Guild Wars 2

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

I’m still angry about that whole thing. Some asians didn’t want it, so what?
Cantha is part of the lore wether they want it or not.

When you’re using other people’s cultures you have to respect them. It doesn’t matter if it was already an established part of the lore, if it was going to offend a couple of Asian cultures because it blended them (there are a lot of Asian cultures that are quite hostile towards one another) then it makes sense to remove it until such a time that you can revise it so that it isn’t offensive.

Your attitude is racist. You don’t realise it, but it is. You don’t just get to do whatever you want with other people’s cultural heritage. It holds meaning for them and to abuse that meaning is to enact violence against their culture.

It’s the exact same reason that with the initial release of GW Faction Arenanet removed the Panda as a tameable pet because in China it is illegal to depict a Panda being killed. They were added back into the game when GW ceased operation in all Asian territories. GW2 has been released in China, so like it or not they have to consider what is appropriate and isn’t appropriate for their audience, just the same as they have to consider what is and is not appropriate for an American audience, a British Audience, French, German, Australian, New Zealand, etc.

I didn’t notice anything weird about her performance. I wonder if it’s more down to the writers not writing the lines in a convincingly Zojja way?

Zaxares.5419:

I actually think they’re ALL Turai Ossa. Each Ghostly Hero is Turai Ossa from a different “World” (i.e. Blackgate or Tarnished Coast or Kaineng.) They’re basically all the same guy from alternate realities competing to be the one admitted into the Hall of Heroes.

Be careful, I think there are a lot of people who wouldn’t realise that you’re half joking (you’re joking right :S?)

I don’t think anyone ever had any doubt that this was the purpose of the three lanes. A lot of people thought that the second they saw them when the map was released…

Make sure you have your graphics animations turned to medium or high in the settings. I have a feeling that setting animations to low would get rid of the puff of smoke that lets you know when the line of rocks is coming. (The smoke puffs are similar to other animations that low settings get rid of).

Or just get a mesmer to make a portal so you can stand outside of the circle during the fight while your party handles it and you get the achievement. That’s what I did (my team cycled who got to be ported out and who stayed in a couple times so we could all get the achievs)

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Sylvari and the Pale Tree don’t even look like Mordrem. Yet they were intended to be dragon minions from the beginning? If this was so, wouldn’t Mordrem have looked like sylvari? Wouldn’t the Pale Tree look like a Mordrem tree? Remember: the one and only means of removing corruption does not change the physical appearance – it just gives free will.

Pale Tree and Sylvari have flowers…. A couple of of Modrem have flowers…

Alot of Mordrem have similar hides to Sylvari Hounds.

Nightmare Hounds are clearly dehydrated compared to the Sylvari Hounds which is likely because of being abused by the Nightmare Court.

The color loss isn’t from the corruption but more likely because of what’s required to free it from the Pale Tree’s control: abuse which of course includes starving it of nutrients.

A well fed and watered Nightmare Hound would look just like a Sylvari Hound.

Where on earth did you pull that from. There has never been anything to suggest that Sylvari colour changes are due to hydration. Nightmare hounds look like that because they’ve been abused and their appearance changes to reflect their internal moods. We can far more safely assume that because we know it to be the same with actual Sylvari. Going through something emotional or physical can cause their outer appearance to change. It has nothing to do with how hydrated they are.

Also saying ‘they both are plants/have leaves/ have flowers’ does not mean they look adequately similar enough. A flame elemental is made of fire and yet there’s no link between them and Primordius… The point is that the Sylvari colouration and overall design doesn’t match up at all with any designs that we’ve seen used for Mordremoth’s minions. The only similarity is that they are plant based beings.

Astral Projections.7320:

I bet if aliens came to earth, some people would expect the female members to wear dresses and be cute.

Charr and Asuran are alien, non human species and in Tyrian lore, neither value dressing to display their “femininity”.

Imo it was a mistake for ANet to make dresses for either species as it doesn’t fit the lore.

But it still makes no sense for them to wear clothes that adhere to a human definition of “masculinity” either. If someone is to be unisex then it has to be designed that way, this is not an instance of this.

