Guild Wars 2

condition spam
thieves spam
backstab spam
HS spam

This is reaching a point of toxicness, normally I only find that the enemy has 2-3 condition users, some other times 4. But to cross a 5 condition team TWICE in a row?

CMON ANET, is this the balance you want to reach? Passive conditions ticking you to death? Do you really think people will tune in to a twitch channel tournament to see people running around and watching their enemies drop in a few secs while they lay there, hopeless like a fish?

I think this is out of control, this NEEDS to be fixed ASAP.

Suggestions; nerf the heck out of bleed and how they are applied. Give condition another stat, it is very unfair to have its scaling come from only one stat and get to have all defensing stats too. Both boons and conditions need some tuning; they went from “use at tactical moments” to “spam that hoe when it comes off CD, usually 8 seconds on the auto attack”

Please anet, i want plays, PLAYS, not ticking people to death. I alrady had to reroll a condi warr, thats not what I want to play. I enjoy healers, supporters, spikers.

No, Im tired of being “polite”, everyone is. Im being “constructive”; im warning you of whats wrong before whatever PvP community you have leaks out.

Screenshot related of one of the game; condi/zoo ranger, PU mesmer, condi engi, 2 condi necros…..

Well written and thought out, I liked how it wasnt a pure bashing. It exposed some interesting points, but as you said yourself; it will most likely than not get ignore, again, like always. I have come to the conclusion that Anet has the forums and the CDI as palcebo effects for the community, so that they think they are actually contributing, so that they vent their frustration. As you ntoed with the ranger changes; they dont always listen to reason, in fact, I would say the few changes the community “made” were no more than changes they already thought themselves and then realized the community also did.

At this point this is conjectures on my part and Anet will neither agree nor disagree with any of this.

However, put quaggans/thiefs/warrios on the tittle and you might get attentions

/cheers

I hope for balance, specially for poor elementalist and the toxic thief’s mecahnics.

Wanze.8410:

Fortus.6175:

Tman.6349:

Fortus.6175:

Tman.6349:

Perhaps you could use a bank summoner that already exists ingame. There’s even an infinite one.

once agai, it is not the same, and I think you didnt understand the concept at all. It isnt about having the bank closer, it is having no need for a bank at all for everyday things you use.

i understand perfectly so don’t make assumptions and the banker express is a nearly identical concept to what you are asking for as well have the same group of 4-5 people that have made different versions of this thread half a dozen times or more. it’s not gonna happen.

What does it affect you? If you dont fancy it then dont comment on it or simply dont buy it. Some of us want convenience, and what you are saying is NOT the same, plain and simple. I want to share it among all my characters, one-time buy. I have casted my votes several time with money that I wont buy a consumable items. I bought all the gathering tools because they were long term, I bought the passes because they were constant, I bought the salvaging tool because it was constant. I wont buy those consumables because I change my characters more than 5 times a day.

If you dont like, turn a blind eye to the half dozen threads that have been posted already and the half thousand that will be posted from here on, im sure it WILL happen just like the gathering tools and the salvaging tool and the passes, the question is when, and Im letting Anet know that I want it now than later.

But why should we turn a blind eye to you cluttering the forums with multiple threads for the same topic?

dunno, but I checked the first 2 pages of the forum and I found none on this. Unless someone bumps it now and says “Hey! look it is there!” ther eis nothing for me to believe that this is a topic done before.

Lets say there is a place; do you ACTUALLY think that someone will post the place where they are making profit? Specially an official forum in which Anet looks at and can nerf the spot?

Lets analyze the last time this was done; shark farming during the LS at the suncove; BAM nerfed next patch. Spider farming, bam, nerfed, ice giants bam nerfed, etc etc.

Im sorry, but you are out of luck.

Tman.6349:

Fortus.6175:

Tman.6349:

Perhaps you could use a bank summoner that already exists ingame. There’s even an infinite one.

once agai, it is not the same, and I think you didnt understand the concept at all. It isnt about having the bank closer, it is having no need for a bank at all for everyday things you use.

i understand perfectly so don’t make assumptions and the banker express is a nearly identical concept to what you are asking for as well have the same group of 4-5 people that have made different versions of this thread half a dozen times or more. it’s not gonna happen.

