Guild Wars 2

milo.6942:

“Ask not what buffs can be given to eles, ask instead, what nerfs can be given to everything else to make this game less trash.” — Benjamin Franklin

to deal with 95% of a gaming community whining about their class getting nerfed, or buff that 5% (or maybe even less at this point) that plays elementalists seriously. I think we both know which road will Anet tke and to whom they will cater (like they have done when they unnecessarily nerfed eles)

Valentin.2073:

ele already had its moment. rangers’ time has yet to come.

Lets see, petting zoo which had it latest appearaeance (to my knowledge) in about ALL tournaments, in fact, last MLG thy had 3x% representation….which was more than 4 other classes combined….in fact, in that same MLG, we had ZERO eles. Lets kick it up a notch; latest 2v2 tournament, finalist and about almost every team had a petting zoo ranger.

And lets kick yet another notch; how about instead of having cyclic periods of good and bad classes, we try to strike something in between, something….that resembles balance…

No, only increases your downed damage by 33%, which I thik hasnt been removed. Lava tomb is probably your most “useful” thing in sPvP though, considering that our death is a given, the best you can do is position yourself in a tactical place and have a nice telegraphed, medium hitting spell which will tick for 10 seconds.

Hope that helps, /cheers

I’m not sure how do developers measure the “success” of a class. Is it by time it is played? By amount of players? By representation in tPvP? A combination of the above?

I wonder because, anyone who checks the forums regularly knows Im an ele “activist”, as in Im always calling out the weaknesses of eles and attempting to give solutions to them, yet nothing serious gets done about it. Lots of unnecessary changes, buff all the other classes 2x and then they call it a day.

Im wondering because if it is by time played, despite knowing that Im griefing my team by playing ele, knowing that I would be better off by literally playing anything else, I choose to play ele because all the other classes bore me to yawns and tears. If it is by representation, a bunch of people share my thoughts in that matter. If it is by tournament representation…. well, I dont think we can get over the fact there has been literally 0 representation in the last tournaments, that almost all ele pros decided to give up and reroll another class, that despite our cries we still have no serious concerns about our issues

Could we address the survival issues of eles or shall we remain as glorified fire/water fields?

We have been waiting well over 9 months now, nothing too serious has been done about the core issues the ele faces. I see a lot of traits moved around, some nerfed, some traits that literally have only one use; against rabid necros in 1v1.

Should we expect any changes to survival and class overshadowing issue? Or shall we remain as a glorified fire/water field for another 9 months?

1-Skins added as unlimited as the AP skins
2-Some viability for elementalists
3-Tuning down of Stealth, specially Backstab.
4-More staff skins
5-Elementalists having a place in the game other than rally bot.

Yes it did, though pesonally, I see no difference. Then again, I run the game at lowest of possible lowest settings and still manage to never get above 8-12 FPS, so that might be it.

Only humans, but other classes have different things, sylvari for example have a hound

Arganthium.5638:

Thieves have literally two useable builds right now

Eles have 0

Thieves have been winning tournaments, latest one was won by Caed. Elementalists had 0 representation at the last MLG and near 0 as well every where else….. you literally have nothing to complain, no more than an ele anyways.

Arganthium.5638:

It’s okay, thief is about to finally meet ele in the tier where profs go to die as well.

Sadly this will never happen, because thieves have a lot of uses, and they can still be pretty good, and to make it even worse; eles are thieves’ favorite prey..

Wintel.4873:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Go suck a big fat ****, I’m gonna play the class I enjoy playing whether you like it or not.

You’re ruining everyone elses enjoyment.

Playing Ele basically equates to griefing your team.

Basically this.

A whole lot more than that is gonna be needed to bring eles up to par with all the other classes

Like I said, that happens too often with Norns. They have awkward body shapes (males anyways), doing JP with them is uncomfortable, running with them is uncomfortable, WALKING with them is uncomfortable^2. Every time I see a person wanting to change from Norns I feel bad for them, because they wanted to play a viking and all they’ve got is bothers. The only redeemable thing norns have is heavy T3.

For Asura is similar but opposite ; everything is too tiny, unless you have an overly flamboyant armor and weapon, usually you cant tell if they are wearing a greatsword or a toothpick, let alone daggers.

When you invest a lot of tim and effort into a character it is only natural to start identifying with them, even if you arent that much into RP, which is why I always recommend new players to play humanoid races such as sylvari and humans until they truly decide what they want.

Welcome to most Asura/Norn players issue.

