the only full condi class i found really strong to play is mesmer . How many other condition build really viable do you see in this meta ? mesmer is really strong in this meta but i find it also balanced . it has no stealth in this meta and it is killable . i don’ t see so many other condi build strong . Condi druid or revenant perhaps ?

Condie revenant definitely strong since it has resistance which counters other condie specs.

Condie druid is so-so.

I played condie warrior these days and it is actually pretty decent. Kinda like an improved version of the old burn guardian. It can dish out high burst stacks consistently while providing more cover condies compared to the burn guardian.

Condie engi is actually pretty decent too. I have been roaming WvW with condie engi for a long time. It can certainly work in PvP as well.

I really think with the nerf to condie necro, many more condie specs will be viable now.

This amulet is definitely strong.

We have all seen how cheesy dire amulet can be in WvW and this amulet is quite similar.

So condie shatter relies on the crazy synergy between clone reproduction traits, phantasm cd reduction trait after shatter to maintain a consistent damage pressure.

In chrono line, it is very obviously the slow related traits are quite weak. So some buffs there maybe useful.

Other than that, I think GS1 should receive some aftercast reduction.

Then we probably should hope for some weakness access throughout the game.

If we take continuum shift out of the equation, I can argue that moa is a much much more expensive skill compared to revenant dragon or shiro elite. If moa is as easy to avoid as dragon or shiro elite, then it is pretty much a trash skill.

That being said, I am fine with moa as a little bit better visual tell. e.g. the signet icon appear right after the skill gets casted rather than finished casting.

Even during chronobunker time, the ability to either double gravity well or have low CD timewarp is still pretty strong. But that time the biggest problem is quickness rezzing and stomp so the focus fire is there.

Now comes the time where most other broken class specs have been nerf’ed. Our ability to cast Moa on an essential 70 sec CD will really stand out as the biggest problem.

I admit that I definitely didn’t take enough consideration into PvE where a lot of our strength lies within quickness sharing. This would be a very hard nerf(timewarp from an actual 60 sec CD to 135 sec CD). But I still think some form of compensation can still bring us back to a sweet spot.

Let’s be honest. It is not a good thing to have every long cd elite to be on the same cd as CS.

Ross Biddle.2367:

The Meta Chrono build has zero stealth, zero stability, and a single stun break. If you see a Mesmer casting Moa, interrupt it. You have an entire second to do so.

Not really. You always want to either shield 5 stun lock an opponent then cast, or you moa someone in middle of a cast and didn’t realize you are casting moa.

And you moa then F5, so you can still cancel the cast. If you get dazed, then fine, you haven’t casted F5 yet. Just do it again.

Here is my idea:

Give CS a base cooldown, say, 60 sec.

Everytime CS is used, among the skills being reset, add the highest cooldown to the CS cooldown.

e.g., You reset polymorph moa using CS, when CS ended polymorph moa has a 17x sec cooldown which is the highest among all skills used during the split. That 17x sec cd will be added to your CS and make it 23x sec cooldown.

I think this is the most fair way I can think of to change CS. Some of our elite skills justify their strength by having a long cool down. Nerfing them because of CS low cd is unfair.

With the amount of powercreep already in the game, I would say it is not too bad to give RTL evade frames

The best counter to mesmer is trap dragonhunter.
Just try one and you will see 90% of the mesmers don’t know how to deal with you.

If you truly want nerf happen, play that class you want nerf.

It is so easy to reroll to anything OP nowadays.

I feel they haven’t figured out the best way to change continuum split.

As a mesmer main, I was expecting a CD increases to continuum split but it didn’t happen.

Moa is by no means overpowered with its original 180sec CD. Ppl didn’t like it because its high failure rate, lack of coordination from teammate and being negated by the old rune of vampirism.

The only thing about mes being strong is moa.

There is nothing that stands out outside of that. Any class’s condie build can do just as well as mesmer’s condie build.

So we get QoL improvement and no nerfs.

Expect a lot of nerf cry coming since both necro and rev have been nerf’ed. We will be the main target and eventually get nerf’ed hard again.

So enjoy while it lasts.

Ground targeting skills are always the king in WvW. It is really not just the wells.

I think they have a good chance and are the better team.

lol wat?
pvp meta: mes and necro are hybrid with condie emphasis, ele support, rev engi and ranger are power. Looks to me a pretty even split

wvw meta: more like a cc spam meta. never see a mes/necro zerg. Even if you see them, they are more likely playing power spec.

fractal: seldom see condie

raids: some condie but most are still power.

You can’t.

This is the point of the build: endless clones and consistent condie pressure. If you want to train down a mesmer, you will be able to with a revenant. But you won’t be able to win a duel.

As for engi and druid, it will be perpetual fight if you don’t get moa’ed. But mesmer is such a good duelist this patch because of low cool down F5 reset moa.

The only real counter to the mesmer build om a 1v1 is dragonhunter. Because traps autocleave out all the clones and it is very hard for mesmer to dish out enough damage to put on the pressure.

