You can check out Ele forum and this site
http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki
Currently the meta build for ele is dagger/dagger which has probably the best sustain in the game. But that build does not rely on heavy bursty damage. However, it relies on the tankiness and gradually building up the damage pressure to wear opponents down.
A more bursty build for ele in PvP would be S/F fresh air. It’s also glassy so takes some practice to play well.
Thank you for this wonderful idea. I am sure will be looking forward to your video guide.
Yeah, exactly.
Just make sure people have to join random team and can’t quit and swap easily.
Yes. The trait unlocking system is definitely the worst that ever happened. It simply prevents fun. Good job pinpointing that out.
Just look at the scores of T2 NA this week and the week before PPK started. It’s for the better so I hope it stays.
Both show very close matchup among the three. I don’t tell any difference at all.
The current core to large scale fights are warriors, guardians, elementalists and necromancers. Warriors and guardians are the frontline who are tanky and support each other and they almost always need to move together with the commander.
Elementalists are important support class that provide combo fields for allies and some aoe control/dps. Necros are the main blackline dps and capable of corrupt the opponents’ frontline boons.
Mesmers and thieves are usually the given the gank roles as they can use their spike dps to down those backlines that are out of positions.
I also like s/t myself. As you said, it offers a better burst potential.
Staff, on the other hand, can keep a more consistent pressure with a decent autoattack and phantasm. Also, phase retreat gives mesmer much better mobility and chaos storm is an awesome skill in team fight.
I am not too sure about the halting strike and mental torment choice for s/t. I personally take mental torment. Since s/t is more of a burst weaponset, I pick the one that helps the burst more.
I find illusionary elasticity just makes gs skill 2 too good. It is our best burst skill with a reasonably low cool down. Illusionary Invigor only triggers when you are receiving non condition damage below 50%. So you have to be hit for it to trigger. For sure, it gives memser a lot more options. But I just find it a bit too risky when we are already below 50%. I guess I am not good enough. I am pretty sure many other more skilled mesmer players can utilize it well enough.
I agree that in PvP mesmer is a bit lackluster compared to all those op spec, But mesmer is definitely not WEAK 1vs1.
In dungeons, mesmer does struggle a bit to dish out high dps. But the strong support and utiliy from the class is often enough to win a spot in the team
Just checked the profession usage from 7 out of top8 teams(except for zero to hero) in the recent NA ESL.
9 engi, 8 ele, 5 warr, 4 thief, 4 necro, 2 ranger, 2 guard, 1 mes.
It seems that after all the QoL improvement of mesmer class in the Sept patch, the profession just gets ditched even more in current meta.
Since it takes Anet half a year to adjust profession balance, is it time for a new build to be theory crafted and tested for mesmers(perhaps condie shatter)? The traditional power shatter mesmer just does not seem to keep up with the need of majority of teams anymore.
I don’t agree.
As a new PvP player, I have been trying to play all those so-called meta builds for the past few weeks. Among them, I actually found mesmers and thieves hardest to play. These two happen to be the profession that has the most stealth skills.
Great job Celestial’s!
Hello frands! Vee Wee here, retired #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!
Both teams had the same amount of celestial amulets! Get good son!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
6/10 = celestial. Doesn’t that show a victory of this amulet?
Also, shatter mesmer does not look effective at all, which is considered one of the few viable zerker options.
It is a big nerf. But wait and see if the class will go out of meta.
Before patch,it is one of the best class in every game mode.
Once again, some mesmers angry about about mesmers getting a buff and calling for nerfing. These changes are good for PVE. I am tired of PVP’ers demanding all changes being geared toward PVP.
I wouldn’t care what you wanted if PVE was separated from PVP, but it isn’t. You need to accept that PVE’ers have a stake in this, also.
The thing is condition build is mostly good for 1v1 which is not even a game mode. I never find PU condition OP at all in PvP. You actually need some skill/brain to make it work or you will just be bad to your team. And no one uses that in high end PvP.
I am also tired of ppl complaining about a build OP in a non-existent game mode.
I suggest berserker’s. You can use them for both WvW roam/raid and casual fractal runs.
You can mix in rapid/knight/soldier trinkets if you want to get tankier or do more hybrid damage with condition.
If you want to use full condition sometime, you can still prepare a set of exotic rapid gear.
I think what makes this game shine is its fluid combat system.
The most important thing for me as a new player was to get a comfortable keybinding. Make sure you are comfortable with all the control before your exploration.
There lacks a lot of guidance for new player in this game. If you are a lazy person like me. you can look up some guides from profession forum. Also, it takes pretty long to unlock skills and traits so you may want to try out things in PvP preparation area.
Torment or not, I won’t use scepter anyway. It’s just awful.
The torment spam will allow PU mesmers to kill much faster and pressure much faster.
They won’t even need PU, let alone a brain to win fights.
This is only ur speculation. How much faster will the damage pressure comes out? Have u done a calculation or have you already tested it out. How does the new scepter clone do compare to the staff clone?