Moldur.6275:

goes into the topic
introduces Druid – (ritualist and dervish fusion) – a spirit warrior
leaves

But Druids already exist in lore. You can’t make a profession based on a group of humans who left society and transcended into spiritual beings that were connected to the jungle.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Broken link.

Besides, I see no toys here:

Those trademarks include the possibility of toys/merchandise that fall under the HoT trademark (sort of part of the point in getting something trademarked). There is no separate trademark just for them.

Agreed. Unisex should not = male… Mens clothing is not any more unisex than womens clothing.

Morsus.5106:

I’m hoping that it’s a standalone expansion that you buy in-store, not a digital expansion

I’d still like the option of being able to buy it digitally though, like with the GW2 release. I live in New Zealand and video games usually get a ridiculous mark up in price here or take a couple of months to hit our shelves. if I can buy it directly from Arenanet like I did with GW2 then it works out much cheaper.

lordkrall.7241:

But wasn’t it common knowledge (at least between those that had to do with the Dragons) that there were six of them?
It was quite clearly known by the Asura, even that it was tied to plats. So why is it so far fetched to assume others knew as well?

As for the Sylvari themselves, that could rather easily be explained by the Dream. They simply come into the world with the knowledge of the Jungle Dragon (although not with ALL knowledge, clearly), either by someone having learned of it earlier, or by it being part of the “original” Dream.

But it wasn’t common knowledge that there were six dragons or that there was a plant dragon. The Inquest knew, but other than information brought up in Season 1 & 2 we have no mention of the possibility of a 6th or plant dragon outside of CoE having a zone green and subject Alpha having skills with “Modremoth” in the name. If it was common knowledge for all Sylvari there would have been a lot more questioning going on and the Pale Tree would have known a lot more than she ever shared with us. And she wouldn’t actually have had to tell us the things that she did tell us because we would have all known there was a plant dragon.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

As much as I would prefer to see the Court remain independent, I will point out that during that sequence we also saw a mordrem troll fighting on their side. As for how they’re vulnerable… assuming, for the moment, that nightmare isn’t inherently Mordremoth corruption, we also see sylvari turn in large numbers on the airship fleet. Unless there just conveniently happens to be a huge proportion of Soundless among Pact sylvari, that would mean that the Dream is no longer guaranteed protection.

Or that being so close to Mordremoth, which the Pact must have been hence the bombing and the point of their attack, makes Sylvari far far more susceptible to the point at which the Dream is no longer an adequate protection?

BrunoBRS.5178:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

BrunoBRS.5178:

returns from lurking

i’ve seen someone point it out before, but no one here seems to be reaching that conclusion, but what if the seeds Ronan found were already cleansed by the same ritual the Forgotten used on glint? i mean, look where they were found. we might not have any character saying out loud “this is Ronan’s cave” (that i recall), but the game hints pretty heavily that this Forgotten cave is where the seeds were (again, no hard, conclusive evidence, but neither did the “sylvari minions” theory).

it sure makes more sense than “love and nurturing alone purified it”.

But Ronan does make reference to there being monstrous plants or some such like in the cave that he stole the seed from. I’m not so sure that makes sense if it is the Forgotten cave? Also how would Ronan have gotten into a cave that needed either a Forgotten Seal or divine magic to open it?

i’ll be honest, i don’t know how the plant creatures fit into it. maybe they were there to keep mordrem from retaking/destroying the seeds. as for how he got inside it, well, the same way wynne and caithe did several years later, with that forgotten seal. hell, the one wynne has is probably traced back to ronan. now where ronan found it, i don’t know. maybe it was laying around.

i do think that cave has that “repellant” effect on low-rank mordrems because a forgotten ritual took place in it. a lot of the text in the mission describes that the whole place is filled with “ancient, pure magic”. well the forgotten are an ancient race that had figured out a purifying ritual, so it stands to reason that a ritual took place in there, and it’s obviously not glint’s.

That’s entirely possible. I personally had always assumed that the monstrous plants Ronan encountered protecting the seed were actually Sylvari (who would have cause to be alarmed at someone trying to steal a seed that would produce more of them). So perhaps the Forgotten freed some Sylvari who then tried to hide the seeds to keep them away from Mordremoth’s corruption?

