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you could just wait out the inevitable loss and wait for the next game (takes about 10 seconds after someone reaches 500 points to start next game), which will start at the beginning.

EDIT: there should never be a game where it there is more than one person over the other due to auto balance (EX 5v2 shouldnt happen). unless that got removed it should not happen, though it does take time to balance it out

its not a mystic forge recipe. There should be a recipe for the vision crystal in your craft (tailoring).

*raccoon- could have some kind of stealing ability
*squirrel
*various dinosaurs
*giant eagle
*phoenix that is hidden in a difficult dungeon/instance

Johje Holan.4607:

What do you get for map completion? Is it only good for getting a Legendary? If so I won’t bother because I know I’ll never get one.

I never expected map completion but I’m kinda bored so if it gives good rewards I might do it.

each map you complete gives you some things. PvE maps give you 2 items with a rarity based on the max level of the map, some crafting materials, either a key or transmutation charge, and some experience. its been a long time since i got WvW completion, but i think it gives 2 items and a piece of siege or something like that. For 100% all you get is 2 gifts of exploration, the Been There Done That acheivement (1st time only) and a gold star by your character’s name (which only other players can see).

I created a new character to try the new system as well. Mapping seems to be the best way to level if you exclude everything else. good luck with your leveling

i believe you will want this

Guide for WvW map completion

Method 1: (only for active servers)
actively follow the commander around the map as they take things

Method 2: (any server)
transfer to an active server and follow method 1

Method 3: (most popular method for lower tier servers)
Run to objectives on reset night to get exploration quickly (before your server loses things). WvW matchup resets 1 hour and ~5 minutes after the daily reset on Friday night (currently 5:05 PM PST for NA servers)
When the matchup resets, your server has a claim over all the keeps and towers in their Borderland and the keep and 4 towers for your corner in Eternal Battlegrounds.

When reset occurs go to your BL and run like crazy (bring swiftness!) to the 2 southernmost keeps (Bay and Hills) get all the POIs and vistas there. Then move north from them visiting towers, camps, and the garrison. You should have the 3 keeps and all the towers and camps north of Bay/Hills (dont worry if it takes more than 1 week). If your server still has stuff in EB, then go there and pick up your keep, 4 towers and the 2 camps on your side (will likely need more than one week for this and BL). to get the stuff in the south, you have to wait until your color is NOT the same as the BL (go to BLs that are “not your server name borderlands”)(unless you are really fast and can get to that southernmost tower before the enemy gets it). You will need 4 friends. You can activate the commander NPC (seigerazor/siegecrusher) if he is there. He will help you take the tower closest to your spawn. You can also take the 2 camps nearest to your spawn and get the south skill point/vistas.

Stonemist Castle will probably be your biggest issue if your world never takes it. The best way i can see to do it is to follow an enemy zerg into it (be careful they will see you as an easy target). Stealth is your best friend (if youre a mes or thief just equip your stealths and carefully fun around the perimiter picking up the POIs, otherwise bring a freind who can stealth you). You have to follow your enemy through the inner gate as well in order to get the skill point (this should be done after most of them leave).

Tips:
*Be patient, this is a PvP map and it might take some time to do if your server has 0 presence
*Always avoid enemies when you can. Anyone that sees you will tell their 50 “freinds” in map chat and generally try to engage you
*Stealth, speed boosts, and even invulnerability skills are very helpful
*non-peak times can also be helpful if you are against servers where people actually get some sleep
*If you mention what server you are on, you might find someone here that will help you as well

Good Luck with your exploration.

if it is required for the new legends, then i could see them adding it as a second objective for completion (similar to the way the cartographer titles worked in GW1) that will give 1 gift. They could also add it to the laurel vendor for X cost (laurels, coins, karma, etc) after completing the maps. They might make it part of the mastery system somehow, which could be interesting

your server might pick up when the expansion releases because more people like you (people who want to try out the new map) join in. I wouldnt count them out just yet. Out of curiosity, what server are you on?

Mount Maelstrom for platinum. i take murkvale WP (Southwesternmost WP) circle around the southside then move north hitting all nodes all the way up to the NW side of map. There is always a rich node north of the ruins in the Criterion Canyon. I then WP to the Old Sledge Site WP. I explore the area around the golem spawn location (including the hylek camp). then i go to the sunken droknah (directly NW of golem spawn) for another rich node. Ive seen 3 rich nodes in one run before (usually another near criterion ruins or another north of golem spawn point). I normally get 60+ platinum from this run and it takes about 20-30 mins (i should time it). You should also find several banyan sapplings as well.

