If you stop viewing this thread as some kind of personal attack against you, I will happily join you in discussing.
This is an assertion, and shall be dismissed as such. I just got here. You do not know me. So why on earth would i feel like its a personal attack? This is what we like to call “poisoning the well”. I would ask you to refrain from doing that because this is the problem, you lack self awareness.
Your initial post mostly looks like you are trying to get into a fight. I dont know, why you feel offended, but you obviously do.
Another attempt to poison the well. I can’t be offended by something that doesn’t bother me. If anything you feel offended for me pointing out your short comings through your bad arguments. That’s too bad.
Soo, first of all you appear to be thinking of me as some kind of elitist.My friend list is full of people, that joined me with no clue, and that I have been giving advice to. I find much joy in helping out others, that does not mean, that im happy if people make me climb on trees, because they dont know how to dodge.
And here is the straw man. You are just full of fallacies. If i thought you were an elitist, i would have just said so. Instead i called you an authoritarian whiner. Which you are proving yourself to be by trying to tell me what i feel. Feelings that are in no way even remotely on base with anything i said, just sad attempts to prove your vapid point. I could give a kitten about your friends list. It doesn’t mean you know, like, or even talk to all of those people. It’s a completely irrelevant thing to say. Don’t want to climb on tree’s? Then don’t. I surely don’t. No one is forcing you to. Don’t want to squad with those people? Then don’t. Again, no one is forcing you to. I do 77 often, and never once have i had a party wipe, and i don’t even dodge. Why? Because my necro doesn’t have to.
My main point about this is: people should learn to play fotm properly, but they should do so in the lower levels. Thats what the progressive system is for: You play your way up to the harder ones and, by doing so, practice.
Again, trying to tell others what to do. Low level FoTM is there for people to learn, correct. However who the hell are you to tell people they shouldn’t be able to do harder ones on their own time? And progression doesn’t mean those people will still know what to do in harder ones, being that mechanics change. And some people have a hard time dealing with certain mechanics (like people have a real hate for the “Enemies apply random conditions”). But again, progression is there, but people are able to do what they want. Don’t like it? Don’t squad with them.
If they just mindlessly farm their swamps day in and day out, they wont learn anything.And you cant honestly say, that you enjoy havin a soldier-builded warrior in 95, who keeps running upstairs to trigger the pots. (yes, that actually happened to me)
I’m sensing a common theme here. I honestly don’t care what build people are running. I didn’t call you an elitist, you did. But here you are doing the same thing YOU said you were not. Just saiyan.
@2/3: I never claimed to have taken a statistically significant sample. I just happen to know people, who literally hated fractals, but I kept dragging them along until we played kitten in one night. That was the point, where I convinced them.
You convinced ‘them’. What does this have to do with anyone else? People who hate fractals mostly have never even set foot in fractals.
@1: For a 94 you have to wait an average 1-3 hours. And that is on prime time. Dont tell me you have no problem finding groups. 75+ lfg is empty from 1am to 6 pm utc.
I just did and I’ll tell you again. I don’t have a problem finding groups. Also i never stated what time im on from. Using UTC as a reference is so dishonest. For one you don’t even know my time zone. And can’t you run another fractal besides 94? There are 48 other scales that you can run for daily. Some of which have the same fractal. Why 94 specifically? You can like it, but like i said, other people don’t have to. It’s odd you pick an absurdly high scale as an argument and expect anyone to take you seriously.
@4: I never said hardcore. I said semi hardcore. And that means: any casual who is commited to make the effort to play fractal on high level can do it. But you should not be doing it without making any effort at all. But let me be honest here: people who are not showing even the slightest interest in challenging content should not be doing 50+ fractals. And that means: no 3 quick dailies, that can be completed by every noob either. Fractals should be open to everyone, but only to everyone who wants to play them. Not to people who are just looking for quick money. The reward should only be a motivational bonus. And srsly: its not like the game would force you to play fractals at all.
Again. Trying to tell people what they should and should not be doing. People don’t run 50+ for ‘quick money’. They run it for the chance at ascended loot. You seem quite out of touch.
@5: I never said I had any proof of this upgrading both quantity and quality. But think about it logically:
-better rewards=more players
-longer/harder progression=more experienced players.
Get it? And it would most certainly not make things worse.
There is a difference between ‘logic’ and ‘reality’. If you were logical you would realize that. Logically the argument is sound, but it is not factually accurate. Again, you have no data. Longer/harder progression can also mean the loot isn’t worth the time taken to progress, which is why people dont run scale 94. I dont see how anyone could just gloss over that. And ‘worse’ is entirely subjective here, seeing as again, reward:difficulty ratio is a thing.
@6: Ok now…how exactly is that even remotely related to my topic? This about working with the frl, not about possible attempts to fix fractal diversity. I dont deny, that more and more enjoyable fractals can help solving the problem, but its a little out of place here.
It’s not out of place. If people liked the fractals they were doing they would become invested in learning them. Forcing people to do fractals they hate, does the opposite. Only an authoritarian would think forcing someone to do something ‘for their own good’ would help people. And history has proven thats not the case.
@7) Most of this I have adressed above. Now, what would happen, if I forced them to play the harder fractals? Thats right, they would get better. People are not ‘noobs’ by default. The ‘skill’ in a video game is not genetically predetermined. Its something you have to work on. Something you have to learn.
And about forcing…My proposal would require people to play at least 50 of the existing 100 fractals. If you hate half of the existing fractals…perhaps you shouldnt do them, should you? You dont have to play game content you dont enjoy, but in that case you should not get the associated rewards either.
For example im forver done doing silverwastes, Ive spent so much time there, I cant stand it any more. In exchange I make a lot less gold. fair is fair
Again, trying to tell others what to do. I do the fractals i like because i have that choice. You aren’t in a position to tell people “you shouldnt get the rewards if you only like half the fractals”, it doesn’t work like that kiddo. Anet decides that. And they decided to give people choices. Have you no respect for their choice of this system? Guess not. Sounds like you rather just QQ because no one wants to run fractals they don’t liek that don’t give good loot. And lets gets something straight, I’ve run all 50 of the fractals for the achievement. You don’t get to tell me i shouldn’t do fractals because i only like certain ones. I run the ones i like. Don’t like it? Tough kitten. Go cry about it with the rest of the control freaks.
Fractals is the way it is. I enjoy it under the ‘current’ system. Which is what Anet decides on. Not you. Maybe if you pulled you head out of your kitten you’d enjoy fractals more. Or better yet take your own advice. Don’t play content you don’t ‘fully enjoy’. Because right now it seems like you just want to change the content to something you would like, when you don’t enjoy it. Then why are you playing it?
Reading through my own answer, I guess I sound just as agitated and angry as you did. So I just wanted to assure you that I am not.(Im actually too tired to be upset^^) Its just hard to to express this in a proper way, especially since you effectively twisted some of my statements and I feel like I have to try and set it right.
Twisting a statement involves misrepresenting the statement itself. I simply responded to exactly what you said. I do not care if you are angry, it’s not a concern to me in the slightest. What i care about is you basically saying “I don’t like the way people run fractals, make them run fractals the way i want to run fractals”. That’s not how you make a fractal system. And that sure isn’t how you make that system enjoyable.