I’ve also wondered if the “healing properties” of the Maguuma water could have something to do with it (water which for the most part is no longer there, or maybe the water had healing properties because Mordremoths magic was leeching into it…. Ok thought for another day perhaps :S)

Microsoft Xp.9438:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Wrong ghostly hero.

The one’s in PvP were just unnamed ghosts that happened to be heroes.

The one we meet in GW2 is the ghost of Turai Ossa, who we encounter in the Crystal Desert in GW1, not in any PvP maps.

Sorry :P

Well in GW1 when the game first started in order to enter into pvp area on a pve character you would enter behind crystal desert into an area known as tomb of the primeval king..? Coincidence maybe? Hope so?

It’s not a coincidence. The Ghostly Heroes in the tomb of the primeval kings are just that, they’re ghostly heroes. We don’t know their names.

But the Ghostly Hero we meet at Augury Rock is Turai Ossa, and the Ghostly Hero we meet in GW2 is also Turai Ossa.

I’ll say it again. The Ghostly Heroes that you meet in PvP are just the unnamed ghosts of dead heroes. The Ghostly Hero we meet in GW2 is an echo of the ghost of Turai Ossa, who is the Ghostly Hero in the Dunes of Despair and Augury Rock missions.

There is absolutely nothing about this to suggest that there is going to be a GW1 style PvP match introduced.

perilisk.1874:

Why does everyone know about the Jungle Dragon, such that Wynne can just toss The Terrible Truth About Sylvari out there matter of factly with no further explanation (“Caithe, we were created to be the minions of the flying spaghetti dragon!” “Noooo—- wait, what? Did you just make that up?”), even though no one mentions that there is such a thing until LS season 2? Sure, Caithe is a dedicated Dragon-hunter, so if anyone would know, she would, but it’s still a little weird.

Don’t actually think about the GW lore or writing like history, think about it more like the infamous Book from Anathem (basically, in a society of secluded monastic scientists and mathematicians, one of their punishments was transcribing and learning a book that, depending on the degree of offense, was inane, random, or subtly inconsistent and illogical in ways designed to drive the penitent crazy in trying to systematize it).

You’re absolutely right. It would be plausible that Wynne would know about Mordremoth since she has to have learnt the ‘truth’ somehow. But why does Caithe know? And if Caithe knows then how was it not rather common knowledge for Sylvari, and for the rest of the world, far before the story of GW2 starts. What a mess.

Andred.1087:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

He’s avoiding calling them Gods because the Humans are the only ones who consider them to be gods. Also because Arenanet is trying to distance themselves from the original lore of GW1.

This is well-known. I’m talking about why the humans are the only ones who consider them gods. Also, there’s no reason he couldn’t refer to them as “gods” anyway, regardless of how he views them, since he was talking about them as the human gods.

Anyway I think the discussion has run its course.

Because the human gods specifically aided the humans and not the other races of Tyria. No Norn, Asura, Charr, or Sylvari has ever met the gods (to our knowledge) and so they have no reason to think of them as such. That’s pretty well established at this point. The Sylvari are too new to the world to have any experience of the gods, the Charr hate the gods for aiding the humans and also they’re very wary of ‘god’ beings because the flame legion oppressed them and said that the Titans were gods (which they weren’t), the Norn believe in the spirits of the wild, and the asura believe in the eternal alchemy. So the humans are the only ones who think of them as gods because they have a history of doing so and direct interactions with the gods.

It’s not a guarantee. When you register a trademark it makes sense to set it up for that kind of thing, but it doesn’t mean they will release toys. Though I do hope they will, I want a Sylvari figure.

Vrede.8942:

‘However, as FlamingFoxx said, while it makes that both Scarlet and Caithe know about the relationship between Modremoth and the Sylvari, it makes a lot less sense that Scarlet knows that Caithe knows about it’

That is exactly what I would like to see answered.

And I don’t think we will see it answered because… Shock horror, they did not consider how implausible that is.

draxynnic.3719:

A distinction has to be drawn here between something being an important part of the world which is naturally going to have effects on everything, and everything coming down to one thing.