Brisbane Wildlands, go to Proxemics Lab WP. There is a rich iron node, guarenteed, and at least 5 other rocks (usually iron) in the valley east of the WP.

WvW borderlands, ironicly enough, have several spots where rich nodes can appear. i check around south of the citidel, most specifically around/between the keeps and the 3 southern camps. I have seen 6 rich nodes (silver, iron, gold) in one map before although 2-4 is more common with silver being the most common rich node i find.

Southsun Cove is a great place for elder/ancient and mithril/ori. These show up in abundance on the west side, while the east side has more passion fruits

i got 3 ornamental trophies, which are instant profit. i went from about 30ish gold to 50ish gold. while it isnt amazing or anything, it is still profit. plus i have 3 of those exotic condi cookies which were going for 1.5 gold last night. might sell later if price keeps going up.

im glad there are other people waiting for 500 jewelcrafting, but i think penguin is referring to the inevitable need for ingots for the gift of metal which requires a stack of both plat ingots and darksteel ingots.

most of it has been mentioned already, but here is everything i think you will need for completion:

Guide for WvW map completion

Method 1: (only for active servers)
actively follow the commander around the map as they take things

Method 2: (any server)
transfer to an active server and follow method 1

Method 3: (most popular method for lower tier servers)
Run to objectives on reset night to get exploration quickly (before your server loses things). WvW matchup resets 1 hour and ~5 minutes after the daily reset on Friday night (currently 5:05 PM PST for NA servers)
When the matchup resets, your server has a claim over all the keeps and towers in their Borderland and the keep and 4 towers for your corner in Eternal Battlegrounds.

When reset occurs go to your BL and run like crazy (bring swiftness!) to the 2 southernmost keeps (Bay and Hills) get all the POIs and vistas there. Then move north from them visiting towers, camps, and the garrison. You should have the 3 keeps and all the towers and camps north of Bay/Hills (dont worry if it takes more than 1 week). If your server still has stuff in EB, then go there and pick up your keep, 4 towers and the 2 camps on your side (will likely need more than one week for this and BL). to get the stuff in the south, you have to wait until your color is NOT the same as the BL (go to BLs that are “not your server name borderlands”)(unless you are really fast and can get to that southernmost tower before the enemy gets it). You will need 4 friends. You can activate the commander NPC (seigerazor/siegecrusher) if he is there. He will help you take the tower closest to your spawn. You can also take the 2 camps nearest to your spawn and get the south skill point/vistas.

Stonemist Castle will probably be your biggest issue if your world never takes it. The best way i can see to do it is to follow an enemy zerg into it (be careful they will see you as an easy target). Stealth is your best friend (if youre a mes or thief just equip your stealths and carefully fun around the perimiter picking up the POIs, otherwise bring a freind who can stealth you). You have to follow your enemy through the inner gate as well in order to get the skill point (this should be done after most of them leave).

Tips:
*Be patient, this is a PvP map and it might take some time to do if your server has 0 presence
*Always avoid enemies when you can. Anyone that sees you will tell their 50 “freinds” in map chat and generally try to engage you
*Stealth, speed boosts, and even invulnerability skills are very helpful
*non-peak times can also be helpful if you are against servers where people actually get some sleep

Good Luck with your exploration. If you mention what server you are on, you might find someone here that will help you as well.

Tribio.8531:

Keegan.4172:

Whenever I’m in WVW, I see TONS for rangers (algong with warriors), but I just wanted to know what’s so special about this class? I heard that their damage output is meh, so I just wanted to know.

The same reason why you saw sooooo many thieves before the stealth nerf (revealed)..
No skill needed, spam some buttons, kill the opponent..

The main reason I have shelved my ranger for the time being.. Nothing cool about a class that even a brain dead monkey can play (and yeah, I was (and still am a bit) an avid ranger lover)..