What does it affect you? If you dont fancy it then dont comment on it or simply dont buy it. Some of us want convenience, and what you are saying is NOT the same, plain and simple. I want to share it among all my characters, one-time buy. I have casted my votes several time with money that I wont buy a consumable items. I bought all the gathering tools because they were long term, I bought the passes because they were constant, I bought the salvaging tool because it was constant. I wont buy those consumables because I change my characters more than 5 times a day.

If you dont like, turn a blind eye to the half dozen threads that have been posted already and the half thousand that will be posted from here on, im sure it WILL happen just like the gathering tools and the salvaging tool and the passes, the question is when, and Im letting Anet know that I want it now than later.

Tman.6349:

Perhaps you could use a bank summoner that already exists ingame. There’s even an infinite one.

once agai, it is not the same, and I think you didnt understand the concept at all. It isnt about having the bank closer, it is having no need for a bank at all for everyday things you use.

Travis the Terrible.4739:

Basically you want them to charge 2k gems for a bag that is more or less a storage tab in the bank? lol

I have minis, infinite salvage kit, infinite potions, etc.

Liadri is a one thing mini, I have 3 characters I play interchangeably, in order for me to use those mini/potions I have to depesite them on the bank, log out, get my other character, go to the bank, retrieve, and go back where I was, 3 loading screens for minis, 4 for potions and utility items. My PC blows, it takes 1 minutes or so for each loading screen, and I change characters….A LOT. This saves me time and gives Anet $ since I buy my gems only with $ as does many other people who want to support the game.

It works quite simple; A bag that is shared among all characters (except character in the starting zone), 20 slots, cannot contain soulbound items.

I will let you decide the price, although 2000 gems seems fair to me.

Why? Why not. Im already cycling many things among my characters, you might as well make a profit out of it and give me the satisfaction of halving my work.

ens.9854:

Normal d/p crits for 4k easy by spamming shadow shots. Backstab is just icing vs mesmers for when they go invis/invuln, they have no hope when you are stuck to them like glue.

The commonly used teleports for a d/p thief are steal (21s cd, used for opener, daze) and signet (24s cd) both instant. Nearly every thief is going to run shadowstep which can also be used offensively if you work up an advantage and are sure the fight will end before return expires. Then there is shadow shot which is unfortunately not instant cast but at least blinds and follows with a large hit (or backstab if you are invis) and can be used any time you have LoS.

S/d usually has 35s cd steal but still has signet, shadowstep, and weapon teleport, plus flanking strike is a better homing attack than heartseeker. You generally use swiftness and dodges/evades to stay close and need to hit teleport only for large gaps like blink or if you are hit by knock back. I have destroyed many mesmers when I snap back instantly from being knocked away it is quite satisfying

edit: fixed kitten

This is very correct.

They have too many gap closers on very small CD (no CD actually), backstabs is probably the single most unfair spell in the game(notice I said unfair, not Op, maybe the skill is balance although I dont beleive so, but the skill feels very unfair and toxic)

This was proposed along with batch buying by several people, including me, in the always ignored suggestion forum. This became very apparent to me the moment I had to buy 3750 cupcakes…..

THATS 7500 CLICKS!!!!

personally i would be happy if there was a cap on them, and also if we could not see emotes of ignoredpeople. Some dude is always SPAMMING emotes near the [now extinct] LA and there was nothign I could do to stop it. Not ignoring, not running away from it, nothing.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Ele says hello with just Burning and Bleeding. So we have even less so why is ours LESS duration? then again Warrior have better health, armor, mobility and damage and a very broken Healing Signet…

the answer is quite simple;

it is warriors / ele we are talking about

If there is something I have learn playing since Beta is: Warriors gets all nice things and ele gets the boot.