Take Prophecies, for instance. Abaddon’s influence is (retroactively) felt through the entire campaign. However, there are still other stories being told. The charr would still have been fighting Ascalon without the aid of the Searing Cauldrons, and it’s quite likely they could have at least reclaimed much of the land north of the Wall without Abaddon’s help. The dwarf civil war appears unconnected to Abaddon. The mursaat were responding to a threat they saw that was linked to Abaddon, but they had their own agenda in responding to it, and their methods put them in conflict with the players. And we didn’t even know who Abaddon was, let alone his involvement, until a year and a half later.

In the case of recent GW2 releases, though… I think it is reasonable to say that the dragons have been taking over the story. Pretty much everything lately has been either working against Mordremoth, or dealing with something that is hindering efforts to work against Mordremoth.

Still… we’ll see what happens at and after PAX South.

Ronin.7381:

Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if those who were most outspoken against the Sylvari-Minion theory happened to blame Anet for falling under the influence of those who supported the theory. There were plenty of questions since Day 1, hell even during beta as information was slowly unearthed. The similarities in the Sylvari anatomy and that of Mordremoth were too… seemingly… intertwined.

As a person who liked the theory and supported it, though I still had questions myself, I would like to think this was planned since the beginning but details were so sparse that drawing connections then were like picking nails from a haystack.

Angel’s said that this was something that was planned from the start. While some may be willing to accuse ArenaNet of lying to hide the source of their ideas, I’m not inclined to go down that path.

What really annoyed me there was that so many of the theory’s supporters were treating it as if it was confirmed fact, when the evidence for it didn’t bear up very well under scrutiny. I remember when the theory of sylvari being dragon minions first came up, and the evidence supporting that has progressively been debunked as we learned new things. It has turned out to be correct (although not in the form it was originally presented) but more out of coincidence than anything else.

It’d be kinda like if someone had said the Moon must be colder than the Sun because the Moon is white and white things (like snow) are cold, and the Sun is yellow and that yellow things (like fire) are hot. While the Moon is indeed cooler than the Sun, the argument is fallacious, particularly when it can be demonstrated that something white can often be hotter than something yellow.

Most of the evidence that I would actually consider credible didn’t appear until after the start of 2014, by which point most of the theories supporters were not coming into it because of those hints, but because of the arguments made back in 2012 that were logical at the time but had since been debunked.

This explains it far more eloquently than I am capable of doing. Thanks.

BrunoBRS.5178:

returns from lurking

i’ve seen someone point it out before, but no one here seems to be reaching that conclusion, but what if the seeds Ronan found were already cleansed by the same ritual the Forgotten used on glint? i mean, look where they were found. we might not have any character saying out loud “this is Ronan’s cave” (that i recall), but the game hints pretty heavily that this Forgotten cave is where the seeds were (again, no hard, conclusive evidence, but neither did the “sylvari minions” theory).

it sure makes more sense than “love and nurturing alone purified it”.

But Ronan does make reference to there being monstrous plants or some such like in the cave that he stole the seed from. I’m not so sure that makes sense if it is the Forgotten cave? Also how would Ronan have gotten into a cave that needed either a Forgotten Seal or divine magic to open it?

Lazarus the Dire was the last known Mursaat and we almost completely destroyed him. It’s possible that it is him and as a result of what we did his body has undergone some… changes. Maybe?

He’s avoiding calling them Gods because the Humans are the only ones who consider them to be gods. Also because Arenanet is trying to distance themselves from the original lore of GW1.

I can state with 100% certainty that it is not a Margonite. The Margonites were once human followers of Abaddon. In the realm of Torment where he was imprisoned they become demonic entities. We killed all of them when we killed Abaddon. Margonites don’t exist anymore.

As other’s have pointed out, the druids became spirits and we did actually meet some druid spirits in Guild Wars 1. So you can safely cross that off your list.

The thing is either a Mursaat or a Seer. There’s not really any question about that.

dekou.6012:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Wrong ghostly hero.

The one’s in PvP were just unnamed ghosts that happened to be heroes.

The one we meet in GW2 is the ghost of Turai Ossa, who we encounter in the Crystal Desert in GW1, not in any PvP maps.

Sorry :P

You also fight an enemy named “Ghostly Hero” in that mission. It’s clearly a nod to HA and Dunes of Despair.

It’s not a nod to HA at all. The Ghostly Hero in HA is a different character, they just use the name Ghostly Hero as a generic marker because it isn’t important to the lore.