I think the statement that offends people is this “No skill needed, spam some buttons, kill the opponent” followed by the ranger stuff. Doesnt the no skill needed etc statement apply to all the metabuilds? (im not really sure, since i avoid “metabuilds”)

I dont see how you can play another class just because you feel a braindead monkey can play ranger. I mean you can create any class go to a website with the metas and then learn what buttons to mash. Any class can randomly hit buttons and kill an opponent. The thing with rangers is that they are at range and for whatever reason that just freaks people out (same with stealth) so that they just stand there and stare at a wall or w/e people do when they get hit by rapid fire.

There is an event in either straits of devastation or malchors leap that actually spawns 3 champ aboms when the number is high enough. maybe they could add a few more of these type events to keep the zergs under control.

i recently made a ranger named the Master of Wimpers. i might delete him for revenant with the same name.

This should help you.

Guide for WvW map completion

Method 1: (only for active servers)
actively follow the commander around the map as they take things

Method 2: (any server)
transfer to an active server and follow method 1

Method 3: (most popular method for lower tier servers)
Run to objectives on reset night to get exploration quickly (before your server loses things). WvW matchup resets 1 hour and ~5 minutes after the daily reset on Friday night (currently 5:05 PM PST for NA servers)
When the matchup resets, your server has a claim over all the keeps and towers in their Borderland and the keep and 4 towers for your corner in Eternal Battlegrounds.

When reset occurs go to your BL and run like crazy (bring swiftness!) to the 2 souternmost keeps (Bay and Hills) get all the POIs and vistas there. Then move north from them visiting towers, camps, and the garrison. You should have the 3 keeps and all the towers and camps north of Bay/Hills (dont worry if it takes more than 1 week). If your server still has stuff in EB, then go there and pick up your keep, 4 towers and the 2 camps on your side (will likely need more than one week for this and BL). to get the stuff in the south, you have to wait until your color is NOT the same as the BL (go to BLs that are “not your server name borderlands”)(unless you are really fast and can get to that southernmost tower before the enemy gets it). You will need 4 friends. You can activate the commander NPC (seigerazor/siegecrusher) if he is there. He will help you take the tower closest to your spawn. You can also take the 2 camps nearest to your spawn and get the south skill point/vistas.

Stonemist Castle will probably be your biggest issue if your world never takes it. The best way i can see to do it is to follow an enemy zerg into it (be careful they will see you as an easy target). Stealth is your best friend (if youre a mes or thief just equip your stealths and carefully fun around the perimiter picking up the POIs, otherwise bring a freind who can stealth you). You have to follow your enemy through the inner gate as well in order to get the skill point (this should be done after most of them leave).

Tips:
*Be patient, this is a PvP map and it might take some time to do if your server has 0 presence
*Always avoid enemies when you can. Anyone that sees you will tell their 50 “freinds” in map chat and generally try to engage you
*Stealth, speed boosts, and even invulnerability skills are very helpful
*non-peak times can also be helpful if you are against servers where people actually get some sleep

Good Luck with your exploration. If you mention what server you are on, you might find someone here that will help you as well.

Also dont wait until the end to do WvW map completion! it will take more than a few weeks!! You are early enough in your completion that it wont affect you as much, but some people wait on WvW until it is the last thing and are critically annoyed about it.

ive seen several mesmers say “porting [puzzle or difficult jumping objective] for tips, [port location].” it is commonly accepted and completely appropriate to word it that way

*Zerging is not the only way to complete events
*No AOE at copper is a massive farce
*Zerker gear is not the only viable gear

i guess the only questions i have are these:

*Can i que up solo or do i have to form a team beforehand?
*About how long would an average match last?

I am fairly excited about this new map. After reading the article, i keep picturing Skritt with dynamite strapped to their backs running to a gate and blowing up. I have not watched any trailers yet. i should do that at some point.

EDIT: 1 question was answered

In a balanced world you should rarely if ever be able to win a 1v2 (that excludes times when the 2 are completely terrible). If the rangers are focusing you, then you will and should lose. I could honestly rewrite your post as a new topic labeled X class OP and replace the ranger elements with X class specific elements.

“Example (just an example, not how i actually feel about theif): Thief OP

The theif backstab/stealth tactic is OP. I mean, theif uses stealth and i have no idea where he is! It is crazy how a profession can go invisible. Then i get this 8k damage burst. I see him for a second, then he is gone again. I just can’t counter this kind of nonsense and anytime i see 2 of them its GG. Can’t do anything all game because they just appear out of nowhere doing tons of damage and then disappearing again."