Well, good luck taking over SoS’s seat of being forever outnumbered in tier2.
Had to fight over-stacked server for a year except for a few weeks before expansion hits.

Zuko.7132:

I said pretty much… learn to read. And yes I am that good. I am in the gw2 pro league and play against the best of the best players on a regular basis. Random guys in wvw don’t pose much challenge 1v1.

If you want challenge, then you shouldn’t go to mag. Mag already has better AND way more players than oppositions.

A rev definitely requires more skill to be useful than an ele, an engi or even a necro.
But a good rev can make much bigger difference than the other class.

It is essentially a deleted skill. Not worth looking at again.

style.6173:

Actually very much dependent on your class. Balance is the problem.

Well, as long as you play a meta build, it is easy.

I have friends reaching legendary with meta builds from 6 different classes(other than guardian, warrior, thief) with ease. I also see plenty of DH in my legendary games as well.

Some of the damage reduction are being added rather than multiplied, obviously.
Anet should definitely look into this. Probably as some of the ppl suspected, rite of the great dwarf is the culprit.

Druid really stands out because the ability to damage buff w/o sacrificing any healing capability.

I think a lot of times it come down to who blow up F4 first. Because you know after they blow up F4, you have a good chance to stun/moa them or interrupt their signet of illusion.

There won’t be big buff to guardian.
So I guess goodbye, my friend.

The problem now is that both conditions and condition cleanses are too spammable.

I would probably go for something like this
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQJARWnsnBtfilqBmpBEgilTjqOaz2v1cH2mbgMA2ggC-TVABBAw+DAA-w
focusing on cc and doing damage.

Straegen.2938:

We cannot even get a visible Hunter’s Ward… circles… unlikely. Don’t even get me started that the Guardian somehow managed to get a CC that cannot be stun-breaked or dodged/blocked out of. The only way to not get hit by the invisible fence is to use the force and then pray you have a teleport capability.

And if there happens to be a test of faith trap around, you could easily eat a 5k damage by teleporting out of it.

Longbow 5, dragon’s maw, traps, they all need red circles to show their landing location.

That light blue color in a chaotic environment like WvW is extremely hard to see. And these skills are extremely powerful in damage and crowd control.

Spartacus.3192:

Exciton.8942:

No no and no. Personal statistics is a terrible terrible metric to judge performance, I could argue it is even worse than personal score.

I would be ineterested to hear why not? Of course i agree that personal score is useless but thats very different to personal stats. At least if there was some intelligent way to take into account the different roles people tend to play. DPS, Bruiser, Support, Bunker, etc.

okay, let me give you some scenarios.

An engi contesting an enemy controlled far point, fighting 1v2. Engi’s teammates fighting a 4v3 at mid. So obviously the four teammates will gain way more personal stats compared to the engi, because they are not only in a teamfight(AOE give you more stats) but also outnumber the opposition. But can you say the engi is a worse player? I would even go as far as saying he is the actual real MVP!

Also, tanking damage is a credit? What about ppl playing profession like thief who spend most of the time evading attacks? You can’t quantify that stats.

Then on doing damage: stats heavily favors ppl playing sustain damage rather than burst damage. Burst damage roles will do way less damage than sustain damage roles in a game but that sudden pressure can put opponents off-guard. This again can’t be quantified.

As you said, there are so many different roles in the game. They just contribute in very different way that is not possible to be compared fairly by some quantified stats.

No no and no. Personal statistics is a terrible terrible metric to judge performance, I could argue it is even worse than personal score.

Zelda.6325:

I mostly like it. However, don’t increase continuum split cd. Either change the functionality entirely (reduce cd, remove skill reset portion for instance) or leave it and nerf other things about condi mes (i prefer the former however). Raising the CD without any compensation would gut shatter mesmer even further- something i am strictly opposed to.

I would say increasing cd of continuum shift is a nice and simple change compared to changing functionality which will never happen with Anet.

This can also make it easier to buff power-based mesmer in other areas for better overall shape of the class.

I am experiencing exact same thing here in NA after hitting legendary x2.

I think it is time to take a break from ladder. We can still improve have fun by dueling or playing unranked. Playing against vastly superior opponents again and again just seems too frustrating for me.

FrownyClown.8402:

Do you expect to win every legendary match? Its pretty hard to keep winning without a good team when you get up there

I would happy enough to win just a few or maybe just a few close contests.

The problem now is that I lose them all and they are not even close. I get really difficult opponents. Yesterday the guy in top 3 in the rank board was against me 3 times in a row.
And also have to keep facing PZ guys, sunfish, ostricheggz etc.

Maybe it is time to stop playing ranked and go back in unranked or improve my mechanics by dueling….

Have lost pretty much 90% games after I hit legendaryX2.

Almost every other game, there is one or more ESL players on the opposing side. Not even once, I have an ESL player on my side. All the lost games are like complete blow out of 500-below 200.

If you think games in diamond and ruby are bad, you will have your eyes open in legendary. Most of my friends quit after hitting legendary because it is pretty much same story for all us casual players.