Dune of Despair is relevant because you accompany Turai Ossa, who is called the Ghostly Hero, to reclaim his throne from the other ghost. It’s not a ‘nod’ to anything. We were experiencing a mock ascension ritual, the same ritual our GW1 characters went through. It’s overt, rather than a nod.

Ele’s with weapon swap sounds horrible. I already have enough skills to manage…

Also don’t dare give warriors three weapons, You guys are already overpowered.

Merus.9475:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

A Massive Headache.1879:

and I’ll say it again. sylvari being dragon minions is incredibly stupid, and I’m kind of surprised mccoys work was taken seriously.

Your comment is going to get removed, but before that happens. I agree. As far as compelling plot ideas go, this is not one.

Piece of advice to the writers. Not everything needs to revolve around the dragons. Your world begins to look very two dimensional when almost every single piece of lore we have in game in some ways ties back to the elder dragons (The Mursaat, The Seers, The Dwarves, Scarlet, The Gods…). We get that they are the big bad and are super important, but too much of one thing gets very old. You’re also tampering with lore that a lot of people love and making it seem rather trivial because you know what ‘dragons did it’.

I’m not aware of any ties between the Mursaat, the Seers and the Elder Dragons, but since the start of the series there’s been these six very clear and obvious domains that don’t appear to mix or cross over nearly as much as they should do, especially seeing as they don’t correspond at all to elemental planes. There is something about Tyria where these six domains are fundamental forces. It looks like that’s how the Antikythera is built, which means that these forces would end up expressing themselves over and over again in different contexts. The human gods aren’t “tied” to the Elder Dragons so much as the human gods will naturally slot into each domain, just like the dragons. That’s how Tyria is.

The trick is telling interesting stories in and around the existing world, and it’s useful that the Elder Dragons are characterised more like natural disasters or fundamental forces than as characters with motivations. The villains of the show are always going to have their reasons for doing things, and those reasons probably should be coming from the world as it exists. In Tyria, the Elder Dragons are a big deal – in the same way, in the real world 9/11 casts a very long shadow that darkens a lot of things you’d think would be irrelevant.

The Mursaat and Seers were part of the original group of races who fought against the Elder Dragons. The Mursaat phasing out of Tyria to avoid the dragons then acts as a plot point for why the other races dislike them and solidifies them as bad guys etc.

Also please don’t bring 9/11 into this. yes it was an absolutely horrific event but you perhaps overestimate how much of an impact it has outside of the US (which is not to say that it does not have an impact, but it’s in no way comparable to Dragons that are threatening to destroy an entire globe in a fictional universe).

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

The Karka were driven to the surface by the deep sea dragon. <- Dragons.

First, not really proven but just supposed at. It could be them looking for a good volcanic chamber to nest in and Southsun was unoccupied.

Second, still doesn’t link “Secret of Southsun” (Canach’s guerilla warfare against the Consortium) or the Consortium’s first whole effort to dragons.

And lastly – the dragons are a nonentity even if we assume it was Bubbles who pressured them out and Zhaitan’s shift of the seascape from raising Orr gave them a nice nesting ground. they may set the stage but it’s not about them. That’s where I have a problem with “everything is about the dragons”. It’s really not – they may be one of the reasons things happen, but just having an effect from being there doesn’t make the story about them.

That’s exactly like saying “Star Wars: A New Hope” is about Palpatine since if he didn’t exist the story wouldn’t. Or “Star Trek 3/4” is about Khan, because if he hadn’t existed in the second film then the other two movies wouldn’t exist.

There’s “being about it” and “being part of the world”. There’s a distinction.

The Inquest have a backstory and a purpose, but we haven’t had side stories that revolve around them in any capacity other than their relation to research on draconic energies. (in the LS).

Well there’s how they pretty much show up to bully young budding inventors into giving up their research in the early asura personal story.

What O_o. It was proven that that was why the Karka were coming up. We had dialogue with Quaggan and Zommoros that said so.

As I have said a couple of times. It’s not the personal story that has this issue. The PS was fine and somewhat balanced. It’s the living story that has this issue. I also said that not absolutely everything was about the dragons, but the predominant moments have been tied to the dragons, with some parts that have acted as set up for further dragon related things.