Although this has been asked a thousand times, here comes the 1001 answer;

sadly no, there isnt.

Your best bet is to reroll sylvari and have fun with it, after all, they ARE the best race.

/cheers

but think about it; the reason you are winning is exactly because the enemy is down on players, so there isnt much worth in that win. Also, dont think the RNG is going for you, most of the time you dont even notice except when it does pick you, in that case you feel like the entire universe is agaisnt you and that it happens all the time, when in reality, there is a constant 20% chance of being THAT guy.

Either way, you receive the honors point, in fact, if you volunteer you get the bonus points AND a volunteer bonus, which is what I do, worth the effort!

Perhaps we should put it on Lion’s Arch, maybe the Norn city….thoughts?

Boy, some people sure have some unnecessary hated for her, which is sad, because I only see it inforums not ingame. Most people I know ingame seem to be rather enjoying her, so my guess is that someone started hating her here and most people followed the trend, whcih im sure had the first guy to say “I like her” we would all be happy about it.

@Justive.3608: kid’s tv territory? Im sorry, but I think you are watching too much cartoons if thats where you think the idea came from. The idea of allying strong adversaries once you defeat them comes since the dawn of men, where you would go into the neighbor tribe, win the war, and use the resources and men from that tribe to further increase your domain. Translate to wars and why enemies dont destroy the entire land but instead attack the government, because you want to use the resources of that land to further increase your lead.

I simply dont want her brightness and control to disappear. She introduced and organized entire armies, technology, and much more which would otherwise go to waste. Whereas by winning and making her work (in shackles) for us would allow us to keep her as a memento and even further make her part of future plots, where some redeemable thing might come from her. If you think this is kid’s show material then you sir need to watch other series.

Heta.8629:

I also think she would be an invaluable ally but she has a history of using and abandoning her allies.

nothing a little gunpowder cant fix

dietzero.3514:

Well she is easily the smartest character in GW2.

+1

Should DEFINITELY be in the weekly rotation, in fact, make it so that you get to actualy pick the activity instead of only it been every now and then in the week.

Please dont tell me it is thematic, because other than snow it has nothing to do with christmas and the bazaar of the winds is here despite the fact that it isnt in the game anymore.

Why?:

For once, support feels amazing! It has strong heals, it has strong spells (CC) that actually do interesting stuff, it is fun, it is incredibly fun, it is the most fun I’ve had in any minigame since hunger game in beta!

Sizzle Hint.1820:

So when a thief stealthes i apply aegis and win?

Well yes, isnt that the whole idea of counter play? In case you didnt know, aegis has a 90 seconds CD, stealth has a 4 seconds CD. Im sure you have done at least first grade math, so you should know that 90 > 4 therefore it is quite valid.

Sizzle Hint.1820:

P.S. no i dont play a stealth based backstab thief

Sure…..

But even if you didnt, you are a thief and by definition you are abusing using stealth more often than not, to escape, set up uncounterable attacks, stay inside a keep and never be found, have the first strike always (given you have basic skills adn can press 1 button)

In shorts, given how you only play one character, and arent done leveling the second, yuoare very bound to be VERY biased. How about you try playing classes that have to go agaisnt thieves one shooting people on a daily basis? Just in case you didnt know, there are some videos going around of thieves hitting 16.5k backstabs on warriors and guardians, self buffed, in WvW. THe fact that there is absolutely nothing to counter this other than “predict the bad thief player will do some very predictable move pattern and will stick around you for 3 seconds to receive 4 autoattacks to the face” is not a valid counterplay.

Maliel.8362:

And what do Thieves get in return for this change?

Hopefully some respect, or at least the beginning of getting there.

I, for once, Im tired of pressing Y (my AOE loot) specially since I play staff ele. Cant count how many times I have to go back to get my loot……

I +1 this idea, reminds me of this other game I once played, this was an amazing feature worth mentioning in any game review done.

The loot system is outdate, either thius hppens or loot needs to go automatically to a “coffer” or something.

Meanwhile me still working on my second legendary; Bifrost. It is a shame I cant use Sunrise on elementalists…. otherwise I would long be using it!

Dog.1472:

I want her dead.

Why?

Wouldnt it be better to have her as an ally instead? You are killing potential brains and someone with the capability to gather up and control thugs which otherwise would run rampant on whatever the hell they want, which means she also has “charisma” for those things.

Many problems? What problems are you talking about and how could this solve it?