You, being a theif, probably see the above as complete nonsense, but there are still many players that feel this way (they are somewhat less vocal on forums, but they still exist). You know what counters backstab/stealth.

Rapid fire has several counters:
*Reflect- probably the best choice, doubt its an option for a theif (i dont play theif)
*LoS/avoid open spaces- Graveyard in foefire is a bad place to be against several zerker rangers
*Block
*Get out of range- yes, RF has a range limit

As others have suggested, play a ranger. You will learn quickly that the zerker spec is not that great in conquest.

Also, i would LOVE to play against 5 rangers, especially if they run the terrible zerker spec. I thought fighting 3 rangers was a great game, I would probably be one happy camper against 5.

Sic em is amazing. i have survived so many theif fights just because of this one skill. In WvW, i consider it a win when i get the theif to run since im normally just trying to get to the zerg. In sPvP you can get some laughs just by using it while you’re group pounds the theif into oblivion. Sic em really is a great skill.

mtpelion.4562:

I understand the desire to quickly get on a map that is about to pay out, but as the guy who works really hard to get to that point no matter what percent the map happens to be on when I get there, you’ll get no sympathy from me.

I think this explains how i feel about this issue in a much nicer sense. At any rate this sounds like an issue for moochers more than an issue for anyone else.

Narkodx.1472:

EDIT – skyhammer is a bad word?

you probably (not sure since it was censored) had ‘bad as’ followed by the ‘s’ in skyhammer, which the censor blocked. I think the censor ignores spaces.

OT, i really like the idea of stronghold and hope it is as good as it is being described.

Invictus.1503:

Patience is a virtue. They’ve actually given a decent amount of information since the announcement. Not as much as we’d love to have, but pretty good schedule. I expect that every week we will get one new topic (if we are lucky, two sometimes). My guess is this:

This week (week of 2/9): Strongholds
Week of 2/16: Guild halls and some teaser on guild events
Week of 2/23: New WvW borderland map
Week of 3/2: Full Revenant reveal
Week of 3/9-3/30: Specialization reveals (two per week maybe)
April: More detail on some of the other options and preparation of release in late April, May, or June.

i really do hope that they do stronghold posts this week.

Also, you forgot the April 1st blog post about squirrels being added to the game. If/when they do that, ill completely add a link to my signature due to the sheer awesomeness of it.

Maybe they’ll add a spoon deposit box in the GH that keeps track of the spoons (siege commander, Bone, and Fractal) that are sold to it by the guild. They could increase how much it buys the spoons as the number sold to it increases. for example, your guild has sold 1000 bone spoons to the box, so now it will buy bone spoons for 20 silver.

Karka slayer is also lacking on the list. I hope they do add them at some point.

invisible bag first followed by crafting bag, equipment box and oiled leather pack.

crafting bag takes mats, oiled pack takes junk, and equipment box takes weapons/armor (probably want more than one of these). its not perfect, but might just do what you are wanting. i think invis bags can be made to ignore the compact function (although im not sure if compact will still throw stuff in there if its first). havent experimented with it. Also, this solution doesnt account for things like bandit crests or living story stuff or even champ bags, but it might be your best option

fixed that for ya

Scrolls of Knowledge will still give SP. Tomes will likely give skill points to level 80s (rather than a level). WvW will not have the mastery bar either, so you might be able to get skill points from leveling there.

I’ll probably dabble in all of them even fractals despite the fact that i never really go in there. most likely, ill pick some combat/exploration stuff first followed by a legendary long bow (old or new, w/e i like more)

im betting they will function the same as skill point scrolls for level 80 characters (only level up pre 80 characters)

Scrolls will probably also remain. Not to mention WvW leveling will probably still be there as well, since you cant level masteries there

first 2 sentences after “How do i get masteries?”

The ability to train Masteries is unlocked at level 80 for all players that own Heart of Thorns. When this ability is unlocked, your character’s experience bar will change to become a Mastery training bar while in PvE zones

from that i gather 2 things:
1. masteries are only for people with HoT
2. WvW will not be included and will likely still award SP at level up (same for people w/o HoT)

i wonder if these “more powerful infusions,” unlocked via the fractal masteries, are masterwork infusions.