Jaken.6801:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Jaken.6801:

The journals said only that she was talking with someone. We have no conclusive answer who it was.

Guild Wars has enough beings who are capable to do so.

However, Mordremoth is of course the obvious one, so yeah. He is the most likely candidate.

We know that is was Mordremoth. That’s the entire point behind her drill being used to wake him up. Anything else would make zero sense at all.

Since Scarlet we’ve even watched first hand the same thing that happened to her happen to another Sylvari. We know that it was him beyond any reasonable doubt.

Without any official confirmation I say no.
The devs haven`t said anything, even though they had a lot of oportunities and ingame there is also no conclusive proof for it.

Yes, Mordremoth makes sense. However still not confirmed.
Might I remind you on the writers stance: “If it`s not ingame, it can still be changed”

It is in game. The dev’s don’t make outright statements about 90% of things. Because it is in game, there is no need to make a comment about it. It is fact.

“Pale Tree: Yes. In the past, my children have been immune. But Mordremoth’s corruption is powerful, and just as Zhaitan created the undead from so many creatures, so Mordremoth’s corruption can change you.

PC: Scarlet?

Pale Tree: I believe she opened herself to it when she let down the wall of her mind. Mordremoth’s corruption seeps in through the cracks in our willpower. Do not follow in her footsteps."

@Ronin, you could be absolutely right. It’s entirely possible that it was an act of desperation and she thought we would be able to kill Mordremoth for her if she woke him early. But that doesn’t change the fact that we know he was exerting, or at least trying to exert, influence over her.

Dbenji.9230:

I think it’s just laziness / lack of design from developers.

It’s not laziness. They had to actively make a new model with a different hair for the new releases. If they were being lazy they would have just used her regular model and she would have looked exactly the same as she always has…

Jaken.6801:

The journals said only that she was talking with someone. We have no conclusive answer who it was.

Guild Wars has enough beings who are capable to do so.

However, Mordremoth is of course the obvious one, so yeah. He is the most likely candidate.

We know that is was Mordremoth. That’s the entire point behind her drill being used to wake him up. Anything else would make zero sense at all.

Since Scarlet we’ve even watched first hand the same thing that happened to her happen to another Sylvari. We know that it was him beyond any reasonable doubt.

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

I would not mind increasing the level cap but only if the exotic and ascended weapons that are currently at level 80 get bumped to that particular level. Otherwise, if new gear needs to be made, then it will be bad. Really bad…

Overall I think it would be best if they did not increase the level cap at all.

At which point there’s no point increasing the level cap. But I agree, that would be the only thing that would make it acceptable. But it’s completely unnecessary. Vertical progression is not needed and it only enrages large portions of the player base and pushes end goals further away from new players, which is not what Anet wants at all.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

ElysianEternity.6215:

@Tobias Trueflight
Every little other thing as in every little other side-story linking to them.

You’re going to need to help me as to how the Southsun Cove events linked to dragons. Or how the Whispers plotline where you have to rescue Demmi Beetlestone for her knowledge of what her father is doing connects to dragons.

Sure, you can go ahead and say “I’m sure it will later down the line” but that’s easily refuted by going “I’m sure it won’t later down the line” due to having exactly the same weight behind it. Heck, Demmi is completely forgotten by now . . .

The Inquest doesn’t have a side-story.

Yes they do. They’re trying to subvert, or keep subverted, Rata Sum’s Arcane Council so they can pretty much do whatever they want and nobody’s got clout to put a stop to it. Not even Zojja.

The Karka were driven to the surface by the deep sea dragon. <- Dragons.

The Inquest have a backstory and a purpose, but we haven’t had side stories that revolve around them in any capacity other than their relation to research on draconic energies. (in the LS).

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

People refuting arguments with actual evidence is not ‘bullying’.

. . . wait, wait, which side are we talking about here? The side who claim evidence, or the side asking for evidence for the claims?

Not that it matters, in the long run, the point’s long buried. But if going “you’re going to need to prove that, chief” is bullying? Well crap, I should have someone shoot me in the back of the head for being a chronic bully.