Mobility? Well, sword #2 on warrior or GS #3 & #5 is a RtL minus the entire “double the CD if it doesnt hit”. Oh but its ok, eles have great regeneration without having to burn any CD, have the highest Hp and armor in the game, couple with point-and-click skills and can escape at will, on top of 7 secs huge PBAoE stun and blast finishers….oh wait..

I for once, would be glad to have an armor that has Best stats and can be changed at will, will make my life much easier…same as templates…if they ever come.

I want the sylvari one, from left to right the 4th! Also the First one from left to right!

If the siege can see the player, then the player should be able to see the siege. If the siege is at 1200 range from the player and it is hitting the player, then the player should be able to target the seige.

I havent seen any information about this in any patch. As far as Im concerned there are still non-punished “enhancers” which allow you to shoot from corner, from very far away of any conceivable line of sight and behind doors, which, in my opinion and anyone who cares for the health of WvW, should NOT be allowed.

Yep, same here pal;

hambows and backstbbing/blindspamming/infinite-teleporting/too-much-stealth thieves drove me and all my friends away from any kind of PvP or roaming.

should be popping out any time now…

edit: It is a map, so far it hasnt revealed me anything ‘secrey’ of LA. lets see, maybe it is so secret that I dont even know

Im still going to get it regardless because Im sure at some point it WILL get improved, but in order to have it improved we must first point it out

Thanks, cleared that up

-Needs to be slightly more visibly
-Needs to be usable everywhere
-No more arbitrary duration, no more arbitrary restrictions.

It is an amazing item, why restrict it unnecessarily so much?

>Implying it needs to be have a compensation.

Sure, her is my compensation; backstab now has an internal CD of 15 seconds, and cannot hit above 50% of enemy current health threshold. Sounds good to me, and Im sure will help balance out the game for sure.

are these lost in combat? how long do they last? whats the CD?

but….what do they do?!

Carighan.6758:

• You will win 1v1 confrontations you enter from stealth.
• You will lose if you are ganged up on

This is the stamp mark of a scissor/paper/rock gameplay, which we can all agree is very toxic to a skill-based game.

Also, if you seriously believe numbers mean much to thieves, I highly recommend you to see a good or at least decent thief in a fight; stealth/evades/teleports almost always guarantee that the thief will get away most if not all of the time.

Only bad thieves who fight 4 v 1 tend to lose. 1 thief is more than enough to keep a group of players busy spamming AoE and swinging swords in the air like rave party idjots until they give up.

same here. One of the reasons (minor, the biggest being that 11/10 necros I see in dungeons are conditions, which ignore the “damage” tag on the description and thus get the boot instantly) I dont like necros in my party is because of how deceiving this is, specially in a PvP enviroment where you have to be managing your support spells (im a guard)

Personally I found myself playing it more because;

-less walking time
-more badges, WAY more badges
-Fights are immediate
-badges
-fights
-fights
-badges
-loot

Short answer: warrior/guardian

Long answer: Still warrior/guardian
Why?
Simple, unless you are in an organized group, most of the time, people stand behind a commander. If the commander cant lead by example, cant resist fire, cant hold its ground, then usually the fights that ensue (or dont at all) are very messy.

Guardian and warrior both have the capability of going very tanky while still being very useful in a zerg.

Reference : im a WvW commander.

Disclaimer: Any class can be commander, but when it comes to best nobody beats heavy classes in soldier/valkyrie gear.

The only reason why you “like” them is because they are scarce. Same reason Legendaries were the big thing back in the days.

Soon, after everyone and their family members have their own “pseudo legendaries” (as you wrongly call them) you will consider them as meh as you consider legendaries.

Sadly, thats how human mind works; appreciate things not for what they are worth, but for how special they make you feel.

EDIT: With that being said, Genesis > Juggernaut….by far

I know it might be quite the stretch, definitely Gem items, but I think glowing dyes would be incredibly awesome.