So let me get this straight; you want to put more stuff to hinder player’s and server’s performance….because…..why? For the heck of it? To make dungeon runs unnecessarily longer, or clearing mobs in PvE with melee weapons harder than it is?

Thanks but no thanks terrible and uncalled for change that would divert resources on Anet part and would make the game a bother to clear.

Mneawhile in the land of Gate of Madness, we will continue to be the 21-23/24, yay

at this point, masochism

Despite what she has done, I believe we can get past this misunderstanding. Sure she has killed a few people and she should pay for that somehow, but think about it, wouldnt you want to have someone as smart as her in your ranks fighting Dragons?

I for sure vouch for an “alliance” of “mutual interests” (we dont kill you, you give us weapons and your subordinates, seems fair enough).

I’m sure we can all get past our differences and join forces, after all, didnt we do something similar with the charrs even though we have a long history of pilage and massacres?

#Scarlet2014

care? HAH. All that corrupted and sick bastar… polititian cares about is money, and making lots of it!. Of course he wants the city “protected”, his business is there and it would be devastating to have his entire center of operation destroyed.

Im sure Scarlet will eventually go to LA, after all, everything always happens in that city. Of course, her success will be determined by none other than my blade (and my friend’s blade too I hope).

I will make sure she pays for all, and above all, I hope she joins ranks with us to fight the dragons, someone as powerful as her would be better off as an ally or at least a powerful “partner”.

Interesting find, last time i was there they werent complete. Though i doubt they are for this arch, if anything it is for the second arch which will most likely be back to the dragons, hopefully the Krakaltoric (or w/e his russian name is). All I know is that one of those portals will definitely take you to Orr. Perhaps we might even have a land expansion.

To take the place of important loot, just like bags of coins.

If they are using stability, then there is little you can do to actually stop it. Just to to stack AoE on it, hopefully that is enough of a deterrent. If they are rushing that then it also means they are not going for bases. Take the bases, have CC to hold them off, an elementalist can do a great job at that with staff, but make sure to protect him.

If this is solo queue then that was bad luck. If this is team queue then you might want to have some team synergy in there, or follow the trend and get one of the OP classes such as necro, warrior, thief or petting zoo ranger.

/Cheers and hope that helps

Not really, I bumbed because awareness has to be brought, simple.

And no, Im not having much issues with thieves are per lately since I’m not playing sPvP all that much (given the obvious balance issues we face such as condition spamming and stealth nukes).

Im simply doing it for the health of the game. The day will come when you will all thank me, until then, I will keep doing this thankless job of bringing the game to a better balance stage.

Writetyper.1985:

Fortus.6175:

No.

Instants are instants. If you put a CD on instants from chaining with each other then you would have a bunch of classes’ core mechanics broken.

Guess it’s ok for you to make 2-3 threads a month about backstab but if you touch ele’s rediculous and ACTUALLY uncounterable as opposed to “in my forum poster mind” uncounterable damage, then we’re touching “class core mechanics”.

You heard it here first; elementalist OP…..

Dude, if you are dying to eles then you might have a bigger issue in your hands than “instant spells”

Cathgar.7581:

Fortus.6175:

I didnt want mention it on the thread because at this point it could stil be considered speculation and could add to the flame, but as someone noted on the BLTP subforum; there was a 160,000 supply which overnight went down to 10,000…… it was suspicious and as soon as someone noted it on the forums, a red was quick to answer, and although he didnt say much, I felt almost as if they knew they had a leak but cant quite put an end to it.

What really bothers me though is that I dont have access to that leak, thats all. Im jealous, because these people have an obious upperhand on us and will be flipping mats in TP like crazy, while we get to see from the bleachers how the rich and fortunate becomes richer.

Charged Quartz is account bound.
Quartz is not account bound and is useless to anyone that does not have a way to transform it into Charged Quartz.

Ok, either you didnt read what I said or you didnt read what I said….lol

I dont know what that reply came from but here I go anyways:

Anyone can make charged quartz, by simply walking up to any SP that is a chanel, perfect example is the one right outside of the human keep, where the human tutorial is.

As per the charged, yes it is account bound, but the uncharged isnt, which is the one that had its supplies drained.

NoTrigger.8396:

you can always deal more dps with ele than with any other profession.

SHHhhhhhh, man! Cant you appreciate what Im trying to do here?!

No, it is not ok to have this much damage out of stealth, period.

this is really puppy annoying, please Anet, I know you are better than this, come with a better solution!