Dutchdevil.6902:

yeah but I am already in sapphire.. so means that I need to cross this.. then ruby.. and amber doenst count.. so I need to pass diamond in this year or the next

Look at my earlier reply.

Cross sapphire to ruby this season, that is 1
Get to ruby next season, that is 3
Get to sapphire next next season, that is 2

Now you have all 6 crosses and you are in position to complete all 4 part of the ascension achievement.

Dutchdevil.6902:

I am almost done with sapphire and I only crossed 1 of the 3 tiers.. so corssiing sapphire will be 2 and ruby will be 3,.. so this means amber doenst count.. meaning in year 4 i need to get to legendary… Help anet

Nope. It doesn’t have to completed in one season. It is just poorly worded achievement.
You simply need a total of 6 more.

Dutchdevil.6902:

1) Didn’t know that crossing amber (division 1) didn’t count for crossing the first of 3 for the achievement league champion.

I think crossing amber to emrald definitely counts as 1 cross.

You need in total 6 more crosses.

Make ruby this season and next season. Then last season you only need a sapphire.

I think it seems very doable.

Sidizen.9048:

In PvE I agree with you in that it makes most content very easy but our DPS is still lacking. We are nowhere near a high enough DPS to be “meta” for Fractals when compared to Ele’s or Revenants. We’re a good solo class, but not that great in groups. I don’t think we need a nerf in PvE at all, but I don’t think we should be buffed either. Necro is in a good spot right now, we don’t need to be nerfed or buffed, Anet just needs to buff the weaker classes and all this QQ will go away.

Condie reaper is close to top dps in raid. Pretty sure same story in fractals.
Reaper is also crucial in raid wing2 that pretty much every group needs. Claiming reaper bad in group is completely false information.

Still appreciate a good thief on my team but it is so rare to see a good one these days.

It is definitely the hardest to play profession right now.

I didn’t like signet of illusion’s cast time at first. But it just has so much synergy with current shatter/clone spam condie build. You benefit so much from being to shatter(more than its basic function), more condie spam, more healing, more condie clear, more alacrity.

Mental defence….I really want to take the other two traits when theorycrafting bunker mes builds. But w/o mental defence, surviving gets harder as mesmers are really squishy and we have no more bunker amulets anymore.

I really don’t think AT is OP with 25 sec CD. Just compare it to corruption boons from necro. They corrupt 3 boons on a 15-sec CD skill(10 sec traited). Even that doesn’t make it a mandatory choice for necro. They still have other ways to corrupt boons.

You are also absolutely underestimating portal. Would suggest you check out some Helseth’s gameplay video to see how he utilizes portal to carry solo queue. Mesmer’s biggest carry potential comes from portal. To be honest, I would prefer picking a necro or an ele compared to playing your build.

Soothsayer.9206:

Soothsayer.9206:

Exciton.8942:

Duel a potent engi/druid which are the boon spamming class in this meta.
Maybe record a video or two so we can see the result.

If I am able I will; to be honest I have never even once thought about recording myself(am quite a shy person to be honest), but it might be a good idea to see what things I can improve on. Having stated that, I have had to fight both of them, never an easy fight, but sometimes I win sometimes I don’t (should zig when you zag, etc. who couldn’t do better in any situation?). Let me ask this if you don’t mind: What exactly does posting a video prove other than the above? What if I run into a real noob, then I look op. What if I run into a pro league player (I feel like I am a good or solid player) and I look like a noob? Either way, its not necessarily a commentary on the build or its abilities or even my own ability(to be honest, I feel like my main’s build is better than I can play it).

Furthermore, am I supposed to cower in fear because I have to fight them, or there’s no value in boon stripping because they “spam” boons, or worse, my build “stinks” because I lost a battle against metas that are tough match ups for anyone? Again, the point is that I feel like its better than Mesmer’s current meta; for example, what do you do in a solo match up with Mesmer meta against druid/engi? Portal? Moa(the 2 skills in question; moa if you are able to land it possible advantage you don’t have burst enough to bring them down- and you might even get moa’d back), then what? If either engi or druid remain on point(which is their job), I believe I have better chance of getting some of their boons and applying constant condi pressure with everything else my build has at its disposal. Anyway, if I am able to I will – good or bad because forums like this are about improving our profession and helping one another be both better people and players imho. Thx

And aside note: I posted the build to be both looked at and to try. Please try them, and don’t judge them hastily because they don’t fit into the style you are used to playing. See for yourself and then offer some good feedback; something beneficial to us all – Thx for the post!

During off-season, I was playing condie mesmer taking null field, time warp and glamour trait. It is playable but far less effective than signet of illusion, moa and mental defender.

Regarding arcane thievery, I am sorry I don’t even want to try. I played that skill long time ago. It was pretty trash back then. It will only be worse just as Fay said. It needs drastic cd reduction(sth like 25 sec) to be relevant.

As for portal, it is a skill that is fundamentally different from pretty much all other skills in the game. The potential of the skill is just so high that you can always find room to improve yourself to get better out of it.