Why? Because Im a sylvari and I like glowing.

caveman.5840:

i am not even going to continue arguing this with out a video .
and and if u have traits in sa . your hp may be around 1200+.
mind u most thieves go for sa as it is your only condition removal
and if the element is quick and the thief does not get out quick enough u can kill them .
but most elements r a easy kill when it comes vs a thief
elements r ment to have the highest skill ceiling.

jeez all u do is attack with out offering more suggestions .
answer to every thing is nerf left and right

Im sorry, but you are wrong. We can tell from your posts that you dont know what you are talking about and that you are a thief and probably a WvW player.

In no world other than thief-cry-land will a RtL ever one hit a thief leave alone outdamage a backstab. Thieves can LITERALLY one stab an elementalist out of the blue. There is no skill ceiling there. Now, you tell me, do you think it is skilful to pop a shield with 75 secs CD and have it say “block block block 10k backstab 4k HS, respawn” ?

There is no balance in that, if you cant see that then please, abandon thread, because despite all the “nerfs” thieves have received, the giant buffs with initiative, and despite all that, they still are at the top of the food chain in the DPS race, you can only imagine just how beyond out of control they were before.

caveman.5840:

lol i have seen elements kill thieves with one ride the lightning in wvw

I think we can now take everything you have said and will say, and throw it down the board.

Ladies and gentleman, I present to you; thief players.

Truly truly disturbing. You would think that Anet would try to decrease the amount of stuff in the screen… not increase it…..but then again…

style.6173:

Fortus.6175:

(today we lost 2 top mesmer players due to this, on top of the countless nameless elementalists which plead for fixes long time ago after getting the boot up their …..feet)

If a mesmer loses to a thief, then the mesmer is just plain bad. Mesmer is by far the best 1v1 class.

I think you missed the point of this point;

two of the most ‘famous’ pro players (highly regarded as civilized, open minded and reasonable man) quit their mesmer class in a rather ‘ragey’ way over their channels and rerolled to thieves due to the amount of unbalances and apparent favoritisim towards certain classes such as warriors and thieves. They are now rolling thieves themselves.

There were around 3 eles ‘pros’ that did the same a few months ago. Of course no one remembers anymore because in forum’s time thats ages, but it has happened, it is happening and it will keep happening if things continue this way.

HECK, even devs themselves admitted in a stream that thieves were driving away mesmers and elementalists from this meta.

So they changed it already? Where can I preview it? When can I get the new one on the gemstore?

yet no need to be in stealth when the enemies are dead, so please, YOu tell me you are being sarcastic

Cynz.9437:

30/30/30/30/30 build is so OP

I wont call you ignorant, but you sir need to know about the S/D and D/P that plagues sPvP. They have access to all of the afore mentioned stuff without having to fall in your uncivilized and near sighted fail of a joke.

I think we can all agreed that currently thieves are stealing (no pun intended) all the attention when it comes to damage dealer/roamer/squishy.

Their OP superb damage coupled with spammable blinds, teleports, dodges, stealth, backstabs is driving to extinction the few eles and mesmers that remain (today we lost 2 top mesmer players due to this, on top of the countless nameless elementalists which plead for fixes long time ago after getting the boot up their …..feet)

Backstabs, without any kind of interaction on the taker other than bending over and taking it regardless of skillfully blocking it, blinding or evading the attack.

Blinds, which reapply on literally every second and then there is the fact that every ranged skill on thieves (except autoattack) applies a blind through this field.

Teleports that cure conditions and break stuns, rendering any form of CC, soft or hard, useless. On top of not only having one, or 2, or 3, or 4 , or 5……. just as many as initiative permit, on top of 2 freebies on low CD.

You cant give one class all the best tools for survival regardless of stats, give it the best single target damage and then allow it to take anybody else’s role and call it a day.

Suggestions; blind fields, same treatment the earth storm ele got; once every 4 seconds.
Teleports, increase initiative cost, give it 1/2 or 3/4 seconds precast, 1/2 activation.
Damage and boon stealing; needs an ICD and the damage needs some shaving down, specially spamable skills, something not along the lines of 8%, but rather 15-25%.
Backstab needs to be an opener, apply 10-15 vulnerability stacks to help vs bunkers but have normal or only slightly augmented damage to not be so upfronted.
Thoughts?