I didnt want mention it on the thread because at this point it could stil be considered speculation and could add to the flame, but as someone noted on the BLTP subforum; there was a 160,000 supply which overnight went down to 10,000…… it was suspicious and as soon as someone noted it on the forums, a red was quick to answer, and although he didnt say much, I felt almost as if they knew they had a leak but cant quite put an end to it.

What really bothers me though is that I dont have access to that leak, thats all. Im jealous, because these people have an obious upperhand on us and will be flipping mats in TP like crazy, while we get to see from the bleachers how the rich and fortunate becomes richer.

my balance offensors;

Backstab and stealth (so much for “strong spells having a way to counter with some visuals” )

Condition spam (despite what people say, it STILL IS a problem which has yet to be directly addressed)

No.

Instants are instants. If you put a CD on instants from chaining with each other then you would have a bunch of classes’ core mechanics broken.

/grabs calculator, calculates….. numbers compute….. but brain refuses to believe Anet would do such a move, but then again…

That would actually explain why I have been dying a lot faster lately vs necro and mesmers ……

632.68 ~632 per tick

old or not, backstab has received no changes in amount of damage since release, or if it has it hasnt been enough.

As a mostly ele player, I struggled early on, mostly because I was [still am] dead set on wearing nothing but staff for everything (except now sometimes scepter/focus on Lupicus….darn him…).

Just play around with the mobility, once you start getting gear stuff becomes increasingly easier.

Ahh, I see now, so thats the ordeal. Well, I got like 4 of them at most, so thats like only 4 days of work really. As per the new change, as long as it is more than 5 a pack then im ok with the change, though I have been getting overall very crappy stuff out of those presents…… almost makes me want to stop…

am I missing something?

Lets assume that backstabs hit 7k for the most part, or 8k, maybe 7.5k, middle ground, which is what I get hit by the most with my 2k toughness .

Base health 11k, 7.5k damage; 7.5/10 * 100 = 75% of my health for cleric, every 4 seconds.

With soldier 15k health, 7.5k = 50% of my health, every 4 seconds.

Im sorry, but those numbers speak for themselves. Perhaps it wont help win games, but it is extremely annoying adn toxic for the game.

While we are on it, it seems the transofrm for witch is bugged too, I only get frog….

Anet please fix it!!!!!

boy, it does take skills to die at lvl 5 to a centaur on warrior :O

Jokes aside, you might want to equip better armor, the weapon matters little, if anything either Greatsword or Longbow will give you enough damage with skills. Keep leveling, after a while when you get the hang of it you will realize it isnt too hard, also, if you are lvl 5 then you shouldnt be on the centaur area yet! Mainstory isnt enough to keep up in levels, you are supposed to also clear map and kill stuff around your level.

/Cheers and hope that solves the problem!

Incurafy.6329:

Backstab does not hit 8-10k. Stop lying and stop posting these ridiculous threads.

Also, the Ele in my team 2v1s at far all day while we cap everything else and win teamfight, clearly you guys are doing something wrong if you think they’re in a terrible spot right now, lol.

oh , yes it does, yes it does! I have felt it on my own toon, and the fact that you cant get those numbers tells a lot about your skills…. Dunno, but the thief in my team cap everything and wins teamfights, clearly you are doing something wrong if you think they’re in a terrible spot right now.

See? It can go both ways…. so lets stop it with these arguments. It is a fact that backstabs hit 10k in PvP, next one I will make sure to screenshot if needed.

Brando.1374:

Fortus.6175:

Josh Davis.6015:

Ideally, all of our high impact skills should allow for counter-play via a clearly telegraphed attack animation.

I seriously dont understand the thought pattern behind a skill that hits anywhere 8k-10k, can be used every 4 seconds, has no animation and was given to probably the best roamer, disengager, stealth-spammy and spikers in the game…..

It baffles me….

are you really complaining about the worst class in spvp right now?

well, someone here hasnt played ele lately. Furthermore, someone here, namely, you, havent seen who won the latest tournament (since you didnt bother to look it up before, i doubt you will now do it, so here it is….get ready for it: …..Thief!)

Im sorry, but what you just said is straight up bullpuppy, and if by any chance you actually believe it, then you need to drop the easiest class to play out there, because it defintiely isnt working out for you.

@Topic; Anyways, for the sake of balance, and simply put in the words of a Dev;

Where is the animation? Where is the counterplay to backstab [Stealth in general]? Where is the 40+ CD for a skill such as that one? Why can it be used every 4 seconds? Why was it given to the class that has access to [still] perma stealth?

It truly, TRULY baffles me…..