Reanne.5462:

I just wanna know, if the masteries require map completion, will that be retroactive, or only apply to map completion of the new map.

they said some things required will have already been completed by existing players and points will be awarded to players that have done these things already. Though that doesnt answer if existing map completion is in there. This is located about halfway down the article in the paragraph directly above the “What can i get from masteries?” title

tomes will probably just give a skill point to a level 80 character like scrolls do. Tomes would still need to be in game though since they can give a level to a non-80 character.

Rangers do quite well in PvE. With the right build you can solo champs (solo would include your pet), although this is probably true for most professions. The pet AI has a few issues, but they do tank well if you have a tanky pet (like drakes). I have never had many problems in PvE with my ranger.

In PvP, rangers have a very bad reputation thanks to a certain cheese build. I dont PvP very often so i tend to have a difficult time (likely a skill issue rather than a ranger issue)

In WvW, rangers are great. You can fire arrows from on top of walls. With the right traits, you can even capture a camp on your own. Pets die almost instantly in zerg fights though.

I dont run dungeons very often, so i cant say with certainty. In general i think people require rangers to have Frost Spirit skill and Spotter trait equipped for dungeons.

Rangers don’t get the respect that they should in this game by a moderate population of the player base. If you are a casual gamer who will group up with anyone, then ranger will probably be just fine for you. If you are a hardcore, run with elite groups kind of player, then you probably wont like your experience with ranger since most groups you would group with will likely just kick you from the party.

IIRC devs have stated to report it as botting.

May 12th 2015. calling it now

I run several pieces of soldier gear on my ranger in WvW. I get a good laugh every time an enemy tries to take me down thinking im a zerker target.

In PvE i run that as well. I tend to survive quite well and can still take down enemies fairly decently. I have some Assassin gear as well as some zerker that i have mixed in. I find the damage to be acceptable, but i know that the zerker only groups would still not like me so i avoid them (i avoid dungeons as well).

What it all boils down to is this: Do you like your build how it is now or do you want to do damage quicker? Also keep in mind that the developeres are developing more content to try to break the “zerker meta” so zerker may not always be as optimal as it is now.

Troll Update Notes:

Balance changes:

Warrior:
-All sound effects for shouts have had their volume increased by 200%

Elementalist:
-By decree of Elen Kiel, all elementalists are banned from using daggers on the second tuesday of every month.

Ranger:
-Rapid Fire: Damage increased by 25%
-Point Blank Shot: range increased to 1200. Knockback distance increased to 5000. Ignores all stability, including Defiant and Determined
-Sic Em: Pet now chases target relentlessly. Pet ignores all stealth/walls/damage/orders/physical boundaries

Mesmer:
-Number of clones allowed increased to 5

Thief:
-All stealth abilities have a chance to add this buff: Permastealth- cannot be targeted by anything. Will not be removed until thief dies or rezones.

Engineer:
-Turrets have 25% more armor and HP

Guardians:
-Only take damage from critical hits

Necromancers:
-Regain Death Shroud 50% faster
-Immune to bleeding and fear

Dungeons:
-Any player entering a dungeon with full beserker gear will have their gear transformed to nomad gear. Each time they kill an enemy, there is a 5% chance that 1 piece of gear will change back to beserker gear.
-All enemies can inflict cripple.

WvW:
-Outmanned- added the following effects: +20,000 HP, +50% Critical Hit chance, +500 Power, +50% Condition Duration, +500 Condition Damage

PvP:
-Dishonored- any player with dishonored may now que up for a game. Upon entering a game, they will recieve 4 ally NPCs. 1 will AFK, 1 will disappear (ALT+F4), 1 will run in and die to anything, and 1 will shout random stuff in map chat.

Event Changes:
-Frostgorge Sound: all events have a chance to spawn 3 Champion Abominations when scaled up too high.

Troll dailies:
*Daily Giant Slayer- Kill 10 giants
*Daily LFG Spam- Say LFG in map chat 500 times
*Daily Cliff Jumper- take 10,000,000 damage from a fall
*Daily Deaths- Die 300 times
*Daily Syncronizer- Do 5 critical hits in a row that do the exact same damage to the same target.

rotate screen by either 90, 180, 270, or 360(unchanged) degrees

all NPCs change their appearance to dragon minions

insane lorebreaking events (similar to the above mixed bosses suggestion) such as Karka invasion of maguuma wastes or mordrem in the shiverpeaks

Introduction of a legendary spork (random trophy item)

new world boss: Dracorabbit- has insane AOE range on all attacks and always 1HKO all enemies (no downed state). Has 1 HP The only way to win is to use cheap tactics. Always awards a white. Only way to get credit for event is to either do preevents, get slaughtered by it 5 times, or deliver the deathblow (only hit).