The current reality is if u don’t have a brain and play pu condition, you are essentially just a troll not being able to accomplish anything.
A mesmer won’t even need PU to faceroll everything. At least according to the recent helseth rant on it.
PU condition is already godly in 1v1. But not too many mesmer players play that because it contributes little in team fight, does poorly in conquest mode, and hard to kill people if they decide to just go away.
Not sure if the scepter AA torment will change that
I think you underestimate the buff to scepter. It’s going to apply torment on AAs. The AAs will generate clones that will stack even more torment. Right now, I need to disengage if I get 5 stacks and one or two other conditions put on me. Can you imagine what your condi bar will look like post patch if that mesmer change goes through?
It’s not just the scepter buff, it’s this buff plus illusionary elasticity to staff, makes condi builds crazy strong, and not in a good way as it will all be about being passive and letting the clones do the work.
But aren’t condition mesmers non-existent in high level PvP? Will this change actually make them viable?(Assume it’s a bad thing).
Or will this change just make condition mesmers super strong and frustrating to deal with in low level PvP just like, say, turret engis.
The best way is probably to make a leaping clone animation so that the opponent can react to that.
The only questionable change is the scepter auto attack. Let’s see how it unfolds.
Other changes are absolutely necessary QoL improvement of mesmer who basically sucks outside of WvW roaming(which is mostly for fun rather than bringing any usefulness).
They say they bug fix ileap and iwarden.
At least they tried, let’s see if it works out in the end.
Still think bug fixes on iWarden and iLeap are way more important than any of trait/skill changes.
1. Anet designs mesmer as a class that relies heavily on clones and phantasms.
2. For certain mesmer builds, e.g. shatter, clones are their main resource of doing damage and gain survivability. I hope you do notice that clones have very low health and do almost no damge themselves. If the clone generation speed is too slow, then other players can simply autoattack to destroy them, leaving mesmer with no other tricks to play.
I highly suggest u play a shatter mesmer yourself for at least 10 games and you should understand the class design a bit more.
I thought I heard China’s group was a full team like EU
As a Chinese, I can tell u that is not true.
Some of them are not even regarded as the best players in China. But they do somewhat represent the highest or close to the highest level of playing in China.
Something like:
Reduce the phantasm summoning cool down by 1 second everytime a clone/phantasm is killed.
the final strike is not changed, so the change is under 5%
Actually it’s not. Each of the hits before the final strike is taking a 5% nerf. At least that’s how I understood it when watching the vod on twitch.
So it’s more like a 35% damage nerf outside of the final hit. If what I said is true, and I believe it is until I’m told otherwise.
What math are you doing? Are you joking?
Count me in if the spots are not all filled yet.
Either Saturday or Sunday works for me.
pretty easy to kill, just go for the one that isn’t standing still auto attacking you.
By the time you find the right one, you’re downed.
The deception is just too strong in this game. Mesmer was the easiest class I played in PvP, simply because you can do what you want to, most opponents will just be distracted with your clones, spending the she fight trying to target the real you.Mesmers are a disease in PvP
Go play mesmer in solo queue and earn a respectable ranking. After that you can tell us how easy it is. Don’t drop random words without any proof.
Any class can work if you play the right builds well. Every class is represented by at least one player who can manage a 60%+ win rate over hundreds of games.
Would love to see more statistics to support this argument. Probably there is none at the moment though.
I think OP stuff kills fun in mostly some solo content, namely WvW solo roaming and sPvP.
Yeah, seeing four Engi on the other team…I would srsly consider quitting as well. It’s just not fun at all.
You should not use GS in dungeons.
In open world PvE, I’d recommend probably bloodlust and fire.
GS is not as good as sword/sword but not to the extent that ‘people should not use’
Nvidia always gives me tons of headache upgrading drivers.
I will never buy their card again.
I think the original post refers to the fact that an ‘unskilled’ player in any other profession can be rolled in pvp in 20 seconds…unless they are a Mesmer. Being a Mesmer guarantees the user extra time before a death regardless if they have skill or not.
I really hope mesmers don’t get any ‘fixes’ to get better. And yes I have a 80 level Mesmer and have refused to play him in pvp after I saw how you can actually trick people. That is not like any other class, even a stealth class like a thief has serious cons to stealth. After a while I felt like such a loser to beat people with a Mesmer just because they couldn’t click there mouse on me. There is no need to use shatter skills, most just use each illusion once they take damage, no need to shatter them when u wont take any damage
I don’t think a serious mesmer player chooses to play the profession simply because they can troll a newbie with less than 10 pvp games played. This only happens to someone like you who does not like the profession mechanics and don’t take the character seriously anyway.
For anyone has some experience in PvP, there should be no trouble identifying the real mesmer. Also, no mesmer will actually try to emulate his clones in a competitive game. You can also hide and auto attack and summon illusions all game you want without dying, but that just contributes close to nothing to the team and no one will like you as a teammate.