(screenshot taken April 15 post patch)

Black Box.9312:

we’d need another method of solving this problem.

Remove it from WvW. There, fixed it.

Agreed; on evade, on miss and on block. If the person is actively trying to counter the attack then it should be rewarded specially since it takes a WHOLE lot of experience and skills in order to pop the evade/blind/block at the right time considering there is absolutely no counter to stealth, and the stealthed person currently loses absolutely nothing in the current way of things

Im not exactly sure what is the point of this thread, but I will bite;

I still believe this is not enough. The fact that we are still TO dependent on cantrips makes eles slaves of water/arcane. Their healing has been hit too much. I would like to see skills getting their CD reduced, animations reduced, healing being stronger and I mean being REALLY strong because thats our defense, because unlike other classes we lack constant blinds and teleports, aegis, clones, huge hp bar, double huge hp bar, stealth, etc…

I got one eye once, 2100 hours here

sold it for like 20 silver back in the days T_T

:) normally smiley faces are not seen as a good sign but what ever. Best one out there is elementalists since they can smile the most about being dead

hellsmachine.4085:

“I voted for ranger… it’s fun losing all the time…” said no one ever.

Based on that logic, eles shouldnt even be there, yet, not only are they not last, but they are first.

And trust me, nothing screams “losing” louder than having an ele in your PvP team.

It is all about how much fun the class has and personally Im not surprised that the classes with the most buttons to press are the ones on the top. Personally I think that Anet dropped the ball a little bit when they decided to give us only 9 skills on the bar and 5 of them tied to weapon…

P Fun Daddy.1208:

Atherakhia.4086:

Conditions.

Remove berserker stance. Make it do 25% more damage and reduce armor by 25%.
Attach condi immunity to healing signet. Slowly drains available adrenaline until out of adrenaline. Immune to condis while it’s up. 3 adrenaline a second drained.

I’ve solved the Warrior class.

0.o
Have you seen how much adrenaline generation warriors have? With this they would quite literally be permanently immune to conditions as long as they are either hitting or being hit if they took cleansing ire and signet of rage, and possibly one other generation trait. I don’t think this would really make them weak to conditions…

he was being sarcastic…

(i hope…I mean, there is a limit to stupi…..dullness, right?)

They said that eventually they would do it, starting first on sPvP and them moving on to different areas of the game. Personally Im very excited to see that and open world dueling on Gw3 2016 !

Although I would like to have it for personal use, I would not like it to have it for open source. I can only imagine the LFG going something like; 10k+ DPS only.

Well,just for reference, I just picked up a warrior, geared it and traited it without any kind of knowledge…… I have won 6 out of my last 7 games thanks to it……… I mean, can any other profession have such a lenient learning curve and still let good players shine as much as this?! Oh well, consider me out-cheesed. If you cant beat them…..

Can someone please explain to me what are warriors true weakness?

Conditions? Highest base Hp in the game, passive condition cleansing, countless other condition cleansing.

Kiting? Try kiting a hammer or a sword or GS warrior….. with dolyak or any of their plenty other immunities to CC and/or conditions

Outrun them? how can you outrun the king of mobility….

Damage wise they are wrecking trains, can fulfill literally any role in a party, pack incredible crow control, easy-click-and-sit-back brain dead near unavoidable skills that take entire points, or that home you without guardian’s scepter or eles’ stupid staff auto attack AI. Teamfights, solo, roaming, you name, they can do it all, usually in one build for the most part. Im truelly getting tired of getting cheesed, can we do some serious balancing here? If I had to place another class on the opposite spectrum of warrior that would ele, yet they get some very underwhelming changes which are definitely not what the class needs.

It seems to me that everytime 2 or more warriors are on a team, said team’s cahnces to win grow exponentially.