Have “ERROR: Division by 0 is not possible” appear on a players screen every time they use a WP. Every 50 times they use a WP have it show “TERMINATING” on the screen in red letters as large as it can be and still be read

continue doing dailies for AP, gathering T6 mats for either crafting legendaries or selling for profit, WvW, PvP, finish luminescent armor if you havent yet the usual kind of stuff. For all we know they could have a big event planned and might release it soon.

Spoon Case- allows you to sell your spoons (carved, fractal, WvW). The case will keep up with the number sold and will tell how many it contains. Basicly a vanity item that also buys spoons. It could even give more coins after it hits certain milestones (EX at 1000 carved bone spoons it could give 20 silver per CBS instead of the usual 10)

they are all on BL maps. worm is north of bay between the fort and the camp (the back way), harpy is north of the eastern spawn (near lowlands camp), and the warg is west of the southern middle camp IIRC (havent seen it in a long time)

not sure how quickly they spawn, but if that is in the daily then they will likely be dead when you want to find them, thats how my luck goes anyway. hope that helps
some

EDIT: they all also have an event for them so you know if they are there or not

if a tournament is coming up, then there should be a point reset coming as well since the past 3 have all had an ability point reset prior to them.

ill leave this here, hope it helps somewhat (might not if your server isnt changing colors). Reset usually happens an hour and ~5 mins after the dailies reset for saturday (Friday night in NA)

Guide for WvW map completion

Method 1: (only for active servers)
actively follow the commander around the map as they take things

Method 2: (any server)
transfer to an active server and follow method 1

Method 3: (most popular method for lower tier servers)
Run to objectives on reset night to get exploration quickly (before your server loses things). WvW matchup resets 1 hour and ~5 minutes after the daily reset on Friday night (currently 5:05 PM PST)
When the matchup resets, your server has a claim over all the keeps and towers in their Borderland and the keep and 4 towers for your corner in Eternal Battlegrounds.

When reset occurs go to your BL and run like crazy (bring swiftness!) to the 2 souternmost keeps (Bay and Hills) get all the POIs and vistas there. Then move north from them visiting towers, camps, and the garrison. You should have the 3 keeps and all the towers and camps north of Bay/Hills (dont worry if it takes more than 1 week). If your server still has stuff in EB, then go there and pick up your keep, 4 towers and the 2 camps on your side (will likely need more than one week for this and BL). to get the stuff in the south, you have to wait until your color is NOT the same as the BL (go to BLs that are “not your server name borderlands”)(unless you are really fast and can get to that southernmost tower before the enemy gets it). You will need 4 friends. You can activate the commander NPC (seigerazor/siegecrusher) if he is there. He will help you take the tower closest to your spawn. You can also take the 2 camps nearest to your spawn and get the south skill point/vistas.

Stonemist Castle will probably be your biggest issue if your world never takes it. The best way i can see to do it is to follow an enemy zerg into it (be careful they will see you as an easy target). Stealth is your best friend (if youre a mes or thief just equip your stealths and carefully fun around the perimiter picking up the POIs, otherwise bring a freind who can stealth you). You have to follow your enemy through the inner gate as well in order to get the skill point (this should be done after most of them leave).

Tips:
*Be patient, this is a PvP map and it might take some time to do if your server has 0 presence
*Always avoid enemies when you can. Anyone that sees you will tell their 50 “freinds” in map chat and generally try to engage you
*Stealth, speed boosts, and even invulnerability skills are very helpful
*non-peak times can also be helpful if you are against servers where people actually get some sleep

Good Luck with your exploration

i think im currently floating at 90/145 or something like that. copper salvage o matic is amazingly helpful, since i wont get rid of anything. I have become quite proficient at inventory management since i tend to just salvage everything.

the question then becomes, are land spears a different weapon than water spears?

ill probably just buy a character slot the next time they go on sale. im sure there will be one before the expansion goes live. If the expansion does come with a slot or 2 then ill just have another slot for characters