That’s not at all what I’m saying. It was a response to someone calling people bullies for being against theories. But if someone can present evidence for their opinion/viewpoint then that’s simply all they’re doing, presenting evidence. It’s not bullying. The only situation where it would be bullying is shutting people’s theories down (emphasis on shutting down, rather than simply disagreeing which is fine) when you have no evidence to back up your own or disprove theirs.

Jaken.6801:

So far we have no real explanation for any of it.

We can`t even really say it was Mordremoth behind Scarlet, because we only have assumtions and no real ingame conclusive prove.

We do have proof that Mordremoth was influencing Scarlet in some way. In the form of her journals, the fact that we also went into Omadd’s machine, and from the Pale Tree.

The only issue I can see with this is that there will be builds where there are a lot of cooldowns that would be displaying. I do think it’s a good idea though. Even if it forces me to remember that there are so many confusing things going on at once

azizul.8469:

whatever they do, i hope no companion/hero system will be introduced…. they are bad in terms of social aspect of the game….

They most likely won’t do that. It was a feature they were talking about before GW2 was released initially, and it was scrapped. So they’ve most likely completely gotten rid of the idea.

ElysianEternity.6215:

Bobby Stein confirmed that the thing with Rhiannoc in Seeds of Truth was a bug. Bug in the sense of lore inconsistency that slipped past QA.

So yeah, he’s dead already in the portion of Caithe’s past we explore.

What does seem to be a retcon however is Wynne being the first nightborn.

We’ve got Trahearne who was the first Sylvari ever and is a Nightborn and Malomedies who is the luminary of the night cycle and thus often disputed to be either the second night bloom or the first since there’s been some confusion about Trahearne and him being the first.

And now we’ve got Caithe claiming that Wynne was the first one and that the secret was revealed to her because nightblooms and secrets and her being the first.

Anet, untangle me this mess plz.

Wow. that is a mess :S
Maybe Anet hate Trahearne as much kitten many players seem to and forgot about him entirely.

To expand on what lordkrall is saying. Caithe’s secret is that the Sylvari are minions of Mordremoth. Scarlet knew that because she had felt mordremoth’s influence.

Though I don’t think it’s very clear how Scarlet knew that Caithe knew that.

Wrong ghostly hero.

The one’s in PvP were just unnamed ghosts that happened to be heroes.

The one we meet in GW2 is the ghost of Turai Ossa, who we encounter in the Crystal Desert in GW1, not in any PvP maps.

Sorry :P

Vukorep.3081:

how did they buy the game in the first place if they dont have access to credit cards….?

currently 100gems is around 14-17 gold (depending on the hour) i can hardly believe making 100 gems be around 30 gold a win for everyone.

Again, im well aware of the conviniences that having such item in the gem store can be, but it wont be without a massive influence on gold->gem conversion rates which will never go back to “normal”, and can only go higher

Because the game was sold in stores and other online retailers who allow direct bank transfers…

The number of players who would buy it off the gem store without purchasing gems via credit card would be quite low anyway. So you don’t have anything to worry about…

Belenwyn.8674:

It will not be a traditional expansion. It will be an episodic expansion mainly based on the LW concept. Since this expansion concept is very important for Arenanet and they want to promote it intensively they registered the logo and the title for merchandising. At the beginning “Heart of the Thorns” will monetized via gem store. There will be heavy discounts for people logging in at the right time. After everything is released Arenanet will sell boxes where all features are bundled. There will also be collector’s editions with additional perks.

Don’t write as if what you are stating is fact. We have no idea how they are going to do it, and that is a fact.

Guys, I seriously don’t think the OP had a problem with the video being shown in game, they had a problem with the PAX announcement at the end of the video.

Suburbian.1023:

I Think i see a Margonite at 00:29!

The Margonites are all dead. It’s not a Margonite. It’s either a Mursaat or a Seer.

Urosh Uchiha.9732:

Those are the new fashion wings. The old black feather ones are so 250 years ago.

:P If they are Mursaat then I hope this is the explanation we get in game.

“When he died, all living sylvari felt it, Caithe describing it as “like a part of the Dream was torn away” while the Pale Tree describes it as “the sun dimmed, and the Dream wept.” "

If Riannoc’s death was that impactful then Wynne’s surely would have been just the same. The writers screwed up. There’s no way around that and it’s quite pathetic.