Sorry for not clarifying. This is strictly spvp.
Also, Neko you misunderstand, I am including both meta such as cele eles or shatter mesmer and non meta builds such as aoe phantasm/clone death builds or zerker eles. It would be offensive or unfair to players who play do only meta builds to not include them. Basically, whichever build seems better is being mentioned for the various boons and stealth sorry for the misunderstanding.I would enjoy hearing why so many players disagree so that other players and I can identify what the real issue is as we are all still learning.
I think to talk about balance, you have to focus on meta builds. They are mostly used for high level play for reasons instead of people just randomly picking one as meta.
If the attention is too spread out to all levels of play, it will be impossible to balance.
I think it should be sometime between late Sept and early Oct.
1. This will never happen. GS auto attack is pretty good already with sigil of air and fire.
2. Some tweaks on GS#3 are definitely welcome as it’s one of most underwhelmed skills.
3. Would love to see that. But it will probably take ages for us to see addition of new skills/weapons for professions.
about 100g per piece? so 12 × 100 = 1200g for complete armor set + accessories… and eternity is around 4800g…
So you can get the most super uber hardcore in the whole game with 6000g?
hmm with the current gem -> gold ratio… its around 840 dollar? woah… cheaper than I thought
I think even less than that. Some ascended gear are cheaper than 100g. Heavy ascended also cheaper than light ascended. Ascended accessories can be obtained more easily by laurel, guild commendations and fractals.
First, get a set of rare gears off TP, shouldn’t cost u a lot.
Exotic weapons: Easiest way is to get them through PvP. You need to unlock the reward track by competing dungeon story mode first.
Exotic armor: Easiest way is to get from WvW vendor. But there is a downside that you can’t salvage those from WvW or karma vendors which means you shouldn’t put any pricey runes in those armors. Alternatively, you can do dungeons to earn armors. Just as ppl suggest, start from Citadel of Flames.
Trinkets: Get the ascended Amulet from WvW laurel vendor. For ascended rings, the best way is to get by doing FOTM. If you don’t like FOTM, WvW laurel vendor is also okay choice. For accessory, join a Guild that does guild missions. You can get ascended accessory with guild commendations.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2bw0uz/all_the_builds_from_eu_tol_qualifier_2/
4 Mesmers
1 RangerMesmers are moaning for no reason.
Also your data is only based on one bracket from EU. There are 3 other brackets and what about NA?
Check out the NA Q2 matches, I saw 3 rangers and 1 mesmer.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2bw0uz/all_the_builds_from_eu_tol_qualifier_2/
4 Mesmers
1 RangerMesmers are moaning for no reason.
Hope not to offend anyone, but I get the feeling if Helseth had rolled ranger, there would be 5 rangers, 0 Mesmers. I’m not part of the who is worst off debate, both rangers and mesmers need some love.
Pretty much that. The team with Helseth won in EU so that had a lot of impact.
If you switch your focus to NA, you will barely see any mesmers as there was no success in last ToL from mesmers.
It’s different for ranger and mesmer.
They can simply buff ranger by some number changes, but those obnoxious bugs tha mesmers suffer cannot be easily fixed. In that sense, mesmers do need even more attention than rangers.
Also, you can try play a shatter mesmer in PvP and tell me how dominate you can be in any 1v1 or 1vX situation. It’s not as easy as it looks to u to play a mesmer.
Mesmers are actually arguably UP in PvP.
Remember PvP is more about capture points, not kill people 1v1. The good 1v1 mesmer builds usually do very poorly in team fight. The tanky PU condition mesmer is not good choice to either defend or capture a point.
Play a mesmer yourself, you will understand better.
Good players, the ones who know the fight will turn up in sparkfly fen one hour before the fight starts.
If you turn up with like ten minutes to go you will be on a server with the slackers.
The key is still to turn up early.
I did not know this, so it is best to turn up early and get in with the dedicated otherwise you will end up in an overflow mega server with people who are usually not good? Is that the trend for this fight.
I might have to try this on the next spawn.
Hello,
I would like to join as a student. I am new to all dungeon paths except for AC1,3 and really want to learn to do them.
Thank Iris and all the mentors to offer the useful help for newbies.
The first thing I did when playing this game is to find the best keybindings.
Since it’s an action-oriented game, it is important to make your fingers comfortable.
I agree with the OP. The reward should be more towards better equip and item drops rather than meaningless gold reward.
A good way to get some initial gear is to fight the four low-level world bosses, namely shadow behemoth, fire elemental, jungle wurm and frozen maw. Participate in the whole chain of dynamic events for those bosses, so you can also earn experience and karma(purple triangle you were mentioning).
In the meantime, you can try to look up some leveling build on websites to start with. After getting a bit more comfortable, you can then start experimenting things yourself.
Also, don’t be afraid of joining PvP and WvW as well. They provide something different from regular PvE content and could be more attractive to you. They also give you similar amount of loot compared to PvE.