MailMail.6534:

Wow, some egos in this thread need a nerf. That meltdown was a great read!!

I honestly loved the reveal. Despite some people theorizing this outcome, the ferociousness of its detractors actually helped to make this a surprise to me despite it making sense all a long. I guess I should be thanking those bullies for shutting down productive conversation.

People refuting arguments with actual evidence is not ‘bullying’.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

ElysianEternity.6215:

I’ll be blunt and assume you’re not a writer. Or maybe just a novice hobby one. Because it’s rather clear what the advice was about.

There’s a HUGE difference about ‘centered around dragon’s and taking every little thing in the game and say ‘gasp! Dragons did it/relate to it!’

Every little thing in the game isn’t related to dragons. The Inquest, the Flame Legion, the Foefire, the Mist War, the Krytan Political Situation? None of that goes back to the dragons and only to the dragons. And they’re all pretty darn fine threads of work too.

. . . what happened here is a case of “we got what we asked for”. We asked for more focus on the dragons we were supposed to be fighting after LS1 wrapped. Maybe even a bit before when people were highly bored with “Scarlet did it”. Guess whaaaaaaat? Now we got Mordremoth going out and being active.

Some asked for some insight into what happened to Ceara to make Scarlet so bonkers-nuts. Hey, guess what? Now we see what happened, and have an idea of it being a form of dragon corruption like the one Seraph had happen to him . . .

Don’t hastily push it on ANet – players asked for it and we got it. I wish the segments of the journal were a bit thicker and not so . . . thin . . . but it’s written and working better than LS1 was so far.

Narrative design by committee is not a good idea. Ever. If they were confident that the story they were writing was compelling and interesting, then they wouldn’t need to pander to their audience complaining that they aren’t doing x or revealing enough about x. The fact that people have had to complain about these things so much is itself problematic, but if they’ve based any of their story decisions around what their audience is asking for, rather than what is relevant to the story, then that sort of suggests that they aren’t very competent at telling a compelling story.

“The Inquest, the Flame Legion, the Foefire, the Mist War, the Krytan Political Situation? None of that goes back to the dragons and only to the dragons. And they’re all pretty darn fine threads of work too. "

It’s not the original storyline or content that is at issue here. It’s everything from Season 1 or the living story onwards. The initial game release did a really good job of presenting a compelling world that did not revolve around the dragons. We could feel the impact of the dragons encroaching on the world, and they were certainly a presence, but there were a lot of story steps that focused on things outside of that.

The issue is that a lot of the larger story releases from the living story have revolved around the dragons, setting things up for the dragons, and taking original lore from GW1 and making it clear to the players that that to was really about the dragons. I’m not saying they’ve done it with everything. But they’ve done it with a significant number of things. Enough for it to be noticeable, and enough for their world to no longer feel like it has any ability to stand on its own outside of their dragon-centric storyline.

It’s bad storytelling, no matter how you spin it.

I have some confidence that HoT is actually going to be MARKEDLY better than the living story, because the people who have been working on it are most likely not the same writers who have been doing the living story.

Tormentor.2508:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

It didn’t have wings though :S

If you look carefully, I think it can be seen long black feathers on its back. Maybe it was just me, or my own hype seeing/imagining that

They don’t look at all like the Mursaat feathers to me. I guess time will tell though!

Vix.6730:

Liz.1497:

woah, really? Everyone I know and talked to (and this seems to be the general consensus on the forums as well) seems to be incredibly excited and happy about the announcement. I mean clearly you’re entitled to your own opinion, but I’d be surprised if there are a lot of people out there that share it.

I was happy to hear about the PAX announcement too. At this point we can bet it’s an expansion is some form, but to see an advertisement in-game was immersion breaking and distressing. Stick the ad on the loading screen, character select screen, fine, that works. But in-game? What’s next, The Goodyear Pact Blimp? Trahearne offering us a 20% discount on the Deluxe Bundle? Where is the line drawn between production and marketing?

I’m just curious, would you have been ok if the video had played minus the little PAX advert screen at the end? I assume so, at which point I do understand what you’re saying. But a lot of people won’t know about this and it’s a hugely effective way to get the news out to all players that something big is coming. I agree that it’s a little immersion breaking, but I guess it was the best way for them to do it.